It has spring clips to hold it against the plasterboard, but I'm
darned if I can locate one on the web! What should I be searching for?
I've tried fitting, mount, spring clip etc.

Halogen downlighters are fitted in all the communal rooms of my house,
each one with a small transformer. Replacing the transformer on the
upper floor was a doddle, because I could go up into the loft and
replace it from there. But downstairs I have to somehow remove/release
the spring clips holding the fitting in order to pull the transformer
down through the ceiling hole. I thought, if I can find a picture of
the dratted fitting, it may become clear how to release those clips.

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

MM

MM wrote:

It has spring clips to hold it against the plasterboard, but I'm
darned if I can locate one on the web! What should I be searching for?
I've tried fitting, mount, spring clip etc.

Usually GU10 for 230V and MR16 for 12V, or other numbers apply depending
on distance between pins, in general called "bi-pin".

MM wrote:
It has spring clips to hold it against the plasterboard, but I'm
darned if I can locate one on the web! What should I be searching for?
I've tried fitting, mount, spring clip etc.

Halogen downlighters are fitted in all the communal rooms of my house,
each one with a small transformer. Replacing the transformer on the
upper floor was a doddle, because I could go up into the loft and
replace it from there. But downstairs I have to somehow remove/release
the spring clips holding the fitting in order to pull the transformer
down through the ceiling hole. I thought, if I can find a picture of
the dratted fitting, it may become clear how to release those clips.

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

The usual way it to remove the lamp and then just gently pull the fitting
down.

--
Adam

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:20:51 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

It has spring clips to hold it against the plasterboard, but I'm
darned if I can locate one on the web! What should I be searching for?
I've tried fitting, mount, spring clip etc.

Usually GU10 for 230V and MR16 for 12V, or other numbers apply depending
on distance between pins, in general called "bi-pin".

No, NOT the pins on the bulb or the connector the bulb pushes into. I
mean the fitting that holds the transformer. Mine have spring clips
that are normally flat and thus hold said fitting tightly against the
plasterboard (on the other side of the light).

MM

On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:23:02 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
It has spring clips to hold it against the plasterboard, but I'm
darned if I can locate one on the web! What should I be searching for?
I've tried fitting, mount, spring clip etc.

Halogen downlighters are fitted in all the communal rooms of my house,
each one with a small transformer. Replacing the transformer on the
upper floor was a doddle, because I could go up into the loft and
replace it from there. But downstairs I have to somehow remove/release
the spring clips holding the fitting in order to pull the transformer
down through the ceiling hole. I thought, if I can find a picture of
the dratted fitting, it may become clear how to release those clips.

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

The usual way it to remove the lamp and then just gently pull the fitting
down.

But if you wanted to buy a new one, what would you search for? (Still
haven't found one!)

MM

MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:23:02 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
It has spring clips to hold it against the plasterboard, but I'm
darned if I can locate one on the web! What should I be searching
for? I've tried fitting, mount, spring clip etc.

Halogen downlighters are fitted in all the communal rooms of my
house, each one with a small transformer. Replacing the
transformer on the upper floor was a doddle, because I could go
up into the loft and replace it from there. But downstairs I have
to somehow remove/release the spring clips holding the fitting in
order to pull the transformer down through the ceiling hole. I
thought, if I can find a picture of the dratted fitting, it may
become clear how to release those clips.

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the
kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers
already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the
transformer.

The usual way it to remove the lamp and then just gently pull the
fitting down.

But if you wanted to buy a new one, what would you search for? (Still
haven't found one!)

You would probably have to buy a new light fitting.

--
Adam

MM wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:20:51 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

MM wrote:

It has spring clips to hold it against the plasterboard, but I'm
darned if I can locate one on the web! What should I be searching for?
I've tried fitting, mount, spring clip etc.

Usually GU10 for 230V and MR16 for 12V, or other numbers apply depending
on distance between pins, in general called "bi-pin".

No, NOT the pins on the bulb or the connector the bulb pushes into

Yes, but if you search for MR16 downlighter, you'll probably find some
diagrams or photos, or fitting guides on e.g. the TLC website.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:29:01 +0000, MM wrote:

But if you wanted to buy a new one, what would you search for? (Still
haven't found one!)

Jesus Kerist.
http://tinyurl.com/google-for-ceiling-downlighter

On Jan 8, 6:49*am, MM wrote:
It has spring clips to hold it against the plasterboard, but I'm
darned if I can locate one on the web! What should I be searching for?
I've tried fitting, mount, spring clip etc.

