On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 7:27:02 PM UTC, tony sayer wrote:
In article o.uk, Dave

Liquorice scribeth thus

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:58:05 +0000, tony sayer wrote:



He couldn't, nay did not, have any idea at all on how to convert bar to

PSI!..



TBH I'd have to go back to first principles and I'm not certain what a

"bar" actually is, 1 newton/square meter, naw that's way to small... kilo

newton/square meter? But even then I don't know the exact conversion

factor for kgf to pounds, it's about 2.2 but is that good enough?



One bar is the same as 1000 mb or standard air pressure at sea level the

same as 14.50 PSI...





The driving test is "Far" too easy, all people want to do is to spend

as little as possible on lessons get as little practice just to get

their "ticket" ..



Hasn't that always been the case? The new hazard awareness stuff must be

a bonus but they ought to have practical motorway driving included. Like

how to join one...



So it ought be. In fact it would be better if it were staged over more

then the one test a standard/advanced arrangement....





While we're at it compulsory driving tests every three years past the

age of say 65. Where would be the harm in that?..



Personally I think there ought to be a compulsory test for all drivers

every 5 years. Not a full blown one but something telling and testing on

legislation changes, eye sight, and a driving simulator measuring

reaction times and peripheral vision.

I guess that would be a good idea another would be to bam (for a set period) those that cause accidents, of course the majority of accidents are caused by people that have passed their test so not sure what that means.






...





Course the government would be so lily liveried they'd never do it....



Agreed. Around 7 people *a day* are killed on UK roads and many more

injured. Some MP's daughter gets killed by electrickery due to the

incompetence of a professional and a whole raft of restrictive

legislation is dumped on the rest of us.





Yes quite.....



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Tony Sayer

On Jan 9, 1:09*pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
On 09/01/2013 07:12, harry wrote:









On Jan 8, 8:25 pm, "ARW" wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
On 08/01/2013 19:19, polygonum wrote:

Last puncture (more like a complete shredding) was on a *very* steep
hill, an extremely narrow road, and nowhere an ordinary jack could
be located (ground unsuitable and car too heavy to move). So having
a spare wheel only became useful when a recovery service came out
with a suitable jack. 10 or 20 minutes was actually more like an
hour or two.

Tyre shredded too much to drive to somewhere suitable?

My last puncture was in the roadworks on the M6 in rush hour.
I just decided it wasn't worth trying to save the tyre and drove to
the end where I could get on the hard shoulder and then got the AA to
change it.

I think the hundreds of motorists that i saved from an hours delay
should have bought me a new tyre. *;-)

How much are you paying for the tyres for yourAstra?

--
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RedAstra? Heh Heh.

I haven't owned anastrafor at least a decade and that one was white.
I have an old corsa ATM.
You're not quite as clever as you think you are. Heh Heh.

Oh. It's Linda's car then?

In message , tony sayer
writes

While we're at it compulsory driving tests every three years past the
age of say 65. Where would be the harm in that?..
Snip
So you introduce regulation on the basis that there is no harm in it?
Even the Eu haven't come up with that one.
Statistics show that there would be no benefit in your proposal because
older drivers are in fact safer.

--
bert

In message , tony sayer
writes
In article
s.com, harry scribeth thus
On Jan 9, 9:58*am, tony sayer wrote:
That .. Ought to be part of the driving test. A simple job that every

driver, unless of course physically disabled from doing so, should have

that competency......

I can't agree with that, far too risky to have someone try to replace a car
wheel perhaps 5 years after they've past their test, and onn a differnt car
fromn their test car.

I can agree with it and they ought to make basic car maintenance
essential too. Wouldn't hurt at all.

Like where to put the Oil and Water in a car engine and where other
things go. Its quite basic, like how to check tyre pressures.

I had a young lad ask me at the local petrol station how you used the
air line and what pressure his tyres should be!.

He couldn't, nay did not, have any idea at all on how to convert bar to
PSI!..

Its not rocket science and for one if you were caught driving around on
under inflated or defective tyres its your licence that gets the pain
let alone any other grief you might encounter or what others might.

