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IC-based power amps Maplin "50W HiFi"
On 1 Oct, 20:07, Dave Osborne wrote:
I recently came across this (it's been around for ten years, but passed me by): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gainclone Says it all really. HiFi as a concept is pretty dead for me. Almost everything audio sounds 'good enough' these days (if used in an appropriate context, natch). There's a very interesting design in 'Elektor' magazine this month, for a power amplifier using lots of op-amps in parallel, by Douglas Self. Seems a very good idea, I haven't heard of it before, with advantages including no heatsinks and their asociated assembly difficulties, because the dissipation is divided among the chips, 32 of them in this case, fully protected against short circuits, due to the self-protecting nature of each op-amp, amplifiers can be paralleled to work into a lower load impedance, as each op-amp has a 1- ohm resistor at it's output, these are all effectively in parallel to give a very low source impedance. |
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On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:15:28 +0100, tony sayer wrote:
I also have a pair of Spendor BC1s that I'm not using but can't bear to part with. Another very good English designed speaker).. Good for speech not quite so nice in music. -- Cheers Dave. |
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In article o.uk, Dave
Liquorice scribeth thus On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:15:28 +0100, tony sayer wrote: I also have a pair of Spendor BC1s that I'm not using but can't bear to part with. Another very good English designed speaker).. Good for speech not quite so nice in music. In what way?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On 5/10/2010 8:36 p.m., Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:15:28 +0100, tony sayer wrote: I also have a pair of Spendor BC1s that I'm not using but can't bear to part with. Another very good English designed speaker).. Good for speech not quite so nice in music. The voice is just another instrument, isn't it? What sort of music are you thinking of? |
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On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:15:39 +0100, tony sayer wrote:
Another very good English designed speaker).. Good for speech not quite so nice in music. In what way?.. Bit "light" and don't go particulary loud, I liked LS5/8's. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Gib Bogle wrote:
On 5/10/2010 8:36 p.m., Dave Liquorice wrote: On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:15:28 +0100, tony sayer wrote: I also have a pair of Spendor BC1s that I'm not using but can't bear to part with. Another very good English designed speaker).. Good for speech not quite so nice in music. The voice is just another instrument, isn't it? What sort of music are you thinking of? Ah well, the voice is. Lots of voices aint. Also lots of any instrument. If one instrument sounds good, that means nothing. If you can actually pick out individual voices or instruments in a chorus or orchestra,, you have bloody low intermodulation products in the speakers. Best there are Quad ELS, then horn loudspeakers IME. I've heard some lovely PA style horns that serious money was spent on. JBL used to be very good. Price you pay is tendency towards colouration. so the single instrument may sound tainted.. Actually rock music is easiest to get right. Few instruments - just needs decent bass, but no transmission lines please. They muddy bass drums awfully. IB or bass reflex better, or best 20 ft concrete horns. Same for jazz. Nothing special required. Hardest is really full orchestra or full chorus - not opera. There you want both low colouration and low distortion and those are hard to get together, especially at high volume. I think if I were putting a serious setup together today, Id go for 12 or 15's in bass reflex cabs, crossing over to some serious 8" units about 300hz, then a mid range horn at 1.5kHz ad some bullet horn style tweeters at about 5khz.. be aiming for 97dB/W or so and spending a sodding fortune on the kit.. Any old amp though :-) |
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In article o.uk, Dave
Liquorice scribeth thus On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:15:39 +0100, tony sayer wrote: Another very good English designed speaker).. Good for speech not quite so nice in music. In what way?.. Bit "light" and don't go particulary loud, Well thats not a problem as such .. the LS3/5A is an excellent speaker let alone one for its size.. I liked LS5/8's. Yes.. wouldn't mind a pair of they for meself.. Are they seen that often outside BBC control rooms and similar places?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On 6/10/2010 11:44 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Gib Bogle wrote: The voice is just another instrument, isn't it? What sort of music are you thinking of? Ah well, the voice is. Lots of voices aint. Also lots of any instrument. If one instrument sounds good, that means nothing. If you can actually pick out individual voices or instruments in a chorus or orchestra,, you have bloody low intermodulation products in the speakers. I can't pick out the individual instruments in an orchestra when I'm listening to it in a concert hall. Should it be easier with amplifier/speakers? ;-) |
