Hi all,

The PVC front door on my new house has a eurolock. It's the kind you have
to turn two full turns in order to lock and unlock the door. That is pretty
fiddly, especially when it's dark, wet and windy and you're in a hurry. Is
there any quicker, more instantaneous type of lock that would fit the door?
I'd be much happier with a lock that could be unlocked instantly using a
key fob - or even a push-button combination lock might be easier.

I suppose one option would be to replace the PVC door with a wooden door
with a traditional yale lock, although those are probably a bit too
pickable.

Any suggestions?

TIA

A

On Oct 31, 8:47*pm, Al N wrote:
Hi all,

The PVC front door on my new house has a eurolock. It's the kind you have
to turn two full turns in order to lock and unlock the door. That is pretty
fiddly, especially when it's dark, wet and windy and you're in a hurry. Is
there any quicker, more instantaneous type of lock that would fit the door?
I'd be much happier with a lock that could be unlocked instantly using a
key fob - or even a push-button combination lock might be easier.

I suppose one option would be to replace the PVC door with a wooden door
with a traditional yale lock, although those are probably a bit too
pickable.

Any suggestions?

TIA

A

I reckon that's the lock mechanism in the door lock that requires 2
turns, rather than the cylinder itself

Jim K

On 31 Oct 2012 20:47:24 GMT, Al N wrote:

I suppose one option would be to replace the PVC door with a wooden door
with a traditional yale lock, although those are probably a bit too
pickable.

Most eurolocks are about as secure as a ham sandwich. Even a cheap
Yale is more resistant to bypass. Few scrotes have the ability to
pick a lock these days, edoookation in Borstal has gone right down the
tubes.

Most now rely upon something called "bumping" or a woodscrew and
hammer. Defeating most eurolocks takes about 5-10 seconds and can be
done without too much observable fuss. They are slightly better than
using Edam cheese to secure a door but not much.

On 31/10/2012 21:16, Peter Parry wrote:
On 31 Oct 2012 20:47:24 GMT, Al N wrote:

I suppose one option would be to replace the PVC door with a wooden door
with a traditional yale lock, although those are probably a bit too
pickable.

Most eurolocks are about as secure as a ham sandwich. Even a cheap
Yale is more resistant to bypass. Few scrotes have the ability to
pick a lock these days, edoookation in Borstal has gone right down the
tubes.

Most now rely upon something called "bumping" or a woodscrew and
hammer. Defeating most eurolocks takes about 5-10 seconds and can be
done without too much observable fuss. They are slightly better than
using Edam cheese to secure a door but not much.


'Most'? Do you know of any that are reasonably secure?

Thanks, Rob

Peter Parry wrote in
news

Most eurolocks are about as secure as a ham sandwich.

That's why I have securty cameras and an alarm.
Can anyone recommend a urolock that is fairly secure yet reasonably cheap?

A

On 01/11/2012 09:02, Al N wrote:
Peter Parry wrote in
news

Most eurolocks are about as secure as a ham sandwich.

That's why I have securty cameras and an alarm.
Can anyone recommend a urolock that is fairly secure yet reasonably cheap?

A

Is that for the incontinence?

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Rod

polygonum wrote in news:afesl8Frb1dU1
@mid.individual.net:

Is that for the incontinence?

No - I use a figure-of-eight knot for that. Works like magic.

Al N wrote...

Peter Parry wrote in
news

Most eurolocks are about as secure as a ham sandwich.

That's why I have securty cameras and an alarm.
Can anyone recommend a urolock that is fairly secure yet reasonably cheap?

A

Avocet at GBP30.00. Cheap means cheap and nasty, probably Chinese and a
waste of time.
--
Ilene

Chris Hogg wrote...

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:27:47 +0000, Ilene D'over
wrote:

Al N wrote...

Peter Parry wrote in
news

Most eurolocks are about as secure as a ham sandwich.

That's why I have securty cameras and an alarm.
Can anyone recommend a urolock that is fairly secure yet reasonably cheap?

A

Avocet at GBP30.00. Cheap means cheap and nasty, probably Chinese and a
waste of time.

Still bumpable though. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72iP-WyY_T8

2008 and well out of date. I apologise for your confusion as, when
anyone refers to an Avocet eurocylinder nowadays they mean

http://www.abbeyarchitectural.co.uk/Products/0035


Is there any eurolock that really can't be bumped?


