I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. Most of the
dispute revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth.
Can someone confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth
picture please.

There are what I assume copyright dates in the middle of the bottom of
the image - in the case of the area I'm looking at there are 4
companies involved all with 2011 against them. If on the other hand I
zoom in to an 'Eye Level' (bottom righthand side) of less than 2000
ft, the bottom LH corner pops up with "Imagery Date: 1/1/1999". As
the image is clearly taken in a summer period, am I right in taking
that this indicates that the photo was taken in 1998 or earlier ?

Rob

On 16/08/2011 19:04, robgraham wrote:
I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. Most of the
dispute revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth.
Can someone confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth
picture please.

There are what I assume copyright dates in the middle of the bottom of
the image - in the case of the area I'm looking at there are 4
companies involved all with 2011 against them. If on the other hand I
zoom in to an 'Eye Level' (bottom righthand side) of less than 2000
ft, the bottom LH corner pops up with "Imagery Date: 1/1/1999". As
the image is clearly taken in a summer period, am I right in taking
that this indicates that the photo was taken in 1998 or earlier ?

Rob

I doubt it. Google Earth - as such - has only existed since about 2005,
based on a product dating back to 2001 acquired by Google.

1/1/99 sounds to me like an arbitrary date, meaning something like "a
long time ago, before we kept proper records of when images were taken".
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On Aug 16, 8:11*pm, Roger Mills wrote:
On 16/08/2011 19:04, robgraham wrote:

I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. *Most of the
dispute revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth.
Can someone confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth
picture please.

There are what I assume copyright dates in the middle of the bottom of
the image - in the case of the area I'm looking at there are 4
companies involved all with 2011 against them. *If on the other hand I
zoom in to an 'Eye Level' (bottom righthand side) of less than 2000
ft, the bottom LH corner pops up with "Imagery Date: 1/1/1999". *As
the image is clearly taken in a summer period, am I right in taking
that this indicates that the photo was taken in 1998 or earlier ?

Rob

I doubt it. Google Earth - as such - has only existed since about 2005,
based on a product dating back to 2001 acquired by Google.

1/1/99 sounds to me like an arbitrary date, meaning something like "a
long time ago, before we kept proper records of when images were taken".
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Roger
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On the basis of the intelligence of the other party, that answer is
quite good enough !

Rob

On 16/08/2011 20:11, Roger Mills wrote:
On 16/08/2011 19:04, robgraham wrote:
I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. Most of the
dispute revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth.
Can someone confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth
picture please.

There are what I assume copyright dates in the middle of the bottom of
the image - in the case of the area I'm looking at there are 4
companies involved all with 2011 against them. If on the other hand I
zoom in to an 'Eye Level' (bottom righthand side) of less than 2000
ft, the bottom LH corner pops up with "Imagery Date: 1/1/1999". As
the image is clearly taken in a summer period, am I right in taking
that this indicates that the photo was taken in 1998 or earlier ?

Rob

I doubt it. Google Earth - as such - has only existed since about 2005,
based on a product dating back to 2001 acquired by Google.

1/1/99 sounds to me like an arbitrary date, meaning something like "a
long time ago, before we kept proper records of when images were taken".

It might be. I recently pulled all available images off for a particular
site and these were dated Jan 2000, Jan 2001, Jan 2002, May 2010. The
changes were consistent with the dates being about right. Interestingly,
the 2001/2002 resolution was a bit better than the 2010.

On 16/08/2011 19:04, robgraham wrote:
I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. Most of the
dispute revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth.
Can someone confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth
picture please.

There are what I assume copyright dates in the middle of the bottom of
the image - in the case of the area I'm looking at there are 4
companies involved all with 2011 against them. If on the other hand I
zoom in to an 'Eye Level' (bottom righthand side) of less than 2000
ft, the bottom LH corner pops up with "Imagery Date: 1/1/1999". As
the image is clearly taken in a summer period, am I right in taking
that this indicates that the photo was taken in 1998 or earlier ?

Its probably a fair bet. Google earth would not have existed then, but
their source data predates them. However how fine grained the
attributions are is hard to say since they blend together many sources
of imagery.

What are you trying to prove?



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John.

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:11:36 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:

On 16/08/2011 19:04, robgraham wrote:
I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. Most of the dispute
revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth. Can someone
confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth picture please.

There are what I assume copyright dates in the middle of the bottom of
the image - in the case of the area I'm looking at there are 4
companies involved all with 2011 against them. If on the other hand I
zoom in to an 'Eye Level' (bottom righthand side) of less than 2000 ft,
the bottom LH corner pops up with "Imagery Date: 1/1/1999". As the
image is clearly taken in a summer period, am I right in taking that
this indicates that the photo was taken in 1998 or earlier ?

Rob

I doubt it. Google Earth - as such - has only existed since about 2005,
based on a product dating back to 2001 acquired by Google.

1/1/99 sounds to me like an arbitrary date, meaning something like "a
long time ago, before we kept proper records of when images were taken".

