[Mick.]

Hi all,

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get" shopping
list on.



I bought a dry black marker pen and tried it, but it is not easily removed
and will end up a black mess.



Is there a type of paint I could use to get a better finish to use like
this?

Mick.

[Ronald Raygun]

Mick. wrote:

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get"
shopping list on.

Presumably the plan is that, when the time comes to go shopping, you
then unhinge the door and take it shopping with you. Either that or
you copy the list onto the back of an envelope.

Cosmic, as Rodney used to say.

Might it not be easier to put a hook on the inside of the door, and
hang said tatty bit of paper from it using a bulldog clip? Then
you can simply take the piece of paper with you.

[Tim Watts]

On 05/12/10 12:26, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Mick. wrote:

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get"
shopping list on.

Presumably the plan is that, when the time comes to go shopping, you
then unhinge the door and take it shopping with you. Either that or
you copy the list onto the back of an envelope.

Cosmic, as Rodney used to say.

Might it not be easier to put a hook on the inside of the door, and
hang said tatty bit of paper from it using a bulldog clip? Then
you can simply take the piece of paper with you.


I'd cam-phone-photo the back of the door and refer to that in the shop -
simples.

--
Tim Watts

[The Natural Philosopher[_2_]]

Mick. wrote:
Hi all,

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get" shopping
list on.



I bought a dry black marker pen and tried it, but it is not easily removed
and will end up a black mess.



wrong pen. go for ones meant for whiteboards

Is there a type of paint I could use to get a better finish to use like
this?

just buy a bit of whiteboard cheap and remove the frame and glue inside,
if it don't work with proper pens.
Mick.

[Ronald Raygun]

Tim Watts wrote:

On 05/12/10 12:26, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Mick. wrote:

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get"
shopping list on.

Might it not be easier to put a hook on the inside of the door, and
hang said tatty bit of paper from it using a bulldog clip? Then
you can simply take the piece of paper with you.

I'd cam-phone-photo the back of the door and refer to that in the shop -
simples.

Yeah right. Cosmic again. It's ergonomically very poor.

A phone screen is far too small to be able to see anything useful on without
having to zoom in and pan around, which means you lose the "bigger picture",
as it were, and it's hellish fiddly. Low-tech paper wins hands-down, and
has the added advantage that you can cross items off the list as you go.

[Tim Watts]

On 05/12/10 13:30, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

On 05/12/10 12:26, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Mick. wrote:

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get"
shopping list on.

Might it not be easier to put a hook on the inside of the door, and
hang said tatty bit of paper from it using a bulldog clip? Then
you can simply take the piece of paper with you.

I'd cam-phone-photo the back of the door and refer to that in the shop -
simples.

Yeah right. Cosmic again. It's ergonomically very poor.

A phone screen is far too small to be able to see anything useful on without
having to zoom in and pan around, which means you lose the "bigger picture",
as it were, and it's hellish fiddly. Low-tech paper wins hands-down, and
has the added advantage that you can cross items off the list as you go.


Adopting your tone:

Yeah right. *if* you haven't run out of paper. *If* the pen is there and
works.

I *always* have my phone to hand

/snotty tone off

You see, people have opinions and just because they're not yours,
doesn't make them stupid...

--
Tim Watts

[The Medway Handyman[_3_]]

Ronald Raygun wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

On 05/12/10 12:26, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Mick. wrote:

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get"
shopping list on.

Might it not be easier to put a hook on the inside of the door, and
hang said tatty bit of paper from it using a bulldog clip? Then
you can simply take the piece of paper with you.

I'd cam-phone-photo the back of the door and refer to that in the
shop - simples.

Yeah right. Cosmic again. It's ergonomically very poor.

A phone screen is far too small to be able to see anything useful on
without having to zoom in and pan around, which means you lose the
"bigger picture", as it were, and it's hellish fiddly. Low-tech
paper wins hands-down, and has the added advantage that you can cross
items off the list as you go.

Bit like the Space Pen compared to a pencil.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "The Medway Handyman"
saying something like:

Bit like the Space Pen compared to a pencil.

The Space Pen that NASA didn't develop?
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
Normally, I 'ates snopes, but at least they have the right of it this
time.

