hello.
Im thinking of moving house, the house i'm looking at is a good price and doesn't have any hideous problems. The previous tenants where evicted and ripped out all the copper pipes however the radiators are still in place.

upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas boiler - ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about £1000 to £1500.. how much would reconnecting the boiler to the radiators add to the price?
(i prefer plastic PB or PEX pipes to copper)

I want to add a standalone shower also.

Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler or have its electric with it own little boiler?

could anyone recommend a company? the house is in bacup lancashire.

Thanks
Superdonkey

In article , superdonkey
wrote:
[snip details]
could anyone recommend a company? the house is in bacup
lancashire.
I think Tiger gas in Padiham have a good reputation - brother uses
them for work in his flats

John M

On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:16:42 PM UTC+1, superdonkey wrote:
hello.

Im thinking of moving house, the house i'm looking at is a good price

and doesn't have any hideous problems. The previous tenants where

evicted and ripped out all the copper pipes however the radiators are

still in place.



upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas boiler -

ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about �1000 to

�1500.. how much would reconnecting the boiler to the radiators add to

the price?

(i prefer plastic PB or PEX pipes to copper)



I want to add a standalone shower also.



Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler or have

its electric with it own little boiler?



could anyone recommend a company? the house is in bacup lancashire.



Thanks

Superdonkey

You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate. Electric showers are rather inferior performancewise to gas, and cost about 3x as much to run.


NT

On Oct 8, 12:16*pm, superdonkey
wrote:


Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler or have
its electric with it own little boiler?

Neither, IMHO.

MBQ

wrote:
On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:16:42 PM UTC+1, superdonkey wrote:
hello.

Im thinking of moving house, the house i'm looking at is a good
price

and doesn't have any hideous problems. The previous tenants where

evicted and ripped out all the copper pipes however the radiators
are

still in place.



upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas boiler
-

ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about ?1000
to

?1500.. how much would reconnecting the boiler to the radiators add
to

the price?

(i prefer plastic PB or PEX pipes to copper)



I want to add a standalone shower also.



Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler or
have

its electric with it own little boiler?



could anyone recommend a company? the house is in bacup lancashire.



Thanks

Superdonkey

You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only
stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate. Electric showers
are rather inferior performancewise to gas, and cost about 3x as much
to run.

What is wrong with having to wait a few minutes for bath to fill?

Any maths on the electric shower is 3x more expensive than a "gas shower".
Add in water meter costs to your calculations if using a pumped shower.

--
Adam

ARW wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:16:42 PM UTC+1, superdonkey wrote:
hello.

Im thinking of moving house, the house i'm looking at is a good
price

and doesn't have any hideous problems. The previous tenants where

evicted and ripped out all the copper pipes however the radiators
are

still in place.



upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas boiler
-

ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about ?1000
to

?1500.. how much would reconnecting the boiler to the radiators add
to

the price?

(i prefer plastic PB or PEX pipes to copper)



I want to add a standalone shower also.



Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler or
have

its electric with it own little boiler?



could anyone recommend a company? the house is in bacup lancashire.



Thanks

Superdonkey
You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only
stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate. Electric showers
are rather inferior performancewise to gas, and cost about 3x as much
to run.

What is wrong with having to wait a few minutes for bath to fill?


make that 20 or worse if someone else is running hot water.

Any maths on the electric shower is 3x more expensive than a "gas shower".
Add in water meter costs to your calculations if using a pumped shower.



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members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

In article ,
superdonkey writes:

Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler or have
its electric with it own little boiler?

You will have to say what your definition of "better" is...

Cheapest to install
Fastest to install
Cheapest to run
Enough pressure to drill holes in you
Enough flow to run a drencher showerhead
Enough water for 4 teenagers to shower twice a day each with no gaps
etc.

--
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wrote:

You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate.
No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath quick
but then there no hot water left to top it up. If someone has just done
the washing up you only get half a bath full which is dead annoying.
Combis are great because you just put the tap of at not too fast a flow
and go and get undressed and clean your teeth and the bath's full of
piping hot water, and there's always more available. Far better. Tanks
are so annoying; you're always running out of hot, and they waste leccy
because they have to be hot all the time, even in summer when you're
trying to cool the house not hot it up.

Bill

On Oct 8, 10:01*pm, Bill Wright wrote:
wrote:
You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate.

