http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out

On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 6:08:18 PM UTC+1, harry wrote:

http://euobserver.com/environment/117721

Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!

upgrades being considered to enable them to survive fukushimas - no news then

NT

wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 6:08:18 PM UTC+1, harry wrote:

http://euobserver.com/environment/117721

Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!

upgrades being considered to enable them to survive fukushimas - no news then


The number of times I've seen tidal waves sweep across Germany and
Switzerland...could be counted without using harry's brain cell.

NT


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On 02/10/2012 18:08, harry wrote:
http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out


Bit out of date as Japan is already U-turning

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN...e-0110124.html

newshound wrote:
On 02/10/2012 18:08, harry wrote:
http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out


Bit out of date as Japan is already U-turning

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN...e-0110124.html

yep. But also see the total dither their policy is in, from te same site.

Poor old Japs. public mistrust and panic and they know they will destroy
the country without nuclear power.


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Well of course most of Europe's reactors are knackered,
most of them are more than 40 years old. Things Wear Out.
How well is a 40-year-old morris minor managing compared
to a brand new (pick car of choice).

JGH

On 02/10/2012 20:37, wrote:
Well of course most of Europe's reactors are knackered,
most of them are more than 40 years old. Things Wear Out.
How well is a 40-year-old morris minor managing compared
to a brand new (pick car of choice).

JGH


Yup, and most of Europe's Nuclear Engineers too, for much the same reason

:-)

harry wrote:
http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!

Typical alarmist ********.
a 'defect' could be nothing more than a meter that someone put a
ladder through.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out


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"harry" wrote in message
...
http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out


I saw a 'news' item on the TV the other night where they were flying round
an offshore wind-farm in a helicopter. The reporter was trumpeting the
'advantages' of this bloody eyesore that went to the horizon, telling how at
full capacity, wind-farms such as this one could supply as many as 255,000
homes !!!!

I guess that's one medium sized city each, then. Until the middle of winter
when they are becalmed by a nice big blocking high that is typical of UK
winter weather patterns ...

The Observer article is typical ecobollox scaremongering. The contents of
this 'report' (more like a very well paid 'eurojob for the boys' at the
taxpayer's expense) have not even been released to say what exactly these
'defects' are, and in any case, the article reports that the leaked content
does not say that any single nuke should be shut down as a result of any of
the defects.

Crap journalism based on hearsay from undisclosed sources, doesn't deserve
the paper space that it's printed on ...

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:


"harry" wrote in message
...
http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out


I saw a 'news' item on the TV the other night where they were flying
round an offshore wind-farm in a helicopter. The reporter was trumpeting
the 'advantages' of this bloody eyesore that went to the horizon,
telling how at full capacity, wind-farms such as this one could supply
as many as 255,000 homes !!!!

I guess that's one medium sized city each, then. Until the middle of
winter when they are becalmed by a nice big blocking high that is
typical of UK winter weather patterns ...

The Observer article is typical ecobollox scaremongering. The contents
of this 'report' (more like a very well paid 'eurojob for the boys' at
the taxpayer's expense) have not even been released to say what exactly
these 'defects' are, and in any case, the article reports that the
leaked content does not say that any single nuke should be shut down as
a result of any of the defects.

Crap journalism based on hearsay from undisclosed sources, doesn't
deserve the paper space that it's printed on ...


http://www.templar.co.uk/downloads/R...imitations.pdf

Arfa


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On Oct 3, 9:49*am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out

I saw a 'news' item on the TV the other night where they were flying round
an offshore wind-farm in a helicopter. The reporter was trumpeting the
'advantages' of this bloody eyesore that went to the horizon, telling how at
full capacity, wind-farms such as this one could supply as many as 255,000
homes !!!!

I guess that's one medium sized city each, then. Until the middle of winter
when they are becalmed by a nice big blocking high that is typical of UK
winter weather patterns ...