The driving test is "Far" too easy, all people want to do is to spend as
little as possible on lessons get as little practice just to get their
"ticket" ..

While we're at it compulsory driving tests every three years past the
age of say 65. Where would be the harm in that?..

Course the government would be so lily liveried they'd never do it....
--
Tony Sayer



They can tell who needs to be tested by accident statistics.
It's not over 65s.

Well after that age various things start to deteriorate in human beings
so not that bad an idea. Course young whippersnappers have their
problems but I have seen some real elderly dozy sods around on the
roads...

Common sense and caution actually improve. Patience of course is
severely lacking in younger people as you have just demonstrated
--
bert

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:57:48 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

I can't get to find out whether the tyre can be repaired after you've
used the gloop or not.

Of course it can, ffs.

On 10/01/2013 12:17, tony sayer wrote:
In article om,
dennis@home scribeth thus
On 09/01/2013 09:59, tony sayer wrote:
In article om,
dennis@home scribeth thus
On 08/01/2013 14:29, tony sayer wrote:
In article om,
dennis@home scribeth thus
On 08/01/2013 09:27, tony sayer wrote:
OK - TV's have always been specialist - but most other machinery was
pretty
simple.


I dont think TVs were THAT specialist when they were full o' valves


Now this is a good point. A TV of say 1960 or even earlier had pretty
straightforward circuitry so much so that I managed to convert a 1960's
era 405 line set to 625 lines and it worked very well.

Course these days a few chipset's and well, what can you do with
those?...




Reprogram them, put a different OS on, change the jumpers, quite a lot
if you want on most modern sets.


Can you give us an example as to say how you'd change the sound
intercarrier ?...

Or the vision modulation demodulation?..

Would you give an example of which chipset you need instructions for.
You could always choose one with a DSP that you know how to use so you
needn't ask questions that you aren't going to get an answer to.
Who knows? you may even be able to emulate a service remote and change
them to what you want with ease.

Which just shows how totally ignorant you are with TV now Denise.

None of this is now done anymore, intercarrier sound and vision
modulation of carriers..

Analogue TV has now gone out of fashion..


Do I need to remind you that you are the one that asked about them.

You Might have noticed that those two techniques are now out of
fashion!...


The fact that they aren't used much in digital TV doesn't mean they
aren't used and anyway do i need to remind you that it was you that asked.

In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:57:48 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

I can't get to find out whether the tyre can be repaired after you've
used the gloop or not.

Of course it can, ffs.

I've read they can't. Or rather at least some repairers won't attempt to.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Arfa Daily wrote:
I've had it happen to me a couple of times, but I've always found them
to be very good at resolving the situation. They have placed the order
online for me and taken the money in the shop. They have then asked me
if I wanted the items delivered direct to my house, or to the store for
collection. On each occasion, I have had the items delivered to my
house, and they have been with me the next day.

How long ago was this?

I would guess that the last time was probably between 1 and 2 years ago, but
time flies, as they say. To be honest though, my local store is very good
with its stock. I always check with the online store stock checker before
going, and they always seem to be showing a good number of the items in
stock. I use them pretty regularly, and as I say, it's been some while since
I last 'caught them out'

Arfa



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On Jan 10, 8:35*pm, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:57:48 -0800 (PST), harry

wrote:
I can't get to find out whether the tyre can be repaired after you've
used the gloop or not.

Of course it can, ffs.

Depends who you ask.
Some say the gloop can't be properly removed.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:29:11 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

I can't get to find out whether the tyre can be repaired after you've
used the gloop or not.

Of course it can, ffs.

I've read they can't. Or rather at least some repairers won't attempt to.

That's just some repairers being greedy arseholes and putting up
bull****e in the attempt to sell a new tyre.
Ffs, all that's in the gloop is latex, fibres and dye.

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:36:46 +0000, John Williamson
wrote:

Failing
that, a more accurate short cut is to multiply pressure in bar by 15,

Which is good enough for quickly blowing up tyres.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:57:47 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

I guess that would be a good idea another would be to bam (for a set period) those that cause accidents,

Bam! Bam!
Good thinking, Bamman.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:32:26 +0000, bert ] wrote:

Well after that age various things start to deteriorate in human beings
so not that bad an idea. Course young whippersnappers have their
problems but I have seen some real elderly dozy sods around on the
roads...