Halogen downlighters are fitted in all the communal rooms of my house,
each one with a small transformer. Replacing the transformer on the
upper floor was a doddle, because I could go up into the loft and
replace it from there. But downstairs I have to somehow remove/release
the spring clips holding the fitting in order to pull the transformer
down through the ceiling hole. I thought, if I can find a picture of
the dratted fitting, it may become clear how to release those clips.

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

MM

Well can't you look at the ones in the loft to see how they work?

On 08/01/2013 07:29, MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:23:02 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
It has spring clips to hold it against the plasterboard, but I'm
darned if I can locate one on the web! What should I be searching for?
I've tried fitting, mount, spring clip etc.

Halogen downlighters are fitted in all the communal rooms of my house,
each one with a small transformer. Replacing the transformer on the
upper floor was a doddle, because I could go up into the loft and
replace it from there. But downstairs I have to somehow remove/release
the spring clips holding the fitting in order to pull the transformer
down through the ceiling hole. I thought, if I can find a picture of
the dratted fitting, it may become clear how to release those clips.

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

The usual way it to remove the lamp and then just gently pull the fitting
down.

But if you wanted to buy a new one, what would you search for? (Still
haven't found one!)

It's not very clear what you want to achieve - new clips for an old
fitting? - if so, that's unlikely to happen; the fittings aren't
particularly expensive, you just need new ones. But there's no reason
not to be able to remove and reuse the old ones, by pulling them
downwards, as ARW has advised.

AFAIK most of these lamps have a similar method of clipping into place
above the plasterboard - eg look at any of those at:
http://tinyurl.com/b24ot2b (or
http://www.screwfix.com/c/electrical...-_-Downlights).
If you do need new fittings, your challenge is likely to be finding
replacements that fir the existing cut-outs, as these days they tend to
be smaller and more compact than earlier models.

David




--
David

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:43:48 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:29:01 +0000, MM wrote:

But if you wanted to buy a new one, what would you search for? (Still
haven't found one!)

Jesus Kerist.
http://tinyurl.com/google-for-ceiling-downlighter

Nice pictures of complete lights! Not, however, of *just* the fitting!
Maybe these are not available separately? Maybe one has to buy a
complete downlighter including the fitting?

MM

On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 23:52:49 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

On Jan 8, 6:49*am, MM wrote:
It has spring clips to hold it against the plasterboard, but I'm
darned if I can locate one on the web! What should I be searching for?
I've tried fitting, mount, spring clip etc.

Halogen downlighters are fitted in all the communal rooms of my house,
each one with a small transformer. Replacing the transformer on the
upper floor was a doddle, because I could go up into the loft and
replace it from there. But downstairs I have to somehow remove/release
the spring clips holding the fitting in order to pull the transformer
down through the ceiling hole. I thought, if I can find a picture of
the dratted fitting, it may become clear how to release those clips.

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

MM

Well can't you look at the ones in the loft to see how they work?

Yep, that seems to be the only solution, since none of the replies so
far has brought me close to what I'm looking for. Next, I'll try
YouTube. Failing that, I'll remove one of the loft ones and take a
photo!

MM

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips
from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

MM

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:58:43 +0000, MM wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips
from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

And, also, *where* do I find a replacement (on the web) for the
fixture/fitting/doubris depicted in pic3? That is the fitting I meant
in my OP.

MM

MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the
kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers
already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the
transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips
from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

Your kitchen is upstairs?

--
Adam

MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:58:43 +0000, MM wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the
kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers
already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the
transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring
clips from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

And, also, *where* do I find a replacement (on the web) for the
fixture/fitting/doubris depicted in pic3? That is the fitting I meant
in my OP.

Are you just wanting just the springs or a full fitting? NB a full fitting
does not mean you have to buy a lamp and transformer.

--
Adam

On 08/01/2013 08:58, MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips
from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

MM


You just take out the bulb so you can get your fingers in and pull
straight down on the white bezel. A certain amount of plasterboard
graunching ensues and the springs let go. The springs don't look bent in
pic 3.

To put it back, just point the long ends of the springs up through the
hole, feed it all in until the short ends touch the slightly mangled
hole-edge and then push until the springs start pulling instead of
pushing back.

It's all much easier than it sounds...

Cheers,

Colin.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:58:43 +0000, MM wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips
from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

Okay, I've pulled the whole fitting out now. Next question: Why are
the low voltage wires on the new transformer fitted with white plastic
sleeves on the ends? These can't be simply pulled off. They appear to
be crimped on. The wires have obviously been stripped back ready
(about 8mm), but the production plant has then crimped on these white
plastic sleeves. Are they just meant for protection whilst on
warehouse shelves?

