We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?


2: What to replace the stolen one with? Copper (god-awful
expensive, I guess). Plastic? Fiberglass? Aluminum?
(I haven't yet gone to look at what's available, what
material they might be made of.)


Clearly, what with your and my economy going down fast
(while the rich and bankers get richer and richer, on
our money and taxes), I don't want anything worth stealing --
at least not like copper is.


Hey, as time goes on, this kind of thing is going to be
happening a lot more often. Go out in the morning and
find your wheel-less car up on concrete blocks -- things like
that. To say nothing of copper downspouts!



David

"David Combs" wrote in message
...
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?


2: What to replace the stolen one with? Copper (god-awful
expensive, I guess). Plastic? Fiberglass? Aluminum?
(I haven't yet gone to look at what's available, what
material they might be made of.)


Clearly, what with your and my economy going down fast
(while the rich and bankers get richer and richer, on
our money and taxes), I don't want anything worth stealing --
at least not like copper is.


Hey, as time goes on, this kind of thing is going to be
happening a lot more often. Go out in the morning and
find your wheel-less car up on concrete blocks -- things like
that. To say nothing of copper downspouts!



David

Hmmmmmmmm. Putting up a copper downspout and thinking it NOT an
ostentatious demonstration of wealth and whatever. You might as well put a
neon sign in your front yard that says, "LOTS OF GOOD STUFF HERE!"

Copper downspouts and hardware look cool as hell. And even though I CAN
afford them, I would not put them up, as they are a magnet for the
undesirable element who are looking for a well-to-do homeowner, rather than
the poorer microwave, plasma TV, $800 PC computer crowd.

Have you thought of just putting up plain neon signs to show your
ostentation?

"LOTS OF VALUABLE ITEMS HERE!" - We can afford downspouts that cost XX
times the regular unwashed rabble's downspouts.

Steve

(David Combs) wrote in
:

We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?


2: What to replace the stolen one with? Copper (god-awful
expensive, I guess). Plastic? Fiberglass? Aluminum?
(I haven't yet gone to look at what's available, what
material they might be made of.)


Clearly, what with your and my economy going down fast
(while the rich and bankers get richer and richer, on
our money and taxes), I don't want anything worth stealing --
at least not like copper is.


Hey, as time goes on, this kind of thing is going to be
happening a lot more often. Go out in the morning and
find your wheel-less car up on concrete blocks -- things like
that. To say nothing of copper downspouts!



David



if your downspout is copper,the gutters are probably copper too.
you should use the same because of dissimilar metal galvanic action,or use
plastic if there is such an animal.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

on 9/26/2011 4:13 PM (ET) David Combs wrote the following:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?


2: What to replace the stolen one with? Copper (god-awful
expensive, I guess). Plastic? Fiberglass? Aluminum?
(I haven't yet gone to look at what's available, what
material they might be made of.)


Clearly, what with your and my economy going down fast
(while the rich and bankers get richer and richer, on
our money and taxes), I don't want anything worth stealing --
at least not like copper is.


Hey, as time goes on, this kind of thing is going to be
happening a lot more often. Go out in the morning and
find your wheel-less car up on concrete blocks -- things like
that. To say nothing of copper downspouts!



David



Get the plastic downspouts and paint them with copper paint or leave
them white.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:46:09 -0400, willshak wrote:

on 9/26/2011 4:13 PM (ET) David Combs wrote the following:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?


2: What to replace the stolen one with? Copper (god-awful
expensive, I guess). Plastic? Fiberglass? Aluminum?
(I haven't yet gone to look at what's available, what
material they might be made of.)


Clearly, what with your and my economy going down fast
(while the rich and bankers get richer and richer, on
our money and taxes), I don't want anything worth stealing --
at least not like copper is.


Hey, as time goes on, this kind of thing is going to be
happening a lot more often. Go out in the morning and
find your wheel-less car up on concrete blocks -- things like
that. To say nothing of copper downspouts!



David



Get the plastic downspouts and paint them with copper paint or leave
them white.

Replace them all before the thieves force the issue.

David Combs wrote:

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts.

You might want to check with the police in your jurisdiction / state /
county. Your municipality might have implimented a requirement for
scrap dealers to either (a) pay for stuff brought to them by cheque, or
(b) to otherwise take down some form of ID from the thieves. Sort of
like how pawn shops operate.