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Gib Bogle wrote:
On 6/10/2010 11:44 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote: Gib Bogle wrote: The voice is just another instrument, isn't it? What sort of music are you thinking of? Ah well, the voice is. Lots of voices aint. Also lots of any instrument. If one instrument sounds good, that means nothing. If you can actually pick out individual voices or instruments in a chorus or orchestra,, you have bloody low intermodulation products in the speakers. I can't pick out the individual instruments in an orchestra when I'm listening to it in a concert hall. really? Should it be easier with amplifier/speakers? ;-) Sometimes..if they are multi-miked.. |
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Put meter across fuse holder on current setting. Turn preset fully clockwise. Turn on amp. Adjust preset for 20mA. |
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On Tuesday, October 5, 2010 11:44:01 PM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Gib Bogle wrote: On 5/10/2010 8:36 p.m., Dave Liquorice wrote: The voice is just another instrument, isn't it? What sort of music are you thinking of? Ah well, the voice is. Lots of voices aint. Also lots of any instrument. If one instrument sounds good, that means nothing. If you can actually pick out individual voices or instruments in a chorus or orchestra,, you have bloody low intermodulation products in the speakers. Best there are Quad ELS, then horn loudspeakers IME. I've heard some lovely PA style horns that serious money was spent on. JBL used to be very good. Price you pay is tendency towards colouration. so the single instrument may sound tainted.. Actually rock music is easiest to get right. Few instruments - just needs decent bass, but no transmission lines please. They muddy bass drums awfully. IB or bass reflex better, or best 20 ft concrete horns. Same for jazz. Nothing special required. Hardest is really full orchestra or full chorus - not opera. There you want both low colouration and low distortion and those are hard to get together, especially at high volume. I think if I were putting a serious setup together today, Id go for 12 or 15's in bass reflex cabs, crossing over to some serious 8" units about 300hz, then a mid range horn at 1.5kHz ad some bullet horn style tweeters at about 5khz.. be aiming for 97dB/W or so and spending a sodding fortune on the kit.. Any old amp though :-) I'd pick electrostatics or ribbon tweeters for the top end, both as sweet as it gets at high frequencies. Electrostatics for midrange too. Moving coil doesnt come close. I hear bass reflex are better designed now, when I had some years ago the time-spread made a right mess. NT |
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On Wednesday, 6 October 2010 07:52:55 UTC+1, tony sayer wrote:
Well thats not a problem as such .. the LS3/5A is an excellent speaker let alone one for its size.. .... Are they seen that often outside BBC control rooms and similar places?.. I have a pair. They came in kit form and were only available to BBC staff. I was a "pre university trainee" at Research Dept at the time. I think only a couple of hundred were ever made to that specification. John |
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wrote: On Wednesday, 6 October 2010 07:52:55 UTC+1, tony sayer wrote: Well thats not a problem as such .. the LS3/5A is an excellent speaker let alone one for its size.. ... Are they seen that often outside BBC control rooms and similar places?.. I have a pair. They came in kit form and were only available to BBC staff. I was a "pre university trainee" at Research Dept at the time. I think only a couple of hundred were ever made to that specification. there were at least 3 firms which had the licence to build LS3/5As. At least one firm was founded by a former BBC Research engineer. This probably explains the "kit" version which I hadn't come across before even though working in TV Centre at the time they were developed. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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scribeth thus In article , wrote: On Wednesday, 6 October 2010 07:52:55 UTC+1, tony sayer wrote: Well thats not a problem as such .. the LS3/5A is an excellent speaker let alone one for its size.. ... Are they seen that often outside BBC control rooms and similar places?.. I have a pair. They came in kit form and were only available to BBC staff. I was a "pre university trainee" at Research Dept at the time. I think only a couple of hundred were ever made to that specification. there were at least 3 firms which had the licence to build LS3/5As. At least one firm was founded by a former BBC Research engineer. This probably explains the "kit" version which I hadn't come across before even though working in TV Centre at the time they were developed. Dudley Harbeth?.. Theres a pair of LS5/8's on ebay BBC made c/w power amps at the moment.. -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , tony sayer