MM

On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:07:05 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the
kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers
already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the
transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips
from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

Your kitchen is upstairs?

Er, no....?

MM

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:35:40 +0000, Colin Stamp
wrote:

On 08/01/2013 08:58, MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips
from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

MM


You just take out the bulb so you can get your fingers in and pull
straight down on the white bezel. A certain amount of plasterboard
graunching ensues and the springs let go. The springs don't look bent in
pic 3.

To put it back, just point the long ends of the springs up through the
hole, feed it all in until the short ends touch the slightly mangled
hole-edge and then push until the springs start pulling instead of
pushing back.

It's all much easier than it sounds...

Cheers,

Colin.

Thanks! I've seen the light now! Got mine out. As you say, it's easier
than it sounds. I probably made too much of a palaver when I did some
upper floor ones a couple of years ago, accessing them from the loft.

However, care to glance at my *latest* post? About the white sleeves?

MM

MM wrote:

Okay, I've pulled the whole fitting out now. Next question: Why are
the low voltage wires on the new transformer fitted with white plastic
sleeves on the ends? These can't be simply pulled off. They appear to
be crimped on. The wires have obviously been stripped back ready
(about 8mm), but the production plant has then crimped on these white
plastic sleeves. Are they just meant for protection whilst on
warehouse shelves?

At a guess, the sleeves are to protect the cable against the high
temperatures usually found in such light fittings. They probably
find it cheaper than fully wiring in suitable cable.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 10:26:57 +0000, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

MM wrote:

Okay, I've pulled the whole fitting out now. Next question: Why are
the low voltage wires on the new transformer fitted with white plastic
sleeves on the ends? These can't be simply pulled off. They appear to
be crimped on. The wires have obviously been stripped back ready
(about 8mm), but the production plant has then crimped on these white
plastic sleeves. Are they just meant for protection whilst on
warehouse shelves?

At a guess, the sleeves are to protect the cable against the high
temperatures usually found in such light fittings. They probably
find it cheaper than fully wiring in suitable cable.

No, you have to remove the sleeves for the wires to make connection
-- unless they're designed so that the fixing screws in the connector
block pierce the sleeves. Besides, the connector block is then
covered with a black plastic cover shield.

MM

On Jan 8, 9:35*am, Colin Stamp wrote:
On 08/01/2013 08:58, MM wrote:









On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips
from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

MM

You just take out the bulb so you can get your fingers in and pull
straight down on the white bezel. A certain amount of plasterboard
graunching ensues and the springs let go. The springs don't look bent in
pic 3.

To put it back, just point the long ends of the springs up through the
hole, feed it all in until the short ends touch the slightly mangled
hole-edge and then push until the springs start pulling instead of
pushing back.

Then realise it doesn't hold anymore because you mangled the
plasterboard too much during removal.

MBQ

In article , Colin Stamp wrote:
On 08/01/2013 08:58, MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:
This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...
http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips
from the loft!

You just take out the bulb so you can get your fingers in and pull
straight down on the white bezel. A certain amount of plasterboard
graunching ensues and the springs let go.

If the plasterboard is in poor condition from previous graunching,
reaching through the hole and gently encouraging the springs into
the right position can help.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:35:40 +0000, Colin Stamp
wrote:

On 08/01/2013 08:58, MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen
and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,
Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips
from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

MM


You just take out the bulb so you can get your fingers in and pull
straight down on the white bezel. A certain amount of plasterboard
graunching ensues and the springs let go. The springs don't look bent in
pic 3.

To put it back, just point the long ends of the springs up through the
hole, feed it all in until the short ends touch the slightly mangled
hole-edge and then push until the springs start pulling instead of
pushing back.

It's all much easier than it sounds...

Cheers,

Colin.

Once I'd sussed out how to do it, I replaced two transformers in about
15 minutes. These ruddy downlighters are an expensive way to light a
home. I grew up with pendant lights and 60W bulbs, which I'd still
much rather have than 29 downlighters with their 29 transformers, each
of which costs £6 to replace. If this represents progress, please take
me back to the 1950s!

MM

MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:07:05 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the
kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new
transformers already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is
how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring
clips from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

Your kitchen is upstairs?

Er, no....?