You'll have to file a police report anyways if you want to get
reimbursed by your home owners insurance policy.

2: What to replace the stolen one with? Copper (god-awful expensive,
I guess). Plastic? Fiberglass? Aluminum? (I haven't yet gone
to look at what's available, what material they might be made of.)

I don't want anything worth stealing -- at least not like copper is.

If you have full-replacement value coverage with your insurance, then
I'd press the issue to have replacement copper downspouts delivered to
your house - but NOT installed. Go and put them away somewhere
(basement, garage, shed, etc).

In any case (whether you're reimbursed or not) replace them with cheap
aluminum. They usually come in dark brown and white.

Once this economy returns to normal (maybe 10 years from now) and copper
slides to $2/lb or less, then go and get yourself new copper downspouts
(or install the ones your insurance company bought for you).

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch for your
spout.

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:38:56 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:

(David Combs) wrote in
:

We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?


2: What to replace the stolen one with? Copper (god-awful
expensive, I guess). Plastic? Fiberglass? Aluminum?
(I haven't yet gone to look at what's available, what
material they might be made of.)


Clearly, what with your and my economy going down fast
(while the rich and bankers get richer and richer, on
our money and taxes), I don't want anything worth stealing --
at least not like copper is.


Hey, as time goes on, this kind of thing is going to be
happening a lot more often. Go out in the morning and
find your wheel-less car up on concrete blocks -- things like
that. To say nothing of copper downspouts!



David



if your downspout is copper,the gutters are probably copper too.
you should use the same because of dissimilar metal galvanic action,or use
plastic if there is such an animal.
IF there is such an animal?? Plastic downspout is VERY common - but
not terribly durable. I'd use a plastic elbow at the top, and then run
aluminum dounspout. The plastic gives you the required galvanic break.

Take off the existingcopper from the other corners and either hide it
away or sell it for scrap so YOU get the money instead of the crook.
It is a case of when - not if - it is stolen. Having copper downspouts
advertizes the copper gutters as well - don't want them stripped.
I've heard of gutters and flashing being stolen ftom several homes -
and even copper roofing stripped from bay windows and Cupolas.

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

On Sep 26, 1:13*pm, (David Combs) wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

****Sorry about the vandalism you have suffered.

**** Takes me back to Kenya, umpty years ago. The Masai used to pull
down the copper telephone wire and make it into bracelets and
necklaces to sell to the tourists.

****(I guess now everybody uses cell phones? No more copper wire?
Haven't been back in decades.)
[...]

HB

In article ,
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch
for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. The buyers didn't steal
the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable operation of
their business. It's also likely that alot of the stolen junk is
converted to meth well before it reaches the fixed-location buyer.

Even if you tried to protect your copper downspout-ed house by putting
it inisde a gated communited, some tweaker would steal the gate too.

m

On 9/27/2011 12:22 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Sep 26, 1:13 pm, (David Combs) wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

****Sorry about the vandalism you have suffered.

**** Takes me back to Kenya, umpty years ago. The Masai used to pull
down the copper telephone wire and make it into bracelets and
necklaces to sell to the tourists.

****(I guess now everybody uses cell phones? No more copper wire?
Haven't been back in decades.)
[...]

HB



In the second and third worlds, where vast areas never got built out for
landlines, now they never will be. Prefab cell towers are just too
cheap. In areas so primitive that mains power never got built out,
powering them reliably is a challenge, as is the backhaul network.

--
aem sends...

On Sep 27, 2:39*am, aemeijers wrote:
On 9/27/2011 12:22 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:





On Sep 26, 1:13 pm, (David Combs) wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

****Sorry about the vandalism you have suffered.

**** Takes me back to Kenya, umpty years ago. *The Masai used to pull
down the copper telephone wire and make it into bracelets and
necklaces to sell to the tourists.

****(I guess now everybody uses cell phones? *No more copper wire?
Haven't been back in decades.)
[...]

HB

In the second and third worlds, where vast areas never got built out for
landlines, now they never will be. Prefab cell towers are just too
cheap. In areas so primitive that mains power never got built out,
powering them reliably is a challenge, as is the backhaul network.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

around here idiots are stealing the copper from power substations,
causing hazards and power outages

On Sep 27, 9:24*am, bob haller wrote:
On Sep 27, 2:39*am, aemeijers wrote:





On 9/27/2011 12:22 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:

On Sep 26, 1:13 pm, (David Combs) wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

****Sorry about the vandalism you have suffered.

**** Takes me back to Kenya, umpty years ago. *The Masai used to pull
down the copper telephone wire and make it into bracelets and
necklaces to sell to the tourists.

