BartC wrote
Rod Speed wrote
BartC wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Andy Burns wrote

or a motorised one if you want "the lot", why would someone choose
multiple dishes?

When they want to record or watch from more than one at once.

I could get nearly a thousand channels on my dish, but I struggled to
find even one channel worth watching, let alone want to record.

I watch almost nothing live, watch everything from recorded, so I can
skip over the ads, even on the national govt broadcasters
and so I can watch it when I want to rather than when they choose
to broadcast it. The only thing I do watch live is the national govt
evening TV news and even then only till the sport starts.

I use terrestrial broadcasts too, but I don't need a dish for those; the
dish was for European broadcasts on Hotbird 13°E. And believe me there is
nothing worth watching, even if you know the languages.

Don't believe that.

So never had the need to set up a scheduled recording, which would have
been a right pain anyway.

Not with a well implemented system it isnt. Just click on the EPG entry.

In message , Rod Speed
writes


"Geoff Pearson" wrote in message
...

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Geoff Pearson" wrote in message
...






Odd to see the term "antenna" used here. "Aerial" is the common
term for broadcast stuff - I tend to use antenna only for radio
astronomy - in a probing sort of way.

Common usage keeps changing with living languages.

That happened with airfield/airport too.

But airfield and airport now have separate meanings.

They didn't originally.

Well, not in the days when Heathrow was better known as Hounslow Heath.

Antenna isn't used by anyone, is it?

Yep, by heaps.

Especially when talking to furriners.

I am a licensed radio amateur.

Me too.

+1
--
Ian

Bob Eager wrote
Geoff Pearson wrote

Odd to see the term "antenna" used here.
"Aerial" is the common term for broadcast stuff -

Not with yagis and log periodics used for TV reception.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yagi-Uda_antenna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log-periodic_antenna

I tend to use antenna only for radio astronomy - in a probing sort of
way.

When I studied this stuff, the module title
used the 'antenna' word, so it's all I use.

And the word aerial is hardly ever used with dishes.

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Rod Speed writes


"Geoff Pearson" wrote in message
...
[smip]


I am a licensed radio amateur.

Me too.

+1

Oh look three people with no social skills and dodgy personal hygiene.

On 30/04/2012 07:59, dennis@home wrote:


"Stephen H" wrote in message
...

you might have two houses that would benefit from a pair of
uni-directional Wi-Fi aerials.....

You are wasting your time geof is a troll and not very bright.

Hmmm. Geoff - successful businessman.
Dennis - forced into early retirement.



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On 30/04/2012 17:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
djc wrote:
On 29/04/12 22:00, Andy Burns wrote:

Err not exactly, but I hadn't seen antennae and dishes lumped together
for the maximum count of two, did previous planning guides state
explicitly only one dish without permission? I thought the problem used
to be flats where one occupant installed a dish, effectively blocking
the other occupants from having their own?

The problem with flats is not so muc blocking as the eyesore created by
multiple dishes sprouting all over the walls of the property.
Unfortunately arranging one effective communal aerial can be difficult.


Technically it is bloody simple.

Politically its a bloody nightmare.

Politically it would be easy enough if the cheapskate developers put in
a MATV system when they built the things!


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Ian Jackson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Geoff Pearson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Geoff Pearson wrote

Odd to see the term "antenna" used here. "Aerial" is the
common term for broadcast stuff - I tend to use antenna
only for radio astronomy - in a probing sort of way.

Common usage keeps changing with living languages.

That happened with airfield/airport too.

But airfield and airport now have separate meanings.

They didn't originally.

Well, not in the days when Heathrow was better known as Hounslow Heath.

Antenna isn't used by anyone, is it?

Yep, by heaps.

Especially when talking to furriners.

But also when not, particularly with dishes.

I am a licensed radio amateur.

Me too.

+1

In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"Stephen H" wrote in message
...

you might have two houses that would benefit from a pair of
uni-directional Wi-Fi aerials.....

You are wasting your time geof is a troll

Certainly not dennis

and not very bright.

Somewhat brighter than you though

The external ones also work well if you want to use your wifi in
adjacent buildings.

--
geoff

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:55:39 +0100, geoff wrote:

Dennis - my wi-fi (well, I have two actually), gives a good enough
signal all over the house and garden

Well if your plot is the size of a postage stamp and house built of
cardboard it probably will. Have a little bit of land and house made
of stone and things are very different.

As I said, I have two Wi-fi antennas (its a historical thing that I'll
get around to changing one day)

One is under the bay window of the front room, it's about 25m to where
we normally sit in the garden and has two brick walls inbetweeen

Get yourself a proper modem


--
geoff

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:55:39 +0100, geoff wrote:

Dennis - my wi-fi (well, I have two actually), gives a good enough
signal all over the house and garden
Well if your plot is the size of a postage stamp and house built of
cardboard it probably will. Have a little bit of land and house made
of stone and things are very different.