No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath quick
but then there no hot water left to top it up. If someone has just done
the washing up you only get half a bath full which is dead annoying.
Combis are great because you just put the tap of at not too fast a flow
and go and get undressed and clean your teeth and the bath's full of
piping hot water, and there's always more available. Far better. Tanks
are so annoying; you're always running out of hot, and they waste leccy
because they have to be hot all the time, even in summer when you're
trying to cool the house not hot it up.

Bill

A nice warm airing cupboard is one of the things I most miss because
we have a Combi.

That and a backup source of hot water (immersion heater).

Philip

On 08/10/2012 12:16, superdonkey wrote:

upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas boiler -
ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about £1000 to
£1500.

I wish that I could find someone to install a new boiler at £1500, all
in. In London. Any suggestions?

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:01:21 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath quick
but then there no hot water left to top it up. If someone has just done
the washing up you only get half a bath full which is dead annoying.

If the reheat time for a cylinder is much over 20 mins then there is
something wrong with the system. By the time you have had your bath the
tank is back to hot again.

Note the 20 mins to reheat the quantity of water in a cylinder is about
the time it takes a combi to fill a bath... You can't get away from the
laws of physics, the energy in the hot water can only come from the
boiler and if it takes 20 min to heat 150l from 15 to 50C it will always
take 20 mins. It just so happens with a cylinder you can get your 50C
water delivered *much* faster.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Bill Wright wrote:
wrote:

You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only
stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate.
No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath quick
but then there no hot water left to top it up. If someone has just done
the washing up you only get half a bath full which is dead annoying.

Ie only once run out of tank hot water, when he wife and had a shower
and gione ald wshed up and left the hit tap running

Just get a BIG eniough tank

Combis are great because you just put the tap of at not too fast a flow
and go and get undressed and clean your teeth and the bath's full of
piping hot water, and there's always more available. Far better. Tanks
are so annoying; you're always running out of hot, and they waste leccy
because they have to be hot all the time, even in summer when you're
trying to cool the house not hot it up.

Bill


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 08/10/2012 22:38, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:01:21 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath quick
but then there no hot water left to top it up. If someone has just done
the washing up you only get half a bath full which is dead annoying.

If the reheat time for a cylinder is much over 20 mins then there is
something wrong with the system. By the time you have had your bath the
tank is back to hot again.

Note the 20 mins to reheat the quantity of water in a cylinder is about
the time it takes a combi to fill a bath... You can't get away from the
laws of physics, the energy in the hot water can only come from the
boiler and if it takes 20 min to heat 150l from 15 to 50C it will always
take 20 mins. It just so happens with a cylinder you can get your 50C
water delivered *much* faster.

Further, having a combi does not actually preclude a tank. With our
precise situation, it might make sense to do that - if we replace the
boiler.

--
Rod

On Monday, October 8, 2012 6:17:24 PM UTC+1, wrote:
meow2222 wrote:

On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:16:42 PM UTC+1, superdonkey wrote:

hello.



Im thinking of moving house, the house i'm looking at is a good

price



and doesn't have any hideous problems. The previous tenants where



evicted and ripped out all the copper pipes however the radiators

are



still in place.







upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas boiler

-



ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about ?1000

to



?1500.. how much would reconnecting the boiler to the radiators add

to



the price?



(i prefer plastic PB or PEX pipes to copper)







I want to add a standalone shower also.







Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler or

have



its electric with it own little boiler?







could anyone recommend a company? the house is in bacup lancashire.







Thanks



Superdonkey



You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only

stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate. Electric showers

are rather inferior performancewise to gas, and cost about 3x as much

to run.



What is wrong with having to wait a few minutes for bath to fill?

Nothing. Having to wait 15 minutes though is unacceptable


Any maths on the electric shower is 3x more expensive than a "gas shower".

Gas, after slight boiler inefficiency, works out at about 4p a kWh. Electrickery is triple that


Add in water meter costs to your calculations if using a pumped shower.

Sure, but that part's the same for either method of heating the water


NT

polygonum wrote:
Further, having a combi does not actually preclude a tank. With our
precise situation, it might make sense to do that - if we replace the
boiler.

A good solution, that's exactly what I have. With a header tank in
the attic, the shower in the first floor and ground floor have
decent pressure and there's no fight between water temperature and
water pressure that I've experienced all too often with showers
fed from a direct heating system.

JGH

On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:43:06 PM UTC+1, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:01:21 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:



No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath quick

but then there no hot water left to top it up. If someone has just done

the washing up you only get half a bath full which is dead annoying.



If the reheat time for a cylinder is much over 20 mins then there is

something wrong with the system. By the time you have had your bath the

tank is back to hot again.