[Man at B&Q]

On Dec 5, 1:14*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Mick. wrote:
Hi all,

* * * * I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get" shopping
list on.

I bought a dry black marker pen and tried it, but it is not easily removed
and will end up a black mess.

wrong pen. go for ones meant for whiteboards

Which bit of "dry ... marker" are you struggling with? Thatr *is* a
whiteboard pen.

It's the surface that's wrong. We had a recent off ice refit and all
the "white boards" had to be re-refitted as the supplier or contractor
had screwed up and tried to use what seemed like ordinary melamine.
White boartds are *much* smoother and shinier.

MBQ

[The Natural Philosopher[_2_]]

Man at B&Q wrote:
On Dec 5, 1:14 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Mick. wrote:
Hi all,
I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get" shopping
list on.
I bought a dry black marker pen and tried it, but it is not easily removed
and will end up a black mess.
wrong pen. go for ones meant for whiteboards

Which bit of "dry ... marker" are you struggling with? Thatr *is* a
whiteboard pen.


the bit where dry marker also means indelible ink marker pen for parcels
and the like.


It's the surface that's wrong. We had a recent off ice refit and all
the "white boards" had to be re-refitted as the supplier or contractor
had screwed up and tried to use what seemed like ordinary melamine.
White boartds are *much* smoother and shinier.


So buy a whiteboard and fit it inside the cupboard door, then,



MBQ

[Tim Watts]

On 05/12/10 17:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


So buy a whiteboard and fit it inside the cupboard door, then,



MBQ


I once made a really good dry-wipe tablet out of a bit of ply covered
with sticky back plastic. It worked great with "nobo" type dry wipe pens
- which BTW you can get with small tips rather than blackboard grade
wide tips.

Probably could make a pretty good board for a cupboard door with some
artist's white "mount card" (the really heavy smooth thick stuff)
covered with said plastic.



--
Tim Watts

[Gareth[_3_]]

On 05/12/2010 12:17, Mick. wrote:
Hi all,

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get" shopping
list on.



I bought a dry black marker pen and tried it, but it is not easily removed
and will end up a black mess.



Is there a type of paint I could use to get a better finish to use like
this?


Not sure about white board paint, but you can get black board paint
which you can write on with chalk if that is of any use.

[Ronald Raygun]

Tim Watts wrote:

On 05/12/10 13:30, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:
On 05/12/10 12:26, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Mick. wrote:

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get"
shopping list on.

Might it not be easier to put a hook on the inside of the door, and
hang said tatty bit of paper from it using a bulldog clip? Then
you can simply take the piece of paper with you.

I'd cam-phone-photo the back of the door and refer to that in the shop -
simples.

Yeah right. Cosmic again. It's ergonomically very poor.

A phone screen is far too small to be able to see anything useful on
without having to zoom in and pan around, which means you lose the
"bigger picture",
as it were, and it's hellish fiddly. Low-tech paper wins hands-down, and
has the added advantage that you can cross items off the list as you go.

Adopting your tone:

Yeah right. *if* you haven't run out of paper. *If* the pen is there and
works.

I *always* have my phone to hand

/snotty tone off

You see, people have opinions and just because they're not yours,
doesn't make them stupid...

My tone was tongue in cheek and I apologise if it made you take offence.
But if you disagree with the substance of what I said, I respectfully
suggest that attacking my tone is a poor substitute for arguing in a
well-reasoned fashion with the views expressed.

It is my opinion that the idea of using a phone to photograph a shopping
list is stupid. I've explained why that is my opinion. It has nothing to
do with it not being my idea.

I take your point of not running out of paper, but I reckon the danger of
that is pretty low. Used envelopes are ideal for shopping lists, and they
tend to be in plentiful supply.

Your point about the pen being there and working is vacuous because it
applies just as much to the white board marker, if not more so.

[Man at B&Q]

On Dec 5, 5:35*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Dec 5, 1:14 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Mick. wrote:
Hi all,
* * * * I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get" shopping
list on.
I bought a dry black marker pen and tried it, but it is not easily removed
and will end up a black mess.
wrong pen. go for ones meant for whiteboards

Which bit of "dry ... marker" are you struggling with? Thatr *is* a
whiteboard pen.

the bit where dry marker also means indelible ink marker pen for parcels
and the like.

