Some discussion of Cu & AC thefts recently.


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On 8/1/2011 7:14 PM, Red Green wrote:
Some discussion of Cu& AC thefts recently.


http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/vi...n=fayetteville
Well, here in Tulsa thieves stole several hundred feet of
copper wire from a live power substation. They knocked out
power to thousands of people in the middle of a heat wave.
Personally I don't think I want to go cutting a live
wire at 7,000 volts or higher.

Bill

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http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/vi...heel=90634&sit
esection=fayetteville

My favorite part was where the one guy obviously had his mask down
around his neck. "Here's your sign"

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Bill Gill wrote in :

On 8/1/2011 7:14 PM, Red Green wrote:
Some discussion of Cu& AC thefts recently.


http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/vi...06&freewheel=9
0634&sitesection=fayetteville
Well, here in Tulsa thieves stole several hundred feet of
copper wire from a live power substation. They knocked out
power to thousands of people in the middle of a heat wave.
Personally I don't think I want to go cutting a live
wire at 7,000 volts or higher.

Bill


some theifs don't survive the attempt.... B-)

time to put anti-tamper mine fields around power substations.
Maybe exploding dye packs to stain the thieves and the stolen metal for
later identification.

thieves also steal brass pipe valves,air conditioner units,catalytic
converters from under PU trucks,and I've seen rebar cages around some of
those items to prevent theft.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On 8/2/2011 7:05 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:

thieves also steal brass pipe valves,air conditioner units,catalytic
converters from under PU trucks,and I've seen rebar cages around some of
those items to prevent theft.

We've had a rash of catalytic converter thefts around here. MY friend on
the next street over had his stolen from his 4Runner. Toyota trucks are
favorite targets. It takes them only a minute with a battery powered
reciprocating saw.

There are several solutions that make it enough of a pain to get the
converter that they move on to other targets.

http://www.catclamp.com/how.php
http://store.winner-intl.com/the-cat-cuff-p27.aspx
http://www.cat-lock.com/

None of these would deter a determined thief with unlimited time, but
are probably enough to get them to move down the street to the next vehicle.

I wound aircraft cable around mine and locked it to the frame. The
cables are difficult to cut with the reciprocating saw because they move
around so much when cutting. That's what the video of trying to saw a
Cat-Cuff also shows. A tight, immobile cable, is easy to cut.

On 8/2/2011 11:52 AM, SMS wrote:
On 8/2/2011 7:05 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:

thieves also steal brass pipe valves,air conditioner units,catalytic
converters from under PU trucks,and I've seen rebar cages around some of
those items to prevent theft.

We've had a rash of catalytic converter thefts around here. MY friend on
the next street over had his stolen from his 4Runner. Toyota trucks are
favorite targets. It takes them only a minute with a battery powered
reciprocating saw.

There are several solutions that make it enough of a pain to get the
converter that they move on to other targets.

http://www.catclamp.com/how.php
http://store.winner-intl.com/the-cat-cuff-p27.aspx
http://www.cat-lock.com/

None of these would deter a determined thief with unlimited time, but
are probably enough to get them to move down the street to the next
vehicle.

I wound aircraft cable around mine and locked it to the frame. The
cables are difficult to cut with the reciprocating saw because they move
around so much when cutting. That's what the video of trying to saw a
Cat-Cuff also shows. A tight, immobile cable, is easy to cut.

They KNOW the cure for scrap metal thieves- eliminate the market. Make
scrap yards keep log books and get ID from all walk-in sellers, about
like a pawn shop. Several states have put that into effect, and it seems
to work.

-- aem sends...

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:29:25 -0400, aemeijers wrote:

On 8/2/2011 11:52 AM, SMS wrote:
On 8/2/2011 7:05 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:

thieves also steal brass pipe valves,air conditioner units,catalytic
converters from under PU trucks,and I've seen rebar cages around some of
those items to prevent theft.

