http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:59:01 -0700 (PDT), Phil
wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

They should look closer to home for the real reasons the lights are going out.

http://www.sse.com/EnergyPolicy/RenewableEnergy/Wind/

"SSE currently owns 740MW of onshore wind capacity in the UK and Ireland, and
has 695MW in construction, including 350MW at our Clyde wind farm in southern
Scotland, which is expected to cost £500million when it is due to be
commissioned in 2012. By 2020, SSE aims to have over 3GW of onshore wind in
operation."

"Offshore wind, although more expensive than onshore wind is attractive due to
the strong and consistent wind speeds found out at sea, mitigating issues with
intermittency. In 2009 the UK became the leader in offshore wind capacity, a
lead expected to increase. SSE is looking to be a market leader in this sector,
beginning with the construction of Greater Gabbard, a joint venture with RWE
nPower, which at over 500MW will is expected to be the largest offshore wind
farm in the World when commissioned in 2012."


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On Mar 21, 1:59*pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

On 21/03/13 15:51, harry wrote:
On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

A house without light and internet is not worth living in.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/03/13 15:51, harry wrote:
On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

A house without light and internet is not worth living in.

The greenies are going to take us back to the Dark Ages, literally,
which is what they think they want. But how they'll squeal when the
lights go out.

Bill

Does this mean then that if you set up anice sailing bot in behind the
windfarm, it will be becalmed?

Brian

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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:59:01 -0700 (PDT), Phil

wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

They should look closer to home for the real reasons the lights are going
out.

http://www.sse.com/EnergyPolicy/RenewableEnergy/Wind/

"SSE currently owns 740MW of onshore wind capacity in the UK and Ireland,
and
has 695MW in construction, including 350MW at our Clyde wind farm in
southern
Scotland, which is expected to cost £500million when it is due to be
commissioned in 2012. By 2020, SSE aims to have over 3GW of onshore wind
in
operation."

"Offshore wind, although more expensive than onshore wind is attractive
due to
the strong and consistent wind speeds found out at sea, mitigating issues
with
intermittency. In 2009 the UK became the leader in offshore wind
capacity, a
lead expected to increase. SSE is looking to be a market leader in this
sector,
beginning with the construction of Greater Gabbard, a joint venture with
RWE
nPower, which at over 500MW will is expected to be the largest offshore
wind
farm in the World when commissioned in 2012."


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Yes I have no gas whatsoever here. I do trust that the idiots keep a few
coal stations mothballed and ready to go for those times when existing
conditions will be outside the parameters of the system, as I heard some
idiot say the other day.
Brian

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On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

Front page of Friday's Times apparently says we have only 2 days
stock of Gas at the moment, versus the 15 days we normally have...

And we're just heading into several more days of snow across the
country.

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On Mar 21, 1:59*pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

I'm almost looking forward to it!

I've not had a decent power cut since installing the 7KVA genny a few
years ago. It has had more test hours on it than real usage hours.


Probably a comment best for other news groups, but if it happens it will
be nice to be able to listen on HF without all the local PLT/PLA QRM
too. :-)

--
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En el artículo , Andrew Gabriel
escribió:

Front page of Friday's Times apparently says we have only 2 days
stock of Gas at the moment, versus the 15 days we normally have...

The Russians must be laughing all the way to the bank. They're about to
snap up Cyprus for a song, with the exploration and drilling rights, and
now they can rip us off on gas supply.

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On Friday 22 March 2013 00:02 Andrew Gabriel wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Front page of Friday's Times apparently says we have only 2 days
stock of Gas at the moment, versus the 15 days we normally have...

And we're just heading into several more days of snow across the
country.


I have 3 bags of coal left...

Some blackouts, short but random, would do well to wake the population up to
the state we're in. I think the givernment understand, internally, well
enough - but wait until the first new nuke is being built for the protests.


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On Mar 21, 6:18*pm, "Brian Gaff" wrote:
Yes I have no gas whatsoever here. I do trust that the idiots keep a few
coal stations mothballed and ready to go for those times when existing
conditions will be outside the parameters of the system, as I heard some
idiot say the other day.
*Brian

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On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

It's not easy/cheap to "mothball" a power station.

The owners are eager to shut them down, they will save money. If
there are any power cuts, they can blame the government.