Not relevant in the context of *white board* pens.

MBQ

[Gareth[_3_]]

On 05/12/2010 17:59, Man at B&Q wrote:
On Dec 5, 5:35 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Dec 5, 1:14 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Mick. wrote:
Hi all,
I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get" shopping
list on.
I bought a dry black marker pen and tried it, but it is not easily removed
and will end up a black mess.
wrong pen. go for ones meant for whiteboards

Which bit of "dry ... marker" are you struggling with? Thatr *is* a
whiteboard pen.

the bit where dry marker also means indelible ink marker pen for parcels
and the like.

Not relevant in the context of *white board* pens.

It could be very relevant if the OP has simply used the wrong type of
dry marker.

[Andy Dingley]

On Dec 5, 6:25*pm, Gareth wrote:

It could be very relevant if the OP has simply used the wrong type of
dry marker.

How many types of "dry" marker are there? Not by solvent, as I assume
there are many variations, but by function. What else does "dry"
marker ever mean except "suitable for dry wiping from whiteboards".
There is no other purpose for them. They're no use for writing on
anything else (even paper flip charts), nothing else is usabble on
whiteboards.

[Andy Dingley]

On Dec 5, 12:17*pm, "Mick." wrote:

* * * * I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get" shopping
list on.

Fasten an A4 / A5 notepad in there, with an attached pen, and tear the
sheet off to take with you.

IMHE, in my search for whiteboard materials (which spans twenty years
of searching, even joining Buddhist monasteries in my search) there is
no substitute for a _real_ hard laminate whiteboard. Even the "toy"
whiteboards sold outside the commercial stationers (Ikea, etc) aren't
much use - they're OK for short use, but the ink bleeds into them and
shadows. If there's a way to make your own, I don't know it. You can
cover white board with stick-on clear plastic, which is about the best
substitute, but even that's not much good.

Also, there's no shortage of spare whiteboards. S/H or skip-diving
outside offices (two nice six-footers last year, and a A-frame
flipchart).

If you really want a whiteboard in there, get a real one and stick it
on. However it's hard to then take the list with you.

[Gareth[_3_]]

On 05/12/2010 19:05, Andy Dingley wrote:
On Dec 5, 6:25 pm, Gareth wrote:

It could be very relevant if the OP has simply used the wrong type of
dry marker.

How many types of "dry" marker are there?

Quite a few actually:

http://www.staedtler.com/Lumocolor_d...kers.Staedtler

Which are not necessarily the same as whiteboard pens, for example:

http://www.staedtler.com/Lumocolor_w...kers.Staedtler

[Tim Watts]

On 05/12/10 17:54, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

On 05/12/10 13:30, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:
On 05/12/10 12:26, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Mick. wrote:

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get"
shopping list on.

Might it not be easier to put a hook on the inside of the door, and
hang said tatty bit of paper from it using a bulldog clip? Then
you can simply take the piece of paper with you.

I'd cam-phone-photo the back of the door and refer to that in the shop -
simples.

Yeah right. Cosmic again. It's ergonomically very poor.

A phone screen is far too small to be able to see anything useful on
without having to zoom in and pan around, which means you lose the
"bigger picture",
as it were, and it's hellish fiddly. Low-tech paper wins hands-down, and
has the added advantage that you can cross items off the list as you go.

Adopting your tone:

Yeah right. *if* you haven't run out of paper. *If* the pen is there and
works.

I *always* have my phone to hand

/snotty tone off

You see, people have opinions and just because they're not yours,
doesn't make them stupid...

My tone was tongue in cheek and I apologise if it made you take offence.

Ah.

May I recommend one of these: ;-


;-

No offence - and *I* should remember that tone carries poorly in a
written medium, so sorry from me too...

But if you disagree with the substance of what I said, I respectfully
suggest that attacking my tone is a poor substitute for arguing in a
well-reasoned fashion with the views expressed.

Sometimes the patience is a little thin.

It is my opinion that the idea of using a phone to photograph a shopping
list is stupid. I've explained why that is my opinion. It has nothing to
do with it not being my idea.