We've had a rash of catalytic converter thefts around here. MY friend on
the next street over had his stolen from his 4Runner. Toyota trucks are
favorite targets. It takes them only a minute with a battery powered
reciprocating saw.

There are several solutions that make it enough of a pain to get the
converter that they move on to other targets.

http://www.catclamp.com/how.php
http://store.winner-intl.com/the-cat-cuff-p27.aspx
http://www.cat-lock.com/

None of these would deter a determined thief with unlimited time, but
are probably enough to get them to move down the street to the next
vehicle.

I wound aircraft cable around mine and locked it to the frame. The
cables are difficult to cut with the reciprocating saw because they move
around so much when cutting. That's what the video of trying to saw a
Cat-Cuff also shows. A tight, immobile cable, is easy to cut.

They KNOW the cure for scrap metal thieves- eliminate the market. Make
scrap yards keep log books and get ID from all walk-in sellers, about
like a pawn shop. Several states have put that into effect, and it seems
to work.

It seems to be working down here. There was quite a rash of AC thefts a
couple of years ago but I've heard nothing in the (local) news recently.
As you note, just force the junk dealers to take IDs for any scrap bought over
the counter. Photographs would help, too.

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:29:25 -0400, aemeijers
wrote:

They KNOW the cure for scrap metal thieves- eliminate the market. Make
scrap yards keep log books and get ID from all walk-in sellers, about
like a pawn shop. Several states have put that into effect, and it seems
to work.

Las Vegas will (honorable scrap yards) take a thumb print, copy of
license and if the money paid reaches a set amount checks are issued
in lieu of cash.

Some crooks haul material to California instead.

Well, here in Tulsa thieves stole several hundred feet of
copper wire from a live power substation. They knocked out
power to thousands of people in the middle of a heat wave.
Personally I don't think I want to go cutting a live
wire at 7,000 volts or higher.


The electric company in my area has not seemed overly concerned about
wire theft from its power poles and substations. I wondered why they
were not doing anything???

Then I read about a few people getting electrocuted doing this...
Seems they know the problem will take care of itself over time!

On 8/2/2011 10:15 AM, Bill wrote:
Well, here in Tulsa thieves stole several hundred feet of
copper wire from a live power substation. They knocked out
power to thousands of people in the middle of a heat wave.
Personally I don't think I want to go cutting a live
wire at 7,000 volts or higher.


The electric company in my area has not seemed overly concerned about
wire theft from its power poles and substations. I wondered why they
were not doing anything???

Then I read about a few people getting electrocuted doing this... Seems
they know the problem will take care of itself over time!


The electric utilities should have traps set up with someone watching a
video monitor with their hand on a remote control to turn on the high
voltage when the vermin climbs over the fence. I can see substations
becoming giant bug zappers. ^_^

TDD

The Daring Dufas wrote in news:j2tmr6$a7c$1
@dont-email.me:

On 8/2/2011 10:15 AM, Bill wrote:
Well, here in Tulsa thieves stole several hundred feet of
copper wire from a live power substation. They knocked out
power to thousands of people in the middle of a heat wave.
Personally I don't think I want to go cutting a live
wire at 7,000 volts or higher.


The electric company in my area has not seemed overly concerned about
wire theft from its power poles and substations. I wondered why they
were not doing anything???

Then I read about a few people getting electrocuted doing this... Seems
they know the problem will take care of itself over time!


The electric utilities should have traps set up with someone watching a
video monitor with their hand on a remote control to turn on the high
voltage when the vermin climbs over the fence. I can see substations
becoming giant bug zappers. ^_^

TDD


It wouldn't require them to have someone watching. Just set up a web page
with a button that energizes it. The whole world will compete for the
winning click.

On 8/22/2011 3:00 PM, Red Green wrote:
The Daring wrote in news:j2tmr6$a7c$1
@dont-email.me:

On 8/2/2011 10:15 AM, Bill wrote:
Well, here in Tulsa thieves stole several hundred feet of
copper wire from a live power substation. They knocked out
power to thousands of people in the middle of a heat wave.
Personally I don't think I want to go cutting a live
wire at 7,000 volts or higher.