Or covered in rendered metal mesh. I cant even reach from the office to
the kitchen reliably here.


Luckily, I have none of these obscuring the signal, and thus excellent
coverage

--
geoff

In message
,
harry writes
On Apr 29, 8:37*pm, Andy Burns wrote:
Bob Minchin wrote:
planning requirements have changed quite a bit
since then and in most cases, they have relaxed rather than tightened.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/per...jects/antenna/

Oooh I have a TV aerial, a DAB aerial, an FM aerial and a dish, better
hope dennis doesn't snitch

Must look like a Russian trawler!


Dennis? No, he looks like a west midlands troll


--
geoff

In message , Geoff Pearson
writes

"Robin" wrote in message
...
snip
This all looks very silly.

I think the problem comes from a slightly sloppy heading to the
guidance on planning portal. It is headed "Satellite,TV and Radio
Antenna". But ISTM the underlying regulations cited deal
(simplifying greatly to keep just the relevant bits) ) only with
satellite (and terrestrial microwave) antennae. Take eg the
reference to a limit of 130 centimetres on antenna. That'd make
unlawful the use of a lot of Blake DMX aerials but I see no signs of
Bill et al being done for fitting them. Amending the heading to
"Satellite antenna for TV & Radio" might be a good quick fix.
-- Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid


and then it would be "antennae"

or antennas, take your pick

Who invited this crowd in ?

--
geoff

In message , Geoff Pearson
writes
Pondering further on "mounted on the roof" does that mean that
there are no restrictions if it is mounted on a wall (e.g. a gable



This all looks very silly.

Odd to see the term "antenna" used here. "Aerial" is the common
term for broadcast stuff - I tend to use antenna only for radio
astronomy - in a probing sort of way.

Common usage keeps changing with living languages.

That happened with airfield/airport too.

But airfield and airport now have separate meanings. Antenna isn't
used by anyone, is it? I am a licensed radio amateur.

You can be cured

--
geoff

Pete Shew wrote:

On 30/04/2012 18:14, MarkG wrote:

Surprising number of people here also picking up German F1. I wonder how
Radio5Live's viewing figures have gone up this year....

It's OK if you record both and can play back at the same time to get
them synchronised. But if live then R5 is about 20 seconds ahead of the
RTL picture. Very bad.

Evoke3 DAB radio with pause/rewind facility :-)

In message , Bob Eager
writes
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:23:17 +0100, Geoff Pearson wrote:

Odd to see the term "antenna" used here. "Aerial" is the common term
for broadcast stuff - I tend to use antenna only for radio astronomy -
in a probing sort of way.

When I studied this stuff, the module title used the 'antenna' word, so
it's all I use.



It must limit your conversations


--
geoff

geoff wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"Stephen H" wrote in message
...

you might have two houses that would benefit from a pair of
uni-directional Wi-Fi aerials.....

You are wasting your time geof is a troll

Certainly not dennis

and not very bright.

Somewhat brighter than you though

dennis is more like a worm than a troll.

--
Adam

dennis@home wrote:

Do you use any of them to attack or intimidate others?

Nah, he left all of that to sad little ****s who dob people in for
imaginary misdeeds.

How about you?

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:25:22 +0100, geoff wrote:

Dennis - my wi-fi (well, I have two actually), gives a good
enough
signal all over the house and garden

Well if your plot is the size of a postage stamp and house built
of
cardboard it probably will. Have a little bit of land and house
made
of stone and things are very different.
snip
One is under the bay window of the front room, it's about 25m to where
we normally sit in the garden and has two brick walls inbetweeen

Like I said a "little bit of land" 25m will just about get from the
server room to the edge of the "lawn". The bench seat with nice view
is another 50 odd metres. The WiFi is in a state of flux ATM, the AP
will probably end up in one of the lofts. ATM you can't get a signal
through the stone wall between the house and barn. Within either it's
fine as the internal walls are plasterboard or block with normal
timber floors.

Get yourself a proper modem

How will that help?

--
Cheers
Dave.

geoff wrote:
In message , Jim Newman
writes
On 29/04/2012 20:31, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:27:21 +0100, ARWadsworth wrote:

Bob Minchin wrote:
ARWadsworth wrote:
Is this allowed?

I have heard it suggested that you need PP to have 2.


I found this the hard way when my dear neighbour reported me.
That was about 10 years ago and planning requirements have
changed quite a bit since then and in most cases, they have
relaxed rather than tightened.

You live next door to dennis?

He would be the first to grass you up for for doing such a
thing.

My first thought, too.