****(I guess now everybody uses cell phones? *No more copper wire?
Haven't been back in decades.)
[...]

HB

In the second and third worlds, where vast areas never got built out for
landlines, now they never will be. Prefab cell towers are just too
cheap. In areas so primitive that mains power never got built out,
powering them reliably is a challenge, as is the backhaul network.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

around here idiots *are stealing the copper from power substations,
causing *hazards and power outages- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

another idiot stole a length of trolley cable, leaving one steel rail
at 600 volts wire laying on it....someone walking along the line could
of been electrocuted

On Sep 26, 2:46*pm, willshak wrote:
on 9/26/2011 4:13 PM (ET) David Combs wrote the following:





We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. *Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

2: What to replace the stolen one with? *Copper (god-awful
expensive, I guess). *Plastic? *Fiberglass? *Aluminum?
(I haven't yet gone to look at what's available, what
material they might be made of.)

Clearly, what with your and my economy going down fast
(while the rich and bankers get richer and richer, on
our money and taxes), I don't want anything worth stealing --
at least not like copper is.

Hey, as time goes on, this kind of thing is going to be
happening a lot more often. *Go out in the morning and
find your wheel-less car up on concrete blocks -- things like
that. *To say nothing of copper downspouts!

David

Get the plastic downspouts and paint them with copper paint or leave
them white.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Or don't paint them and get the colored ones.

Harry K

On Sep 26, 10:33*pm, (Fake ID) wrote:
In article ,





wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. *Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch
for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. *The buyers didn't steal
the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable operation of
their business. *It's also likely that alot of the stolen junk is
converted to meth well before it reaches the fixed-location buyer.

Even if you tried to protect your copper downspout-ed house by putting
it inisde a gated communited, some tweaker would steal the gate too.

m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Heh. I'm wondereing about selling my 50 gal barrel of copper house
wire. Stuff I stripped outof two demolition jobs, rewiring a house,
etc. All with the insulation burned off (yep, I'm a baaaad guy). Bet
I would get the third degree at the scrap yard.

That barrel is so heavy that I had to empty and refill it when I
needed to move the barrel.

Harry K

Fake ID wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to
watch for your spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next
major metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. The buyers didn't
steal the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable
operation of their business. It's also likely that alot of the
stolen junk is converted to meth well before it reaches the
fixed-location buyer.

Here in Seattle, law requires buyers to document ID and requires check payment
for over $10. This appears to help.

On Sep 26, 4:13*pm, (David Combs) wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. *Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

2: What to replace the stolen one with? *Copper (god-awful
expensive, I guess). *Plastic? *Fiberglass? *Aluminum?
(I haven't yet gone to look at what's available, what
material they might be made of.)

Clearly, what with your and my economy going down fast
(while the rich and bankers get richer and richer, on
our money and taxes), I don't want anything worth stealing --
at least not like copper is.

Hey, as time goes on, this kind of thing is going to be
happening a lot more often. *Go out in the morning and
find your wheel-less car up on concrete blocks -- things like
that. *To say nothing of copper downspouts!

David

They even steal the aluminum ones around here. I replaced my
downspouts with rain chains.....lengths of stainless steel chain with
white LED lights. Look cool , dont clog with ice or leaves. Really
look nice when they freeze over but still remain functional.

Jimmie

On Sep 27, 10:18*am, Harry K wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:33*pm, (Fake ID) wrote:





In article ,

wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. *Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch
for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. *The buyers didn't steal
the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable operation of
their business. *It's also likely that alot of the stolen junk is
converted to meth well before it reaches the fixed-location buyer.

Even if you tried to protect your copper downspout-ed house by putting
it inisde a gated communited, some tweaker would steal the gate too.

m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Heh. *I'm wondereing about selling my 50 gal barrel of copper house
wire. *Stuff I stripped outof two demolition jobs, rewiring a house,
etc. *All with the insulation burned off (yep, I'm a baaaad guy). *Bet
I would get the third degree at the scrap yard.

That barrel is so heavy that I had to empty and refill it when I
needed to move the barrel.

