How do they do it? The news picture looked like they were burning an old
car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke. How will they make the
white smoke? Stage smoke machine or something more traditional? ;-)

Tim

On 12/03/2013 20:46, Tim+ wrote:
How do they do it? The news picture looked like they were burning an old
car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke. How will they make the
white smoke? Stage smoke machine or something more traditional? ;-)

Tim

Water on the ballot papers.

--
Rod

Tim+ wrote

How do they do it?

Our equivalent of your BBC claims its done with whats added
to the ballot papers when they are burnt. Sounds plausible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_c...#Post-scrutiny

The news picture looked like they were burning an
old car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke.

Those silly old farts haven't even accepted
cars doctrinally, let alone old car tyres.

How will they make the white smoke?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_c...#Post-scrutiny

Stage smoke machine or something more traditional? ;-)

Nar, they gave up on the traditional when they ended
up noticing that is doesnt actually work very well at all.

According to one news report today, the last time this whole shindig took
place the eventual white smoke looked identical to the foregoing black
variety; someone had to come out and tell the waiting crowds that the
someone had actually got the job. "But this time," said the reporter,
"they've apparently got a new burner and the smoke really will be white".

On 12/03/2013 20:46, Tim+ wrote:

How do they do it? The news picture looked like they were burning an old
car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke. How will they make the
white smoke? Stage smoke machine or something more traditional? ;-)

Tim

Drain tester pyrotechnics at an educated guess.

Waxolene dyes are the traditional colour choice for aircraft display
teams, but I expect the Vatican uses something far more medieval.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lue-faced.html

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Regards,
Martin Brown

En el artículo 1809615727384813859.136737timdownie2003-nospampleaseyaho
, Tim+ timdownie2003@nospampleaseyah
oo.co.uk escribió:

How do they do it?

Who cares? Bunch of out-of-touch, irrelevant prejudiced old farts
voting for their chief out-of-touch, irrelevant prejudiced old fart.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

"Bert Coules" wrote:
According to one news report today, the last time this whole shindig took
place the eventual white smoke looked identical to the foregoing black
variety; someone had to come out and tell the waiting crowds that the
someone had actually got the job. "But this time," said the reporter,
"they've apparently got a new burner and the smoke really will be white".

I vaguely recall the ambiguity in the past. That's why I suspect a stage
smoke machine this time. ;-)

Tim

In article , Mike Tomlinson
writes
En el artículo 1809615727384813859.136737timdownie2003-nospampleaseyaho
, Tim+ timdownie2003@nospampleaseyah
oo.co.uk escribió:

How do they do it?

Who cares? Bunch of out-of-touch, irrelevant prejudiced old farts
voting for their chief out-of-touch, irrelevant prejudiced old fart.

Indeed, 'tis all the devil's work:

"Jack look up (Look Up)
I can black smoke in the sky (Smoke in the sky)
Just look up there's Brimstone & Fire (Everything was destroyed in
seconds)"
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

On 12/03/2013 20:46, Tim+ wrote:
How do they do it? The news picture looked like they were burning an old
car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke. How will they make the
white smoke? Stage smoke machine or something more traditional? ;-)

It used to be by adding wet straw to the ballot paper fire, so the white
smoke was actually steam.

Colin Bignell

Tim asked:

How do they do it?

I should have realised this earlier: for white smoke they burn a white
heretic, and for black smoke...

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
En el artículo 1809615727384813859.136737timdownie2003-nospampleaseyaho
, Tim+ timdownie2003@nospampleaseyah
oo.co.uk escribió:

How do they do it?

Who cares? Bunch of out-of-touch, irrelevant prejudiced old farts
voting for their chief out-of-touch, irrelevant prejudiced old fart.

And also contributing towards many deaths.
I've never seen such ******** in all my life.
Why do they have such a following?
Looks like they do bloody well on the collection plate.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:42:14 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:46:25 +0000, Tim+
wrote:

How do they do it? The news picture looked like they were burning an old
car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke. How will they make the
white smoke? Stage smoke machine or something more traditional? ;-)

Tim
A news item on the beeb earlier this evening showed two small
cylindrical stoves, rather like the old fashioned tortoise stoves,
connected to a temporarily erected chimney supported by scaffolding,
the implication being one stove for white smoke, the other for black.
Hopefully Hetas approved, be a Cardinal sin otherwise.


G.Harman

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 21:44:08 +0000, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

En el artículo 1809615727384813859.136737timdownie2003-nospampleaseyaho
, Tim+ timdownie2003@nospampleaseyah
oo.co.uk escribió:

How do they do it?

Who cares? Bunch of out-of-touch, irrelevant prejudiced old farts
voting for their chief out-of-touch, irrelevant prejudiced old fart.

What's the relevance of that to black and white smoke?

--
Frank Erskine

Martin Brown wrote:
On 12/03/2013 20:46, Tim+ wrote:

How do they do it? The news picture looked like they were burning
an old car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke. How will
they make the white smoke? Stage smoke machine or something more
traditional? ;-) Tim

Drain tester pyrotechnics at an educated guess.