How odd,
my first thought was "How ****ing empty is ARW's life?"

Guess I can add you too.

Better add me and at least half a dozen others then

I'll lose no sleep over that one:-)

--
Adam

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:25:22 +0100, geoff wrote:

Dennis - my wi-fi (well, I have two actually), gives a good
enough
signal all over the house and garden

Well if your plot is the size of a postage stamp and house built
of
cardboard it probably will. Have a little bit of land and house
made
of stone and things are very different.
snip
One is under the bay window of the front room, it's about 25m to where
we normally sit in the garden and has two brick walls inbetweeen

Like I said a "little bit of land" 25m will just about get from the
server room to the edge of the "lawn". The bench seat with nice view
is another 50 odd metres. The WiFi is in a state of flux ATM, the AP
will probably end up in one of the lofts. ATM you can't get a signal
through the stone wall between the house and barn. Within either it's
fine as the internal walls are plasterboard or block with normal
timber floors.


Hardly a typical domestic environment then, eh ?

Duh

--
geoff

geoff wrote:
In message , Geoff Pearson
writes
snip
I am a licensed radio amateur.

You can be cured

Once you have a ARC you become immune to all cures

Steve Terry
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On 30/04/2012 18:49, MarkG wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:45:23 +0100, Pete Shew wrote:

On 30/04/2012 18:14, MarkG wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:05:39 +0100, MarkG wrote:

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:46:31 +0100, ARWadsworth
wrote:

Is this allowed?

I have heard it suggested that you need PP to have 2.



Not sure, but have you considered multiple LNB's on a single dish?
They don't even need to point to the same satellites, I have a 60CM
dish with a quadLNB for usual FreeSat reception, with a single LNB
pointed at Astra 19 degrees so I can pickup F1 from those nice German
people at RTL.




Surprising number of people here also picking up German F1. I wonder how
Radio5Live's viewing figures have gone up this year....

It's OK if you record both and can play back at the same time to get
them synchronised. But if live then R5 is about 20 seconds ahead of
the RTL picture. Very bad.


Really? I streamed it on my laptop, it was virtually identical, less
than a second, as at the last race, he even said the lights going out...

I do know that RTL Austria is a little bit delayed, but the main RTL
World feed was VERY closed indeed.


That might be it. When choosing which RTL to pick I was confused by the
German regional options so picked Austria. I'll try one of the others
next race. (Actually my German is improving).

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Lose (rhymes with fuse) is a verb, the opposite of find. Loose (rhymes
with juice) is an adjective, the opposite of tight.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:48:23 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , Bob Eager
writes
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:23:17 +0100, Geoff Pearson wrote:

Odd to see the term "antenna" used here. "Aerial" is the common term
for broadcast stuff - I tend to use antenna only for radio astronomy -
in a probing sort of way.

When I studied this stuff, the module title used the 'antenna' word, so
it's all I use.



It must limit your conversations

LOL!

I was never that good at communication....

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http://www.mirrorservice.org

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On 30/04/2012 21:32, geoff wrote:
or antennas, take your pick

Who invited this crowd in ?

No, it's definitely antennae. It says it here in my book of insects -
which is the only place I use the word

Andy

[Default] On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:42:23 +0100, a certain chimpanzee,
"ARWadsworth" , randomly hit the
keyboard and wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Oooh I have a TV aerial, a DAB aerial, an FM aerial and a dish, better
hope dennis doesn't snitch

But he is such a jobsworth. You have no chance.

If you're lucky he'll do it anonymously; that way Planning don't have
to follow it up.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have I strayed"?

On Monday, April 30, 2012 7:25:50 PM UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
BartC wrote
Rod Speed wrote
BartC wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Andy Burns wrote

or a motorised one if you want "the lot", why would someone choose
multiple dishes?


I have multiple (6 in fact) LNBs on one dish but to get the full range of azimuths I will need a second dish. I don't seem tobe able to get more than abotu 20 degrees span using one dish and I want to recive from 28E to 0.8W
A motorized dish woudl do this, but it is slow when changing from one sat to the next.

I use terrestrial broadcasts too, but I don't need a dish for those; the
dish was for European broadcasts on Hotbird 13°E. And believe me there is
nothing worth watching, even if you know the languages.


The proportion of channels worth watching is small, but I do find many worth viewing and gives me a choice of channels in languages I want to practice.. However, for me, a very big benefit of satellite reception is radio; for example, I get classical music channels from all over Europe.

RobertL wrote
Rod Speed wrote
BartC wrote
Rod Speed wrote
BartC wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Andy Burns wrote

or a motorised one if you want "the lot",
why would someone choose multiple dishes?

