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harry wrote:
On 11 Sep, 19:29, "alexander.keys1" wrote: On 11 Sep, 12:52, (Richard Tobin) wrote: How do you attach cable clips to a stone wall? If I manage to hit the nail hard enough to make any impact on the stone, it makes a hole so big it falls right out. -- Richard ISTR the proper way to lay small cables, that normally have nailed clips, on hard walls, is to first screw a strip of wood to the wall, and nail to that. Or you could fit a length of conduit, you won't need bends or conduit boxes for sheathed cable, just straight lengths to provide support and protection where necessary. You can drill a hole and fit the smallest plastic plugs. They will hold a nail. Reply to alexander.ke...@gmail through harry as I have killfiled google posts to reduce spam. alexander, simply nail into the black mortar/cement joints (using long masonary nails as necessary) - the cable clip fixings will not be equally spaced, but better that than damage the stone work. This by the way, is the normal practice for me (and I nail into the cement joints on brickwork too), but others may differ. Cash |
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Cash wrote: alexander, simply nail into the black mortar/cement joints (using long masonary nails as necessary) - the cable clip fixings will not be equally spaced, but better that than damage the stone work. This by the way, is the normal practice for me (and I nail into the cement joints on brickwork too), but others may differ. Try that on most Victorian house and you'll just knock chunks out of the pointing. The mortar is lime and often just has a thin portland cement layer as pointing. The bricks are usually softer. -- *Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sep 13, 12:09*am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , * *Cash wrote: (and I nail into the cement joints on brickwork too), Try that on most Victorian house and you'll just knock chunks out of the pointing. The mortar is lime and often just has a thin portland cement layer as pointing. The bricks are usually softer. But if you knock out the portland cement pointing, you can repoint with lime mortar (which is even softer than soft brick), and then nail into that (and freeze-thaw won't damage your bricks any more). |
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You just wouldn't believe it!
I don't keep the recently discussed pin plugs in the van, but have decided to do so, despite thinking that they will only get used once a blue moon. Then today, in a place 80 miles from home that takes an hour to get into and an hour to get out of, I found that I had to clip a cable 50ft along a concrete internal wall. There was no chance of clips going in -- the wall was so hard it was actually slow to drill. Push in cable tie holders and ties would have looked dreadful. In the end I cut the heads of some push-ins and used the stems as pin plugs. It worked fine. Bill |
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, Martin Bonner wrote: Try that on most Victorian house and you'll just knock chunks out of the pointing. The mortar is lime and often just has a thin portland cement layer as pointing. The bricks are usually softer. But if you knock out the portland cement pointing, you can repoint with lime mortar (which is even softer than soft brick), and then nail into that (and freeze-thaw won't damage your bricks any more). Maybe, but this house was pointed with Portland mortar long before I bought it and I've been here over 30 years. Using lime mortar (again) is a recent fad. But then I don't nail things into it. Or bricks, come to that. Sure way to split them. -- *The more people I meet, the more I like my dog. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sep 14, 11:47*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , * wrote: You just wouldn't believe it! I don't keep the recently discussed pin plugs in the van, but have decided to do so, despite thinking that they will only get used once a blue moon. Then today, in a place 80 miles from home that takes an hour to get into and an hour to get out of, I found that I had to clip a cable 50ft along a concrete internal wall. There was no chance of clips going in -- the wall was so hard it was actually slow to drill. Push in cable tie holders and ties would have looked dreadful. In the end I cut the heads of some push-ins and used the stems as pin plugs. It worked fine. Sounds like a job for SDS man. Bosch 24VRE, new SDS bit, new battery. Operative a bit worn out though. Bill |