Lots of oldish sytems still in service take triple that. Small heat exchanger in the HW cyl plus whatever crud accumulates on it.


NT

Note the 20 mins to reheat the quantity of water in a cylinder is about

the time it takes a combi to fill a bath... You can't get away from the

laws of physics, the energy in the hot water can only come from the

boiler and if it takes 20 min to heat 150l from 15 to 50C it will always

take 20 mins. It just so happens with a cylinder you can get your 50C

water delivered *much* faster.

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 18:17:23 +0100, "ARW" wrote:

What is wrong with having to wait a few minutes for bath to fill?

Because it is more than a few minutes and by the time the bath is full the water
that entered it a few hours/days/years previously when you started filling it
has gone stone cold. IMHO a bath needs a water feed that enables it to be
filled to the brim with steaming hot water in less time than it takes for a ****
and a shave otherwise you may as well have a combi fed shower like a stinky
foreigner.


--

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:01:21 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

wrote:

You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate.
No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath quick
but then there no hot water left to top it up. If someone has just done
the washing up you only get half a bath full which is dead annoying.

Get a bigger tank

Combis are great because you just put the tap of at not too fast a flow
and go and get undressed and clean your teeth and the bath's full

....a few months later with lukewarm water.


--

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath quick
but then there no hot water left to top it up. If someone has just done
the washing up you only get half a bath full which is dead annoying.
Combis are great because you just put the tap of at not too fast a flow
and go and get undressed and clean your teeth and the bath's full of
piping hot water, and there's always more available. Far better. Tanks
are so annoying; you're always running out of hot,

Never heard of a fast recovery cylinder? Mine will allow a shower to be
run continuously, at rather better flow rates than an electric shower. And
if you are continuously running out of stored hot water, the system has an
inadequate sized cylinder.

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The Other Mike wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 18:17:23 +0100, "ARW" wrote:

What is wrong with having to wait a few minutes for bath to fill?

Because it is more than a few minutes and by the time the bath is full the water
that entered it a few hours/days/years previously when you started filling it
has gone stone cold.
This is simply not the case. I have a combi and I have to dilute the hot
with cold or I burn my ********. And I like the bath very full so I can
play 'up periscope'.

Bill

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:01:21 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath quick
but then there no hot water left to top it up. If someone has just done
the washing up you only get half a bath full which is dead annoying.

If the reheat time for a cylinder is much over 20 mins then there is
something wrong with the system. By the time you have had your bath the
tank is back to hot again.

Note the 20 mins to reheat the quantity of water in a cylinder is about
the time it takes a combi to fill a bath... You can't get away from the
laws of physics, the energy in the hot water can only come from the
boiler and if it takes 20 min to heat 150l from 15 to 50C it will always
take 20 mins. It just so happens with a cylinder you can get your 50C
water delivered *much* faster.

So you have to wait 20 minutes once you've emptied the tank? That's
unacceptable. Maybe your experience is with a small underpowered boiler.
My boiler is extremely huge and efficient.

Bill

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I only once run out of tank hot water, when he wife had a shower

Ah ha! Your secret is out!

Bill

On 08/10/2012 23:17, wrote:

Lots of oldish sytems still in service take triple that. Small heat
exchanger in the HW cyl plus whatever crud accumulates on it.

Many old indirect cylinders are only intended to heat at around 5kW...
handy for when sharing the boiler output with the heating on a mid
position valve perhaps, but not good for low reheat times on systems
where the cylinder has priority.

The one I just put in will heat at around 23kW which is near enough the
full output of the boiler. (and means if you can tolerate delivery rates
compatible with that rate of heat input you could draw water indefinitely)



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The Other Mike wrote:

Combis are great because you just put the tap of at not too fast a flow
and go and get undressed and clean your teeth and the bath's full

...a few months later with lukewarm water.

No, I can fill a bath rapidly because I have to dilute the hot water
from the combi otherwise I burn my ******** off. And that would be a
pity because they are splendid.

Bill

On 08/10/2012 22:25, GB wrote:
On 08/10/2012 12:16, superdonkey wrote:

upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas boiler -
ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about £1000 to
£1500.

I wish that I could find someone to install a new boiler at £1500, all
in. In London. Any suggestions?

Easy, have a look in the mirror!


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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath quick
but then there no hot water left to top it up.
Tanks are so annoying; you're always running out of hot,

Never heard of a fast recovery cylinder? Mine will allow a shower to be
run continuously, at rather better flow rates than an electric shower. And
if you are continuously running out of stored hot water, the system has an
inadequate sized cylinder.