Common sense and caution actually improve. Patience of course is
severely lacking in younger people as you have just demonstrated

Oh, bloody hell; when you're stuck behind some old ******* who won't
go above 20mph, you tell me about impatience.

In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:32:26 +0000, bert ] wrote:

Well after that age various things start to deteriorate in human beings
so not that bad an idea. Course young whippersnappers have their
problems but I have seen some real elderly dozy sods around on the
roads...

Common sense and caution actually improve. Patience of course is
severely lacking in younger people as you have just demonstrated

Oh, bloody hell; when you're stuck behind some old ******* who won't
go above 20mph, you tell me about impatience.

Firstly that very rarely happens.
Secondly get yourself a satnav which predict your arrival time and you
will see that incidents such as you describe or other short hold-ups
have very little impact on your journey time and neither does your short
mad bursts at higher speeds.
Thirdly your obviously short fuse makes you a danger to other road users
-I don't care if you actually kill or maim yourself.
Fourthly I told you about patience.
--
bert

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:41:46 +0000, bert ] wrote:

Oh, bloody hell; when you're stuck behind some old ******* who won't
go above 20mph, you tell me about impatience.

Firstly that very rarely happens.

It happens often enough.

Secondly get yourself a satnav which predict your arrival time and you
will see that incidents such as you describe or other short hold-ups
have very little impact on your journey time and neither does your short
mad bursts at higher speeds.
Thirdly your obviously short fuse makes you a danger to other road users
-I don't care if you actually kill or maim yourself.
Fourthly I told you about patience.

Luckily, having put the bikes back on the road, I don't get stuck
behind doddery old *******s for very long. I used to, but not any
more.

In article , bert ]
scribeth thus
In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:32:26 +0000, bert ] wrote:

Well after that age various things start to deteriorate in human beings
so not that bad an idea. Course young whippersnappers have their
problems but I have seen some real elderly dozy sods around on the
roads...

Common sense and caution actually improve. Patience of course is
severely lacking in younger people as you have just demonstrated

Oh, bloody hell; when you're stuck behind some old ******* who won't
go above 20mph, you tell me about impatience.

Firstly that very rarely happens.
Secondly get yourself a satnav which predict your arrival time and you
will see that incidents such as you describe or other short hold-ups
have very little impact on your journey time and neither does your short
mad bursts at higher speeds.
Thirdly your obviously short fuse makes you a danger to other road users
-I don't care if you actually kill or maim yourself.
Fourthly I told you about patience.

Bert...

Theres a world of difference between someone who is just a "cautious"
driver and someone who is downright incompetent and who should not be on
the road just because they still "hold" a driving licence.

Its not an ageist thing either. Some people cannot see or will not see
that their driving has deteriorated over many years with their advancing
age.

Have a look at the conditions for a PPL and see if your allowed to carry
on year in year out without some medical checks at least being in place.

--
Tony Sayer

In article om,
dennis@home scribeth thus
On 10/01/2013 12:17, tony sayer wrote:
In article om,
dennis@home scribeth thus
On 09/01/2013 09:59, tony sayer wrote:
In article om,
dennis@home scribeth thus
On 08/01/2013 14:29, tony sayer wrote:
In article om,
dennis@home scribeth thus
On 08/01/2013 09:27, tony sayer wrote:
OK - TV's have always been specialist - but most other machinery was
pretty
simple.


I dont think TVs were THAT specialist when they were full o' valves


Now this is a good point. A TV of say 1960 or even earlier had pretty
straightforward circuitry so much so that I managed to convert a 1960's
era 405 line set to 625 lines and it worked very well.

Course these days a few chipset's and well, what can you do with
those?...




Reprogram them, put a different OS on, change the jumpers, quite a lot
if you want on most modern sets.


Can you give us an example as to say how you'd change the sound
intercarrier ?...

Or the vision modulation demodulation?..