Waxolene dyes are the traditional colour choice for aircraft display
teams, but I expect the Vatican uses something far more medieval.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lue-faced.html

There is something in that article that seems to say that the Red Arrows are
running on Red Diesel...

--
Adam

On 12/03/2013 22:42, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:46:25 +0000, Tim+
wrote:

How do they do it? The news picture looked like they were burning an old
car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke. How will they make the
white smoke? Stage smoke machine or something more traditional? ;-)

Tim
A news item on the beeb earlier this evening showed two small
cylindrical stoves, rather like the old fashioned tortoise stoves,
connected to a temporarily erected chimney supported by scaffolding,
the implication being one stove for white smoke, the other for black.
No idea how they make the smoke the correct colour though. I was once
told that smoke screens laid down by warships in WW2 were made by
injecting titanium tetrachloride into the smoke stack, where it
reacted with the steam to produce an aerosol of titanium dioxide and
hydrochloric acid; very white if a little unpleasant.

Burning phosphorous is simple and makes a pretty good white smoke
although it is more than a little unpleasant to handle and the smoke is
toxic and corrosive. But since they only need to do it infrequently.

Lets hope they pick one that lasts a bit longer since there are some who
believe that this will be the last Pope ever.... TEOTW is nigh!

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Actually, I'd love to see a joker produce some other colour of smoke to
lighten up this otherwise completely irrelevant and boring appointment
process. Not my words, but those of a Catholic friend of mine who feels the
old guy is a total waste of Oxygen in any case!

Brian

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"Tim+" wrote in message
...
How do they do it? The news picture looked like they were burning an old
car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke. How will they make the
white smoke? Stage smoke machine or something more traditional? ;-)

Tim

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:46:25 +0000, Tim+
wrote:

How do they do it? The news picture looked like they were burning an old
car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke. How will they make the
white smoke? Stage smoke machine or something more traditional? ;-)

Something more traditional. An article says:
Black is potassium perchlorate, anthracene, and sulphur.
White ist potassium chlorate, lactose and rosin.



Thomas Prufer

Owain wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:31 am, "Brian Gaff" wrote:
Actually, I'd love to see a joker produce some other colour of
smoke ...

Orange would be popular in some areas ...

:-)


--
Adam

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:42:14 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

A news item on the beeb earlier this evening showed two small
cylindrical stoves, rather like the old fashioned tortoise stoves,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21769556

See the side bar about half way down. One to burn the papers one to make
the appropiate smoke. Smoke making materials listed similar but not the
same as prviously posted.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Thomas Prufer wrote:

Tim+ wrote:

How do they do it?

An article says:
Black is potassium perchlorate, anthracene, and sulphur.
White ist potassium chlorate, lactose and rosin.

That sounds close to what some or other Vatican spokesman said a few
minutes ago ... meanwhile for we interrupt the paint drying channel to
present you live chimney cam ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21758339

On 12/03/2013 20:46, Tim+ wrote:
How do they do it? The news picture looked like they were burning an old
car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke. How will they make the
white smoke? Stage smoke machine or something more traditional? ;-)

Tim


Now that's over (for now) we have two living popes. Frankie and Benny.

Surely not a sponsorship deal?

--
Rod

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:37:40 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

See the side bar about half way down. One to burn the papers one to make
the appropiate smoke. Smoke making materials listed similar but not the
same as prviously posted.

"potassium chloride; lactose; chloroform"? Don't think potassium chloride will
burn, no matter what you do with it.

And "chloroform" could have been a misheard "colophony" -- dunno what rosin is
in Italian. Ah, google translator says "colofonia".


Thomas Prufer

On 14/03/2013 06:38, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:37:40 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

See the side bar about half way down. One to burn the papers one to make
the appropiate smoke. Smoke making materials listed similar but not the
same as prviously posted.

"potassium chloride; lactose; chloroform"? Don't think potassium chloride will
burn, no matter what you do with it.

Transubstantiation fixes all these minor problems with wrong chemicals.

And "chloroform" could have been a misheard "colophony" -- dunno what rosin is
in Italian. Ah, google translator says "colofonia".


Thomas Prufer

The ingredients in translation were obviously wrong unless it was for a
mickey-finn or similar dodgy knockout drops that they posted by mistake.


--
Regards,
Martin Brown

In article , Andy
Burns writes

meanwhile for we interrupt the paint drying channel to
present you live chimney cam ...

And surprise, surprise, the old farts have elected an old fart as the
"spiritual" leader of 1.mumble billion Catholics.

What is a 76 year old man going to be able to do to revitalise the
church and deal with the never-ending stream of scandals: sexual
abusers, financial shenanigans at "God's bank", gay priests, rent boys
tripping in and out of the Vatican?

He'll be dead in 5 years, having achieved nothing, and they'll have to
go through the whole rigmarole again.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , Andy
Burns writes

meanwhile for we interrupt the paint drying channel to
present you live chimney cam ...

