London air space simulated ;-)

http://www.tomscott.com/olympics/

Cheers
Adam

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Adam Aglionby writes
London air space simulated ;-)

http://www.tomscott.com/olympics/

Fookin brilliant!

Terrorists foiled: 0
Civilians killed: 3080

Play while you can, this will be pulled in no time.
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

On 18/05/2012 13:00, fred wrote:
In article
,
Adam Aglionby writes
London air space simulated ;-)

http://www.tomscott.com/olympics/

Fookin brilliant!

Terrorists foiled: 0
Civilians killed: 3080

Only 3080? You're not trying hard enough.

Colin Bignell

Adam Aglionby wrote:

London air space simulated ;-)

http://www.tomscott.com/olympics/

Cheers
Adam

Fecking genius

--
Tim Watts

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 04:27:38 -0700 (PDT), Adam Aglionby
wrote:

London air space simulated ;-)

http://www.tomscott.com/olympics/

Use of Olympics infringes copyright.

Many of the V1s shot down by anti aircraft guns fell on houses killing
the occupants.
--
I agree this is not often mentioned, as one who lived on the outskirts of
Maidstone for the whole of the second world war. I speak from experience.
Even with the films of aerial combat you never see a shot down plane crash
into a house.
Robbie
Martin

On 18/05/2012 13:39, Roberts wrote:

Many of the V1s shot down by anti aircraft guns fell on houses killing
the occupants.

I agree this is not often mentioned, as one who lived on the outskirts of
Maidstone for the whole of the second world war. I speak from experience.
Even with the films of aerial combat you never see a shot down plane crash
into a house.
Robbie

I did wonder about that. I also wondered about all the lead bits flying
through the air - where did they go? (down, obviously, but they're never
mentioned).

Clive George wrote:
On 18/05/2012 13:39, Roberts wrote:

Many of the V1s shot down by anti aircraft guns fell on houses killing
the occupants.

I agree this is not often mentioned, as one who lived on the outskirts of
Maidstone for the whole of the second world war. I speak from experience.
Even with the films of aerial combat you never see a shot down plane
crash
into a house.
Robbie

I did wonder about that. I also wondered about all the lead bits flying
through the air - where did they go? (down, obviously, but they're never
mentioned).

well shrapnel obviously did kill people: but no one was counting whose
it was. Blame it on Jerry every time.

Largely planes were NOT engaged over London, but over more rural areas.

statistically the chances of a plane landing on a house are quite slim
BUT of course AA gunnery probably did bring planes down over and into
London, but at night, it might as well have been a german bomb anyway.


You dint tell people 'sorry, your mom got killed by a british/german
aircraft landing on her head as a result of friednly/hostile fire
bringing it down'

Also firing bullets into the air does mean you have no idea where one
ends up. I'd imagine a 303 caliber M/G round is lethal at several miles

But by and large most stuff that blows up aloft comes down fairly slowly.


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

On 18/05/2012 14:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
....
statistically the chances of a plane landing on a house are quite slim
BUT of course AA gunnery probably did bring planes down over and into
London, but at night,

Although their main job was not to shoot aircraft down, but to make
accurate bombing difficult and to discourage bombers from entering the
defended zone. A Ministry of Information booklet on air defence claimed
that up to half the bomber force in any attack on London would turn back
before entering the AA zone.

Colin Bignell

Nightjar wrote:
On 18/05/2012 14:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...
statistically the chances of a plane landing on a house are quite slim
BUT of course AA gunnery probably did bring planes down over and into
London, but at night,

Although their main job was not to shoot aircraft down, but to make
accurate bombing difficult and to discourage bombers from entering the
defended zone.

What utter ******** you do talk.

A Ministry of Information booklet on air defence claimed
that up to half the bomber force in any attack on London would turn back
before entering the AA zone.


Minstry of propaganda as it was later known...

Colin Bignell


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

Nightjar wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote

statistically the chances of a plane landing on a house are quite slim
BUT of course AA gunnery probably did bring planes down over and into
London, but at night,

Although their main job was not to shoot aircraft down, but to make
accurate bombing difficult and to discourage bombers from entering the
defended zone. A Ministry of Information booklet on air defence claimed
that up to half the bomber force in any attack on London would turn back
before entering the AA zone.

And its very far from clear if that claim could be substantiated.

It isnt accurate about our own bombing except for that weasel 'up to' line.

On 18/05/2012 15:16, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 14:51:46 +0100, Nightjar
wrote:

On 18/05/2012 14:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...
statistically the chances of a plane landing on a house are quite slim
BUT of course AA gunnery probably did bring planes down over and into
London, but at night,

Although their main job was not to shoot aircraft down, but to make
accurate bombing difficult and to discourage bombers from entering the
defended zone. A Ministry of Information booklet on air defence claimed
that up to half the bomber force in any attack on London would turn back
before entering the AA zone.