Would you give an example of which chipset you need instructions for.
You could always choose one with a DSP that you know how to use so you
needn't ask questions that you aren't going to get an answer to.
Who knows? you may even be able to emulate a service remote and change
them to what you want with ease.

Which just shows how totally ignorant you are with TV now Denise.

None of this is now done anymore, intercarrier sound and vision
modulation of carriers..

Analogue TV has now gone out of fashion..


Do I need to remind you that you are the one that asked about them.

You Might have noticed that those two techniques are now out of
fashion!...


The fact that they aren't used much in digital TV doesn't mean they
aren't used and anyway do i need to remind you that it was you that asked.

Well tell us which chipset you'd use for them and how you'd go about it
in practice then...

--
Tony Sayer

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:36:19 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:41:46 +0000, bert ] wrote:

Oh, bloody hell; when you're stuck behind some old ******* who won't go
above 20mph, you tell me about impatience.

Firstly that very rarely happens.

It happens often enough.

Do you live near dennis?

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On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:29:11 PM UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:57:48 -0800 (PST), harry

wrote:



I can't get to find out whether the tyre can be repaired after you've

used the gloop or not.



Of course it can, ffs.



I've read they can't. Or rather at least some repairers won't attempt to.

I heard it was illegal they were meant to be one shot or one use tyres.
I thought they changed (the gloop material) with time and temerature and were only guarenteed to last hours NOT months and can;t be repaired.




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Dave Plowman London SW

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On Sunday, January 6, 2013 4:35:27 PM UTC, Arfa Daily wrote:

"That's clever, GBP 1.52 for a box of six, or three for a quid ..." That stopped her in her tracks. "Oh !" she said. "Would you like to swap them ?

Maybe she thought you might want fewer than 6.

Robert

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

I heard it was illegal they were meant to be one shot or one use tyres.

A run-flat tyre might well be, indeed probably is.
A normal tyre with anti-puncture or repair gloop in it is just a tyre
with gloop in it. The tyre monkeys over the years have complained
bitterly about gloop and some of them try it on.
Remember, nothing bull****s better than a Kwik Krap manager.

In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
A normal tyre with anti-puncture or repair gloop in it is just a tyre
with gloop in it. The tyre monkeys over the years have complained
bitterly about gloop and some of them try it on.

Any repair would normally be glued in place. Perhaps the gloop prevents
the adhesive working properly?

Just pondering - I'd never use this stuff anyway.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 11/01/2013 16:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
A normal tyre with anti-puncture or repair gloop in it is just a tyre
with gloop in it. The tyre monkeys over the years have complained
bitterly about gloop and some of them try it on.

Any repair would normally be glued in place. Perhaps the gloop prevents
the adhesive working properly?

Just pondering - I'd never use this stuff anyway.

Interestingly, tyre repair goop sic - no 'l' specifically says it
washes away easily:

"Goop will simply wash away with water when the time comes to change the
tyre, leaves no sticky residue"

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Goop-Punctur.../dp/B004EK5P4I

--
Rod

On Friday, January 11, 2013 4:46:31 PM UTC, polygonum wrote:
On 11/01/2013 16:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

A normal tyre with anti-puncture or repair gloop in it is just a tyre

with gloop in it. The tyre monkeys over the years have complained

bitterly about gloop and some of them try it on.



Any repair would normally be glued in place. Perhaps the gloop prevents

the adhesive working properly?



Just pondering - I'd never use this stuff anyway.



Interestingly, tyre repair goop sic - no 'l' specifically says it

washes away easily:



"Goop will simply wash away with water when the time comes to change the

tyre, leaves no sticky residue"

So what happens when it rains, also this point confused me.
Goop is installed through the valve BEFORE you have a puncture.

So are you meant to use this on all you're tyres including the spare ?

I thought the idesa behind puncture repair is that you use it when you get a puncture or am I just confused as I'm pretty sure you repair punctures rather than use something before the accident happens.






http://www.amazon.co.uk/Goop-Punctur.../dp/B004EK5P4I



--

Rod

On 11/01/2013 16:55, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, January 11, 2013 4:46:31 PM UTC, polygonum wrote:
On 11/01/2013 16:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

A normal tyre with anti-puncture or repair gloop in it is just
a tyre

with gloop in it. The tyre monkeys over the years have
complained

bitterly about gloop and some of them try it on.



