Hi, all.

We've had some discussion of some of the technical aspects of this in
another thread, butI thought this video is a good overview of the
ongoing sub-sea ops...

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwells_update24052010.htm

--
Ron

In , Andy Burns
wrote:


I don't know why the news is reporting that it has now been capped,
but
they need to wait 24hours to see if it's a success? Clearly it's not
fully sealed, but from the BP video it seems they didn't expect a
complete seal anyway.


They've left 'vent' valves open in the sides of the cap, in case it
started sucking too strongly. There'll be an enormous 'chimney' effect
at the base of the new 5000 foot pipe/hose if/when it's full of oil
weighing only 70-80% of the surrounding seawater. Sucking too strongly
might re-introduce the hydrates problem they had with the orignal
coffer-dam idea.

I think they're now trying a combination of tightening up the seal
around the cap (to make it harder for water to get in) and
progressively closing down the vent valves.



--
Roger Morton

Roger Morton wrote:

They've left 'vent' valves open in the sides of the cap, in case it
started sucking too strongly. There'll be an enormous 'chimney' effect
at the base of the new 5000 foot pipe/hose if/when it's full of oil
weighing only 70-80% of the surrounding seawater.

Makes sense, I had come to the conclusion it was oil/gas rather than mud
based on it not looking like it was mixing with the water, and it rising.

I think they're now trying a combination of tightening up the seal
around the cap (to make it harder for water to get in) and
progressively closing down the vent valves.

Fingers crossed ... I don't think I can stand much more of Obama
sounding whiny, of course we're hearing what is intended for his
domestic audience.

On 5 June, 08:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Morton wrote:

SNIP


Fingers crossed ... I don't think I can stand much more of Obama
sounding whiny, of course we're hearing what is intended for his
domestic audience.

Merikans will blame anybody they think is sue-worthy. Wasnt the
"cause" of the problem an American contract drilling rig exploding?
Thats being very conveniently overlooked by the media. Mind you as
details are trickle fed to us it does seem that buggering about at the
end of a damaged and bent pipe was simply wasting time. Someone should
have said at the beginning cut the damaged piece off and work on a
clean cut vertical end which is what I believe from our uk tv is now
the case.
A hollow "probe" with expandable clamps and seals with a valved
discharge pipe connection through the middle could be forced down
inside the clean cut pipe end effectively stopping the release of oil
into the surrounding water. The valving would have to be open while
the probe was introduced but once clamped and sealed the release could
be stopped.

Andy Burns wrote:

Skandi ROV2 seems to show the LMRP in place

It went for a bit of a roam around looking at debris on the seabed, now
there are three ROVs congregating around the leaking well, I thought
they were poking in a temperature probe or something similar, but it
looks more like it's squirting some sort of dispersant or tracer into
the leaking oil (which seems a bit less violent today).

On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 08:25:41 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

I don't think I can stand much more of Obama
sounding whiny, of course we're hearing what is intended for his
domestic audience.


In order to satisfy the redneck American audience, Obama is going to
have to get mad, shout a lot, make a lot of threats and stamp his foot
very hard.

Somehow, I cannot see him doing that, so whining is about the best he
can manage.

In ,
cynic wrote:


Someone should
have said at the beginning cut the damaged piece off and work on a
clean cut vertical end which is what I believe from our uk tv is now
the case.

They did - but it was the highest risk option (initially) because it
meant unconstrained flow from the well between the cutting-off and the
subsequent attachment of a cap. A week's worth (say) of full-bore leak
while trying to attach the cap (never attempted before at 5000 feet)
would have felt very unappealing in the first few days after this all
started - it had to be the last resort before the relief wells.

I imagine they've had separate engineering teams working up all of
these solutions since day one - and deployed them in some kind of
optimal risk/reward sequence.

The riskiness of the cap is probably a lot lower now; they'll have
learnt a lot about how the well behaves during the failed 'top-kill'
attempt, and the leaks through the old riser have almost certainly been
getting worse, to the point where cutting all the crap off may have
made relatively little difference to the flow while they were getting
the cap on - which seems to have turned out to be comparatively
straighforward.


--
Roger Morton

Tim Streater wrote:
In article
,
cynic wrote:

On 5 June, 08:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Morton wrote:
SNIP

Fingers crossed ... I don't think I can stand much more of Obama
sounding whiny, of course we're hearing what is intended for his
domestic audience.
Merikans will blame anybody they think is sue-worthy. Wasnt the
"cause" of the problem an American contract drilling rig exploding?
Thats being very conveniently overlooked by the media. Mind you as
details are trickle fed to us it does seem that buggering about at the
end of a damaged and bent pipe was simply wasting time. Someone should
have said at the beginning cut the damaged piece off and work on a
clean cut vertical end which is what I believe from our uk tv is now
the case.
A hollow "probe" with expandable clamps and seals with a valved
discharge pipe connection through the middle could be forced down
inside the clean cut pipe end effectively stopping the release of oil
into the surrounding water. The valving would have to be open while
the probe was introduced but once clamped and sealed the release could
be stopped.