I think your opinion is fine, but it would be worth noting that it is a
very subjective opinion and blanket statements like "stupid" are best
reserved for statements which are more clear cut, like cutting Speedfit
with a hacksaw (there's a story there)

I take your point of not running out of paper, but I reckon the danger of
that is pretty low. Used envelopes are ideal for shopping lists, and they
tend to be in plentiful supply.

Your point about the pen being there and working is vacuous because it
applies just as much to the white board marker, if not more so.


In my house the probability of the pen or paper being nicked by the kids
or either running out but the discoverer forgetting to mention it (or,
heavens forbid, but more) is pretty high.

For me, I iPhone-cam lots of random things - lists, posters I want to
get the details off later, SKU codes in B&Q of products that might be
useful later - I do agree reading is hard work, but my eyes are good and
it's outweighed by the fact that for other reasons, I must always carry
a charged phone but seldom have paper or a pen to hand.

--
Tim Watts

[Adrian]

On 05/12/2010 5:35 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Which bit of "dry ... marker" are you struggling with? Thatr *is* a
whiteboard pen.

the bit where dry marker also means indelible ink marker pen for parcels
and the like.

I've never come across them described as anything but permanent markers.

"dry" is usually used in conjunction with "wipe" to describe whiteboard
pens, though.

[Adrian]

On 05/12/2010 7:10 PM, Andy Dingley wrote:
I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get" shopping
list on.

Fasten an A4 / A5 notepad in there, with an attached pen, and tear the
sheet off to take with you.

I've now got a mental image of somebody wandering around the supermarket
trying to juggle an A0 flipchart sheet with their shopping list on...

[Jim K[_3_]]

On Dec 6, 7:39 am, Adrian wrote:
On 05/12/2010 7:10 PM, Andy Dingley wrote:

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get" shopping
list on.
Fasten an A4 / A5 notepad in there, with an attached pen, and tear the
sheet off to take with you.

I've now got a mental image of somebody wandering around the supermarket
trying to juggle an A0 flipchart sheet with their shopping list on...

then loading it up with the shopping and sledging home?

Jim K

[matthelliwell]

On Dec 5, 9:15*pm, Tim Watts wrote:
For me, I iPhone-cam lots of random things - lists, posters I want to
get the details off later, SKU codes in B&Q of products that might be
useful later - I do agree reading is hard work, but my eyes are good and
it's outweighed by the fact that for other reasons, I must always carry
a charged phone but seldom have paper or a pen to hand.

Glad to see I'm not the only one then. I upload them to Evernote so I
can get them on the PC as well, not to mention tag and search for
them.

Matt

[Andy Dingley]

On Dec 5, 9:07*pm, Gareth wrote:
On 05/12/2010 19:05, Andy Dingley wrote:

On Dec 5, 6:25 pm, Gareth wrote:

It could be very relevant if the OP has simply used the wrong type of
dry marker.

How many types of "dry" marker are there? *

Quite a few actually:

http://www.staedtler.com/Lumocolor_d...kers.Staedtler

OK, so Staedtler call Chinagraphs "dry markers". Yanks call them
"glass markers", so I guess why not.

So lets not use those then, clearly the wrong thing. Anyone really
think that's what TNP meant here?

[Stuart Noble]

On 06/12/2010 09:37, Jim K wrote:
On Dec 6, 7:39 am, wrote:
On 05/12/2010 7:10 PM, Andy Dingley wrote:

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get" shopping
list on.
Fasten an A4 / A5 notepad in there, with an attached pen, and tear the
sheet off to take with you.

I've now got a mental image of somebody wandering around the supermarket
trying to juggle an A0 flipchart sheet with their shopping list on...

then loading it up with the shopping and sledging home?

Jim K

I'm surprised Tim can't suggest a type of felt tip pen that wipes off
anything with a damp cloth, particularly emulsioned walls. I mean, he
does have kids!

[Tim Watts]

On 06/12/10 12:09, stuart noble wrote:
On 06/12/2010 09:37, Jim K wrote:
On Dec 6, 7:39 am, wrote:
On 05/12/2010 7:10 PM, Andy Dingley wrote:

I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get"
shopping
list on.
Fasten an A4 / A5 notepad in there, with an attached pen, and tear the
sheet off to take with you.

I've now got a mental image of somebody wandering around the supermarket
trying to juggle an A0 flipchart sheet with their shopping list on...

then loading it up with the shopping and sledging home?