Any repair would normally be glued in place. Perhaps the gloop
prevents the adhesive working properly?

Just pondering - I'd never use this stuff anyway.

Interestingly, tyre repair goop sic - no 'l' specifically says it
washes away easily:

"Goop will simply wash away with water when the time comes to
change the tyre, leaves no sticky residue"

So what happens when it rains, also this point confused me. Goop is
installed through the valve BEFORE you have a puncture.

So are you meant to use this on all you're tyres including the spare
?

I thought the idesa behind puncture repair is that you use it when
you get a puncture or am I just confused as I'm pretty sure you
repair punctures rather than use something before the accident
happens.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Goop-Punctur.../dp/B004EK5P4I


Well, a properly sealed tyre doesn't collect water inside, does it? So
why any issue with rain?

Yes - you are right, this is a pre-puncture product. And some products
are post-puncture. Simply the first I found which expressed a specific
bit of info. about getting rid of it.

--
Rod

On Jan 11, 8:40*am, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:29:11 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"

wrote:
I can't get to find out whether the tyre can be repaired after you've
used the gloop or not.

Of course it can, ffs.

I've read they can't. Or rather at least some repairers won't attempt to..

That's just some repairers being greedy arseholes and putting up
bull****e in the attempt to sell a new tyre.
Ffs, all that's in the gloop is latex, fibres and dye.

Sticks really well apparently.

On Jan 11, 2:11*pm, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:29:11 PM UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

* *Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:57:48 -0800 (PST), harry

wrote:

I can't get to find out whether the tyre can be repaired after you've

used the gloop or not.

Of course it can, ffs.

I've read they can't. Or rather at least some repairers won't attempt to.

I heard it was illegal they were meant to be one shot or one use tyres.
I thought they changed (the gloop material) with time and temerature and were only guarenteed to last hours NOT months and can;t be repaired.


No they can be fixed. But not if the gloop has been put in
That is what some people have told me.
So better to find your own spare wheel .
Just the problem of finding a place to put it.

On Jan 11, 4:46*pm, polygonum wrote:
On 11/01/2013 16:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article ,
* * Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
A normal tyre with anti-puncture or repair gloop in it is just a tyre
with gloop in it. The tyre monkeys over the years have complained
bitterly about gloop and some of them try it on.

Any repair would normally be glued in place. Perhaps the gloop prevents
the adhesive working properly?

Just pondering - I'd never use this stuff anyway.

Interestingly, tyre repair goop sic - no 'l' specifically says it
washes away easily:

"Goop will simply wash away with water when the time comes to change the
tyre, leaves no sticky residue"

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Goop-Punctur...l-Bottle/dp/B0...

--
Rod

Interesting that. Why isn't it put in all tyres?

On Jan 11, 4:55*pm, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, January 11, 2013 4:46:31 PM UTC, polygonum wrote:
On 11/01/2013 16:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,

* * Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

A normal tyre with anti-puncture or repair gloop in it is just a tyre

with gloop in it. The tyre monkeys over the years have complained

bitterly about gloop and some of them try it on.

Any repair would normally be glued in place. Perhaps the gloop prevents

the adhesive working properly?

Just pondering - I'd never use this stuff anyway.

Interestingly, tyre repair goop sic - no 'l' specifically says it

washes away easily:

"Goop will simply wash away with water when the time comes to change the

tyre, leaves no sticky residue"

So what happens when it rains, also this point confused me.
Goop is installed through the valve BEFORE you have a puncture.

So are you meant to use this on all you're tyres including the spare ?

I thought the idesa behind puncture repair is that you use it when you get a puncture or am I just confused as I'm pretty sure you repair punctures rather than use something before the accident happens.

Different stuff.
One is a preventative, the other is to fix a puncture.

On 11/01/2013 13:58, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:36:19 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:41:46 +0000, bert ] wrote:

Oh, bloody hell; when you're stuck behind some old ******* who won't go
above 20mph, you tell me about impatience.