I have multiple (6 in fact) LNBs on one dish but to get the full range
of azimuths I will need a second dish. I don't seem tobe able to get
more than abotu 20 degrees span using one dish and I want to recive
from 28E to 0.8W A motorized dish woudl do this, but it is slow when
changing from one sat to the next.

And you cant record from both satellites at once. I watch nothing
live, much prefer to watch it from what I have recorded so I can
watch it when I choose to do that rather than when it is broadcast.

I use terrestrial broadcasts too, but I don't need a dish for those; the
dish was for European broadcasts on Hotbird 13°E. And believe me
there is nothing worth watching, even if you know the languages.

The proportion of channels worth watching is small, but I do find many
worth viewing and gives me a choice of channels in languages I want to
practice. However, for me, a very big benefit of satellite reception is
radio; for example, I get classical music channels from all over Europe.

On 08/05/2012 20:45, Bert Coules wrote:
RobertL wrote:

I have multiple (6 in fact) LNBs on one dish
but to get the full range of azimuths I will need
a second dish. I don't seem to be able to get
more than about 20 degrees span using one dish...

I wonder if it would be possible to fit, say, three LNBs *vertically* on
one dish, to get full coverage of an inclined-orbit satellite which was
sometimes above the plane, sometimes on it and sometimes below?

Has anyone ever heard of that being done?

It might, but since any useful DVBS sat is in equatorial orbit, there
would not be much practical application would there?


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John Rumm wrote:

It might, but since any useful DVBS sat is in equatorial orbit, there
would not be much practical application would there?

Until they moved to the slightly inclined Astra 1C at 2E I used to enjoy
watching UK OB newsfeeds for the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 bulletins and
magazine shows: fascinating material as the teams and reporters set things
up, rehearsed, chatted amongst themselves, panicked, made their live
contributions and then packed up and left. It would be pleasant to be able
to see that sort of stuff again.

Bert

In article , John
Rumm scribeth thus
On 08/05/2012 20:45, Bert Coules wrote:
RobertL wrote:

I have multiple (6 in fact) LNBs on one dish
but to get the full range of azimuths I will need
a second dish. I don't seem to be able to get
more than about 20 degrees span using one dish...

I wonder if it would be possible to fit, say, three LNBs *vertically* on
one dish, to get full coverage of an inclined-orbit satellite which was
sometimes above the plane, sometimes on it and sometimes below?

Has anyone ever heard of that being done?

It might, but since any useful DVBS sat is in equatorial orbit, there
would not be much practical application would there?



You'd be off the "focus" of the dish...
--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote:

You'd be off the "focus" of the dish...

But would you, any more so than with a horizontal multi-LNB setup?

Bert

John Rumm wrote:

I wonder if it would be possible to fit, say, three LNBs *vertically* on
one dish, to get full coverage of an inclined-orbit satellite which was
sometimes above the plane, sometimes on it and sometimes below?

Has anyone ever heard of that being done?

It might, but since any useful DVBS sat is in equatorial orbit, there
would not be much practical application would there?

Satellite that are running short of propellant are shunted into an orbit
where they can be allowed to wobble around a bit, and transmission time
sold to those who have receiving stations equipped with ez/el adjustment.

Bill

On 09/05/2012 02:22, Bill Wright wrote:
John Rumm wrote:

I wonder if it would be possible to fit, say, three LNBs *vertically* on
one dish, to get full coverage of an inclined-orbit satellite which was
sometimes above the plane, sometimes on it and sometimes below?

Has anyone ever heard of that being done?

It might, but since any useful DVBS sat is in equatorial orbit, there
would not be much practical application would there?

Satellite that are running short of propellant are shunted into an orbit
where they can be allowed to wobble around a bit, and transmission time
sold to those who have receiving stations equipped with ez/el adjustment.

Interesting...

What sort of programming do they carry? Or are they more typically used
by the broadcast industry for OB backhaul and the like?


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John Rumm wrote:
On 09/05/2012 02:22, Bill Wright wrote:
John Rumm wrote:

I wonder if it would be possible to fit, say, three LNBs
*vertically* on
one dish, to get full coverage of an inclined-orbit satellite which was
sometimes above the plane, sometimes on it and sometimes below?

Has anyone ever heard of that being done?

It might, but since any useful DVBS sat is in equatorial orbit, there
would not be much practical application would there?

Satellite that are running short of propellant are shunted into an orbit
where they can be allowed to wobble around a bit, and transmission time
sold to those who have receiving stations equipped with ez/el adjustment.

Interesting...

What sort of programming do they carry? Or are they more typically used
by the broadcast industry for OB backhaul and the like?


Other here are more expert. But yes, they are used for that sort of thing.

Bill

In article , Bert
Coules scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote:

You'd be off the "focus" of the dish...

But would you, any more so than with a horizontal multi-LNB setup?

Bert



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