+1

Chris
--
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Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

GB wrote:

On 08/10/2012 12:16, superdonkey wrote:

upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas boiler -
ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about £1000 to
£1500.

I wish that I could find someone to install a new boiler at £1500, all
in. In London. Any suggestions?

Just fitted one for my parents, just short of £1200 DIY. Glowworm 15HXi
at a bargain price of £550, 8 TRV's, 12m of 22mm, 12m of 15mm, Y valve,
new programmer/cyl. stat, various other odds and sods.

The extra piping was to change from a gravity fed to Y plan.
Took me probably 3 days.

Trade, it could not be done for less than £2000.

Just to fit a boiler, then yes,a cheap boiler, fitted to wall to
existing pipework, could be done for £1000. £500ish for the boiler, £500
for labour and the other parts required.
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On 09/10/2012 07:54, A.Lee wrote:
GB wrote:

On 08/10/2012 12:16, superdonkey wrote:

upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas boiler -
ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about £1000 to
£1500.

I wish that I could find someone to install a new boiler at £1500, all
in. In London. Any suggestions?

Just fitted one for my parents, just short of £1200 DIY. Glowworm 15HXi
at a bargain price of £550, 8 TRV's, 12m of 22mm, 12m of 15mm, Y valve,
new programmer/cyl. stat, various other odds and sods.

The extra piping was to change from a gravity fed to Y plan.
Took me probably 3 days.

Trade, it could not be done for less than £2000.

Just to fit a boiler, then yes,a cheap boiler, fitted to wall to
existing pipework, could be done for £1000. £500ish for the boiler, £500
for labour and the other parts required.

I wish I could find someone at that price!

On Oct 9, 2:12*am, Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:01:21 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath quick
but then there no hot water left to top it up. If someone has just done
the washing up you only get half a bath full which is dead annoying.

If the reheat time for a cylinder is much over 20 mins then there is
something wrong with the system. By the time you have had your bath the
tank is back to hot again.

Note the 20 mins to reheat the quantity of water in a cylinder is about
the time it takes a combi to fill a bath... You can't get away from the
laws of physics, the energy in the hot water can only come from the
boiler and if it takes 20 min to heat 150l from 15 to 50C it will always
take 20 mins. It just so happens with a cylinder you can get your 50C
water delivered *much* faster.

So you have to wait 20 minutes once you've emptied the tank? That's
unacceptable. Maybe your experience is with a small underpowered boiler.
My boiler is extremely huge and efficient.

If washing up empties the tank then your tank is *way* too small.

If filling a bath empties the tank then your tank is still too small.
The tijme it take for a bath is more than enough to reheat the tank.

MBQ

GB wrote:

On 09/10/2012 07:54, A.Lee wrote:

Just to fit a boiler, then yes,a cheap boiler, fitted to wall to
existing pipework, could be done for £1000. £500ish for the boiler, £500
for labour and the other parts required.

I wish I could find someone at that price!

Thats becasue no-one wants to fit a cheap boiler, as it will have a
reputation for going wrong. they like to fit a good name, with some
justification.

My mate fits Glowwroms, and typically charges £1300-1500 for a straight
swap. 5 year guarantee.
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brought next idea :
On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:16:42 PM UTC+1, superdonkey wrote:
hello.

Im thinking of moving house, the house i'm looking at is a good price

and doesn't have any hideous problems. The previous tenants where

evicted and ripped out all the copper pipes however the radiators are

still in place.



upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas boiler -

ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about ïÿ½1000 to

ïÿ½1500.. how much would reconnecting the boiler to the radiators add to

the price?

(i prefer plastic PB or PEX pipes to copper)



I want to add a standalone shower also.



Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler or have

its electric with it own little boiler?



could anyone recommend a company? the house is in bacup lancashire.



Thanks

Superdonkey

You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only stored hot
water gives a sensible bath fill rate. Electric showers are rather inferior
performancewise to gas, and cost about 3x as much to run.

Stored hot water or a high wattage electric shower is best, though
stored will not be 3x as economical, because stored looses heat and you
will maybe have to wait for it to heat.

Electric shower has the advantage of still working if your gas/ or
combi happens to fail.

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wrote:
On Monday, October 8, 2012 6:17:24 PM UTC+1,
wrote:
meow2222 wrote:

On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:16:42 PM UTC+1, superdonkey wrote:

hello.