And surprise, surprise, the old farts have elected an old fart as the
"spiritual" leader of 1.mumble billion Catholics.

What is a 76 year old man going to be able to do to revitalise the
church and deal with the never-ending stream of scandals: sexual
abusers, financial shenanigans at "God's bank", gay priests, rent boys
tripping in and out of the Vatican?

He'll be dead in 5 years, having achieved nothing, and they'll have to
go through the whole rigmarole again.


Life expectancy at 75 is 86 so 5 years is on the pessimistic side.

Tim

On 14/03/2013 11:15, Tim+ wrote:
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , Andy
Burns writes

meanwhile for we interrupt the paint drying channel to
present you live chimney cam ...

And surprise, surprise, the old farts have elected an old fart as the
"spiritual" leader of 1.mumble billion Catholics.

What is a 76 year old man going to be able to do to revitalise the
church and deal with the never-ending stream of scandals: sexual
abusers, financial shenanigans at "God's bank", gay priests, rent boys
tripping in and out of the Vatican?

He'll be dead in 5 years, having achieved nothing, and they'll have to
go through the whole rigmarole again.


Life expectancy at 75 is 86 so 5 years is on the pessimistic side.

Tim

Depends on PoV.

--
Rod

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:58:35 +0000, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

In article , Andy
Burns writes

meanwhile for we interrupt the paint drying channel to
present you live chimney cam ...

And surprise, surprise, the old farts have elected an old fart as the
"spiritual" leader of 1.mumble billion Catholics.

What is a 76 year old man going to be able to do to revitalise the
church and deal with the never-ending stream of scandals: sexual
abusers, financial shenanigans at "God's bank", gay priests, rent boys
tripping in and out of the Vatican?


A lot of comments in the press seem to make a big thing of him coming
from South America , with both parents being Italian emigrants to
Argentina his background isn't that different from the previous ones
from Europe. If they had chosen someone whose background was
descended from the inhabitants of South America,Africa or Asia before
European colonisation it might be worth making a comment about it.

G.Harman

En el artículo 467039797384952491.160546timdownie2003-yahoo.co.uk@news.
eternal-september.org, Tim+ escribió:

Life expectancy at 75 is 86 so 5 years is on the pessimistic side.

Most 76 year old men are not the leader of a worldwide organisation
mired in scandal, such as child abuse, gay marriage, financial
shenanigans, rent boys, etc. etc. etc.

This is mighty convenient:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21753860

the cardinals can pop downstairs for a bit of cock when it suits them.

I predict the stress will kill "Francis" within 5 years.

Having said that, a member of my family, not normally noted for their
cynicism, said that the conclave has picked Pope Francis precisely
because he'll be merely a figurehead. They've chosen someone they know
will carry out all the ceremonial hocus pocus oblivious to what is going
on behind his back. In other words, it'll be business as usual.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

On 12/03/13 21:04, Bert Coules wrote:
According to one news report today, the last time this whole shindig
took place the eventual white smoke looked identical to the foregoing
black variety; someone had to come out and tell the waiting crowds that
the someone had actually got the job. "But this time," said the
reporter, "they've apparently got a new burner and the smoke really will
be white".


In the photo I saw it looked dark grey against a darkening sky. A
chemical additive is used I believe, but they can't do much about
backlight and an overcast sky.


--
djc

Mike Tomlinson wrote
Tim+ wrote

Life expectancy at 75 is 86 so 5 years is on the pessimistic side.

Even more true of those with Italian genes.

Most 76 year old men are not the leader of a worldwide
organisation mired in scandal, such as child abuse, gay
marriage, financial shenanigans, rent boys, etc. etc. etc.

This is mighty convenient:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21753860

the cardinals can pop downstairs for a bit of cock when it suits them.

I predict the stress will kill "Francis" within 5 years.

Bet it doesn't. He seems do handle stress pretty well till now.

Having said that, a member of my family, not normally noted for
their cynicism, said that the conclave has picked Pope Francis precisely
because he'll be merely a figurehead. They've chosen someone they
know will carry out all the ceremonial hocus pocus oblivious to what is
going on behind his back. In other words, it'll be business as usual.

And I bet that will see him last more than 5 years.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:42:23 +0000, wrote:

A lot of comments in the press seem to make a big thing of him coming
from South America , with both parents being Italian emigrants to
Argentina his background isn't that different from the previous ones
from Europe.

Shhh, you're not supposed to notice that. Even with a surname like
gigolo.

If they had chosen someone whose background was descended from the
inhabitants of South America,Africa or Asia before European
colonisation it might be worth making a comment about it.

Or even a colonist of several generations rather than a decendant of
relatively recent migrants.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:46:25 PM UTC, Tim+ wrote:
How do they do it? The news picture looked like they were burning an old
car tyre so that accounts for the black smoke. How will they make the
white smoke? Stage smoke machine or something more traditional? ;-)


Surely god turns it into the appropriate colour much as he does with the wine and wafers.

Robert