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

copper around here is about 3 bucks per pound.

sell it now, the coming double dip recession will make it worth less

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:24:48 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Sep 27, 2:39Â*am, aemeijers wrote:
On 9/27/2011 12:22 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:





On Sep 26, 1:13 pm, (David Combs) wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

****Sorry about the vandalism you have suffered.

**** Takes me back to Kenya, umpty years ago. Â*The Masai used to pull
down the copper telephone wire and make it into bracelets and
necklaces to sell to the tourists.

****(I guess now everybody uses cell phones? Â*No more copper wire?
Haven't been back in decades.)
[...]

HB

In the second and third worlds, where vast areas never got built out for
landlines, now they never will be. Prefab cell towers are just too
cheap. In areas so primitive that mains power never got built out,
powering them reliably is a challenge, as is the backhaul network.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

around here idiots are stealing the copper from power substations,
causing hazards and power outages
And frying their asses occaisionally when trying to remove it "hot"

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:18:31 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Sep 26, 10:33Â*pm, (Fake ID) wrote:
In article ,





wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Â*Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch
for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. Â*The buyers didn't steal
the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable operation of
their business. Â*It's also likely that alot of the stolen junk is
converted to meth well before it reaches the fixed-location buyer.

Even if you tried to protect your copper downspout-ed house by putting
it inisde a gated communited, some tweaker would steal the gate too.

m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Heh. I'm wondereing about selling my 50 gal barrel of copper house
wire. Stuff I stripped outof two demolition jobs, rewiring a house,
etc. All with the insulation burned off (yep, I'm a baaaad guy). Bet
I would get the third degree at the scrap yard.

That barrel is so heavy that I had to empty and refill it when I
needed to move the barrel.

Harry K
As long as you can substantiate where you got it - show you are a
contracor or whatever, they will take your name. drivers licence, etc
and give you a cheque. The cops will get your name at the end of the
month. Al least that's how it works up here.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE
wrote:

On Sep 26, 4:13Â*pm, (David Combs) wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Â*Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

2: What to replace the stolen one with? Â*Copper (god-awful
expensive, I guess). Â*Plastic? Â*Fiberglass? Â*Aluminum?
(I haven't yet gone to look at what's available, what
material they might be made of.)

Clearly, what with your and my economy going down fast
(while the rich and bankers get richer and richer, on
our money and taxes), I don't want anything worth stealing --
at least not like copper is.

Hey, as time goes on, this kind of thing is going to be
happening a lot more often. Â*Go out in the morning and
find your wheel-less car up on concrete blocks -- things like
that. Â*To say nothing of copper downspouts!

David

They even steal the aluminum ones around here. I replaced my
downspouts with rain chains.....lengths of stainless steel chain with
white LED lights. Look cool , dont clog with ice or leaves. Really
look nice when they freeze over but still remain functional.

Jimmie
ANd no-one's stolen them yet to try to steal the neighbour's car with
it??

On 9/27/2011 5:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:24:48 -0700 (PDT), bob
wrote:

On Sep 27, 2:39Â am, wrote:
On 9/27/2011 12:22 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:





On Sep 26, 1:13 pm, (David Combs) wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

****Sorry about the vandalism you have suffered.

**** Takes me back to Kenya, umpty years ago. Â The Masai used to pull
down the copper telephone wire and make it into bracelets and
necklaces to sell to the tourists.

****(I guess now everybody uses cell phones? Â No more copper wire?
Haven't been back in decades.)
[...]

HB

In the second and third worlds, where vast areas never got built out for
landlines, now they never will be. Prefab cell towers are just too
cheap. In areas so primitive that mains power never got built out,
powering them reliably is a challenge, as is the backhaul network.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

around here idiots are stealing the copper from power substations,
causing hazards and power outages
And frying their asses occaisionally when trying to remove it "hot"
And aside from the inconvenience to others when the lights go out, and
that said idiots probably have already reproduced, this is a problem
because?...

--
aem sends...

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:24:48 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

around here idiots are stealing the copper from power substations,
causing hazards and power outages

Hide the children before viewing this photo.

http://ashlianne.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/image003.jpg

Oren wrote:

Hide the children before viewing this photo.

Umm, wow.

That's the sort of thing you'd normally see on Liveleak (formerly
Ogrish).

Oren wrote:

Hide the children before viewing this photo.