How odd.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/browse_thread/thread/bfe311608b8812d4/a437f04ab2272339?hl=en-GB&q=group:uk.d-i-y

--
Adam

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:09:42 +0000, MM wrote:

Jesus Kerist.
http://tinyurl.com/google-for-ceiling-downlighter

Nice pictures of complete lights! Not, however, of *just* the fitting!
Maybe these are not available separately? Maybe one has to buy a
complete downlighter including the fitting?

It shows you the fittings and how the springs are. You just pull them
down. They're a **** design, cheap and nasty, and not kind to
plasterboard if you have to do it more than once.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:32:58 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:09:42 +0000, MM wrote:

Jesus Kerist.
http://tinyurl.com/google-for-ceiling-downlighter

Nice pictures of complete lights! Not, however, of *just* the fitting!
Maybe these are not available separately? Maybe one has to buy a
complete downlighter including the fitting?

It shows you the fittings and how the springs are.

Not the design used in my house, however.

MM

On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:26:49 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:07:05 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the
kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new
transformers already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is
how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring
clips from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

Your kitchen is upstairs?

Er, no....?

How odd.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/browse_thread/thread/bfe311608b8812d4/a437f04ab2272339?hl=en-GB&q=group:uk.d-i-y

Your point? I got the upper floor ones out by releasing the spring
clips *from the loft side* of the plasterboard. I cannot do that with
the downstairs, e.g. kitchen, lights.

MM

MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:26:49 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:07:05 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink
in the kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new
transformers already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is
how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the
spring clips from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

Your kitchen is upstairs?

Er, no....?

How odd.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/browse_thread/thread/bfe311608b8812d4/a437f04ab2272339?hl=en-GB&q=group:uk.d-i-y

Your point?

I sometimes keep that in my trousers.

--
Adam

On Jan 8, 5:52 pm, MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:26:49 -0000, "ARW"



wrote:
MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:07:05 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the
kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new
transformers already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is
how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring
clips from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

Your kitchen is upstairs?

Er, no....?

How odd.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/browse_thread/thread/bfe31160...

Your point? I got the upper floor ones out by releasing the spring
clips *from the loft side* of the plasterboard. I cannot do that with
the downstairs, e.g. kitchen, lights.

MM

the point would appear to be that you have already asked these exact
same questions in the thread of 2011 ??

deja vue? of ****wittering?

Jim K

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:25:25 PM UTC, MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:35:40 +0000, Colin Stamp

wrote:



On 08/01/2013 08:58, MM wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns

wrote:



MM wrote:



This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen

and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,

Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.



You remove the downlighter as shown here ...



http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights



That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips

from the loft!



I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.



MM





You just take out the bulb so you can get your fingers in and pull

straight down on the white bezel. A certain amount of plasterboard

graunching ensues and the springs let go. The springs don't look bent in

pic 3.



To put it back, just point the long ends of the springs up through the

hole, feed it all in until the short ends touch the slightly mangled

hole-edge and then push until the springs start pulling instead of

pushing back.



It's all much easier than it sounds...



Cheers,



Colin.



Once I'd sussed out how to do it, I replaced two transformers in about

15 minutes. These ruddy downlighters are an expensive way to light a

home. I grew up with pendant lights and 60W bulbs, which I'd still

much rather have than 29 downlighters with their 29 transformers, each

of which costs £6 to replace. If this represents progress, please take

me back to the 1950s!



MM

Its not progress, its utterly ridiculous but was fashionable. Have you added up the amount of power used when all the lights are on ?
Was the house built in the late 80s or 90s ?
Simon.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:42:21 -0800 (PST), Jim K
wrote:

On Jan 8, 5:52 pm, MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:26:49 -0000, "ARW"



wrote:
MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:07:05 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the
kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new
transformers already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is
how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring
clips from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

Your kitchen is upstairs?

Er, no....?

How odd.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/browse_thread/thread/bfe31160...

Your point? I got the upper floor ones out by releasing the spring
clips *from the loft side* of the plasterboard. I cannot do that with
the downstairs, e.g. kitchen, lights.

MM

the point would appear to be that you have already asked these exact
same questions in the thread of 2011 ??

That was when I was replacing the ones *upstairs*! (Dunno how many
more times I need to point this out.)

MM

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 06:51:34 -0800 (PST), sm_jamieson
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:25:25 PM UTC, MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:35:40 +0000, Colin Stamp

wrote:



On 08/01/2013 08:58, MM wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns

wrote:



MM wrote:



This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the kitchen

and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers already (EPH,

Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the transformer.



You remove the downlighter as shown here ...



http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights



That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring clips

from the loft!