AA was specifically located in "boxes" along the east coast as far
north as Bridlington to bring down V1s. They were very successful at
it.

That was a different and later campaign. Bombers raids on Britain were
mainly in the first couple of years of the war, with casualties of
54,206 in 1940 and 42,722 in 1941, which dropped to 7,387 in 1942 and
5,822 in 1943. The V weapons increased them to 30,499 in 1944.

Colin Bignell

On 18/05/2012 13:46, Clive George wrote:
On 18/05/2012 13:39, Roberts wrote:

Many of the V1s shot down by anti aircraft guns fell on houses killing
the occupants.

I agree this is not often mentioned, as one who lived on the outskirts of
Maidstone for the whole of the second world war. I speak from experience.
Even with the films of aerial combat you never see a shot down plane
crash
into a house.

It didn't happen that often. If the pilot was alive, he would try to set
down on open ground and even if the aircraft was simply falling from the
sky, even in a densely populated area it would be more likely to hit
open ground than a house. V1s were a different matter, as they carried a
very large warhead and, unlike bombs still in a bomber, it would be
armed when it hit.

In any case, the majority of enemy aircraft were shot down by fighters,
who mostly operated over the Channel and open countryside.

I did wonder about that. I also wondered about all the lead bits flying
through the air - where did they go? (down, obviously, but they're never
mentioned).

Why do you think Air Raid Wardens, Home Guard and Police, who had to be
outside when raids were on, wore steel helmets?

Colin Bignell

Nightjar wrote:
On 18/05/2012 13:46, Clive George wrote:
On 18/05/2012 13:39, Roberts wrote:

Many of the V1s shot down by anti aircraft guns fell on houses killing
the occupants.

I agree this is not often mentioned, as one who lived on the
outskirts of
Maidstone for the whole of the second world war. I speak from
experience.
Even with the films of aerial combat you never see a shot down plane
crash
into a house.

It didn't happen that often. If the pilot was alive, he would try to set
down on open ground and even if the aircraft was simply falling from the
sky, even in a densely populated area it would be more likely to hit
open ground than a house. V1s were a different matter, as they carried a
very large warhead and, unlike bombs still in a bomber, it would be
armed when it hit.

In any case, the majority of enemy aircraft were shot down by fighters,
who mostly operated over the Channel and open countryside.

I did wonder about that. I also wondered about all the lead bits flying
through the air - where did they go? (down, obviously, but they're never
mentioned).

Why do you think Air Raid Wardens, Home Guard and Police, who had to be
outside when raids were on, wore steel helmets?


To protect themselves from falling buildings and/or pigeon ****?


Colin Bignell


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

On 18/05/2012 15:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Nightjar wrote:
....
Why do you think Air Raid Wardens, Home Guard and Police, who had to
be outside when raids were on, wore steel helmets?


To protect themselves from falling buildings and/or pigeon ****?

I rather doubt that any helmet is much use against a falling building,
but steel helmets did the same job in WW2 as they were introduced for in
WW1: to protect from shrapnel from air-burst shells, although in WW2 it
was our shells, not the enemy's.

Colin Bignell

On Fri, 18 May 2012 13:46:45 +0100, Clive George wrote:

I did wonder about that. I also wondered about all the lead bits flying
through the air - where did they go? (down, obviously, but they're never
mentioned).

Down as you say, my late father was in Birmingham during the war. He
had tales of having to shelter in terraced housing back entries as
the debris from the ack ack rained down...

--
Cheers
Dave.

Roberts wrote:
I agree this is not often mentioned, as one who lived on the outskirts of
Maidstone for the whole of the second world war. I speak from experience.
Even with the films of aerial combat you never see a shot down plane crash
into a house.

There's that missing scene from the end of Return of the Jedi
where bits of burning deathstar plummet out of the sky and
leave Endor a devasted wasteland.

JGH

On 18/05/2012 15:12, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 13:39:06 +0100, wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 04:27:38 -0700 (PDT), Adam Aglionby
wrote:

London air space simulated ;-)

http://www.tomscott.com/olympics/

Use of Olympics infringes copyright.

Many of the V1s shot down by anti aircraft guns fell on houses killing
the occupants.
--
I agree this is not often mentioned, as one who lived on the outskirts of
Maidstone for the whole of the second world war. I speak from experience.
Even with the films of aerial combat you never see a shot down plane crash
into a house.

I found a book, in a binaries e-book group about V1s that is full of
photos of V1s that were shot down, that fell on houses.
They were shot down mainly by mainly by anti aircraft fire. Others
were brought down by barrage balloons.
I didn't know that the V1s were air launched from Heinkel bombers
over the North Sea, after all the launching ramps had been destroyed.

The book is Air Launched Doodlebus, the forgotten campaign, by Peter J
Smith published in 2006.

I was under the impression that the air launched versions were developed
to allow them to attack targets out of range of the land based launchers.