Firstly that very rarely happens.

It happens often enough.

Do you live near dennis?


Obviously not as I haven't been overtaken for days if you exclude the
ambulance yesterday.

On Jan 11, 4:46*pm, polygonum wrote:
On 11/01/2013 16:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article ,
* * Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
A normal tyre with anti-puncture or repair gloop in it is just a tyre
with gloop in it. The tyre monkeys over the years have complained
bitterly about gloop and some of them try it on.

Any repair would normally be glued in place. Perhaps the gloop prevents
the adhesive working properly?

Just pondering - I'd never use this stuff anyway.

Interestingly, tyre repair goop sic - no 'l' specifically says it
washes away easily:

"Goop will simply wash away with water when the time comes to change the
tyre, leaves no sticky residue"

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Goop-Punctur...l-Bottle/dp/B0...

--
Rod

I found this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canned_tire_inflator

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:20:35 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

No they can be fixed. But not if the gloop has been put in
That is what some people have told me.

So, you state as fact, something that somebody told you.

"RobertL" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, January 6, 2013 4:35:27 PM UTC, Arfa Daily wrote:

"That's clever, GBP 1.52 for a box of six, or three for a quid ..." That
stopped her in her tracks. "Oh !" she said. "Would you like to swap them ?

Maybe she thought you might want fewer than 6.

Robert


Maybe. I hadn't considered that, but on balance, I think it was just that
she was thick ... :-)

Arfa

On Jan 11, 9:41*pm, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:20:35 -0800 (PST), harry

wrote:
No they can be fixed. But not if the gloop *has been put in
That is what *some people have told me.

So, you state as fact, something that somebody told you.

I said right at the outset that I had been told different things.
I was trying to establish the fact.
Ie
Is this ******* at the tyre centre telling me the truth or does he
just want to sell me a new tyre?

On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:48:44 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

Is this ******* at the tyre centre telling me the truth

You do get the odd one who knows what he's talking about, but they're
increasingly rare, ime.

or does he just want to sell me a new tyre?

Which is the right answer.

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:48:44 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

Is this ******* at the tyre centre telling me the truth

You do get the odd one who knows what he's talking about, but they're
increasingly rare, ime.

or does he just want to sell me a new tyre?

Which is the right answer.


There is a place local to me that we had always found very good on tyres.
They also do exhausts and MOTs and so on, as many whose primary business is
tyres, now do. Various members of the family started using them for their
MOT service, based on being happy with the previous service they had
received on replacement tyres and puncture repairs. However, I don't trust
them on MOTs. Every time one of the cars goes to them, they always find
something wrong. It's always something that's hard to contest like excess
play in a steering or suspension joint, or a gaiter starting to split. or
excess wear on brake pads etc, and always gets quoted at a hundred or so
quid including parts. Just enough to make sure that you tell them that they
had better go ahead as its already there.

They did this to my son a while back on his three year old Peugeot. They
told him that there was very little life left in his front discs and pads
and that they recommended that they were replaced. He asked me what I
thought, as he was strapped for cash. I told him to ask if they were going
to refuse it a ticket if he did not have the parts replaced. They ummed and
aahed and told him no, it was just advisory. When he got it back, I invited
my mechanic chum to take a look to see what he thought. There was barely a
mark on the discs, and the pads still had at least 5mm of lining on them.

I continue to take mine to the village garage. They're not terribly good at
diagnosing 'problems', but are good at run of the mill 'grunt' work when my
mate is too busy, and I trust the MOT tester completely. He has often passed
my vehicles without issue, and any advisories that he has issued have always
been valid. On the occasions that he has failed one of my cars on anything
major (lights and wipers etc, he just does as I've always told him he can),
he has always invited me to pop up so that he can show me what he's found.

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:

I don't trust them on MOTs.

I use a small local (to Leicester) outfit that ONLY does MOTs, no
repairs. New website seems to have a few niggles ...

http://www.davesautos.co.uk

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Arfa Daily wrote:
It's always something that's hard to contest like excess play in a
steering or suspension joint, or a gaiter starting to split. or excess
wear on brake pads etc,

No such thing as worn brake pads, as regards an MOT. Unless down to the
backing.

