I'm about to change the dining room floor and while at it thought I would
run some Cat5e to where the TV / PS3 lives back to the router / slave PC in
the hall cupboard.
Is there any advantage on using Cat6?
The rest of the house has been done in Cat5.
I'd hate to do it then find I really need Cat6 in a year or so.

Cheers.

RoundSquare wrote:

I'm about to change the dining room floor and while at it thought I would
run some Cat5e to where the TV / PS3 lives back to the router / slave PC in
the hall cupboard.
Is there any advantage on using Cat6?

Only if you expect to use 10Gb ethernet!

On 2010-11-16 12:28:59 +0000, RoundSquare said:

I'm about to change the dining room floor and while at it thought I
would run some Cat5e to where the TV / PS3 lives back to the router /
slave PC in the hall cupboard.
Is there any advantage on using Cat6?
The rest of the house has been done in Cat5.
I'd hate to do it then find I really need Cat6 in a year or so.

You're unlikely to need/spot any difference between cat5e and cat6
anytime soon. And cat6 is more of a faff to cable up (thicker, larger
minimum bend radius, etc).

Having said that as part of my rewire I'm using cat6, cos I never want
to have to rewire again and it would be a shame to have to just because
I wanted to save some pennies now.

"RoundSquare" bigbad@hole wrote in message
...
I'm about to change the dining room floor and while at it thought I would
run some Cat5e to where the TV / PS3 lives back to the router / slave PC
in the hall cupboard.
Is there any advantage on using Cat6?
The rest of the house has been done in Cat5.
I'd hate to do it then find I really need Cat6 in a year or so.

Over short lengths you are unlikely to notice any difference.
Over 100m you might.

On Nov 16, 12:28*pm, "RoundSquare" bigbad@hole wrote:
I'm about to change the dining room floor and while at it thought I would
run some Cat5e to where the TV / PS3 lives back to the router / slave PC in
the hall cupboard.
Is there any advantage on using Cat6?
The rest of the house has been done in Cat5.
I'd hate to do it then find I really need Cat6 in a year or so.

Cheers.

How far do you think computers will change in 10 or 20 years?


NT

On Nov 16, 1:19*pm, Tabby wrote:
On Nov 16, 12:28*pm, "RoundSquare" bigbad@hole wrote:

I'm about to change the dining room floor and while at it thought I would
run some Cat5e to where the TV / PS3 lives back to the router / slave PC in
the hall cupboard.
Is there any advantage on using Cat6?
The rest of the house has been done in Cat5.
I'd hate to do it then find I really need Cat6 in a year or so.

Cheers.

How far do you think computers will change in 10 or 20 years?

;-) far enough to not need Cat5 or Cat6! I don't think any network
cabling you could have conceived of in 1990 would be in any way
relevant today.

Cat6 doesn't seem to be taking over yet, but the incremental price
difference isn't _that_ great - it's nothing compared with your time
_now_, never mind the time involved in re-doing it when all decoration
has been done.

I wonder if Cat6 might be even more versatile in the exotic non-IP-
related uses of Cat5? e.g.
http://www.nexxia.co.uk/products.asp...%20AV%20Baluns
(link is only an example - you can make this stuff yourself quite
cheaply)

Cheers,
David.

David Robinson wrote:

I don't think any network cabling you could have conceived of
in 1990 would be in any way relevant today.

Actually, 10Mb Ethernet over cat3 cable was introduced in 1990 and the
standard for cat5 cable was published in 1991 which will still work
today with 10Mb, 100Mb or 1Gb Ethernet, and I can't see much pressure
for 10Gb or 40Gb Ethernet in most businesses yet, let alone houses.

Sunny Bard wrote:
David Robinson wrote:

I don't think any network cabling you could have conceived of
in 1990 would be in any way relevant today.

