http://www.reviewcentre.com/products4607.html?f2229=Gas

Forgetting those with just a few reviews it appears that virtually all
the boilers mentioned are more than a little unreliable.

rbel

On 31/10/2011 19:58, rbel wrote:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products4607.html?f2229=Gas
Forgetting those with just a few reviews it appears that virtually all
the boilers mentioned are more than a little unreliable.

rbel
It's quite hard to say really, from some reviews I get the impression
that the boiler wasn't installed properly - mostly dirty systems and
sometimes it just seems like whoever is called to fix them just throws
parts in until the problem is cured.

--
David

On 31/10/2011 19:58, rbel wrote:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products4607.html?f2229=Gas

Forgetting those with just a few reviews it appears that virtually all
the boilers mentioned are more than a little unreliable.

rbel
Take into consideration that if your boiler is working ok, your probably
not going to write a review. The ones likely to write are the folk who
have had problems and want the world to know about it.

On 31/10/2011 20:54, Justine Time wrote:
On 31/10/2011 19:58, rbel wrote:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products4607.html?f2229=Gas

Forgetting those with just a few reviews it appears that virtually all
the boilers mentioned are more than a little unreliable.

rbel
Take into consideration that if your boiler is working ok, your probably
not going to write a review. The ones likely to write are the folk who
have had problems and want the world to know about it.

Worth noting that their "top five" are a Vaillant and two Worcesters,
exactly what the experts in this group say. (The other two look like
adverts).

On 31/10/2011 22:59, Newshound wrote:
On 31/10/2011 20:54, Justine Time wrote:
On 31/10/2011 19:58, rbel wrote:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products4607.html?f2229=Gas

Forgetting those with just a few reviews it appears that virtually all
the boilers mentioned are more than a little unreliable.

rbel
Take into consideration that if your boiler is working ok, your probably
not going to write a review. The ones likely to write are the folk who
have had problems and want the world to know about it.

Worth noting that their "top five" are a Vaillant and two Worcesters,
exactly what the experts in this group say. (The other two look like
adverts).
It would be interesting if geoff can tell us if he gets more Worcester
parts or Vaillant parts in for repairs? General consensus seems to be
the electronics of a Vaillant are more solid...

--
David

In message , gremlin_95
writes
On 31/10/2011 22:59, Newshound wrote:
On 31/10/2011 20:54, Justine Time wrote:
On 31/10/2011 19:58, rbel wrote:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products4607.html?f2229=Gas

Forgetting those with just a few reviews it appears that virtually all
the boilers mentioned are more than a little unreliable.

rbel
Take into consideration that if your boiler is working ok, your probably
not going to write a review. The ones likely to write are the folk who
have had problems and want the world to know about it.

Worth noting that their "top five" are a Vaillant and two Worcesters,
exactly what the experts in this group say. (The other two look like
adverts).
It would be interesting if geoff can tell us if he gets more Worcester
parts or Vaillant parts in for repairs? General consensus seems to be
the electronics of a Vaillant are more solid...

Yes, I get a lot of worcester stuff coming through now

I used to recommend them to people, but I have given up doing that

However, it has to be said that there are an awful lot of worcester
boilers out there (I have one)

Vaillants do seem to have a slightly better track record

I had someone phone up today who still had the original (15 year old)
pcb in his suprima boiler and wanted a fan instead - miracles happen

--
geoff

In article , Newshound
scribeth thus
On 31/10/2011 20:54, Justine Time wrote:
On 31/10/2011 19:58, rbel wrote:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products4607.html?f2229=Gas

Forgetting those with just a few reviews it appears that virtually all
the boilers mentioned are more than a little unreliable.

rbel
Take into consideration that if your boiler is working ok, your probably
not going to write a review. The ones likely to write are the folk who
have had problems and want the world to know about it.


Of course. You have a car for 10 years. Now it breaks down one night and
causes you some inconvenience.

When anyone asks you about that car what do you remember?, that one time
in 10 years that it broke down, or the 9 years 364 days that it started
ands ran fine and did what you required of it;...


Worth noting that their "top five" are a Vaillant and two Worcesters,
exactly what the experts in this group say. (The other two look like
adverts).

I'd rather trust Geoff Raden's opinion anyday rather than some anonymous
website;!..
--
Tony Sayer

Yes, I get a lot of worcester stuff coming through now

I used to recommend them to people, but I have given up doing that

However, it has to be said that there are an awful lot of worcester
boilers out there (I have one)

Vaillants do seem to have a slightly better track record

I had someone phone up today who still had the original (15 year old)
pcb in his suprima boiler and wanted a fan instead - miracles happen


Truly master that indeed is a sign of the second coming!...

Be ye !!-\Mightily/-!! afraid;!!!!
--
Tony Sayer

geoff wrote:
In message , gremlin_95
writes
On 31/10/2011 22:59, Newshound wrote:
On 31/10/2011 20:54, Justine Time wrote:
On 31/10/2011 19:58, rbel wrote:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products4607.html?f2229=Gas

Forgetting those with just a few reviews it appears that virtually all
the boilers mentioned are more than a little unreliable.

rbel
Take into consideration that if your boiler is working ok, your
probably
not going to write a review. The ones likely to write are the folk who
have had problems and want the world to know about it.

Worth noting that their "top five" are a Vaillant and two Worcesters,
exactly what the experts in this group say. (The other two look like
adverts).
It would be interesting if geoff can tell us if he gets more Worcester
parts or Vaillant parts in for repairs? General consensus seems to be
the electronics of a Vaillant are more solid...

