A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

See pictu-

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

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Mark Carver wrote:

A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

https://groups.google.com/group/uk.d...76a561cb?hl=en

On 05/06/2011 12:09, Andy Burns wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:

A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

https://groups.google.com/group/uk.d...76a561cb?hl=en

That post was by Ed Sirett, who used to post here frequently but hasn't
been seen for several years.

Anyone know what happened to him?
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A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

See pictu-

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

What does the manual say the buttons are for?

Chimney sweeps used to wear top hats I think and carry ladders so maybe
there's some tenuous link to boiler servicing.
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On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:00:26 +0100
Mark Carver wrote:

A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

See pictu-

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?


You could try he
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_cafe_symbols.htm

Maybe it's only for well-dressed climbers?
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On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:00:26 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

See pictu-

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

You press + and - simultaneously to put the boiler's control computer
into 'game mode'. Choose from Monopoly or Donkey Kong.

On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

See pictu-

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

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What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder? WOW, I mean, its bad enough we don't have any heating, whats worse is we can't understand a thing thats going on because were not in the monopoly game. Why? I can't understand, I am not a monopoly sized human, nor thimble, nor boot, nor battle ship. Please send help, SOS.

wrote:

Way back in 2011, Mark Carver wrote:

A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder?

Maybe it's a German boiler and it refers to sending a chimney sweep up
onto the roof? maybe you press those two buttons together to disable the
boiler during flue cleaning?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=isch&q=german+chimney+sweep

On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:58:26 +0000, Andy Burns
coalesced the vapors of human experience into a viable and meaningful
comprehension...

wrote:

Way back in 2011, Mark Carver wrote:

A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder?

Maybe it's a German boiler and it refers to sending a chimney sweep up
onto the roof? maybe you press those two buttons together to disable the
boiler during flue cleaning?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=isch&q=german+chimney+sweep


According to the 7th post here that's EXCATLY what it's for.


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On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:58:26 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

maybe you press those two buttons together to disable the
boiler during flue cleaning?

More likely to call for maximum output, sweeps measure CO/CO2 and flue temps and
calculate the efficiency of the boilers at that operating point.


Thomas Prufer

On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:43:29 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !


What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder? WOW, I mean, its bad enough we don't have any heating, whats worse is we can't understand a thing thats going on because were not in the monopoly game. Why? I can't understand, I am not a monopoly sized human, nor thimble, nor boot, nor battle ship. Please send help, SOS.
You were only supposed to put your clock back an Hour not 6 ****ing
years.
G.Harman

On 30/10/2017 23:34, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:43:29 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !


What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder? WOW, I mean, its bad enough we don't have any heating, whats worse is we can't understand a thing thats going on because were not in the monopoly game. Why? I can't understand, I am not a monopoly sized human, nor thimble, nor boot, nor battle ship. Please send help, SOS.

You were only supposed to put your clock back an Hour not 6 ****ing
years.


Don't worry, my friend died of CO poisoning in 2013


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On 31/10/2017 07:58, Mark Carver wrote:
On 30/10/2017 23:34, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:43:29 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !


What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder? WOW, I mean, its
bad enough we don't have any heating, whats worse is we can't
understand a thing thats going on because were not in the monopoly
game. Why? I can't understand, I am not a monopoly sized human, nor
thimble, nor boot, nor battle ship. Please send help, SOS.

You were only supposed to put your clock back an HourÂ* notÂ* 6 ****ing
years.


Don't worry, my friend died of CO poisoning in 2013


Sad but true that "put a top hat over the flue outlet before pushing" is
a possible interpretation.

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Obviously since 2011, you have gone around the bend.

It obviously means that people wearing top hats cannot go down the chinmey
and should use the ladder.
:-)
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On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

See pictu-

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

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What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder? WOW, I mean, its bad
enough we don't have any heating, whats worse is we can't understand a thing
thats going on because were not in the monopoly game. Why? I can't
understand, I am not a monopoly sized human, nor thimble, nor boot, nor
battle ship. Please send help, SOS.

On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:43:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

See pictu-

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

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What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder? WOW, I mean, its bad enough we don't have any heating, whats worse is we can't understand a thing thats going on because were not in the monopoly game. Why? I can't understand, I am not a monopoly sized human, nor thimble, nor boot, nor battle ship. Please send help, SOS.

You are responding to a post made in 2011.