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, wrote: On Sep 14, 11:47 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , wrote: You just wouldn't believe it! I don't keep the recently discussed pin plugs in the van, but have decided to do so, despite thinking that they will only get used once a blue moon. Then today, in a place 80 miles from home that takes an hour to get into and an hour to get out of, I found that I had to clip a cable 50ft along a concrete internal wall. There was no chance of clips going in -- the wall was so hard it was actually slow to drill. Push in cable tie holders and ties would have looked dreadful. In the end I cut the heads of some push-ins and used the stems as pin plugs. It worked fine. Sounds like a job for SDS man. Bosch 24VRE, new SDS bit, new battery. Operative a bit worn out though. You need a decent mains SDS for hard materials. Battery ones ain't got the oomph. But I do realise the problems there in your job. -- *Sleep with a photographer and watch things develop Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sep 15, 10:59*am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , * wrote: On Sep 14, 11:47 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , * wrote: You just wouldn't believe it! I don't keep the recently discussed pin plugs in the van, but have decided to do so, despite thinking that they will only get used once a blue moon. Then today, in a place 80 miles from home that takes an hour to get into and an hour to get out of, I found that I had to clip a cable 50ft along a concrete internal wall. There was no chance of clips going in -- the wall was so hard it was actually slow to drill. Push in cable tie holders and ties would have looked dreadful. In the end I cut the heads of some push-ins and used the stems as pin plugs. It worked fine. Sounds like a job for SDS man. Bosch 24VRE, new SDS bit, new battery. Operative a bit worn out though. You need a decent mains SDS for hard materials. Battery ones ain't got the oomph. But I do realise the problems there in your job. I don't have problems drilling any material, within reason. I would use a 110V SDS drill for repeated work using large diameter SDS bits or for a masonry-cutting core drill, but for anything upto 18mm diameter the 24V DC drill is fine. When I said drilling the holes in concrete was 'slow' I didn't mean it took ages, just that it was a bit slower than drilling brick, perhaps 8 to 12 secs for an 8mm x 30mm hole. I drilled 50 of the ******* things anyway! Modern battery SDS drills are very good. Bill |
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On Sep 15, 5:27*pm, stuart noble wrote:
On 15/09/2010 17:00, wrote: So I guess you're allowed to clamber about on roofs without the need for scaffolding? I know roofers and chimney sweeps do it all the time, but is there some kind of cut off point beyond which HSE requires scaffolding?- Hide quoted text - I'm not sure how we got here from a discussion about battery drills, but we have to obey H & S like everyone else. There are certain activities where scaffolding would be essential, certain ones where it wouldn't contribute to safety, and ones where it's debatable. We tend to use access machinery more than scaffolding because the work is usually of short duration. Bill |
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stuart noble wrote: So I guess you're allowed to clamber about on roofs without the need for scaffolding? I know roofers and chimney sweeps do it all the time, but is there some kind of cut off point beyond which HSE requires scaffolding? A risk assessment needs to be made. If the job takes more than half an hour a ladder is unacceptable for access so scaffolding or cherry picker is needed, or else (for window cleaners etc.) a system for doing the job from ground level. -- B Thumbs Change lycos to yahoo to reply |
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stuart noble wrote:
On 15/09/2010 20:41, wrote: I'm not sure how we got here from a discussion about battery drills, That's usenet for you Dunno if Bill's spotted the xpost to uk.d-i-y? No recommendations for angle grinders to remove rusted cable clips yet ... |
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On Sep 16, 9:05*am, Andy Burns wrote:
stuart noble wrote: On 15/09/2010 20:41, wrote: I'm not sure how we got here from a discussion about battery drills, That's usenet for you Dunno if Bill's spotted the xpost to uk.d-i-y? *No recommendations for angle grinders to remove rusted cable clips yet ... No, I tend to not spot things. Bill |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:56:49 +0100, stuart noble wrote:
It seems roofers can spend 2-3 days doing flashing, re-pointing etc off a ladder, but need scaffolding to re-tile a whole roof. The scaffolding for a re-tile is so they don't have to lower the tiles to the ground and haul 'em back up again, if reusing the existing tiles. -- Cheers Dave. |
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