It could be right - in 1999/2000/2001 I was working on an IT project for
an aerial survey company, and IIRC Google ended up paying for the right
to use that photographic data*. I think January of '99 is a bit early - I
don't think we were loading data until later in that year - but I suspect
any copyright would relate to the dataset as a whole, rather than when a
particular portion of image was loaded into our system.

"our" data was by no means the only lot that Google made use of, either;
ISTR that there were three or four others around that same time, so it
could easily relate to some other company too.

* something like 6TB of images, which was reasonably large for the time.
Funny to think it'd all go on a small number of hard disks these days!

cheers

Jules

On Aug 16, 11:33*pm, John Rumm wrote:
On 16/08/2011 19:04, robgraham wrote:

I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. *Most of the
dispute revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth.
Can someone confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth
picture please.

There are what I assume copyright dates in the middle of the bottom of
the image - in the case of the area I'm looking at there are 4
companies involved all with 2011 against them. *If on the other hand I
zoom in to an 'Eye Level' (bottom righthand side) of less than 2000
ft, the bottom LH corner pops up with "Imagery Date: 1/1/1999". *As
the image is clearly taken in a summer period, am I right in taking
that this indicates that the photo was taken in 1998 or earlier ?

Its probably a fair bet. Google earth would not have existed then, but
their source data predates them. However how fine grained the
attributions are is hard to say since they blend together many sources
of imagery.

What are you trying to prove?

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John.

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The current owner is claiming the picture is 2009 and proves
continuous use since the business on the site collapsed in 1994. It's
more a case of proving he's a lying toad than what is in the picture.

Many thanks everyone for your input - the history information is
useful if it comes to a legal scrap.

Rob

On 17/08/2011 08:29, robgraham wrote:
On Aug 16, 11:33 pm, John wrote:
On 16/08/2011 19:04, robgraham wrote:

I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. Most of the
dispute revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth.
Can someone confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth
picture please.

There are what I assume copyright dates in the middle of the bottom of
the image - in the case of the area I'm looking at there are 4
companies involved all with 2011 against them. If on the other hand I
zoom in to an 'Eye Level' (bottom righthand side) of less than 2000
ft, the bottom LH corner pops up with "Imagery Date: 1/1/1999". As
the image is clearly taken in a summer period, am I right in taking
that this indicates that the photo was taken in 1998 or earlier ?

Its probably a fair bet. Google earth would not have existed then, but
their source data predates them. However how fine grained the
attributions are is hard to say since they blend together many sources
of imagery.

What are you trying to prove?


The current owner is claiming the picture is 2009 and proves
continuous use since the business on the site collapsed in 1994. It's
more a case of proving he's a lying toad than what is in the picture.

Many thanks everyone for your input - the history information is
useful if it comes to a legal scrap.

On their help page, it says:

About Imagery Dates

Google Earth displays the approximate date of displayed imagery in the
status bar at the bottom in the 3D viewer. As you mouse over a location,
this information depicts the date of the imagery. Note that this date is
only approximate.

It might be worth looking at what data www.getmapping.com have on the
area. IIRC they assembled all their images by overflying the country in
strips, and at known dates and times.


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John.

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In article
s.com, robgraham writes

I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. Most of the
dispute revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth.
Can someone confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth
picture please.

There are alternatives - www.flashearth.com, www.terraserver.com, NASA
Worldwind, Microsoft Virtual Earth. One of those may have the info you
want.

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On Aug 17, 10:00*am, John Rumm wrote:
On 17/08/2011 08:29, robgraham wrote:









On Aug 16, 11:33 pm, John *wrote:
On 16/08/2011 19:04, robgraham wrote:

I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. *Most of the
dispute revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth.
Can someone confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth
picture please.

There are what I assume copyright dates in the middle of the bottom of
the image - in the case of the area I'm looking at there are 4
companies involved all with 2011 against them. *If on the other hand I
zoom in to an 'Eye Level' (bottom righthand side) of less than 2000
ft, the bottom LH corner pops up with "Imagery Date: 1/1/1999". *As
the image is clearly taken in a summer period, am I right in taking
that this indicates that the photo was taken in 1998 or earlier ?

Its probably a fair bet. Google earth would not have existed then, but
their source data predates them. However how fine grained the
attributions are is hard to say since they blend together many sources
of imagery.

What are you trying to prove?
The current owner is claiming the picture is 2009 and proves
continuous use since the business on the site collapsed in 1994. *It's
more a case of proving he's a lying toad than what is in the picture.

Many thanks everyone for your input - the history information is
useful if it comes to a legal scrap.

On their help page, it says:

About Imagery Dates

Google Earth displays the approximate date of displayed imagery in the
status bar at the bottom in the 3D viewer. As you mouse over a location,
this information depicts the date of the imagery. Note that this date is
only approximate.

It might be worth looking at what datawww.getmapping.comhave on the
area. IIRC they assembled all their images by overflying the country in
strips, and at known dates and times.

For my postcode thay have 1940-47, 1999-date and 2004-date but no
exact date is given. The only copyright notice I can see is 2010 in
all cases. The 1999-date is nearer 1999 than today and is almost
certainly the millenium map data.