The symbol refers to a chimney sweep, and probably to settings that are to be
set by someone who knows what they are doing, and possibly measuring what they
are doing.

http://www.duden.de/_media_/small/S/Schornsteinfeger-201020475288.jpg

The small ladder is to get to the top of the chimney from the roof, rope and
brush, etc. The CO2 analyzer, IR thermometers, soot analyzer, laptop ... are
left outside the photo for picturesqueness. Also the crystal ball that tells the
sweep whether you are having a problem with a gas, oil, wood fired heater, etc.

Thomas Prufer

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On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:43:29 -0700 (PDT),
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On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

See pictu-

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

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What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder? WOW, I mean, its bad
enough we don't have any heating, whats worse is we can't understand a
thing thats going on because were not in the monopoly game. Why? I can't
understand, I am not a monopoly sized human, nor thimble, nor boot, nor
battle ship. Please send help, SOS.

This typifies everything that is bad about icons. I'm sure it was very
obvious to the person who designed the icons that a top hat and a ladder
"obviously" signify whatever it is that they signify. But I haven't a clue.
Maybe there's a vague association between a ladder and a tradesman - as in
"don't do this yourself, get a skilled heating engineer". What's the
significance of the rocket that's been crossed-out (above the "-"). And the
person symbol - what is the meaning of that in the context of a boiler? The
circle with a triangle inside (top display) is probably the timer, but
what's the double-triangle to its right?

I have no problem with well-known icons like the play/ff/rew/pause icons on
tape recorders, CD players etc; the petrol pump symbol on a car's fuel
gauge; - and + for decreasing and increasing a quantity. But there are many
icons where I can't even work out what the icon depicts, never mind what it
signifies.

I'd like to see greater use made of words - maybe in addition to icons.
Being English, I'd make a case for those words being English, not only
because it's my language but also because it's probably the most
commonly-understood second language. At least you can look up a work in a
dictionary (assuming you know what language it is!) whereas you can't look
up an icon in an alphabetic list.

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On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:43:29 -0700 (PDT),
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On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

See pictu-

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

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What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder? WOW, I mean, its bad
enough we don't have any heating, whats worse is we can't understand a
thing thats going on because were not in the monopoly game. Why? I can't
understand, I am not a monopoly sized human, nor thimble, nor boot, nor
battle ship. Please send help, SOS.

This typifies everything that is bad about icons. I'm sure it was very
obvious to the person who designed the icons that a top hat and a ladder
"obviously" signify whatever it is that they signify. But I haven't a
clue. Maybe there's a vague association between a ladder and a tradesman -
as in "don't do this yourself, get a skilled heating engineer". What's the
significance of the rocket that's been crossed-out (above the "-"). And
the person symbol - what is the meaning of that in the context of a
boiler? The circle with a triangle inside (top display) is probably the
timer, but what's the double-triangle to its right?

Yeah, we still have an icon of a steam engine on road signs
that warn of a railway line. I did wonder just the other day
how long it will be before kids don't even recognise the
steam loco. But when I tried to come up with something more
modern, that's a bit of a problem given that modern diesel
electric locos don't look that different to a bus with an icon.

I have no problem with well-known icons like the play/ff/rew/pause icons
on tape recorders, CD players etc; the petrol pump symbol on a car's fuel
gauge; - and + for decreasing and increasing a quantity. But there are
many icons where I can't even work out what the icon depicts, never mind
what it signifies.

I'd like to see greater use made of words - maybe in addition to icons.

Not really that viable in some situations like the smaller road signs.
And that wouldn't work very well in foreign countrys for me.

Being English, I'd make a case for those words being English, not only
because it's my language but also because it's probably the most
commonly-understood second language.

But not that viable compared with the best icons.

I still remember tearing along in one of the massive
great multilane tunnels south of Sydney with a sign
saying DRS only on one lane. Had no idea at all what
DRS meant. Turns out it's the name of a suburb or area.

At least you can look up a work in a dictionary (assuming you know what
language it is!)

Not really that practical for road signs.

whereas you can't look up an icon in an alphabetic list.

But you can look them up on a page of icons if
there arent too many of them and presumably
it would be feasible to have an app on your
phone that you can use to tell you what it means.

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[...]

I'd like to see greater use made of words - maybe in addition to icons.

Not really that viable in some situations like the smaller road signs.
And that wouldn't work very well in foreign countrys for me.

Being English, I'd make a case for those words being English, not only
because it's my language but also because it's probably the most
commonly-understood second language.

But not that viable compared with the best icons.

I still remember tearing along in one of the massive
great multilane tunnels south of Sydney with a sign
saying DRS only on one lane. Had no idea at all what
DRS meant. Turns out it's the name of a suburb or area.