Im thinking of moving house, the house i'm looking at is a good

price



and doesn't have any hideous problems. The previous tenants
where



evicted and ripped out all the copper pipes however the
radiators

are



still in place.







upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas
boiler

-



ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about
?1000

to



?1500.. how much would reconnecting the boiler to the radiators
add

to



the price?



(i prefer plastic PB or PEX pipes to copper)







I want to add a standalone shower also.







Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler
or

have



its electric with it own little boiler?







could anyone recommend a company? the house is in bacup
lancashire.







Thanks



Superdonkey



You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only

stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate. Electric showers

are rather inferior performancewise to gas, and cost about 3x as
much

to run.



What is wrong with having to wait a few minutes for bath to fill?

Nothing. Having to wait 15 minutes though is unacceptable


Any maths on the electric shower is 3x more expensive than a "gas
shower".

Gas, after slight boiler inefficiency, works out at about 4p a kWh.
Electrickery is triple that

Only oif you heat up the exact amout of water needed.


Add in water meter costs to your calculations if using a pumped
shower.

Sure, but that part's the same for either method of heating the water

15 minutes in an electric shower uses a lot less water than 15 minutes in a
power shower.

--
Adam

Harry Bloomfield wrote:


Stored hot water or a high wattage electric shower is best, though
stored will not be 3x as economical, because stored looses heat and you
will maybe have to wait for it to heat.

Electric shower has the advantage of still working if your gas/ or combi
happens to fail.

whereas if you lose electricity only stored still works


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

ARW wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, October 8, 2012 6:17:24 PM UTC+1,
wrote:
meow2222 wrote:

On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:16:42 PM UTC+1, superdonkey wrote:
hello.
Im thinking of moving house, the house i'm looking at is a good
price
and doesn't have any hideous problems. The previous tenants
where
evicted and ripped out all the copper pipes however the
radiators
are
still in place.
upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas
boiler
-
ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about
?1000
to
?1500.. how much would reconnecting the boiler to the radiators
add
to
the price?
(i prefer plastic PB or PEX pipes to copper)
I want to add a standalone shower also.
Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler
or
have
its electric with it own little boiler?
could anyone recommend a company? the house is in bacup
lancashire.
Thanks
Superdonkey
You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only
stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate. Electric showers
are rather inferior performancewise to gas, and cost about 3x as
much
to run.


What is wrong with having to wait a few minutes for bath to fill?
Nothing. Having to wait 15 minutes though is unacceptable


Any maths on the electric shower is 3x more expensive than a "gas
shower".
Gas, after slight boiler inefficiency, works out at about 4p a kWh.
Electrickery is triple that

Only oif you heat up the exact amout of water needed.


Add in water meter costs to your calculations if using a pumped
shower.
Sure, but that part's the same for either method of heating the water

15 minutes in an electric shower uses a lot less water than 15 minutes in a
power shower.

That depends on how hard you turn it on.

I have to explain to visitors 'please don't turn the shower fully on or
we will have to mop up everything

Hot water at 4-5 bar is capable of practically pressure washing all the
orifices.


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Ineptocracy

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On 09/10/2012 17:17, A.Lee wrote:
GB wrote:

On 09/10/2012 07:54, A.Lee wrote:

Just to fit a boiler, then yes,a cheap boiler, fitted to wall to
existing pipework, could be done for £1000. £500ish for the boiler, £500
for labour and the other parts required.

I wish I could find someone at that price!

Thats becasue no-one wants to fit a cheap boiler, as it will have a
reputation for going wrong. they like to fit a good name, with some
justification.

My mate fits Glowwroms, and typically charges £1300-1500 for a straight
swap. 5 year guarantee.


I want a decent boiler - no issues with paying for that.

Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:01:21 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

No it's ******** that. If you have a tank you can fill the bath
quick but then there no hot water left to top it up. If someone
has just done the washing up you only get half a bath full which
is dead annoying.

If the reheat time for a cylinder is much over 20 mins then there is
something wrong with the system. By the time you have had your bath
the tank is back to hot again.

Note the 20 mins to reheat the quantity of water in a cylinder is
about the time it takes a combi to fill a bath... You can't get
away from the laws of physics, the energy in the hot water can only
come from the boiler and if it takes 20 min to heat 150l from 15 to
50C it will always take 20 mins. It just so happens with a cylinder
you can get your 50C water delivered *much* faster.

So you have to wait 20 minutes once you've emptied the tank? That's
unacceptable. Maybe your experience is with a small underpowered
boiler.



My boiler is extremely huge and efficient.

Is she? And do you read your emails on your web site enquiry form?