Jim K

I'm surprised Tim can't suggest a type of felt tip pen that wipes off
anything with a damp cloth, particularly emulsioned walls. I mean, he
does have kids!

Their botties got trained not to do that a looong time ago.

BTW - nappie wipes get almost anything off emulsion...

--
Tim Watts

[Man at B&Q]

On Dec 5, 9:07*pm, Gareth wrote:
On 05/12/2010 19:05, Andy Dingley wrote:

On Dec 5, 6:25 pm, Gareth wrote:

It could be very relevant if the OP has simply used the wrong type of
dry marker.

How many types of "dry" marker are there? *

Quite a few actually:

http://www.staedtler.com/Lumocolor_d...kers.Staedtler

Which are not necessarily the same as whiteboard pens,

Nothing like whiteboard pens FFS.

Where are the rest of your "quite a few"?

MBQ

[The Medway Handyman[_3_]]

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "The Medway Handyman"
saying something like:

Bit like the Space Pen compared to a pencil.

The Space Pen that NASA didn't develop?

Yup. Never let the truth interfere with a good story :-)


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

[The Natural Philosopher[_2_]]

Gareth wrote:
On 05/12/2010 19:05, Andy Dingley wrote:
On Dec 5, 6:25 pm, Gareth wrote:

It could be very relevant if the OP has simply used the wrong type of
dry marker.
How many types of "dry" marker are there?

Quite a few actually:

http://www.staedtler.com/Lumocolor_d...kers.Staedtler

Which are not necessarily the same as whiteboard pens, for example:

http://www.staedtler.com/Lumocolor_w...kers.Staedtler


Yup. That ws what I ws tring to say

'dry' means 'solvent based' rather than 'water based' but that doesn't
tell you if once the solvent has gone, what's left is a powdery wipable
pigment, or a hard set resin that is ineradicable.

[The Natural Philosopher[_2_]]

Andy Dingley wrote:
On Dec 5, 9:07 pm, Gareth wrote:
On 05/12/2010 19:05, Andy Dingley wrote:

On Dec 5, 6:25 pm, Gareth wrote:
It could be very relevant if the OP has simply used the wrong type of
dry marker.
How many types of "dry" marker are there?
Quite a few actually:

http://www.staedtler.com/Lumocolor_d...kers.Staedtler

OK, so Staedtler call Chinagraphs "dry markers". Yanks call them
"glass markers", so I guess why not.

So lets not use those then, clearly the wrong thing. Anyone really
think that's what TNP meant here?

yes, that was exactly what I meant.

After many years in an odffice that used two types of 'dry marker' - one
for whiteboards and one for parcels and (moderately intelligent) people
were forever grabbing the wrong one out of the stationary cupboard..and
permanently wrecking the whiteboards.

[The Natural Philosopher[_2_]]

Adrian wrote:
On 05/12/2010 5:35 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Which bit of "dry ... marker" are you struggling with? Thatr *is* a
whiteboard pen.

the bit where dry marker also means indelible ink marker pen for parcels
and the like.

I've never come across them described as anything but permanent markers.

"dry" is usually used in conjunction with "wipe" to describe whiteboard
pens, though.

To me dry was always 'fast drying' i.e. solvent based or 'dry' as in not
wet=not water based.

[Andy Dingley]

On Dec 6, 6:08*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

After many years in an odffice that used two types of 'dry marker' - one
for whiteboards and one for parcels and (moderately intelligent) people
were forever grabbing the wrong one out of the stationary cupboard..and
permanently wrecking the whiteboards.

I've worked with some monumentally stupid people over the years, but
I've never seen anyone take a Chinagraph to a whiteboard.

Nor have I yet seen a "permanently wrecked" whiteboard that didn't
respond to xylene or cyclohexane.

[The Natural Philosopher[_2_]]

Andy Dingley wrote:
On Dec 6, 6:08 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

After many years in an odffice that used two types of 'dry marker' - one
for whiteboards and one for parcels and (moderately intelligent) people
were forever grabbing the wrong one out of the stationary cupboard..and
permanently wrecking the whiteboards.

I've worked with some monumentally stupid people over the years, but
I've never seen anyone take a Chinagraph to a whiteboard.