If you drive in South England you might be puzzled by lanes marked Soton.

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On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:43:29 -0700 (PDT),
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On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

See pictu-

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

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What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder? WOW, I mean, its
bad enough we don't have any heating, whats worse is we can't
understand a thing thats going on because were not in the monopoly
game. Why? I can't understand, I am not a monopoly sized human, nor
thimble, nor boot, nor battle ship. Please send help, SOS.

This typifies everything that is bad about icons. I'm sure it was very
obvious to the person who designed the icons that a top hat and a ladder
"obviously" signify whatever it is that they signify. But I haven't a
clue. Maybe there's a vague association between a ladder and a tradesman
- as in "don't do this yourself, get a skilled heating engineer". What's
the significance of the rocket that's been crossed-out (above the "-").
And the person symbol - what is the meaning of that in the context of a
boiler? The circle with a triangle inside (top display) is probably the
timer, but what's the double-triangle to its right?

I have no problem with well-known icons like the play/ff/rew/pause icons
on tape recorders, CD players etc; the petrol pump symbol on a car's
fuel gauge; - and + for decreasing and increasing a quantity. But there
are many icons where I can't even work out what the icon depicts, never
mind what it signifies.

I'd like to see greater use made of words - maybe in addition to icons.

Be careful what you wish for, Vaillant in general tend to go for rather
Germanic English at times. For example, low primary system pressure on
the boiler is reported on the remote weather compensator / prog stat
with the elegant "service heat generator" message ;-)


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On 30/10/2017 21:43, wrote:
On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.

It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !

See pictu-

http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg

Why, and what does it all mean ?

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What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder? WOW, I mean, its
bad enough we don't have any heating, whats worse is we can't
understand a thing thats going on because were not in the monopoly
game. Why? I can't understand, I am not a monopoly sized human, nor
thimble, nor boot, nor battle ship. Please send help, SOS.

Its probably supposed to symbolise a chimney sweep... Vaillant boilers
have a diagnostic mode where you can get them to run the fan at max
speed to attempt to blow anything out of the flue that should not be there.




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Its probably supposed to symbolise a chimney sweep... Vaillant boilers
have a diagnostic mode where you can get them to run the fan at max
speed to attempt to blow anything out of the flue that should not be
there.

Probably right, given that the top hat is the traditional sign of a
chimney sweep.
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In message , John Rumm
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Its probably supposed to symbolise a chimney sweep... Vaillant boilers
have a diagnostic mode where you can get them to run the fan at max speed
to attempt to blow anything out of the flue that should not be there.

Probably right, given that the top hat is the traditional sign of a
chimney sweep.

Is it? I never knew that. A chimney sweep's brush (long pole with a ring of
bristles at right angles to the shaft) would have been a much better icon
for them to use.

If they allowed speech bubbles as well, the sweep could be saying "this is a
right PILLOCK of a job", which is the phrase a chimney sweep used every few
minutes to describe the problems of sweeping our chimney which goes up and
then bends at 45 degrees in two directions, making it difficult for him to
reach some of the soot to shovel it out into the bag after he'd loosened it
with the brush. Now whenever I don't want to do a difficult job, I have a
standing joke with my wife: "it'll be a right pillock of a job" :-)

"NY" wrote in message
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In message , John Rumm
writes

Its probably supposed to symbolise a chimney sweep... Vaillant boilers
have a diagnostic mode where you can get them to run the fan at max speed
to attempt to blow anything out of the flue that should not be there.

Probably right, given that the top hat is the traditional sign of a
chimney sweep.

Is it? I never knew that.

Did they really all wear top hats ? Even the kids ? Hardly any of these do
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=c...sweep&tbm=isch

A chimney sweep's brush (long pole with a ring of bristles at right angles
to the shaft) would have been a much better icon for them to use.

Dunno, less clear how many know they use brushes like that or have ever
seen any chimney sweep with any of its tools at all, let alone working.

If they allowed speech bubbles as well, the sweep could be saying "this is
a right PILLOCK of a job", which is the phrase a chimney sweep used every
few minutes to describe the problems of sweeping our chimney which goes up
and then bends at 45 degrees in two directions, making it difficult for
him to reach some of the soot to shovel it out into the bag after he'd
loosened it with the brush.

Trouble is today it would be in polish or
romanian and no one would understand it.

Now whenever I don't want to do a difficult job, I have a standing joke
with my wife: "it'll be a right pillock of a job" :-)

I'd have you publicly flogged if you hadn't so obviously enjoyed it the last
time, boy.