Manned V1s were also built, although never used. The pilot was provided
with an ejector seat, although it probably didn't improve the chances of
survival that much.

Colin Bignell

Nightjar wrote:
On 18/05/2012 15:12, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 13:39:06 +0100, wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 May 2012 04:27:38 -0700 (PDT), Adam Aglionby
wrote:

London air space simulated ;-)

http://www.tomscott.com/olympics/

Use of Olympics infringes copyright.

Many of the V1s shot down by anti aircraft guns fell on houses killing
the occupants.
--
I agree this is not often mentioned, as one who lived on the
outskirts of
Maidstone for the whole of the second world war. I speak from
experience.
Even with the films of aerial combat you never see a shot down plane
crash
into a house.

I found a book, in a binaries e-book group about V1s that is full of
photos of V1s that were shot down, that fell on houses.
They were shot down mainly by mainly by anti aircraft fire. Others
were brought down by barrage balloons.
I didn't know that the V1s were air launched from Heinkel bombers
over the North Sea, after all the launching ramps had been destroyed.

The book is Air Launched Doodlebus, the forgotten campaign, by Peter J
Smith published in 2006.

I was under the impression that the air launched versions were developed
to allow them to attack targets out of range of the land based launchers.

Manned V1s were also built, although never used.

At least one was flown IIRC by a female test pilot to help solve
stability issues.

Ah Hannah Reitsch:

"Seventy of the V-1s equipped with cockpits for piloted flight were
ordered, to be built by Fieseler and designated as the Fi-103
Reichenberg. This manned version of the V-1 proved easy to fly but
glided like a brick and was tricky to land on its skid because of its
very high landing speed and tendency to ground-loop.

One factor that caused problems with the V-1 as a cruise missile was
related to vibrations imparted to the airframe by its power plant. The
pulse-jet engine developed thrust through very closely placed machine
gun-like explosions, thus the nickname 'buzz bomb.' In the course of
test flights, Reitsch was able to identify this problem, and she may
also have contributed to improving the V-1's accuracy.

In the Fi-103 test plane, the cockpit was directly in front of the
engine intake. It was assumed that in the event of an emergency during
test flights, the pilot would be able to open the canopy and bail out.
In point of fact, it is more than likely that the exiting pilot could
not survive if the engine was running. Two of the seven Fi-103
instructors were killed, and four were injured. Reitsch was the only one
of the group to survive the test program without injury."


The pilot was provided
with an ejector seat, although it probably didn't improve the chances of
survival that much.



Indeed.



Colin Bignell


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

On 18/05/2012 16:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
....
At least one was flown IIRC by a female test pilot to help solve
stability issues.

Ah Hannah Reitsch:...

A remarkable and apparently quite fearless woman. She did a lot of
testing of experimental aircraft and flew a helicopter inside the hall
of the Berlin Motor Show in 1938. She also managed to fly into and out
of Berlin, landing on a road in the Tiergarten, during the Russian
assault on the city.

Colin Bignell

On 18/05/2012 17:27, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 15:47:40 +0100, Nightjar
wrote:

On 18/05/2012 15:12, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 13:39:06 +0100, wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 May 2012 04:27:38 -0700 (PDT), Adam Aglionby
wrote:

London air space simulated ;-)

http://www.tomscott.com/olympics/

Use of Olympics infringes copyright.

Many of the V1s shot down by anti aircraft guns fell on houses killing
the occupants.
--
I agree this is not often mentioned, as one who lived on the outskirts of
Maidstone for the whole of the second world war. I speak from experience.
Even with the films of aerial combat you never see a shot down plane crash
into a house.

I found a book, in a binaries e-book group about V1s that is full of
photos of V1s that were shot down, that fell on houses.
They were shot down mainly by mainly by anti aircraft fire. Others
were brought down by barrage balloons.
I didn't know that the V1s were air launched from Heinkel bombers
over the North Sea, after all the launching ramps had been destroyed.

The book is Air Launched Doodlebus, the forgotten campaign, by Peter J
Smith published in 2006.

I was under the impression that the air launched versions were developed
to allow them to attack targets out of range of the land based launchers.

Your impression was wrong.

Even though air launched V1s were fired at Manchester, which was about
90 miles beyond the range of any ground launched V1?

Colin Bignell

On Fri, 18 May 2012 16:12:45 +0200, Martin wrote:

The book is Air Launched Doodlebus, the forgotten campaign, by Peter J
Smith published in 2006.

Found it; looks interesting, ta.

Martin wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 04:27:38 -0700 (PDT), Adam Aglionby
wrote:

London air space simulated ;-)

http://www.tomscott.com/olympics/

Use of Olympics infringes copyright.

Many of the V1s shot down by anti aircraft guns fell on houses killing
the occupants.

Unlikely as they normally blew up when they got a proximity fused shell
detonating nearby.

barrage balloons and fighters 'tipping' them were more likely to see
them go bang on the ground.


--
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.