With some reservation, for those of you so inclined, change the file
name of the jpg to see other pictures from this event.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:11:36 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Sep 27, 10:18Â*am, Harry K wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:33Â*pm, (Fake ID) wrote:





In article ,

wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Â*Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch
for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. Â*The buyers didn't steal
the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable operation of
their business. Â*It's also likely that alot of the stolen junk is
converted to meth well before it reaches the fixed-location buyer.

Even if you tried to protect your copper downspout-ed house by putting
it inisde a gated communited, some tweaker would steal the gate too.

m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Heh. Â*I'm wondereing about selling my 50 gal barrel of copper house
wire. Â*Stuff I stripped outof two demolition jobs, rewiring a house,
etc. Â*All with the insulation burned off (yep, I'm a baaaad guy). Â*Bet
I would get the third degree at the scrap yard.

That barrel is so heavy that I had to empty and refill it when I
needed to move the barrel.

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

copper around here is about 3 bucks per pound.

sell it now, the coming double dip recession will make it worth less
Copper will NEVER be worthless because it is an important industrial
metal. It may drop to $1.10 - but it will ALWAYS have reasonable
value.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:42:15 -0400, aemeijers
wrote:

On 9/27/2011 5:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:24:48 -0700 (PDT), bob
wrote:

On Sep 27, 2:39Â am, wrote:
On 9/27/2011 12:22 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:





On Sep 26, 1:13 pm, (David Combs) wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

****Sorry about the vandalism you have suffered.

**** Takes me back to Kenya, umpty years ago. Â The Masai used to pull
down the copper telephone wire and make it into bracelets and
necklaces to sell to the tourists.

****(I guess now everybody uses cell phones? Â No more copper wire?
Haven't been back in decades.)
[...]

HB

In the second and third worlds, where vast areas never got built out for
landlines, now they never will be. Prefab cell towers are just too
cheap. In areas so primitive that mains power never got built out,
powering them reliably is a challenge, as is the backhaul network.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

around here idiots are stealing the copper from power substations,
causing hazards and power outages
And frying their asses occaisionally when trying to remove it "hot"
And aside from the inconvenience to others when the lights go out, and
that said idiots probably have already reproduced, this is a problem
because?...
Because most of the beggars LIVE.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:58:36 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:11:36 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Sep 27, 10:18*am, Harry K wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:33*pm, (Fake ID) wrote:





In article ,

wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. *Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch
for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. *The buyers didn't steal
the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable operation of
their business. *It's also likely that alot of the stolen junk is
converted to meth well before it reaches the fixed-location buyer.

Even if you tried to protect your copper downspout-ed house by putting
it inisde a gated communited, some tweaker would steal the gate too.

m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Heh. *I'm wondereing about selling my 50 gal barrel of copper house
wire. *Stuff I stripped outof two demolition jobs, rewiring a house,
etc. *All with the insulation burned off (yep, I'm a baaaad guy). *Bet
I would get the third degree at the scrap yard.

That barrel is so heavy that I had to empty and refill it when I
needed to move the barrel.

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

copper around here is about 3 bucks per pound.

sell it now, the coming double dip recession will make it worth less
Copper will NEVER be worthless because it is an important industrial
metal. It may drop to $1.10 - but it will ALWAYS have reasonable
value.

worth less worthless

JIMMIE wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:13 pm, (David Combs) wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

2: What to replace the stolen one with? Copper (god-awful
expensive, I guess). Plastic? Fiberglass? Aluminum?
(I haven't yet gone to look at what's available, what
material they might be made of.)

Clearly, what with your and my economy going down fast
(while the rich and bankers get richer and richer, on
our money and taxes), I don't want anything worth stealing --
at least not like copper is.

Hey, as time goes on, this kind of thing is going to be
happening a lot more often. Go out in the morning and
find your wheel-less car up on concrete blocks -- things like
that. To say nothing of copper downspouts!

David

They even steal the aluminum ones around here. I replaced my
downspouts with rain chains.....lengths of stainless steel chain with
white LED lights. Look cool , dont clog with ice or leaves. Really
look nice when they freeze over but still remain functional.

I hate to tell you this, but stainless steel has significant recycle value also.

On Sep 27, 9:03*pm, "Bob F" wrote:
JIMMIE wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:13 pm, (David Combs) wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

2: What to replace the stolen one with? Copper (god-awful
expensive, I guess). Plastic? Fiberglass? Aluminum?
(I haven't yet gone to look at what's available, what
material they might be made of.)