You could always attend the MOT and ask to be shown the problem.

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In article ,
Arfa Daily wrote:
It's always something that's hard to contest like excess play in a
steering or suspension joint, or a gaiter starting to split. or excess
wear on brake pads etc,

No such thing as worn brake pads, as regards an MOT. Unless down to the
backing.

Which is why they had to admit that they couldn't fail it, even if they were
worn as they said, which they actually weren't. The thing is that if you are
Joe Average, who these days doesn't even know where the bonnet release catch
is, when someone 'professional', who is, after all, doing a government
required safety check - the MOT test - on your car, you might well be
inclined to accept what they are telling you as gospel, and go along with
it. Discs and pads are actually really cheap, and probably even cheaper on a
trade account. They are really easy to change on most cars, especially if
you have all the right kit and a hoist available. I would imagine that doing
a few of those a day at £120 or whatever, would represent a very nice little
profit, thank you very much ...



You could always attend the MOT and ask to be shown the problem.


Not always terribly convenient though, and I guess that they rely on this.
Very easy to assess the 'vulnerability' of the customer also. Both my son
and one of my daughters, and the wife have had 'debatable' experiences at
the hands of these people, but seem reluctant to accept they might be 'on
the make' from them. It's a nice glossy place, and the guys are very
friendly and chatty, but the two who seem to be in charge, always feel very
'cheeky chappy' and streetwise to me, and I don't like them. I use them for
tyres, which I've already previously got a price for from them over the
phone, but that's it.

Arfa



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On 12/01/13 14:23, Arfa Daily wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Arfa Daily wrote:
It's always something that's hard to contest like excess play in a
steering or suspension joint, or a gaiter starting to split. or excess
wear on brake pads etc,

No such thing as worn brake pads, as regards an MOT. Unless down to the
backing.

Which is why they had to admit that they couldn't fail it, even if they
were worn as they said, which they actually weren't. The thing is that
if you are Joe Average, who these days doesn't even know where the
bonnet release catch is, when someone 'professional', who is, after all,
doing a government required safety check - the MOT test - on your car,
you might well be inclined to accept what they are telling you as
gospel, and go along with it. Discs and pads are actually really cheap,
and probably even cheaper on a trade account. They are really easy to
change on most cars, especially if you have all the right kit and a
hoist available. I would imagine that doing a few of those a day at £120
or whatever, would represent a very nice little profit, thank you very
much ...



You could always attend the MOT and ask to be shown the problem.


Not always terribly convenient though, and I guess that they rely on
this. Very easy to assess the 'vulnerability' of the customer also. Both
my son and one of my daughters, and the wife have had 'debatable'
experiences at the hands of these people, but seem reluctant to accept
they might be 'on the make' from them. It's a nice glossy place, and the
guys are very friendly and chatty, but the two who seem to be in charge,
always feel very 'cheeky chappy' and streetwise to me, and I don't like
them. I use them for tyres, which I've already previously got a price
for from them over the phone, but that's it.


main dealer. Quote for MOT work £1200
smaller dealer who specialises in commercial vehicles. £150.
MOT inspector. Called in to arbitrate, says 'smaller dealer is correct,
but strictly those tyres are failures so he should have told you to get
new ones. there are one or two cuts where you can JUST see the cords
with a magnifying glass. Admittedly they are not dangerous, but
technically they are a fail'

I have since replaced them. And re MOTed the car (it's had 4 tests this
year now) so that its next MOT will expire in the summer when the other
vehicle is on the road. MOTS that expire DEC 31 are a bloody nightmare.

MOTS are a coinveninent excise to fix all sorts of sub optimal things.

e.g broken exhaust bracket. Main dealer to supply and fit new stainless
steel rear exhaust section (and probably the whole thing, as I doubt it
would have come apart) £400. Costs of welding bracket back on exhaust
£15. MOT inspector says 'its not an MOT failure. It was still held up by
the other bracket'.




Arfa



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