The electric company in my area has not seemed overly concerned about
wire theft from its power poles and substations. I wondered why they
were not doing anything???

Then I read about a few people getting electrocuted doing this... Seems
they know the problem will take care of itself over time!


The electric utilities should have traps set up with someone watching a
video monitor with their hand on a remote control to turn on the high
voltage when the vermin climbs over the fence. I can see substations
becoming giant bug zappers. ^_^

TDD


It wouldn't require them to have someone watching. Just set up a web page
with a button that energizes it. The whole world will compete for the
winning click.

Yea, like that Internet hunting site that had the disabled and shut-ins
shooting deer by remote control over The Web. ^_^

TDD

Bill Gill wrote:
On 8/1/2011 7:14 PM, Red Green wrote:
Some discussion of Cu& AC thefts recently.


http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/vi...n=fayetteville

Well, here in Tulsa thieves stole several hundred feet of
copper wire from a live power substation. They knocked out
power to thousands of people in the middle of a heat wave.
Personally I don't think I want to go cutting a live
wire at 7,000 volts or higher.

Bill
Hmm,
In China a guy got killed(zapped) trying to do that.

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:05:21 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote:



Bill Gill wrote:
On 8/1/2011 7:14 PM, Red Green wrote:
Some discussion of Cu& AC thefts recently.


http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/vi...n=fayetteville

Well, here in Tulsa thieves stole several hundred feet of
copper wire from a live power substation. They knocked out
power to thousands of people in the middle of a heat wave.
Personally I don't think I want to go cutting a live
wire at 7,000 volts or higher.

Bill
Hmm,
In China a guy got killed(zapped) trying to do that.

Closer to home, last month a guy tried to remove the feeds from what he assumed
was an abandoned factory in an industrial park here in NE PA.
Snap, crackle, pop and sizzle for him too.
General consensus around here was, "Gee. That's too bad."

On 8/3/2011 6:08 AM, JKevorkian wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:05:21 -0600, Tony wrote:



Bill Gill wrote:
On 8/1/2011 7:14 PM, Red Green wrote:
Some discussion of Cu& AC thefts recently.


http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/vi...n=fayetteville

Well, here in Tulsa thieves stole several hundred feet of
copper wire from a live power substation. They knocked out
power to thousands of people in the middle of a heat wave.
Personally I don't think I want to go cutting a live
wire at 7,000 volts or higher.

Bill
Hmm,
In China a guy got killed(zapped) trying to do that.

Closer to home, last month a guy tried to remove the feeds from what he assumed
was an abandoned factory in an industrial park here in NE PA.
Snap, crackle, pop and sizzle for him too.
General consensus around here was, "Gee. That's too bad."
Trouble is, he probably already reproduced.

-- aem sends....

JKevorkian wrote in
:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:05:21 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:



Bill Gill wrote:
On 8/1/2011 7:14 PM, Red Green wrote:
Some discussion of Cu& AC thefts recently.


http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/vi...2706&freewheel
=90634&sitesection=fayetteville

Well, here in Tulsa thieves stole several hundred feet of
copper wire from a live power substation. They knocked out
power to thousands of people in the middle of a heat wave.
Personally I don't think I want to go cutting a live
wire at 7,000 volts or higher.

Bill
Hmm,
In China a guy got killed(zapped) trying to do that.

Closer to home, last month a guy tried to remove the feeds from what
he assumed was an abandoned factory in an industrial park here in NE
PA. Snap, crackle, pop and sizzle for him too.
General consensus around here was, "Gee. That's too bad."

And closer to home here in VT, todays action.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...=2011108050313

On Aug 1, 8:14*pm, Red Green wrote:
Some discussion of Cu & AC thefts recently.

http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/vi...706&freewheel=....

Fools!

They should have taken the condensors too. If you pull the coil out
of the case you get $3.65 a pound.