Clearly, what with your and my economy going down fast
(while the rich and bankers get richer and richer, on
our money and taxes), I don't want anything worth stealing --
at least not like copper is.

Hey, as time goes on, this kind of thing is going to be
happening a lot more often. Go out in the morning and
find your wheel-less car up on concrete blocks -- things like
that. To say nothing of copper downspouts!

David

They even steal the aluminum ones around here. I replaced my
downspouts with rain chains.....lengths of stainless steel chain with
white LED lights. Look cool , dont clog with ice or leaves. Really
look nice when they freeze over but still remain functional.

I hate to tell you this, but stainless steel has significant recycle value also.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, much bettger than steel or iron. Kinda hard to cut though.

Harry K

On Sep 27, 2:18*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:18:31 -0700 (PDT), Harry K





wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:33*pm, (Fake ID) wrote:
In article ,

wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. *Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch
for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. *The buyers didn't steal
the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable operation of
their business. *It's also likely that alot of the stolen junk is
converted to meth well before it reaches the fixed-location buyer.

Even if you tried to protect your copper downspout-ed house by putting
it inisde a gated communited, some tweaker would steal the gate too.

m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Heh. *I'm wondereing about selling my 50 gal barrel of copper house
wire. *Stuff I stripped outof two demolition jobs, rewiring a house,
etc. *All with the insulation burned off (yep, I'm a baaaad guy). *Bet
I would get the third degree at the scrap yard.

That barrel is so heavy that I had to empty and refill it when I
needed to move the barrel.

Harry K

*As long as you can substantiate where you got it - show you are a
contracor or whatever, they will take your name. drivers licence, etc
and give you a cheque. The cops will get your name at the end of the
month. Al least that's how it works up here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Unfortunately I can't substantiate that. I am only a homeowner who
tore down some derelict buildings on my own property plus remodeled my
own house.

Harry K

In article ,
Harry K wrote:
On Sep 27, 2:18*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:18:31 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:33*pm, (Fake ID) wrote:
In article ,

wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. *Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch
for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. *The buyers didn't steal
the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable operation of
their business. *It's also likely that alot of the stolen junk is
converted to meth well before it reaches the fixed-location buyer.

Even if you tried to protect your copper downspout-ed house by putting
it inisde a gated communited, some tweaker would steal the gate too.

m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Heh. *I'm wondereing about selling my 50 gal barrel of copper house
wire. *Stuff I stripped outof two demolition jobs, rewiring a house,
etc. *All with the insulation burned off (yep, I'm a baaaad guy). *Bet
I would get the third degree at the scrap yard.

That barrel is so heavy that I had to empty and refill it when I
needed to move the barrel.

Harry K

*As long as you can substantiate where you got it - show you are a
contracor or whatever, they will take your name. drivers licence, etc
and give you a cheque. The cops will get your name at the end of the
month. Al least that's how it works up here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Unfortunately I can't substantiate that. I am only a homeowner who
tore down some derelict buildings on my own property plus remodeled my
own house.

Probably the same story every guy tells even if the barrel of copper is
accompanied by a copper downspouts, guard rails, utility poles, manhole
covers, and a bronze statue of Jebediah Springfield.

m

On Sep 27, 10:54*pm, (Fake ID) wrote:
In article ,
Harry K wrote:





On Sep 27, 2:18 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:18:31 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:33 pm, (Fake ID) wrote:
In article ,

wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch
for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. The buyers didn't steal
the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable operation of
their business. It's also likely that alot of the stolen junk is
converted to meth well before it reaches the fixed-location buyer.

Even if you tried to protect your copper downspout-ed house by putting
it inisde a gated communited, some tweaker would steal the gate too..

m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Heh. I'm wondereing about selling my 50 gal barrel of copper house
wire. Stuff I stripped outof two demolition jobs, rewiring a house,
etc. All with the insulation burned off (yep, I'm a baaaad guy). Bet
I would get the third degree at the scrap yard.

That barrel is so heavy that I had to empty and refill it when I
needed to move the barrel.

Harry K

As long as you can substantiate where you got it - show you are a
contracor or whatever, they will take your name. drivers licence, etc
and give you a cheque. The cops will get your name at the end of the
month. Al least that's how it works up here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Unfortunately I can't substantiate that. *I am only a homeowner who
tore down some derelict buildings on my own property plus remodeled my
own house.