I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.



MM





You just take out the bulb so you can get your fingers in and pull

straight down on the white bezel. A certain amount of plasterboard

graunching ensues and the springs let go. The springs don't look bent in

pic 3.



To put it back, just point the long ends of the springs up through the

hole, feed it all in until the short ends touch the slightly mangled

hole-edge and then push until the springs start pulling instead of

pushing back.



It's all much easier than it sounds...



Cheers,



Colin.



Once I'd sussed out how to do it, I replaced two transformers in about

15 minutes. These ruddy downlighters are an expensive way to light a

home. I grew up with pendant lights and 60W bulbs, which I'd still

much rather have than 29 downlighters with their 29 transformers, each

of which costs £6 to replace. If this represents progress, please take

me back to the 1950s!



MM

Its not progress, its utterly ridiculous but was fashionable. Have you added up the amount of power used when all the lights are on ?
Was the house built in the late 80s or 90s ?
Simon.

2004

MM

On 9 Jan, 16:15, MM wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:42:21 -0800 (PST), Jim K
wrote:









On Jan 8, 5:52 pm, MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:26:49 -0000, "ARW"

wrote:
MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:07:05 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the
kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new
transformers already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is
how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring
clips from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

Your kitchen is upstairs?

Er, no....?

How odd.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/browse_thread/thread/bfe31160...

Your point? I got the upper floor ones out by releasing the spring
clips *from the loft side* of the plasterboard. I cannot do that with
the downstairs, e.g. kitchen, lights.

MM

the point would appear to be that you have already asked these exact
same questions in the thread of 2011 ??

That was when I was replacing the ones *upstairs*! (Dunno how many
more times I need to point this out.)

MM

so you haven't actually been arsed to read thru that 2011 thread?

How many times do we have to point this out? & I quote you from april
2011:-

YOU 2011:-
However, more importantly, how the heck do I gain access to the
transformers for the kitchen lights? On the upper floor (e.g. for
lights in bathroom or landing) it's easy, because I can just go up
into the roof space and the transformers are just lying around on
lengths of cable. But surely I don't need to lift the floorboards
to
access the ones for the kitchen?

DENISE 2011:-
They usually fit through the holes the down lighters are in, you don't
say
what yours are.

go read the rest of the (similarly lengthy) 2011 thread yourself?

Jim K

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:24:07 -0800 (PST), Jim K
wrote:

On 9 Jan, 16:15, MM wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:42:21 -0800 (PST), Jim K
wrote:









On Jan 8, 5:52 pm, MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:26:49 -0000, "ARW"

wrote:
MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:07:05 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the
kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new
transformers already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is
how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring
clips from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

Your kitchen is upstairs?

Er, no....?

How odd.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/browse_thread/thread/bfe31160...

Your point? I got the upper floor ones out by releasing the spring
clips *from the loft side* of the plasterboard. I cannot do that with
the downstairs, e.g. kitchen, lights.

MM

the point would appear to be that you have already asked these exact
same questions in the thread of 2011 ??

That was when I was replacing the ones *upstairs*! (Dunno how many
more times I need to point this out.)

MM

so you haven't actually been arsed to read thru that 2011 thread?

How many times do we have to point this out? & I quote you from april
2011:-

YOU 2011:-
However, more importantly, how the heck do I gain access to the
transformers for the kitchen lights? On the upper floor (e.g. for
lights in bathroom or landing) it's easy, because I can just go up
into the roof space and the transformers are just lying around on
lengths of cable. But surely I don't need to lift the floorboards
to
access the ones for the kitchen?

DENISE 2011:-
They usually fit through the holes the down lighters are in, you don't
say
what yours are.

go read the rest of the (similarly lengthy) 2011 thread yourself?

Jim K

And did any of those posts say how to get them out? As I said, with
the upper floor ones I didn't need to get them out, since I replaced
the transformers with the fittings in situ. I did remove one in order
to photograph it, however. I lifted the spring clips and the fitting
fell out. Now, how was I supposed to lift the clips in the case of the
downstairs ones without access to the space between the floors?

MM

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:23:16 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

sm_jamieson wrote:
On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:25:25 PM UTC, MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:35:40 +0000, Colin Stamp

wrote:



On 08/01/2013 08:58, MM wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns

wrote:



MM wrote:



This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in
the kitchen

and it's deffo the transformer. I have new transformers
already (EPH,

Spalding), so all I need now is how to access the
transformer.



You remove the downlighter as shown here ...



http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights



That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the
spring clips

from the loft!