The Observer article is typical ecobollox scaremongering. The contents of
this 'report' (more like a very well paid 'eurojob for the boys' at the
taxpayer's expense) have not even been released to say what exactly these
'defects' are, and in any case, the article reports that the leaked content
does not say that any single nuke should be shut down as a result of any of
the defects.

Crap journalism based on hearsay from undisclosed sources, doesn't deserve
the paper space that it's printed on ...

Arfa

Nobody is pretending renewable energy is convenient. But it's all we
have left.

harry wrote:
On Oct 3, 9:49 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out
I saw a 'news' item on the TV the other night where they were flying round
an offshore wind-farm in a helicopter. The reporter was trumpeting the
'advantages' of this bloody eyesore that went to the horizon, telling how at
full capacity, wind-farms such as this one could supply as many as 255,000
homes !!!!

I guess that's one medium sized city each, then. Until the middle of winter
when they are becalmed by a nice big blocking high that is typical of UK
winter weather patterns ...

The Observer article is typical ecobollox scaremongering. The contents of
this 'report' (more like a very well paid 'eurojob for the boys' at the
taxpayer's expense) have not even been released to say what exactly these
'defects' are, and in any case, the article reports that the leaked content
does not say that any single nuke should be shut down as a result of any of
the defects.

Crap journalism based on hearsay from undisclosed sources, doesn't deserve
the paper space that it's printed on ...

Arfa

Nobody is pretending renewable energy is convenient. But it's all we
have left.

well harry it simply isn't.
And if it is, civilisation as we know it stops.

Sid someone bring your solar panels on horseback from China?


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In message
,
harry writes
On Oct 3, 9:49*am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out

I saw a 'news' item on the TV the other night
the article reports that the leaked content
does not say that any single nuke should be shut down as a result of any of
the defects.

Crap journalism based on hearsay from undisclosed sources, doesn't deserve
the paper space that it's printed on ...

Arfa

Nobody is pretending renewable energy is convenient. But it's all we
have left.


Bit of a change of tack there harry, old boy

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On Oct 3, 8:53*pm, geoff wrote:
In message
,
harry writes









On Oct 3, 9:49 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

....

http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out

I saw a 'news' item on the TV the other night
the article reports that the leaked content
does not say that any single nuke should be shut down as a result of any of
the defects.

Crap journalism based on hearsay from undisclosed sources, doesn't deserve
the paper space that it's printed on ...

Arfa

Nobody is pretending renewable energy is convenient. But it's all we
have left.

Bit of a change of tack there harry, old boy

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geoff

I don't think so. I believe in logic. In ten years fossil fuels will
be incredibly expensive. Even five years.
Nuclear is the most expensive of all. Unreliable, expensive,
potentially dangerous and unsolved waste disposal problems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear..._Kingdom#Costs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Nuclear_power_in_the_United_Kingdom#Future_power_s tations

There's a lot of dopey people can't see the problems we're going to
have in the near future. Petrol heads and the like.
All these coming technologies are going to be expensive and
inconvenient.
We all have to use less,ie be more efficiient

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Oct 3, 8:53 pm, geoff wrote:
In message
,
harry writes









On Oct 3, 9:49 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out

I saw a 'news' item on the TV the other night
the article reports that the leaked content
does not say that any single nuke should be shut down as a result of
any of
the defects.

Crap journalism based on hearsay from undisclosed sources, doesn't
deserve
the paper space that it's printed on ...

Arfa

Nobody is pretending renewable energy is convenient. But it's all we
have left.

Bit of a change of tack there harry, old boy

--
geoff

I don't think so. I believe in logic. In ten years fossil fuels will
be incredibly expensive. Even five years.
Nuclear is the most expensive of all. Unreliable, expensive,
potentially dangerous and unsolved waste disposal problems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear..._Kingdom#Costs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Nuclear_power_in_the_United_Kingdom#Future_power_s tations

There's a lot of dopey people can't see the problems we're going to
have in the near future. Petrol heads and the like.
All these coming technologies are going to be expensive and
inconvenient.
We all have to use less,ie be more efficiient


That's (eco)bollox. There's nothing unreliable or expensive about nuclear,
and nothing any more dangerous (I note the qualifier of "potentially" that
you slipped in there) than many other things in life. There are solutions to
disposal of the waste, much of which is low level anyway, but people like
you keep insisting that it's a major problem. We are *never* going to
replace our energy needs with any of this 'toy' green stuff, and it's time
that everybody grew up, mannned up, and did something positive about it, and
that something, for the foreseeable future at least, is to build some nukes
....