"Greenies" have been predicting this situation for decades.
The main reason we are in it is down to inaction by the gov. and the
privatisation of our energy services.

Probably next Winter will be crunch time. You need to prepare for it.

Make sure you have alternative heating arrangements and before Winter,
lay some essentials in, (food fuel).

This Summer you need to think about getting any fireplaces you might
have working. Ideally get a stove.

On Mar 22, 12:15*am, Bill wrote:
In message
,
harry writes

On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

I'm almost looking forward to it!

I've not had a decent power cut since installing the 7KVA genny a few
years ago. *It has had more test hours on it than real usage hours.

Probably a comment best for other news groups, but if it happens it will
be nice to be able to listen on HF without all the local PLT/PLA QRM
too. :-)

--
Bill

Not actually that useful in a prolonged power cut.

In any event. if your lights are on and everyone elses are off, you
will become a hate figure.

Even if you have solar PV you become a hate figure to the jealous,
idle, stupid and incompetant.

On Mar 22, 8:05*am, Tim Watts wrote:
On Friday 22 March 2013 00:02 Andrew Gabriel wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Front page of Friday's Times apparently says we have only 2 days
stock of Gas at the moment, versus the 15 days we normally have...

And we're just heading into several more days of snow across the
country.

I have 3 bags of coal left...

I have a four years worth of wood (I don't need much).
But Winter's nearly over. Hopefully.

Everybody needs to be taking precautions for next Winter.
There could be panic buying of essentials by the fools that are
unprepared.
So the time to be thinking about it all is now.

On Mar 21, 5:11*pm, Bill Wright wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/03/13 15:51, harry wrote:
On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

A house without light and internet is not worth living in.

The greenies are going to take us back to the Dark Ages, literally,
which is what they think they want. But how they'll squeal when the
lights go out.

Bill

I see you are one of the half wits. The government is going to take us
back to the dark ages.
"Greenies" have been warning for years about this.
Only now you are taking notice.

The greenies won't be squealing, most are prepared.
You might be squealing, but you're a halfwit arncha?

On Mar 21, 4:19*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 21/03/13 15:51, harry wrote: On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

A house without light and internet is not worth living in.



You really are a sad ******* aren't you?

On Friday 22 March 2013 08:22 harry wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Mar 21, 6:18 pm, "Brian Gaff" wrote:
Yes I have no gas whatsoever here. I do trust that the idiots keep a few
coal stations mothballed and ready to go for those times when existing
conditions will be outside the parameters of the system, as I heard some
idiot say the other day.
Brian

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On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

It's not easy/cheap to "mothball" a power station.

The owners are eager to shut them down, they will save money. If
there are any power cuts, they can blame the government.

"Greenies" have been predicting this situation for decades.
The main reason we are in it is down to inaction by the gov. and the
privatisation of our energy services.

Probably next Winter will be crunch time. You need to prepare for it.

Make sure you have alternative heating arrangements and before Winter,
lay some essentials in, (food fuel).

This Summer you need to think about getting any fireplaces you might
have working. Ideally get a stove.

So everyone goes back to (ineffecient) local coal/wood burners.

That was truely a victory for the greens, and the weak previos governments
who were afraid of them...

Smog here we come.
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On Friday 22 March 2013 08:36 harry wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Mar 21, 4:19 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 21/03/13 15:51, harry wrote: On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

A house without light and internet is not worth living in.



You really are a sad ******* aren't you?

Nope, because I feel the same way.

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On Friday 22 March 2013 08:36 harry wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Mar 21, 5:11 pm, Bill Wright wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/03/13 15:51, harry wrote:
On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

A house without light and internet is not worth living in.

The greenies are going to take us back to the Dark Ages, literally,
which is what they think they want. But how they'll squeal when the
lights go out.

Bill

I see you are one of the half wits. The government is going to take us
back to the dark ages.
"Greenies" have been warning for years about this.
Only now you are taking notice.

The greenies won't be squealing, most are prepared.
You might be squealing, but you're a halfwit arncha?

The greenies are the ones who wanted a load of **** usless windmills and PV
systems installed, instead of looking towards innovative nuclear
development.

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On Friday 22 March 2013 08:27 harry wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Mar 22, 12:15 am, Bill wrote:
In message
,
harry writes

On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

I'm almost looking forward to it!

I've not had a decent power cut since installing the 7KVA genny a few
years ago. It has had more test hours on it than real usage hours.

