http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the times
--
Adam

ARW wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the times
Oh..no not more than 1700 years surely?

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members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

"ARW" wrote in message
...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the times

You might think that but I suspect that people from the 18th century would
disagree

tim

tim..... wrote:
"ARW" wrote in message
...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the
times

You might think that but I suspect that people from the 18th century
would disagree

It's a free country. They are allowed their say on such matters.
--
Adam

On 01/09/2012 17:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
ARW wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the times
Oh..no not more than 1700 years surely?


Less than that, as the Roman Church only really took on a separate
identity from the Orthodox Church around the ninth century.

Colin Bignell

In message , Tim
Streater writes
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:

On 01/09/2012 17:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
ARW wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the times
Oh..no not more than 1700 years surely?

Less than that, as the Roman Church only really took on a separate
identity from the Orthodox Church around the ninth century.

Those Orthodox countries have the right idea: one church per country,
run independently of the others. The problems the Catholics have all
stem from it being a monolithic institution.


No - the problem is the belief in a non-existent deity


--
geoff

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:58:50 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article ,
Nightjar wrote:

On 01/09/2012 17:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
ARW wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the
times
Oh..no not more than 1700 years surely?

Less than that, as the Roman Church only really took on a separate
identity from the Orthodox Church around the ninth century.

Those Orthodox countries have the right idea: one church per country,
run independently of the others. The problems the Catholics have all
stem from it being a monolithic institution.

How many churches (effectively, countries according to your suggestion) in
pre-unification (Risorgimento) Italy? Or pre-unification Germany?

And precisely how do you get the churches to pop in and out of existence
in step, even approximately, with the countries?

There might be even more difficult situations when countries split -
Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, USSR to put forward a few recent ones.

Macdonian Catholic Church anyone? Is that formerly part of Yugoslavia or
the one that is not-quite-cemented to the rest of Greece?

--
Rod

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:56:56 +0100, ARW wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the times

He was probably ruing the fact that it's been about 200 years since
religion had full control of the masses.

People are slowly getting a clue.

In message , RickS
writes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:56:56 +0100, ARW wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the times

He was probably ruing the fact that it's been about 200 years since
religion had full control of the masses.

People are slowly getting a clue.

However, there's an uncomfortable rise in fundamentalism, both Xtian and
Islamic

We seem to be slipping out of an age of enlightenment


--
geoff

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 22:23:40 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , RickS
writes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:56:56 +0100, ARW wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the
times

He was probably ruing the fact that it's been about 200 years since
religion had full control of the masses.

People are slowly getting a clue.

However, there's an uncomfortable rise in fundamentalism, both Xtian and
Islamic

We seem to be slipping out of an age of enlightenment

Has there been a rise? I couldn't possibly say one way or the other.
I would have imagined that there have been religious mentalists of one
form or another since Adam was a lad.

There is a massive Muslim contingent in the area I live and over the
years I see them becoming generally more westernised.

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 22:23:40 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , RickS
writes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:56:56 +0100, ARW wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the
times

He was probably ruing the fact that it's been about 200 years since
religion had full control of the masses.

People are slowly getting a clue.

However, there's an uncomfortable rise in fundamentalism, both Xtian and
Islamic

We seem to be slipping out of an age of enlightenment

Climatism seems to be the worst....



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http://www.mirrorservice.org

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In message , R D S
writes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 22:23:40 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , RickS
writes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:56:56 +0100, ARW wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the
times

He was probably ruing the fact that it's been about 200 years since
religion had full control of the masses.

People are slowly getting a clue.

However, there's an uncomfortable rise in fundamentalism, both Xtian and
Islamic

We seem to be slipping out of an age of enlightenment

Has there been a rise? I couldn't possibly say one way or the other.
I would have imagined that there have been religious mentalists of one
form or another since Adam was a lad.

There is a massive Muslim contingent in the area I live and over the
years I see them becoming generally more westernised.

I'm talking worldwide

America seems to be slipping back into the dark ages, and afghanistan
and iraq and Israel before that are giving Islamic fundamentalism a
boost worldwide

I can't even buy beer in my local supermarket in Indonesia now because
they are scared of repercussions


--
geoff

In message , Bob Eager
writes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 22:23:40 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , RickS
writes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:56:56 +0100, ARW wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the
times

He was probably ruing the fact that it's been about 200 years since
religion had full control of the masses.

People are slowly getting a clue.

However, there's an uncomfortable rise in fundamentalism, both Xtian and
Islamic

We seem to be slipping out of an age of enlightenment

Climatism seems to be the worst....

All part of the herd mentality of the lost and lonely


--
geoff

geoff wrote:
In message , Bob Eager
writes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 22:23:40 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , RickS
writes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:56:56 +0100, ARW wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the
times

He was probably ruing the fact that it's been about 200 years since
religion had full control of the masses.

People are slowly getting a clue.

However, there's an uncomfortable rise in fundamentalism, both Xtian and
Islamic

We seem to be slipping out of an age of enlightenment

Climatism seems to be the worst....

All part of the herd mentality of the lost and lonely


That's an interesting thought.

For sure people onlyy listen to what they want to hear.



--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
geoff wrote:
In message , Bob Eager
writes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 22:23:40 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , RickS
writes
On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:56:56 +0100, ARW wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439

They are 2000 years behind the times and not 200 years behind the
times

He was probably ruing the fact that it's been about 200 years since
religion had full control of the masses.

People are slowly getting a clue.

However, there's an uncomfortable rise in fundamentalism, both Xtian and
Islamic

We seem to be slipping out of an age of enlightenment

Climatism seems to be the worst....

All part of the herd mentality of the lost and lonely


That's an interesting thought.

For sure people onlyy listen to what they want to hear.

I think it's worse than that.
Seemingly increasing numbers of people without the ability to
think for themselves, because they don't have even the most basic
knowledge and education to search out and understand issues, latch
onto something at random for which "herd mentality" seems to be a
very fitting description.

--
Andrew Gabriel
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