--
Adam

On 09/10/2012 18:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
ARW wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, October 8, 2012 6:17:24 PM UTC+1,
wrote:
meow2222 wrote:

On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:16:42 PM UTC+1, superdonkey wrote:
hello.
Im thinking of moving house, the house i'm looking at is a good
price
and doesn't have any hideous problems. The previous tenants
where
evicted and ripped out all the copper pipes however the
radiators
are
still in place.
upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas
boiler
-
ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about
?1000
to
?1500.. how much would reconnecting the boiler to the radiators
add
to
the price?
(i prefer plastic PB or PEX pipes to copper)
I want to add a standalone shower also.
Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler
or
have
its electric with it own little boiler?
could anyone recommend a company? the house is in bacup
lancashire.
Thanks
Superdonkey
You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only
stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate. Electric showers
are rather inferior performancewise to gas, and cost about 3x as
much
to run.


What is wrong with having to wait a few minutes for bath to fill?
Nothing. Having to wait 15 minutes though is unacceptable


Any maths on the electric shower is 3x more expensive than a "gas
shower".
Gas, after slight boiler inefficiency, works out at about 4p a kWh.
Electrickery is triple that

Only oif you heat up the exact amout of water needed.


Add in water meter costs to your calculations if using a pumped
shower.
Sure, but that part's the same for either method of heating the water

15 minutes in an electric shower uses a lot less water than 15 minutes
in a power shower.

That depends on how hard you turn it on.

I have to explain to visitors 'please don't turn the shower fully on or
we will have to mop up everything

Hot water at 4-5 bar is capable of practically pressure washing all the
orifices.

That is easily solved. Unscrew the hose from the wall unit; you may need
to replace the sealing washer with a thinner one; add a small coin with
a hole drilled through it and another washer; screw the hose back.

We found that a 3mm hole through a 5 centime piece worked perfectly for
a mains-fed, gas-heated shower in France. Previously, you'd come out
glowing red from the painful impact of the water - the flow was
incredible, but the 28kW water heater just about managed to keep up!

SteveW

On 09/10/2012 17:54, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
brought next idea :
On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:16:42 PM UTC+1, superdonkey wrote:
hello.

Im thinking of moving house, the house i'm looking at is a good price

and doesn't have any hideous problems. The previous tenants where

evicted and ripped out all the copper pipes however the radiators are

still in place.


upon purchase i intend to pay someone to install a combi gas boiler -

ive seen companies offering to install these fitted for about ���1000 to

���1500.. how much would reconnecting the boiler to the radiators add to

the price?

(i prefer plastic PB or PEX pipes to copper)



I want to add a standalone shower also.


Is it better to link the standalone shower to the combi boiler or have

its electric with it own little boiler?



could anyone recommend a company? the house is in bacup lancashire.



Thanks

Superdonkey

You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi. Only
stored hot water gives a sensible bath fill rate. Electric showers are
rather inferior performancewise to gas, and cost about 3x as much to run.

Stored hot water or a high wattage electric shower is best, though
stored will not be 3x as economical, because stored looses heat and you
will maybe have to wait for it to heat.

Electric shower has the advantage of still working if your gas/ or combi
happens to fail.

With stored hot water, you can not only still have a shower, but can
have a bath, a shave or do the washing up, etc. If you don't have enough
stored water for your family's needs (we've got three kids and use a lot
of water) then an immersion heater can act as backup to the boiler. In
fact in our case, with a few minutes frigging of the system, we managed
to use the stored hot water and the immersion to provide (limited) heat
to some rooms of the house when the fan on the boiler failed in the
coldest part of winter!

SteveW

On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:58:05 PM UTC+1, SteveW wrote:
On 09/10/2012 17:54, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Electric shower has the advantage of still working if your gas/ or combi

happens to fail.

And nonelectric with stored water still works if either gas or electricity or boiler or immersion fails


With stored hot water, you can not only still have a shower, but can

have a bath, a shave or do the washing up, etc. If you don't have enough

stored water for your family's needs (we've got three kids and use a lot

of water) then an immersion heater can act as backup to the boiler. In

fact in our case, with a few minutes frigging of the system, we managed

to use the stored hot water and the immersion to provide (limited) heat

to some rooms of the house when the fan on the boiler failed in the

coldest part of winter!



SteveW

Gas hob or oven also works for that.


NT

On Monday, 8 October 2012 16:20:01 UTC+1, (unknown) wrote:

You might be rather unhappy with the performance of a combi.

Only if you install one from the late '70s - early '80s