Probably a comment best for other news groups, but if it happens it will
be nice to be able to listen on HF without all the local PLT/PLA QRM
too. :-)

--
Bill

Not actually that useful in a prolonged power cut.

In any event. if your lights are on and everyone elses are off, you
will become a hate figure.

Even if you have solar PV you become a hate figure to the jealous,
idle, stupid and incompetant.

Your PV is not going to work once the mains goes off.
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On 21/03/2013 18:16, Brian Gaff wrote:
Does this mean then that if you set up anice sailing bot in behind the
windfarm, it will be becalmed?

No, but the wind will be reduced. There's a limit to how much power you
can take out of the wind before you stop it completely and new wind with
extra energy can't get to you. It has a name, but I forget it.

Andy

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:47:43 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On Friday 22 March 2013 08:27 harry wrote in uk.d-i-y:


Not actually that useful in a prolonged power cut.

In any event. if your lights are on and everyone elses are off, you
will become a hate figure.

Even if you have solar PV you become a hate figure to the jealous,
idle, stupid and incompetant.

Your PV is not going to work once the mains goes off.

Especially when the locals come round and see the roof structure as a legitimate
source of firewood.

Judgment day for solar PV parasites is coming, chuck another Green on the fire.

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On 22/03/13 08:27, harry wrote:
On Mar 22, 12:15 am, Bill wrote:
In message
,
harry writes

On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

I'm almost looking forward to it!

I've not had a decent power cut since installing the 7KVA genny a few
years ago. It has had more test hours on it than real usage hours.

Probably a comment best for other news groups, but if it happens it will
be nice to be able to listen on HF without all the local PLT/PLA QRM
too. :-)

--
Bill

Not actually that useful in a prolonged power cut.

In any event. if your lights are on and everyone elses are off, you
will become a hate figure.

Even if you have solar PV you become a hate figure to the jealous,
idle, stupid and incompetant.

like those who can't even spell incompetent you mean?

Explain to me how solar PV will keep your lights on after dark?

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On 22/03/13 09:15, Andy Champ wrote:
On 21/03/2013 18:16, Brian Gaff wrote:
Does this mean then that if you set up anice sailing bot in behind the
windfarm, it will be becalmed?

No, but the wind will be reduced. There's a limit to how much power you
can take out of the wind before you stop it completely and new wind with
extra energy can't get to you. It has a name, but I forget it.

Andy

just watch the tactics in yacht racing. the expression 'taking the wind
out of his sails' wasn't invented for no reason..

There is a scientific paper somewhere about the power reduction on
windmills placed too close together.

And its the reason why the accepted average power density of a windfarm
is only 1-2W/sq.m.



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diminishing number of producers.

On 22/03/13 10:27, The Other Mike wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:47:43 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On Friday 22 March 2013 08:27 harry wrote in uk.d-i-y:


Not actually that useful in a prolonged power cut.

In any event. if your lights are on and everyone elses are off, you
will become a hate figure.

Even if you have solar PV you become a hate figure to the jealous,
idle, stupid and incompetant.

Your PV is not going to work once the mains goes off.

Especially when the locals come round and see the roof structure as a legitimate
source of firewood.

Judgment day for solar PV parasites is coming, chuck another Green on the fire.

+1


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members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On Mar 22, 8:44*am, Tim Watts wrote:
On Friday 22 March 2013 08:22 harry wrote in uk.d-i-y:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

It's not easy/cheap to "mothball" a power station.

The owners are eager to shut them down, they will save money. *If
there are any power cuts, they can blame the government.

"Greenies" have been predicting this situation for decades.
The main reason we are in it is down to inaction by the gov. and the
privatisation of our energy services.

Probably next Winter will be crunch time. You need to prepare for it.

Make sure you have alternative heating arrangements and before Winter,
lay some *essentials in, (food *fuel).

This Summer you need to think about getting any fireplaces you might
have working. Ideally get a stove.

So everyone goes back to (ineffecient) local coal/wood burners.

You only use it if you have to.
You have your own fuel source to hand. No-one can cut it off dopey.

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:05:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Explain to me how solar PV will keep your lights on after dark?

And during a power cut. Don't the invertors shut down without mains to
prevent backfeeding the grid? From both the safety of any line workers
and to protect the invertor from trying to power the entire
neighbourhood.