See above!
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Ilene

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:47:24 +0000, Al N wrote:

Hi all,

The PVC front door on my new house has a eurolock. It's the kind you
have to turn two full turns in order to lock and unlock the door. That
is pretty fiddly, especially when it's dark, wet and windy and you're in
a hurry. Is there any quicker, more instantaneous type of lock that
would fit the door?
I'd be much happier with a lock that could be unlocked instantly using a
key fob - or even a push-button combination lock might be easier.

I suppose one option would be to replace the PVC door with a wooden door
with a traditional yale lock, although those are probably a bit too
pickable.

Use a BS3621 Yale lock. PBS1 or PBS2. More differs than the standard, and
anti-pick/bump/flexible plastic.

--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

On 31 Oct 2012 23:07:13 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

Use a BS3621 Yale lock. PBS1 or PBS2. More differs than the standard, and
anti-pick/bump/flexible plastic.

They might be secure but they have a usability and convenience factor of zero.

Spawn of the devil oh **** I've locked myself out of the house yet again when
the wind caught the door heaps of ****.

We ripped those things out a few decades ago.

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Can the yale pbs1/2be used on an outside gate or are these locks for internal use only, ive tried to find out but to no avail.

wrote:
Can the yale pbs1/2be used on an outside gate or are these locks for internal use only, ive tried to find out but to no avail.

When I looked these up, they don't appear to be eurolocks? Have you got
the correct reference?

The PVC front door on my new house has a eurolock. It's the kind you have
to turn two full turns in order to lock and unlock the door. That is
pretty
fiddly, especially when it's dark, wet and windy and you're in a hurry. Is
there any quicker, more instantaneous type of lock that would fit the
door?
I'd be much happier with a lock that could be unlocked instantly using a
key fob - or even a push-button combination lock might be easier.

I saw kits to do what you want in germany a few years ago, but you needed
the euro lock version with the thumb turn on the inside,

the kit was a remote controlled motorised thumb turn.. erm, turner,
you fixed the motor unit box to the inside of the door, it slots over the
thumb turn and is secured to the door using the existing handle mounting
screws,

Then you can just press the key fob, and it'll run the motor untill it's
unlocked, press the other fob button and it does the oposite,
i believe there was a way to set it up so it'll only unlock with the fob, so
you ensure you have the key with you... incase the batteries die in the
motor box or something i guess.

And there was an extension handle on the inside so you can still operate the
thumb turn if the batteries were dead or the motor box malfunctioned and you
needed to get out quick (as i just know someone is going to say 'great
devise, it'll fail in a fire or melt and trap you inside')

I'm sure conrad electronics sold them, they have an english version of their
site, but i recall seeing them in the bauhauses (praktica, OBI etc)

"Gazz" wrote in :

I saw kits to do what you want in germany a few years ago, but you
needed the euro lock version with the thumb turn on the inside,

the kit was a remote controlled motorised thumb turn.. erm, turner,
you fixed the motor unit box to the inside of the door, it slots over
the thumb turn and is secured to the door using the existing handle
mounting screws,

Then you can just press the key fob, and it'll run the motor untill
it's unlocked, press the other fob button and it does the oposite,
i believe there was a way to set it up so it'll only unlock with the
fob, so you ensure you have the key with you... incase the batteries
die in the motor box or something i guess.


Hi Gazz, That sounds ideal - thank you! Googling has proven fruitless
though. If anyone can provide a link to a supplier, I would be very
grateful.

A

On 1 Nov 2012 08:51:40 GMT, Al N wrote:


Hi Gazz, That sounds ideal - thank you! Googling has proven fruitless
though. If anyone can provide a link to a supplier, I would be very
grateful.

http://www.elv.de/homematic-keymatic-set-silber.html

Works on an existing cylinder with a key on the inside.

Here, in English:

http://www.conrad-uk.com/ce/en/produ...m-KM-Set-White

Thomas Prufer

Thomas Prufer wrote in
:

http://www.conrad-uk.com/ce/en/produ...ocking-System-
KM-Set-White

There it is! Thank you for that! It looks reasonably affordable too (sort
of)...

A

Al N wrote...