Arfa

On 04/10/2012 07:11, harry wrote:
....
I don't think so. I believe in logic. In ten years fossil fuels will
be incredibly expensive.

A recent study at Harvard concluded that current projects in hand to
develop new sources should result in a significant drop in oil prices by
2030 and that only accounts for 40% of the projects in hand. The
remaining 60% are set to mature after 2030. Even the news that China is
likely to reduce its demand saw a $3 a barrel fall in prices yesterday.

Nuclear is the most expensive of all.

Using whole life analysis, from breaking ground to removing the fully
decommissioned reactor, nuclear costs about the same as coal and half to
one third of the cost per TWh per year of operation of wind energy.

Unreliable, expensive,
potentially dangerous

The safest generation system per TWh by far, even assuming 4,000 people
will eventually have their live shortened as a result of Chernobyl.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/dea...gy-source.html

and unsolved waste disposal problems.

Fast consumer reactors provide a solution, although I won't hold my
breath waiting for anybody to build one as part of a planned nuclear
programme.

Colin Bignell

harry wrote:
On Oct 3, 8:53 pm, geoff wrote:
In message
,
harry writes









On Oct 3, 9:49 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message
...
http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out
I saw a 'news' item on the TV the other night
the article reports that the leaked content
does not say that any single nuke should be shut down as a result of any of
the defects.
Crap journalism based on hearsay from undisclosed sources, doesn't deserve
the paper space that it's printed on ...
Arfa
Nobody is pretending renewable energy is convenient. But it's all we
have left.
Bit of a change of tack there harry, old boy

--
geoff

I don't think so. I believe in logic.

No you believe in lies.

In ten years fossil fuels will
be incredibly expensive. Even five years.
Nuclear is the most expensive of all.

No its half the price of any reneawble in real terms.

Unreliable, expensive,

Rerliable and cheap.

potentially dangerous and unsolved waste disposal problems.

Nut at leats they CAN be solved unlike the problems of reneable energy
which are intrinsicly isnoluble


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear..._Kingdom#Costs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Nuclear_power_in_the_United_Kingdom#Future_power_s tations


written by anti-nuclear lobbyists

Try http://www.templar.co.uk/downloads/R...imitations.pdf

for the reasons why you and people like you are either stupid, liars or
engaged in deliberate fraud. (or in your case, probably all three)

There's a lot of dopey people can't see the problems we're going to
have in the near future.

And you exemplify them.

Petrol heads and the like.

Oh purrlease!

All these coming technologies are going to be expensive and
inconvenient.

And in the case of renewables, useless into the bargain, too. At least
nuclear power works reliably and has done for years.

We all have to use less,ie be more efficiient

No we dont.


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diminishing number of producers.

I don't think so. I believe in logic. In ten years fossil fuels will
be incredibly expensive. Even five years.

Oh really. People have been saying that for over forty years, but in
real terms the prices have hardly changed. And that's *before*
considering efficiency improvements.

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:11:06 AM UTC+1, harry wrote:

I believe in logic.

That you apparently can't see the tragic irony of that sentence speaks volumes.

On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:39:19 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Nobody is pretending renewable energy is convenient. But it's all we
have left.

No it isn't we can start burning people like you, unwashed rabid
environmentalists. Of course there will be serious issues with noxious
emissions but it is essentially a carbon neutral process and compared to relying
on solar panels it is a far the more ethical alternative.

--

"The Other Mike" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:39:19 -0700 (PDT), harry

wrote:

Nobody is pretending renewable energy is convenient. But it's all we
have left.