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On Friday 22 March 2013 08:27 harry wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Mar 22, 12:15 am, Bill wrote:
In message
,
harry writes

On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

I'm almost looking forward to it!

I've not had a decent power cut since installing the 7KVA genny a few
years ago. It has had more test hours on it than real usage hours.

Probably a comment best for other news groups, but if it happens it will
be nice to be able to listen on HF without all the local PLT/PLA QRM
too. :-)

--
Bill

Not actually that useful in a prolonged power cut.

In any event. if your lights are on and everyone elses are off, you
will become a hate figure.

Even if you have solar PV you become a hate figure to the jealous,
idle, stupid and incompetant.

Your PV is not going to work once the mains goes off.
--
True but I can run my home with no electricity.
The PV is to save on my electric bills and get my stolen money back.

You have six months to get yourself a wood/coal burning stove (before next
Winter). Get one you can cook on too.
Get yourself a pile of wood in.

Stop whinging. You have had fair warning.
Get off your arse.

On Mar 22, 12:13*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:05:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Explain to me how solar PV will keep your lights on after dark?

And during a power cut. Don't the invertors shut down without mains to
prevent backfeeding the grid? From both the safety of any line workers
and to protect the invertor from trying to power the entire
neighbourhood.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Quite right. But see previous post.
Stand alone invertors are available.

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Front page of Friday's Times apparently says we have only 2 days
stock of Gas at the moment, versus the 15 days we normally have...

And we're just heading into several more days of snow across the
country.


I haven't seen a gasometer/gas holder with any significant stored gas for
ages. Do they get used at all these days or just for "bare minimum"
storage?

Tim

On Friday 22 March 2013 12:13 Dave Liquorice wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:05:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Explain to me how solar PV will keep your lights on after dark?

And during a power cut. Don't the invertors shut down without mains to
prevent backfeeding the grid? From both the safety of any line workers
and to protect the invertor from trying to power the entire
neighbourhood.


Yes. They have to by design.

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On Friday 22 March 2013 13:39 Jethro_uk wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:50:57 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Front page of Friday's Times apparently says we have only 2 days stock
of Gas at the moment, versus the 15 days we normally have...

And we're just heading into several more days of snow across the
country.


I haven't seen a gasometer/gas holder with any significant stored gas
for ages. Do they get used at all these days or just for "bare minimum"
storage?

Tim

I thought they were designed more to keep the grid at a constant
pressure ? They were busy dismantling them in the 90s - Both South Harrow
and Southall went - they used to have massive letters painted on them,
pointing to Northolt and Heathrow airports respectively.

To be honest, given the bomb-happy nature of every disgruntled citizen
nowadays, I'm rather glad there isn't a huge store of flammable gas[1] in
densely populated areas.

[1]I vaguely recall it would be unlikely to "explode" as we know it.

I thought most gas storage was done by pressurising the UK main "grid" gas
lines (not the street supply obviously).


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On Mar 22, 2:22*pm, Huge wrote:
On 2013-03-22, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:05:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Explain to me how solar PV will keep your lights on after dark?

And during a power cut. Don't the invertors shut down without mains to
prevent backfeeding the grid?

Yes.

Some of them. But standalone ones are available.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_tie_inverter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-alone_inverter

In article , Tim Watts
wrote:
On Friday 22 March 2013 13:39 Jethro_uk wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:50:57 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Front page of Friday's Times apparently says we have only 2 days
stock of Gas at the moment, versus the 15 days we normally have...

And we're just heading into several more days of snow across the
country.


I haven't seen a gasometer/gas holder with any significant stored gas
for ages. Do they get used at all these days or just for "bare
minimum" storage?

Tim

I thought they were designed more to keep the grid at a constant
pressure ? They were busy dismantling them in the 90s - Both South
Harrow and Southall went - they used to have massive letters painted on
them, pointing to Northolt and Heathrow airports respectively.

To be honest, given the bomb-happy nature of every disgruntled citizen
nowadays, I'm rather glad there isn't a huge store of flammable gas[1]
in densely populated areas.

[1]I vaguely recall it would be unlikely to "explode" as we know it.

I thought most gas storage was done by pressurising the UK main "grid"
gas lines (not the street supply obviously).

There are underground "holes" which are used for storage. One near here
had the gas taken out of it a few years ago, now they want to fill it again
as "storage".