Actually, 10Mb Ethernet over cat3 cable was introduced in 1990 and the
standard for cat5 cable was published in 1991 which will still work
today with 10Mb, 100Mb or 1Gb Ethernet, and I can't see much pressure
for 10Gb or 40Gb Ethernet in most businesses yet, let alone houses.


well I need 100GBps in my house RIGHT NOW

so if you have a spare 100GBps switch...

On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:50:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Sunny Bard wrote:
David Robinson wrote:

I don't think any network cabling you could have conceived of
in 1990 would be in any way relevant today.

Actually, 10Mb Ethernet over cat3 cable was introduced in 1990 and the
standard for cat5 cable was published in 1991 which will still work
today with 10Mb, 100Mb or 1Gb Ethernet, and I can't see much pressure
for 10Gb or 40Gb Ethernet in most businesses yet, let alone houses.


well I need 100GBps in my house RIGHT NOW

so if you have a spare 100GBps switch...

100GB/s??? Even if you mean 100Gb/s that's extremely fast and I'll
bet all the kit is /very/ expensive. I didn't think you could even
buy such hardware yet.
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On 16/11/10 17:40, Sunny Bard wrote:
David Robinson wrote:

I don't think any network cabling you could have conceived of
in 1990 would be in any way relevant today.

Actually, 10Mb Ethernet over cat3 cable was introduced in 1990 and the
standard for cat5 cable was published in 1991 which will still work
today with 10Mb, 100Mb or 1Gb Ethernet, and I can't see much pressure
for 10Gb or 40Gb Ethernet in most businesses yet, let alone houses.

I can - I can usefully utilise 50% of a gig link pushing media files
around (that's copying not streaming) *whilst* doing other stuff. My
802.11g WiFi can stream VCD quality media video at the expense of other
activity.

With HD this will get rapidly worse, especial as "media servers"
(prebuilt and the likes of MythTV) are becoming more popular.

I would certainly run Cat6a now, unless conduit is installed.

--
Tim Watts

Tim Watts wrote:

On 16/11/10 17:40, Sunny Bard wrote:

I can't see much pressure
for 10Gb or 40Gb Ethernet in most businesses yet, let alone houses.

I can

Admittedly many businesses bundle together multiple 1Gb links because
that's cheaper than using 10GbE links.

I can usefully utilise 50% of a gig link pushing media files
around

But I bet you're less keen to spend £500 to £1000 per NIC and several
grand on a 10GbE switch ;-)

In article ,
Tim Watts writes:
On 16/11/10 17:40, Sunny Bard wrote:
David Robinson wrote:

I don't think any network cabling you could have conceived of
in 1990 would be in any way relevant today.

Actually, 10Mb Ethernet over cat3 cable was introduced in 1990 and the
standard for cat5 cable was published in 1991 which will still work
today with 10Mb, 100Mb or 1Gb Ethernet, and I can't see much pressure
for 10Gb or 40Gb Ethernet in most businesses yet, let alone houses.

I can - I can usefully utilise 50% of a gig link pushing media files
around (that's copying not streaming) *whilst* doing other stuff. My
802.11g WiFi can stream VCD quality media video at the expense of other
activity.

I just about saturate my gig ethernet when doing backups.
That is also about the limit of sustained disk throughput on
the fileserver, so increasing network bandwidth would make no
difference.

My networking is all Cat5e, installed about 10 years ago,
but was only run at 10/100Mb at that time. Bumped up to 1Gb
around 4 years ago.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Nov 16, 5:13*pm, David Robinson
wrote:
On Nov 16, 1:19*pm, Tabby wrote:

On Nov 16, 12:28*pm, "RoundSquare" bigbad@hole wrote:

I'm about to change the dining room floor and while at it thought I would
run some Cat5e to where the TV / PS3 lives back to the router / slave PC in
the hall cupboard.
Is there any advantage on using Cat6?
The rest of the house has been done in Cat5.
I'd hate to do it then find I really need Cat6 in a year or so.

Cheers.

How far do you think computers will change in 10 or 20 years?