Nor have I yet seen a "permanently wrecked" whiteboard that didn't
respond to xylene or cyclohexane.

It got most of it off, but it was permanently stained.

[Jim K[_3_]]

On Dec 6, 7:33 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
On Dec 6, 6:08 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

After many years in an odffice that used two types of 'dry marker' - one
for whiteboards and one for parcels and (moderately intelligent) people
were forever grabbing the wrong one out of the stationary cupboard..and
permanently wrecking the whiteboards.

I've worked with some monumentally stupid people over the years, but
I've never seen anyone take a Chinagraph to a whiteboard.

Nor have I yet seen a "permanently wrecked" whiteboard that didn't
respond to xylene or cyclohexane.

It got most of it off, but it was permanently stained.

an off-white board?

Jim K

[dennis@home]

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Dec 6, 6:08 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

After many years in an odffice that used two types of 'dry marker' - one
for whiteboards and one for parcels and (moderately intelligent) people
were forever grabbing the wrong one out of the stationary cupboard..and
permanently wrecking the whiteboards.

I've worked with some monumentally stupid people over the years, but
I've never seen anyone take a Chinagraph to a whiteboard.

I have seen chinagraph on a whiteboard.. it wipes off but can leave it waxy.

Everyone I know calls whiteboard pens dry wipe markers BTW.. you can wipe
them off using a dry wiper.

Nor have I yet seen a "permanently wrecked" whiteboard that didn't
respond to xylene or cyclohexane.

[Mick.]

Hi all,
I ended up lamanating some white card ans sticking that on the inside
of the door!
It works ok.
Thanks,
Mick.

[Thomas Prufer]

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:14:58 -0800 (PST), Andy Dingley
wrote:

I've worked with some monumentally stupid people over the years, but
I've never seen anyone take a Chinagraph to a whiteboard.

Nor have I yet seen a "permanently wrecked" whiteboard that didn't
respond to xylene or cyclohexane.

Ha. A new whiteboard: "Oi, don't use that sponge, there's a special wiper thing
for it. I'll get it, OK?"

Two minutes later, it had been "cleaned" with the Scotch-Brite side of a sponge.

Thomas Prufer

[Man at B&Q]

On Dec 6, 7:14*pm, Andy Dingley wrote:
On Dec 6, 6:08*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

After many years in an odffice that used two types of 'dry marker' - one
for whiteboards and one for parcels and (moderately intelligent) people
were forever grabbing the wrong one out of the stationary cupboard..and
permanently wrecking the whiteboards.

I've worked with some monumentally stupid people over the years, but
I've never seen anyone take a Chinagraph to a whiteboard.

Nor have I yet seen a "permanently wrecked" whiteboard that didn't
respond to xylene or cyclohexane.

Indeed. All our meeting rooms are equipped with a bottle for when
someone uses a flipchart marker on the whiteboard.

MBQ

[Andy Dingley]

On Dec 6, 7:51*pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:

I've worked with some monumentally stupid people over the years, but
I've never seen anyone take a Chinagraph to a whiteboard.

I have seen chinagraph on a whiteboard..




Nothing to add.

[Andrew May]

Ronald Raygun wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

On 05/12/10 12:26, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Mick. wrote:
I had the bright idea of using the white of the inside of one of my
new kitchen wall cupboards, as a board to write my "need to get"
shopping list on.
Might it not be easier to put a hook on the inside of the door, and
hang said tatty bit of paper from it using a bulldog clip? Then
you can simply take the piece of paper with you.
I'd cam-phone-photo the back of the door and refer to that in the shop -
simples.

Yeah right. Cosmic again. It's ergonomically very poor.

A phone screen is far too small to be able to see anything useful on without
having to zoom in and pan around, which means you lose the "bigger picture",
as it were, and it's hellish fiddly. Low-tech paper wins hands-down, and
has the added advantage that you can cross items off the list as you go.


Nah. What he needs is an iPhone app that will photograph the door, do a
character recognition of what is written to produce a list, parse said
list and query the website of each local supermarket. Then tell the OP
where to go to get the best price for the whole basket. Then as the OP
shops he photographs the bar code on each product as he puts it in the
basket and crosses it off the list. Simples.