Hi all,

The PVC front door on my new house has a eurolock. It's the kind you have
to turn two full turns in order to lock and unlock the door. That is pretty
fiddly, especially when it's dark, wet and windy and you're in a hurry. Is
there any quicker, more instantaneous type of lock that would fit the door?
I'd be much happier with a lock that could be unlocked instantly using a
key fob - or even a push-button combination lock might be easier.

I suppose one option would be to replace the PVC door with a wooden door
with a traditional yale lock, although those are probably a bit too
pickable.

Any suggestions?

TIA

A

No one seems to be addressing the fundamental problem here if I read
your post correctly. It suggests that you have an older locking system
which relied on the key turning to operate the cams and/or mortise bolts
whereas more modern locks rely on the handle to do the work.

I suspect that your door has only cams to lock and seal the door with,
possibly, a single mortise bolt at the striker plate. If I am wrong,
please give more detail of your lock type.

Changing the lock mechanism for a later, handle operated, type is the
easy part. The problem will be getting keeps and a striker plate to
match your PVCu profile.

It is possible but not easy to make a good job of this but, if you have
the older type of lock described above, seriously consider changing it
anyway for improved security.

As for eurocylinders, modern ones such as the Avocet are excellent and
extremely secure at a cost of about GBP30.00 each which is not a high
price to pay for a good eurocylinder.

Regarding motorised locks etc. don't waste your money on what can end up
as a real problem further down the line.
--
Ilene

Ilene D'over wrote in
:


I suspect that your door has only cams to lock and seal the door with,
possibly, a single mortise bolt at the striker plate. If I am wrong,
please give more detail of your lock type.

Correct.

Changing the lock mechanism for a later, handle operated, type is the
easy part. The problem will be getting keeps and a striker plate to
match your PVCu profile.

It is possible but not easy to make a good job of this but, if you
have the older type of lock described above, seriously consider
changing it anyway for improved security.

As for eurocylinders, modern ones such as the Avocet are excellent and
extremely secure at a cost of about GBP30.00 each which is not a high
price to pay for a good eurocylinder.

Thanks a lot for the tip. I had thought about replacing the whole front
door, as it's very dated and I don;t like the large pane of glass it has
in it. In the meantime, I may go for one of the Avocet locks you
mentioned. My back door does have the handle-operated lock you mentioned,
but again, the eurocylinder could do with upgrading.

Regards,

A

Al N wrote...

Ilene D'over wrote in
:


I suspect that your door has only cams to lock and seal the door with,
possibly, a single mortise bolt at the striker plate. If I am wrong,
please give more detail of your lock type.

Correct.

OK but, which one? Cams only or cams with mortise bolt.

If the former, seriously consider replacing it with a new door. A
composite would be a good choice.

If the latter, you will almost certainly be able to get a replacement
lock, with handle operation but, it will be expensive, circa GBP80.00.


Changing the lock mechanism for a later, handle operated, type is the
easy part. The problem will be getting keeps and a striker plate to
match your PVCu profile.

It is possible but not easy to make a good job of this but, if you
have the older type of lock described above, seriously consider
changing it anyway for improved security.

As for eurocylinders, modern ones such as the Avocet are excellent and
extremely secure at a cost of about GBP30.00 each which is not a high
price to pay for a good eurocylinder.

Thanks a lot for the tip. I had thought about replacing the whole front
door, as it's very dated and I don;t like the large pane of glass it has
in it. In the meantime, I may go for one of the Avocet locks you
mentioned. My back door does have the handle-operated lock you mentioned,
but again, the eurocylinder could do with upgrading.

Good decision.

--
Ilene

Ilene D'over wrote in :

OK but, which one? Cams only or cams with mortise bolt.

Ilene, I just checked and it has cams and a mortice bolt.

If the latter, you will almost certainly be able to get a replacement
lock, with handle operation but, it will be expensive, circa GBP80.00.

What about the fact that my locking mechanism requres two full 360-degree
turns? Won't a handle-operated lock have problems with that?

Can anyone provide a link to one of these handle-operated locks? Or do I
need to get a locksmith to come out and see exactly what I've got?

Changing the lock mechanism for a later, handle operated, type is the
easy part. The problem will be getting keeps and a striker plate to
match your PVCu profile.

Oh, I see... well, I'm quite a skilled bodger, so I could have a go, once
I've got the lock to work with.