Probably the same story every guy tells even if the barrel of copper is
accompanied by a copper downspouts, guard rails, utility poles, manhole
covers, and a bronze statue of Jebediah Springfield.

m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep. All I really have going is that a lot of it is in short
pieces. That barrel was 20 year accumulation...actually I still add
a piece or two now then as I need to do a bit of wiring in the shop.

Harry K

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:17:31 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Sep 27, 2:18Â*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:18:31 -0700 (PDT), Harry K





wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:33Â*pm, (Fake ID) wrote:
In article ,

wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. Â*Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch
for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. Â*The buyers didn't steal
the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable operation of
their business. Â*It's also likely that alot of the stolen junk is
converted to meth well before it reaches the fixed-location buyer.

Even if you tried to protect your copper downspout-ed house by putting
it inisde a gated communited, some tweaker would steal the gate too.

m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Heh. Â*I'm wondereing about selling my 50 gal barrel of copper house
wire. Â*Stuff I stripped outof two demolition jobs, rewiring a house,
etc. Â*All with the insulation burned off (yep, I'm a baaaad guy). Â*Bet
I would get the third degree at the scrap yard.

That barrel is so heavy that I had to empty and refill it when I
needed to move the barrel.

Harry K

Â*As long as you can substantiate where you got it - show you are a
contracor or whatever, they will take your name. drivers licence, etc
and give you a cheque. The cops will get your name at the end of the
month. Al least that's how it works up here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Unfortunately I can't substantiate that. I am only a homeowner who
tore down some derelict buildings on my own property plus remodeled my
own house.

Harry K
Still should not be a problem - you can establish who you are.

On Sep 28, 3:21*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:17:31 -0700 (PDT), Harry K





wrote:
On Sep 27, 2:18*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:18:31 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:33*pm, (Fake ID) wrote:
In article ,

wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:49:24 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

David Combs wrote:
We read how in Iraq, early on after the invasion, they
were tearing down power-lines for the valuable copper
they'd then sell.

Seems to be happening here too.

Someone stole one of the three 2-story+attic copper
downspouts. *Questions:

1: Any way to protect the other two (aside from sitting
outside all night (loaded for bear?)?

Get in touch with local metal recycling companies and ask them to watch
for your
spout.

As for LOCAL, 100 mile radius would be better - these jerks are often
out-of-town grab and run guys - often gang-bangers from the next major
metropolitan area.

I find it hard to belive that the buyers are not complicit with the
thievery in the sense that they recognize the who or what of hot junk.
With the amount of sellers these recyclers deal with even a one-time
drop by a taveling thief should be noticeable. *The buyers didn't steal
the junk and policing it interferes with the profitable operation of
their business. *It's also likely that alot of the stolen junk is
converted to meth well before it reaches the fixed-location buyer.

Even if you tried to protect your copper downspout-ed house by putting
it inisde a gated communited, some tweaker would steal the gate too..

m- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Heh. *I'm wondereing about selling my 50 gal barrel of copper house
wire. *Stuff I stripped outof two demolition jobs, rewiring a house,
etc. *All with the insulation burned off (yep, I'm a baaaad guy). *Bet
I would get the third degree at the scrap yard.

That barrel is so heavy that I had to empty and refill it when I
needed to move the barrel.

Harry K

*As long as you can substantiate where you got it - show you are a
contracor or whatever, they will take your name. drivers licence, etc
and give you a cheque. The cops will get your name at the end of the
month. Al least that's how it works up here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Unfortunately I can't substantiate that. *I am only a homeowner who
tore down some derelict buildings on my own property plus remodeled my
own house.

Harry K

*Still should not be a problem - you can establish who you are.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, that I can. Let's see.. 100 mile round trip, dtruck gets 13 mgp
on a good day, $3.90 a gallon... .

Harry K

In article , Home Guy wrote:
Oren wrote:

Hide the children before viewing this photo.

With some reservation, for those of you so inclined, change the file
name of the jpg to see other pictures from this event.

Please explain some more what you said about changing the file extension
from .jpg. Change to what? To what effect?

Thanks!

David

David Combs wrote:

With some reservation, for those of you so inclined, change the
file name of the jpg to see other pictures from this event.

Please explain some more what you said about changing the file
extension from .jpg. Change to what? To what effect?

I didn't say to change the extension.

The file name given in the link is image003.jpg.

Change the 3 to another number. If I remember correctly, the sequence
runs from 001 to 005.