wrote: In article , charles scribeth thus In article , wrote: On Wednesday, 6 October 2010 07:52:55 UTC+1, tony sayer wrote: Well thats not a problem as such .. the LS3/5A is an excellent speaker let alone one for its size.. ... Are they seen that often outside BBC control rooms and similar places?.. I have a pair. They came in kit form and were only available to BBC staff. I was a "pre university trainee" at Research Dept at the time. I think only a couple of hundred were ever made to that specification. there were at least 3 firms which had the licence to build LS3/5As. At least one firm was founded by a former BBC Research engineer. This probably explains the "kit" version which I hadn't come across before even though working in TV Centre at the time they were developed. Dudley Harbeth?.. Theres a pair of LS5/8's on ebay BBC made c/w power amps at the moment.. David Stebbins was another. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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On Saturday, November 2, 2013 7:16:02 AM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/11/13 06:37, wrote: On Tuesday, October 5, 2010 11:44:01 PM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Gib Bogle wrote: On 5/10/2010 8:36 p.m., Dave Liquorice wrote: The voice is just another instrument, isn't it? What sort of music are you thinking of? Ah well, the voice is. Lots of voices aint. Also lots of any instrument. If one instrument sounds good, that means nothing. If you can actually pick out individual voices or instruments in a chorus or orchestra,, you have bloody low intermodulation products in the speakers. Best there are Quad ELS, then horn loudspeakers IME. I've heard some lovely PA style horns that serious money was spent on. JBL used to be very good. Price you pay is tendency towards colouration. so the single instrument may sound tainted.. Actually rock music is easiest to get right. Few instruments - just needs decent bass, but no transmission lines please. They muddy bass drums awfully. IB or bass reflex better, or best 20 ft concrete horns. Same for jazz. Nothing special required. Hardest is really full orchestra or full chorus - not opera. There you want both low colouration and low distortion and those are hard to get together, especially at high volume. I think if I were putting a serious setup together today, Id go for 12 or 15's in bass reflex cabs, crossing over to some serious 8" units about 300hz, then a mid range horn at 1.5kHz ad some bullet horn style tweeters at about 5khz.. be aiming for 97dB/W or so and spending a sodding fortune on the kit.. Any old amp though :-) I'd pick electrostatics or ribbon tweeters for the top end, both as sweet as it gets at high frequencies. Electrostatics for midrange too. Moving coil doesnt come close. nah. no power from ES. I dont remember that being a problem with the Quads - but they did lack in the bass department. a good mid range horn is an utter joy. Not sure I've ever encountered one, moving coils are inherently problematic in ways statics arent. Having had statics I think it would be very hard to convert me back to moving coil, for mid & tweet anyway. I hear bass reflex are better designed now, when I had some years ago the time-spread made a right mess. You might be thinking of labyrinth. Bass reflex is not really noticeable delay wise. Time-smearing is an issue with bass reflex, its a resonant system. How much of it there is depends on design. Unfortunately the first bass reflexes I ever had were terrible in this respect, and they do tend to be. I only had labyrinth speakers once, not much experience with those. NT |
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charles wrote: In article , wrote: On Wednesday, 6 October 2010 07:52:55 UTC+1, tony sayer wrote: Well thats not a problem as such .. the LS3/5A is an excellent speaker let alone one for its size.. ... Are they seen that often outside BBC control rooms and similar places?.. I have a pair. They came in kit form and were only available to BBC staff. I was a "pre university trainee" at Research Dept at the time. I think only a couple of hundred were ever made to that specification. there were at least 3 firms which had the licence to build LS3/5As. At least one firm was founded by a former BBC Research engineer. This probably explains the "kit" version which I hadn't come across before even though working in TV Centre at the time they were developed. The 'kits' were sold by Chartwell. Think what happened was they bought in far more 'bits' than they could sell complete - perhaps anticipating a BBC order. Rogers KEF and Spendor also produced LS 3/5a. I too have the Chartwell kit ones - in use in the bedroom, driven by a Linsey-Hood amp. Still sound stunning. And an ex OBs Rogers pair in the kitchen. Don't think anything better has been made in that size. Falcon Acoustics have had the B110 LF unit re-made. About 200 quid for a matched pair. They also do a complete kit to make them to BBC spec. Never actually heard a pair, though. -- *He who laughs last has just realised the joke. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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wrote: I'd pick electrostatics or ribbon tweeters for the top end, both as sweet as it gets at high frequencies. Electrostatics for midrange too. Moving coil doesnt come close. nah. no power from ES. I dont remember that being a problem with the Quads - but they did lack in the bass department. The lack of resonances tended to give that impression - but in a decent room and correctly positioned they were good down to approx 40 Hz. As good if not better than most. -- *Failure is not an option. It's bundled with your software. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , charles wrote: In article , wrote: On Wednesday, 6 October 2010 07:52:55 UTC+1, tony sayer wrote: Well thats not a problem as such .. the LS3/5A is an excellent speaker let alone one for its size.. ... Are they seen that often outside BBC control rooms and similar places?.. I have a pair. They came in kit form and were only available to BBC staff. I was a "pre university trainee" at Research Dept at the time. I think only a couple of hundred were ever made to that specification. there were at least 3 firms which had the licence to build LS3/5As. At least one firm was founded by a former BBC Research engineer. This probably explains the "kit" version which I hadn't come across before even though working in TV Centre at the time they were developed. The 'kits' were sold by Chartwell. Think what happened was they bought in far more 'bits' than they could sell complete - perhaps anticipating a BBC order. Rogers KEF and Spendor also produced LS 3/5a. I too have the Chartwell kit ones - in use in the bedroom, driven by a Linsey-Hood amp. Still sound stunning. And an ex OBs Rogers pair in the kitchen. Don't think anything better has been made in that size. Yes excellent little speakers, use 'em for a computer sound channel here c/w Audiolab 8000A Useful site.. http://www.ls35a.com/ Falcon Acoustics have had the B110 LF unit re-made. About 200 quid for a matched pair. They also do a complete kit to make them to BBC spec. Never actually heard a pair, though. -- Tony Sayer |
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On 02/11/2013 01:55, Bill wrote:
In message , writes Remove positive supply fuse. Put meter across fuse holder on current setting. Turn preset fully clockwise. Turn on amp. Adjust preset for 20mA. Is this the main supply fuse or possibly just for one stage where it is maybe a method of setting a bias current? No mention of an input signal, so this is presumably quiescent current? Yep - it's the quiescent current. It seems to be a response to a question I asked when I found myself repairing one three years ago:- https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...-y/PLG6gqY3y7A Nice thought though ) Cheers, Colin. |
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I bought a couple of these Maplin 50 watt amplifiers as both faulty.
I repaired them both and they sound great. |
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What was wrong then.
Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active wrote in message ... I bought a couple of these Maplin 50 watt amplifiers as both faulty. I repaired them both and they sound great. |
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On 05/06/14 23:19, Brian Gaff wrote:
What was wrong then. Brian 4 year old thread dug up by Google https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...-y/PLG6gqY3y7A -- Adrian C |
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That was my next question on the next thread as well. I do sometimes wonder
what google are up to. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "Adrian C" wrote in message ... On 05/06/14 23:19, Brian Gaff wrote: What was wrong then. Brian 4 year old thread dug up by Google https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...-y/PLG6gqY3y7A -- Adrian C |
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wrote in message ... I bought a couple of these Maplin 50 watt amplifiers as both faulty. I repaired them both and they sound great. so what do you want, a ****in gold star or something? |
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On 05/06/2014 23:26, Adrian C wrote:
On 05/06/14 23:19, Brian Gaff wrote: What was wrong then. Brian 4 year old thread dug up by Google https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...-y/PLG6gqY3y7A Yep. I remember starting it! Funnily enough, this is the second time it's been dredged up, and both by the same person. The last time was Feb 2013... Cheers, Colin. |
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On Tuesday, September 28, 2010 at 11:23:51 PM UTC+1, Colin Stamp wrote:
Hi all, A long long time ago, I made an amplifier using two of these modules. Since I made it in my yoof, I'm quite attached to it. Recently though, my wife bashed her head on the underside of the shelf it was on. There followed loads of crackling from the speakers accompanied by the disturbing hum of power rails coupled directly to speakers. I sprang up and flew across the room to switch the amp off (which wasn't easy since I had to be careful to avoid my wife who was now rolling around on the floor, clutching her head) but I was too late and the left channel was toast. I'm a bit mystified as to how the head-bashing could have caused any damage but, aside from that, repairs are progressing and new bits are on order; I only lost two of the output transistors, some resistors and a couple of polystyrene caps. The only problem I'm expecting is how to set up the quiescent current, since I can't find the original instructions for the modules. I know it's a bit of a long shot, but does anyone here happen to have a set of instructions hanging around? I think it was quite a popular module for quite a long time. The order code was HQ68Y. Oh, and the wife's making a full recovery, by the way. Cheers, Colin. |
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On Tuesday, September 28, 2010 at 11:23:51 PM UTC+1, Colin Stamp wrote:
Hi all, A long long time ago, I made an amplifier using two of these modules. Since I made it in my yoof, I'm quite attached to it. Recently though, my wife bashed her head on the underside of the shelf it was on. There followed loads of crackling from the speakers accompanied by the disturbing hum of power rails coupled directly to speakers. I sprang up and flew across the room to switch the amp off (which wasn't easy since I had to be careful to avoid my wife who was now rolling around on the floor, clutching her head) but I was too late and the left channel was toast. I'm a bit mystified as to how the head-bashing could have caused any damage but, aside from that, repairs are progressing and new bits are on order; I only lost two of the output transistors, some resistors and a couple of polystyrene caps. The only problem I'm expecting is how to set up the quiescent current, since I can't find the original instructions for the modules. I know it's a bit of a long shot, but does anyone here happen to have a set of instructions hanging around? I think it was quite a popular module for quite a long time. The order code was HQ68Y. Oh, and the wife's making a full recovery, by the way. Cheers, Colin. i notice theres no diagrams which i was looking for will pay if i get it 0863946719 ireland |
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Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 21/12/17 22:16, wrote: i notice theres no diagrams which i was looking for will pay if i get it 0863946719 ireland https://www.scribd.com/doc/38418078/...35Q-Maplin-Kit If that isn't it, it will be in another issue of 'Electronics - The Maplin Magazine', you just need to find out which one. Probably someone has back issues lying around, or a library has some. As I recall, the December issue of each year had an index of that year's articles, so it shouldn't be difficult to find. Theo |
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On 21/12/2017 22:41, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 21/12/17 22:16, wrote: i notice theres no diagrams which i was looking for will pay if i get it 0863946719 ireland https://www.scribd.com/doc/38418078/...35Q-Maplin-Kit I built one of those years ago in a fit of enthusiasm... alas at the time I had not costed what it would take to turn it into a fully integrated amp! ISTR buying the bits to make a PSU for just running a single power amp, and they cost more than the amp kit. (still I reused them making a bench PSU for my O level electronics project!) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 21/12/17 23:32, Theo wrote:
Adrian Caspersz wrote: On 21/12/17 22:16, wrote: i notice theres no diagrams which i was looking for will pay if i get it 0863946719 ireland https://www.scribd.com/doc/38418078/...35Q-Maplin-Kit If that isn't it, it will be in another issue of 'Electronics - The Maplin Magazine', you just need to find out which one. Probably someone has back issues lying around, or a library has some. As I recall, the December issue of each year had an index of that year's articles, so it shouldn't be difficult to find. http://www.americanradiohistory.com/...lectronics.htm -- Adrian C |
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Bit confused what happened between 2010 and now.
However, when I had this happen in a Memorex Amp it actually toasted one of the speakers. As for the mode of failure, well, you only need a short across the output after all. I was always replacing the ICs in the old Sinclair IC12 amps as they had no protection at all on the outputs. Texas made the chips Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Adrian Caspersz" wrote in message ... On 21/12/17 22:16, wrote: i notice theres no diagrams which i was looking for will pay if i get it 0863946719 ireland https://www.scribd.com/doc/38418078/...35Q-Maplin-Kit -- Adrian C |
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On 22/12/17 03:32, Huge wrote:
On 2017-12-21, Woody wrote: "Huge" wrote in message ... [44 lines snipped] I have cross-posted this to uk.rec.audio. They may well know. Did you notice the date of the mail? Its over 7 years old!! Oh, bugger. Thank you for pointing that out. Apologies. Can we have the ****s who make these zombie postings killed? In theory, yes, but in practice, ot may prove more difficult. -- "Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold." ۥ Confucius |
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