;-) far enough to not need Cat5 or Cat6! I don't think any network
cabling you could have conceived of in 1990 would be in any way
relevant today.

10M ethernet over coax from about 85 would still be serviceable today.
Maybe I should have been less vague on the time span, but point is
there will be a period where some of todays standards are still
usable, some not. OTOH there's far more cat5 installed than cat6, and
that factor alone makes a difference to what remains viable.

Placing a few net cables in parallel costs next to nothing extra, and
could prolong service further.


NT

If you're really in that desperate need of bandwidth go for fibre and
be done with!

"1501" wrote in message
...
If you're really in that desperate need of bandwidth go for fibre and
be done with!


SM or MM?
I wonder how far Intel has got with its 10G to the home stuff?

On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:13:07 -0800 (PST), David Robinson
wrote:

I wonder if Cat6 might be even more versatile in the exotic non-IP-
related uses of Cat5? e.g.
http://www.nexxia.co.uk/products.asp...rs&category =
=3DCAT5%20AV%20Baluns
(link is only an example - you can make this stuff yourself quite
cheaply)

Can you tell us more?

I was thinking about installing some cat? to send AV over. I figure it
would be easier to drop cat down oval conduit and attach a balun on
the end, whereas s-video, hdmi, and scart would be too thick to drop
down conduit and a nightmare to solder the plugs back on!

Where's good place to buy cat? cable from in smaller quantities. I'm
not sure I really need hundreds of metres yet.

Is there any advantage using stp?

Tabby wrote:
On Nov 16, 12:28 pm, "RoundSquare" bigbad@hole wrote:
I'm about to change the dining room floor and while at it thought I would
run some Cat5e to where the TV / PS3 lives back to the router / slave PC in
the hall cupboard.
Is there any advantage on using Cat6?
The rest of the house has been done in Cat5.
I'd hate to do it then find I really need Cat6 in a year or so.

Cheers.

How far do you think computers will change in 10 or 20 years?



To be unrecognisable as computers, I would say.

You wont but a 'computer' and load 'software' on it.

You will have an appliance, with apps.

Most of which will be cloud based, not on the computer at all.


NT

On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:28:59 -0000, "RoundSquare" bigbad@hole wrote:

I'm about to change the dining room floor and while at it thought I would
run some Cat5e to where the TV / PS3 lives back to the router / slave PC in
the hall cupboard.
Is there any advantage on using Cat6?
The rest of the house has been done in Cat5.
I'd hate to do it then find I really need Cat6 in a year or so.

If you run the cable in conduit it should be pretty trivial to change
the cable at a later date.

--
Frank Erskine

On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:28:59 -0000, "RoundSquare" bigbad@hole wrote:

I'm about to change the dining room floor and while at it thought I would
run some Cat5e to where the TV / PS3 lives back to the router / slave PC in
the hall cupboard.
Is there any advantage on using Cat6?
The rest of the house has been done in Cat5.
I'd hate to do it then find I really need Cat6 in a year or so.

I'd always install the best possible cable available at the time
because it's a pain to replace if you need to.
--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) Due to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and
(")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking some articles
posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by
everyone you will need use a different method of posting.

Thanks guys for the interesting debates.
However after reading this article about the pitfalls of Cat6 I'm not sure I
even want to attempt it now.

http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/Insta...6-Cabling.html

On 2010-11-18 22:54:34 +0000, RoundSquare said:

Thanks guys for the interesting debates.
However after reading this article about the pitfalls of Cat6 I'm not
sure I even want to attempt it now.

http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/Insta...6-Cabling.html

Thanks

for the link - I had read it before and was the reason I made the
conclusion I did (it's a bit more of a faff, but I couldn't find it
again this time!

However, I don't think this is necessarily a good reason _not_ to
install Cat 6. If you make mistakes in cabling Cat 6 the worst that's
going to happen is you wasted the difference in price by having nothing
better than Cat5e, unless you end up doing something that would also
have ruined cat5e!

Piers