No it isn't we can start burning people like you, unwashed rabid
environmentalists. Of course there will be serious issues with noxious
emissions but it is essentially a carbon neutral process and compared to
relying
on solar panels it is a far the more ethical alternative.

--


Might not be totally zero impact, Mike. Think of all the hot air that would
be released. Sure to swing a major climate change for at least a century ...

Arfa

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 02:16:32 +0100, "Arfa Daily" wrote:



"The Other Mike" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:39:19 -0700 (PDT), harry

wrote:

Nobody is pretending renewable energy is convenient. But it's all we
have left.

No it isn't we can start burning people like you, unwashed rabid
environmentalists. Of course there will be serious issues with noxious
emissions but it is essentially a carbon neutral process and compared to
relying
on solar panels it is a far the more ethical alternative.


Might not be totally zero impact, Mike. Think of all the hot air that would
be released. Sure to swing a major climate change for at least a century ...

But the long term trend in hot air wil be down as increasing numbers take it on
themselves to destroy their panels and pay back the FIT payments to the members
of the public they stole it from.

They have a choice, a bank account stuffed with money and death at the hands of
an angry mob, or nice clean energy from nuclear power.





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"harry" wrote in message
...
On Oct 3, 9:49 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

http://euobserver.com/environment/117721
Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out

I saw a 'news' item on the TV the other night where they were flying
round
an offshore wind-farm in a helicopter. The reporter was trumpeting the
'advantages' of this bloody eyesore that went to the horizon, telling how
at
full capacity, wind-farms such as this one could supply as many as
255,000
homes !!!!

I guess that's one medium sized city each, then. Until the middle of
winter
when they are becalmed by a nice big blocking high that is typical of UK
winter weather patterns ...

The Observer article is typical ecobollox scaremongering. The contents of
this 'report' (more like a very well paid 'eurojob for the boys' at the
taxpayer's expense) have not even been released to say what exactly these
'defects' are, and in any case, the article reports that the leaked
content
does not say that any single nuke should be shut down as a result of any
of
the defects.

Crap journalism based on hearsay from undisclosed sources, doesn't
deserve
the paper space that it's printed on ...

Arfa

Nobody is pretending renewable energy is convenient. But it's all we
have left.


Of course it bloody isn't ! What a stupid statement. It isn't convenient
because it doesn't serve the purpose that it's pretending to, and never
actually can. It's not an eco-friendly replacement technology for
conventional power generation, it's an eco-bollox substitute, and a very
poor one at that. The only sensible answer to make us self sufficient in
power again, with a zero carbon impact - if that is in fact of any actual
consequence - is to build some new nukes.

Arfa

On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 6:08:18 PM UTC+1, harry wrote:
http://euobserver.com/environment/117721 Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out

"...defects have been found throughout Europe’s nuclear reactors and mostly in France"

Presumably the defects are "mostly in France" because most of Europe's reactors are in France. It doesn't mean the French are bad at maintaining reactors.

Robert

RobertL wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 6:08:18 PM UTC+1, harry wrote:
http://euobserver.com/environment/117721 Good job the Germans have plenty of wind turbines! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out

"...defects have been found throughout Europes nuclear reactors and mostly in France"

Presumably the defects are "mostly in France" because most of Europe's reactors are in France. It doesn't mean the French are bad at maintaining reactors.

Robert

What it means is that France, by demonstrating a lower carbon footprint
per MWh generated than any other EU country except those that are
nuclear and hydro as well,. is in grave danger of demonstrating that
Germany's massive 'investment' in 'renewable energy' which has not
resulted in any overall noticeable reduction in carbon footprint of
their electrical plant (but has trebled the cost to the consumer, who
subsidies german industrial electricity thereby) has to be shown to be
WRONG or Siemens will not be able to sell any more windmills and, having
got out of nuclear all together, will be ****ed. And Germany with it.

In short its total black propaganda from the renewable and gas lobby.

As per usual.

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