Am I right in thinking that the handle will lock the door from the inside,
but, when I go out, I'll still need to use keys to lock it?


Cheers,

A

On 02/11/2012 18:08, Al N wrote:
Ilene D'over wrote in :

OK but, which one? Cams only or cams with mortise bolt.

Ilene, I just checked and it has cams and a mortice bolt.

If the latter, you will almost certainly be able to get a replacement
lock, with handle operation but, it will be expensive, circa GBP80.00.

What about the fact that my locking mechanism requres two full 360-degree
turns? Won't a handle-operated lock have problems with that?

Can anyone provide a link to one of these handle-operated locks? Or do I
need to get a locksmith to come out and see exactly what I've got?

Probably

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Lock...e+Doors/p93545

Al N wrote...

Ilene D'over wrote in :

OK but, which one? Cams only or cams with mortise bolt.


Ilene, I just checked and it has cams and a mortice bolt.

Not the best but adequate.

If the latter, you will almost certainly be able to get a replacement
lock, with handle operation but, it will be expensive, circa GBP80.00.

What about the fact that my locking mechanism requres two full 360-degree
turns? Won't a handle-operated lock have problems with that?

A handle operated lock will operate the cams and mortise bolt. The
cylinder will only need to be used to lock the handle/lock so you will
be left with a single 180 degree turn.

Can anyone provide a link to one of these handle-operated locks? Or do I
need to get a locksmith to come out and see exactly what I've got?

Changing the lock mechanism for a later, handle operated, type is the
easy part. The problem will be getting keeps and a striker plate to
match your PVCu profile.

Oh, I see... well, I'm quite a skilled bodger, so I could have a go, once
I've got the lock to work with.

Am I right in thinking that the handle will lock the door from the inside,
but, when I go out, I'll still need to use keys to lock it?

The cylinder/key is always needed to lock the door. The latch
(Night-latch) will allow opening from the inside and outside if there is
a handle on both sides. If you can get a lock which takes a handle
inside and a pad outside i.e. split-spindle, the door cannot be opened
from the outside without the key.

Hope that explains it.

--
Ilene

Al N wrote...

Ilene D'over wrote in :

OK but, which one? Cams only or cams with mortise bolt.

Ilene, I just checked and it has cams and a mortice bolt.

If the latter, you will almost certainly be able to get a replacement
lock, with handle operation but, it will be expensive, circa GBP80.00.

What about the fact that my locking mechanism requres two full 360-degree
turns? Won't a handle-operated lock have problems with that?

Can anyone provide a link to one of these handle-operated locks? Or do I
need to get a locksmith to come out and see exactly what I've got?

Sorry, forgot to comment on this. You will need a lock that has the same
size centre unit and length as your existing one. You then need to
consider the distance between the handle screws and the position of the
spindle and cylinder in relation to the handle screws.

Have a look here for an example of the various types.
http://www.multipointlocks.co.uk/

A picture of your existing lock would be a great help!
--
Ilene

Al N wrote:
I'd be much happier with a lock that could be unlocked instantly using a
key fob - or even a push-button combination lock might be easier.

Yale does a key fob lock:
http://www.yale.co.uk/en/yale/couk/K...yless-Concept/

Or a cheaper keypad lock.
http://digital.yale.co.uk/door-locks

Cheaper alternatives are available.

wrote in
:

Yale does a key fob lock:
http://www.yale.co.uk/en/yale/couk/K...e-Keyless-Conc
ept/

Or a cheaper keypad lock.
http://digital.yale.co.uk/door-locks


Thanks for the links.

A

"Al N" wrote in message
...
wrote in
:

Yale does a key fob lock:
http://www.yale.co.uk/en/yale/couk/K...e-Keyless-Conc
ept/

Or a cheaper keypad lock.
http://digital.yale.co.uk/door-locks


Thanks for the links.

A

I have just been looking on eBay and they sell loads of different locks that
are anti bum / snap and even anti drill
Jim G

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 23:32:52 -0000, "the_constructor"
wrote:

I have just been looking on eBay and they sell loads of different locks that
are anti bum

Presumbly only suitable for front doors


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"The Other Mike" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 23:32:52 -0000, "the_constructor"
wrote:

I have just been looking on eBay and they sell loads of different locks
that
are anti bum

Presumbly only suitable for front doors

i'd have thought you'd want it on your 'back door' tbh.