I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.



MM





You just take out the bulb so you can get your fingers in and pull

straight down on the white bezel. A certain amount of plasterboard

graunching ensues and the springs let go. The springs don't look
bent in

pic 3.



To put it back, just point the long ends of the springs up
through the

hole, feed it all in until the short ends touch the slightly
mangled

hole-edge and then push until the springs start pulling instead of

pushing back.



It's all much easier than it sounds...



Cheers,



Colin.



Once I'd sussed out how to do it, I replaced two transformers in
about

15 minutes. These ruddy downlighters are an expensive way to light a

home. I grew up with pendant lights and 60W bulbs, which I'd still

much rather have than 29 downlighters with their 29 transformers,
each

of which costs £6 to replace. If this represents progress, please
take

me back to the 1950s!



MM

Its not progress, its utterly ridiculous but was fashionable. Have
you added up the amount of power used when all the lights are on ?
Was the house built in the late 80s or 90s ?

I am still fitting downlighters by the bucket load. Customers cannot get
enough of them. Andrew Gabriel did point out that if all the downlighters I
have fitted were switched on at the same time then that would be half a
megawatt of power. I generally only fit LEDs now.

I checked the price of a LED bulb in Wilkinson a few weeks ago and it
was 13 quid! My halogens are 50p each from Boyes and most have lasted
nine years now. I don't like the floodlight effect, though, which is
why I would have preferred the "old-fashoned" pendant light in the
centre of the room.

Curiously, for some unknown reason, the builder *did* put just such a
pendant light in each of the three bedrooms *and* in the living room!
God knows what passes for logic among builders...

....so he puts 2 downlighters in the downstairs loo, a very small room.
Why the effing f... does anyone need downlighters in a downstairs loo,
for God's sake! Even the utility room has 4 of the things. This is
where the washing machine is, with a small work surface and a basic
stainless steel sink and lovely "old-fashioned" pillar taps (so he got
one thing right!).

MM

On 10 Jan, 07:06, MM wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:24:07 -0800 (PST), Jim K
wrote:









On 9 Jan, 16:15, MM wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:42:21 -0800 (PST), Jim K
wrote:

On Jan 8, 5:52 pm, MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:26:49 -0000, "ARW"

wrote:
MM wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:07:05 -0000, "ARW"
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:04:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

This is urgent! I now have the third light on the blink in the
kitchen and it's deffo the transformer. I have new
transformers already (EPH, Spalding), so all I need now is
how to access the transformer.

You remove the downlighter as shown here ...

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/lights

That's mine! *They* are the upstairs ones! I released the spring
clips from the loft!

I'm now talking about the ones downstairs.

Your kitchen is upstairs?

Er, no....?

How odd.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/browse_thread/thread/bfe31160...

Your point? I got the upper floor ones out by releasing the spring
clips *from the loft side* of the plasterboard. I cannot do that with
the downstairs, e.g. kitchen, lights.

MM

the point would appear to be that you have already asked these exact
same questions in the thread of 2011 ??

That was when I was replacing the ones *upstairs*! (Dunno how many
more times I need to point this out.)

MM

so you haven't actually been arsed to read thru that 2011 thread?

How many times do we have to point this out? & I quote you from april
2011:-

YOU 2011:-
However, more importantly, how the heck do I gain access to the
transformers for the kitchen lights? On the upper floor (e.g. for
lights in bathroom or landing) it's easy, because I can just go up
into the roof space and the transformers are just lying around on
lengths of cable. But surely I don't need to lift the floorboards
to
access the ones for the kitchen?

DENISE 2011:-
They usually fit through the holes the down lighters are in, you don't
say
what yours are.

go read the rest of the (similarly lengthy) 2011 thread yourself?

Jim K

And did any of those posts say how to get them out? As I said, with
the upper floor ones I didn't need to get them out, since I replaced
the transformers with the fittings in situ. I did remove one in order
to photograph it, however. I lifted the spring clips and the fitting
fell out. Now, how was I supposed to lift the clips in the case of the
downstairs ones without access to the space between the floors?

MM

try post 3 in the 2011 thread - you know, *your* thread that *you*
started about *your* exact same downlighter "problem panic"

are you retarded or just on heavy meds?

Jim K

On 10 Jan, 07:14, MM wrote:

snip trolling


Curiously, for some unknown reason, the builder *did* put just such a
pendant light in each of the three bedrooms *and* in the living room!
God knows what passes for logic among builders...

probably so you have a choice of four locations in which to hang
yourself?

Jim K