Yes, I get a lot of worcester stuff coming through now

I used to recommend them to people, but I have given up doing that

However, it has to be said that there are an awful lot of worcester
boilers out there (I have one)

Vaillants do seem to have a slightly better track record

I had someone phone up today who still had the original (15 year old)
pcb in his suprima boiler and wanted a fan instead - miracles happen


Geoff, Is there a pattern to the type of faults you see?
Maybe dry joints due to thermal stress or relay contact dirt/failure.
In the field of electronics I worked in, components were very reliable
unless over stressed in some way. Heat and dirt were a source of
problems though.
Conformal coating used to help a lot but I doubt that they use that.
Maybe the boiler designs are cut to the bone?

cheers

Bob

In article ,
Bob Minchin wrote:
Geoff, Is there a pattern to the type of faults you see?
Maybe dry joints due to thermal stress or relay contact dirt/failure.
In the field of electronics I worked in, components were very reliable
unless over stressed in some way. Heat and dirt were a source of
problems though.
Conformal coating used to help a lot but I doubt that they use that.
Maybe the boiler designs are cut to the bone?

Cynical me says they are designed to fail.
Heat shouldn't be a problem with a decent modern boiler.

--
*Why do they put Braille on the drive-through bank machines?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 01/11/2011 00:15, geoff wrote:
In message , gremlin_95
writes
On 31/10/2011 22:59, Newshound wrote:
On 31/10/2011 20:54, Justine Time wrote:
On 31/10/2011 19:58, rbel wrote:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products4607.html?f2229=Gas

Forgetting those with just a few reviews it appears that virtually
all
the boilers mentioned are more than a little unreliable.

rbel
Take into consideration that if your boiler is working ok, your
probably
not going to write a review. The ones likely to write are the folk who
have had problems and want the world to know about it.

Worth noting that their "top five" are a Vaillant and two
Worcesters, exactly what the experts in this group say. (The other
two look like adverts).
It would be interesting if geoff can tell us if he gets more
Worcester parts or Vaillant parts in for repairs? General consensus
seems to be the electronics of a Vaillant are more solid...

Yes, I get a lot of worcester stuff coming through now

I used to recommend them to people, but I have given up doing that

However, it has to be said that there are an awful lot of worcester
boilers out there (I have one)

Vaillants do seem to have a slightly better track record

I had someone phone up today who still had the original (15 year old)
pcb in his suprima boiler and wanted a fan instead - miracles happen

Probably bit like my nans Ideal Isar, no breakdowns in nearly 4
years....apart from one diverter valve @ 8 months.

--
David

Many thanks for your thoughts on the reliability issue. It looks as
though Vaillant are probably the best bet at the moment. I take it
that this does not take initial cost into consideration? In other
words I am prepared to pay (a bit) more for a reliable boiler and
controls.

Having a 20(?) year old Baxi Boston 70 that has provided years of
service without any problems whatsoever, and listened to others
complaints about their new boilers, reliability of replacement kit is
a concern. As we are having a new bathroom which will involve
moving/changing the existing dhw cylinder I think that now is the time
to bite the bullet and look at a more efficient system.

More questions will follow!

rbel

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:58:15 +0000, rbel wrote:

http://www.reviewcentre.com/products4607.html?f2229=Gas

Forgetting those with just a few reviews it appears that virtually all
the boilers mentioned are more than a little unreliable.

A non-negative review for an Ideal Isar?!!!

And the site groups different boilers under "Worcester Bosch boiler" but
then has separate entry for "Worcester Junior 28i Combi Condensing
Boiler".

Er, why? Why not either group all boilers by one manufacturer together,
or separate them by model.

Mickey Mouse


--
John Stumbles -- http://yaph.co.uk

An atheist is a person with no invisible means of support

On 31/10/2011 23:18, gremlin_95 wrote:
On 31/10/2011 22:59, Newshound wrote:
On 31/10/2011 20:54, Justine Time wrote:
On 31/10/2011 19:58, rbel wrote:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/products4607.html?f2229=Gas

Forgetting those with just a few reviews it appears that virtually all
the boilers mentioned are more than a little unreliable.

rbel
Take into consideration that if your boiler is working ok, your probably
not going to write a review. The ones likely to write are the folk who
have had problems and want the world to know about it.

Worth noting that their "top five" are a Vaillant and two Worcesters,
exactly what the experts in this group say. (The other two look like
adverts).
It would be interesting if geoff can tell us if he gets more Worcester
parts or Vaillant parts in for repairs? General consensus seems to be
the electronics of a Vaillant are more solid...

The difficulty with interpreting that sort of information, is not
knowing how many of each model are actually in service, and hence what
proportion of those you are seeing failed components from.


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Cheers,

John.

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On 01/11/2011 19:10, rbel wrote:
Many thanks for your thoughts on the reliability issue. It looks as
though Vaillant are probably the best bet at the moment. I take it
that this does not take initial cost into consideration? In other
words I am prepared to pay (a bit) more for a reliable boiler and
controls.

Having a 20(?) year old Baxi Boston 70 that has provided years of
service without any problems whatsoever, and listened to others
complaints about their new boilers, reliability of replacement kit is
a concern. As we are having a new bathroom which will involve
moving/changing the existing dhw cylinder I think that now is the time
to bite the bullet and look at a more efficient system.

More questions will follow!

rbel
The early Ecotecs used to suffer from dodgy pressure switches, pumps and
weak rubber hoses. All these issues are sorted now and its a very
reliable boiler.

--
David