MBQ

On 17/08/2011 14:20, Man at B&Q wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:00 am, John wrote:
On 17/08/2011 08:29, robgraham wrote:









On Aug 16, 11:33 pm, John wrote:
On 16/08/2011 19:04, robgraham wrote:

I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. Most of the
dispute revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth.
Can someone confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth
picture please.

There are what I assume copyright dates in the middle of the bottom of
the image - in the case of the area I'm looking at there are 4
companies involved all with 2011 against them. If on the other hand I
zoom in to an 'Eye Level' (bottom righthand side) of less than 2000
ft, the bottom LH corner pops up with "Imagery Date: 1/1/1999". As
the image is clearly taken in a summer period, am I right in taking
that this indicates that the photo was taken in 1998 or earlier ?

Its probably a fair bet. Google earth would not have existed then, but
their source data predates them. However how fine grained the
attributions are is hard to say since they blend together many sources
of imagery.

What are you trying to prove?
The current owner is claiming the picture is 2009 and proves
continuous use since the business on the site collapsed in 1994. It's
more a case of proving he's a lying toad than what is in the picture.

Many thanks everyone for your input - the history information is
useful if it comes to a legal scrap.

On their help page, it says:

About Imagery Dates

Google Earth displays the approximate date of displayed imagery in the
status bar at the bottom in the 3D viewer. As you mouse over a location,
this information depicts the date of the imagery. Note that this date is
only approximate.

It might be worth looking at what datawww.getmapping.comhave on the
area. IIRC they assembled all their images by overflying the country in
strips, and at known dates and times.

For my postcode thay have 1940-47, 1999-date and 2004-date but no
exact date is given. The only copyright notice I can see is 2010 in
all cases. The 1999-date is nearer 1999 than today and is almost
certainly the millenium map data.

Google earth also has a history option...

Do a "View- Historical Imagery" and you get a new entry just below the
scale indicator on the bottom left that lets you switch to older images.

I had a play with this on some test properties where I knew when stuff
had been changed. The older 1999 data looked plausible for the age. The
stuff that claimed to be 2006 I know was actually showing something from
mid 2008


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John.

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On Aug 17, 4:53*pm, John Rumm wrote:
On 17/08/2011 14:20, Man at B&Q wrote:









On Aug 17, 10:00 am, John *wrote:
On 17/08/2011 08:29, robgraham wrote:

On Aug 16, 11:33 pm, John * *wrote:
On 16/08/2011 19:04, robgraham wrote:

I'm involved in a dispute for Planning Permission. *Most of the
dispute revolves round aerial photos and images from Google Earth.
Can someone confirm my translation of the data on a Google Earth
picture please.

There are what I assume copyright dates in the middle of the bottom of
the image - in the case of the area I'm looking at there are 4
companies involved all with 2011 against them. *If on the other hand I
zoom in to an 'Eye Level' (bottom righthand side) of less than 2000
ft, the bottom LH corner pops up with "Imagery Date: 1/1/1999". *As
the image is clearly taken in a summer period, am I right in taking
that this indicates that the photo was taken in 1998 or earlier ?

Its probably a fair bet. Google earth would not have existed then, but
their source data predates them. However how fine grained the
attributions are is hard to say since they blend together many sources
of imagery.

What are you trying to prove?
The current owner is claiming the picture is 2009 and proves
continuous use since the business on the site collapsed in 1994. *It's
more a case of proving he's a lying toad than what is in the picture.

Many thanks everyone for your input - the history information is
useful if it comes to a legal scrap.

On their help page, it says:

About Imagery Dates

Google Earth displays the approximate date of displayed imagery in the
status bar at the bottom in the 3D viewer. As you mouse over a location,
this information depicts the date of the imagery. Note that this date is
only approximate.

It might be worth looking at what datawww.getmapping.comhaveon the
area. IIRC they assembled all their images by overflying the country in
strips, and at known dates and times.

For my postcode thay have 1940-47, 1999-date and 2004-date but no
exact date is given. The only copyright notice I can see is 2010 in
all cases. The 1999-date is nearer 1999 than today and is almost
certainly the millenium map data.

Google earth also has a history option...

Do a "View- Historical Imagery" and you get a new entry just below the
scale indicator on the bottom left that lets you switch to older images.

I had a play with this on some test properties where I knew when stuff
had been changed. The older 1999 data looked plausible for the age. The
stuff that claimed to be 2006 I know was actually showing something from
mid 2008

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Cheers,

John.

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Thanks for that John - that threw up a picture with a definite 2003
date on it. Poor resolution, and doesn't really give any more info,
but interesting never the less.
Rob

On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:00:26 +0100, John Rumm wrote:
It might be worth looking at what data www.getmapping.com have on the
area. IIRC they assembled all their images by overflying the country in
strips, and at known dates and times.

They were the folks I mentioned in my post... but some places were re-
flown (due to atmospheric issues), plus it took quite a while to process
and load the images into the system - I can't remember if we recorded a
timestamp of when a photo was taken, or merely when it was loaded.

I do still seem to have all the source and design docs, but I don't think
I have any database backups - otherwise I'd be able to quote dates for
particular gridrefs :-)

cheers

Jules