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In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
Front page of Friday's Times apparently says we have only 2 days
stock of Gas at the moment, versus the 15 days we normally have...

And we're just heading into several more days of snow across the
country.

Gas pipeline from Zeebrugge broke down today, and UK wholesale gas
prices instantly shot up 50%.

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,
harry writes
On Mar 22, 12:15*am, Bill wrote:
In message
,
harry writes

On Mar 21, 1:59 pm, Phil wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21878059

You need to make sure you can manage in your house without
electricity.
Most people's heating/cooking dependson it.

I'm almost looking forward to it!

I've not had a decent power cut since installing the 7KVA genny a few
years ago. *It has had more test hours on it than real usage hours.

Probably a comment best for other news groups, but if it happens it will
be nice to be able to listen on HF without all the local PLT/PLA QRM
too. :-)

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Bill

Not actually that useful in a prolonged power cut.

In any event. if your lights are on and everyone elses are off, you
will become a hate figure.

Already been there!
I've had emergency lighting around the house for the last 10 years or
so. During one power cut I had a neighbour confused, "there can't be a
power cut because your lights are still on"

As he is next door we now have an agreement that if it becomes a
prolonged power outage he can run an extension lead over the fence to me
and I can have some of his rather large supply of red diesel. So we
will both be happy :-)



Even if you have solar PV you become a hate figure to the jealous,
idle, stupid and incompetant.

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-septembe
r.org, Tim+ writes
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Front page of Friday's Times apparently says we have only 2 days
stock of Gas at the moment, versus the 15 days we normally have...

And we're just heading into several more days of snow across the
country.


I haven't seen a gasometer/gas holder with any significant stored gas for
ages. Do they get used at all these days or just for "bare minimum"
storage?

They jack up the pressure in the distribution pipes but don't ask me for
details.

I tried to get a *storage payment* in addition to the transmission one
when they put a 48" pipe across our farmland. Got a very frosty
response!

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:05:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Explain to me how solar PV will keep your lights on after dark?

The Spanish seem to do that without a problem...


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On Mar 22, 4:25*pm, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:16:21 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
On Friday 22 March 2013 13:39 Jethro_uk wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:50:57 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Front page of Friday's Times apparently says we have only 2 days
stock of Gas at the moment, versus the 15 days we normally have...

And we're just heading into several more days of snow across the
country.

I haven't seen a gasometer/gas holder with any significant stored gas
for ages. *Do they get used at all these days or just for "bare
minimum" storage?

Tim

I thought they were designed more to keep the grid at a constant
pressure ? They were busy dismantling them in the 90s - Both South
Harrow and Southall went - they used to have massive letters painted on
them, pointing to Northolt and Heathrow airports respectively.

To be honest, given the bomb-happy nature of every disgruntled citizen
nowadays, I'm rather glad there isn't a huge store of flammable gas[1]
in densely populated areas.

[1]I vaguely recall it would be unlikely to "explode" as we know it.

I thought most gas storage was done by pressurising the UK main "grid"
gas lines (not the street supply obviously).

Linepack. They pump the grid up to 75Bar overnight, and let it "bleed
out" during the day (gas tends to be cheaper after 6pm). Many years ago I
worked on the program which took all the individual contracts (negotiated
individually - there were nearly 100) with the gas companies and had
lower and upper limits, plus cost bands, plus rig shutdown dates, and
weighed the supply against the demand (produced by another program, feed
with telex data from the Met Office) and generated a list of orders which
minimised compressor usage (most grid compressors are RB211s that can use
enough gas in a day to supply a small town).

But that's the national high pressure grid. Local pipes won't have
anything near that pressure - presumably there's a regulator where the
offtake plugs into the main grid.

The other method of storage was LNG - but apparently it took a week to
liquify a days worth of gas (or something like that). However there was
an LNG port on Canvey Island where imported gas (in those days from
Algeria) could be bought into the grid. There may have been another near
Liverpool ... BICBW. However I know the Canvey site got sold off.

There is a massive gas store at Milford Haven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_LNG_terminal#LNG

On 23/03/13 07:13, harry wrote:


There is a massive gas store at Milford Haven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_LNG_terminal#LNG


yep. and if that ever went up it would make fukushima look like a wet
fart compared to a nuclear bomb.

it was LNG that took out most of a town years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevela..._Gas_explosion

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