As the Times points out today:

1) BP employs 22k Yanks and 10k Brits
2) Thousands more petrol stations in US compared to UK
3) 5 refineries in US, none in UK

and so on. UK company?

wait till they sue Halliburton.

On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 02:21:39 -0700 (PDT), cynic
wrote:

Merikans will blame anybody they think is sue-worthy. Wasnt the
"cause" of the problem an American contract drilling rig exploding?


The real cause of the problem was a blow-out preventer that didn't
prevent a blow-out. The resulting blow-out caused explosions on the
drilling rig.

The drilling rig was hired from Transocean, a drilling contractor. The
blow-out preventer was supplied by another organisation, which I
believe was Halliburton, in which former vice-President Dick Cheney
has or had an interest.

Transocean is Swiss-based. Halliburton is US-based. But the overall
responsibility for the project is of course BP's. So British-based BP
gets the blame, even though responsibility for the failure may lie
with, or be shared with, BP's Swiss- and US-based subcontractors
and/or suppliers:

http://tinyurl.com/38lesdy
or:
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/science_...? cid=8871518

I feel sorry for BP's Tony Hayward, who seems to be a nice chap who is
completely out of his depth. he has become an object of US ire and
hatred so has wisely (if somewhat belatedly) given over responsibility
for the clean-up to an American.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Burns
saying something like:

Link please?

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...ntId=706 2605

There are some strange looking creatures drifting about down there.
Nothing big or exciting, just odd.

"Ron Lowe" wrote in message
...
Hi, all.

We've had some discussion of some of the technical aspects of this in
another thread, butI thought this video is a good overview of the ongoing
sub-sea ops...

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwells_update24052010.htm

This doesn't seem to be working ATM.

On 4 June, 16:48, Ron Lowe wrote:
Hi, all.

We've had some discussion of some of the technical aspects of this in
another thread, butI thought this video is a good overview of the
ongoing sub-sea ops...

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwells_update24052010.htm

--
Ron

Dunno why the Yanks are blaming the Brits . The oil rig belongs to
Transocean, an American firm trelocated to Switzerland to avoid tax.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transocean

On 5 June, 16:35, harry wrote:
On 4 June, 16:48, Ron Lowe wrote:

Hi, all.

We've had some discussion of some of the technical aspects of this in
another thread, butI thought this video is a good overview of the
ongoing sub-sea ops...

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwells_update24052010.htm

--
Ron

Dunno why the Yanks are blaming the Brits . *The oil rig belongs to
Transocean, an American firm trelocated to Switzerland to avoid tax.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transocean

The lawyers are even now ordering new rolls-royces or other vehicles
of preference

No matter who loses the case the legal profession will get richer

On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 02:21:39 -0700 (PDT), cynic wrote:

A hollow "probe" with expandable clamps and seals with a valved
discharge pipe connection through the middle could be forced down
inside the clean cut pipe end effectively stopping the release of oil
into the surrounding water. The valving would have to be open while
the probe was introduced but once clamped and sealed the release could
be stopped.

Assuming a clear path through the BOP... ISTR seeing comments that
there was another pipe inside the outer pipe at the time of the blow
out and that the BOP may have partially operated.

Having something threaded through the BOP raises a question on how
the BOP valves can close when it has something through it. Presumably
the valves are suffciently strong and powerful enough just to slice
through what ever is in the way?

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

Having something threaded through the BOP raises a question on how
the BOP valves can close when it has something through it. Presumably
the valves are suffciently strong and powerful enough just to slice
through what ever is in the way?

The reading I've done on them in the last couple of weeks claims that
they can, but clearly for whatever reason this one isn't able to close
off, or they'd have done that ...

On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:35:16 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Dunno why the Yanks are blaming the Brits .


I think it is evidence of what the British like to call the "Special
Relationship" between the USA and the UK.

The culprits couldn't possibly be American. As the whole world knows
- because we've watched the movies - Americans are always right.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

Having something threaded through the BOP raises a question on how
the BOP valves can close when it has something through it. Presumably
the valves are suffciently strong and powerful enough just to slice
through what ever is in the way?

Does anyone here know how the BOP is powered?

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Burns
saying something like:

Link please?
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...ntId=706 2605

There are some strange looking creatures drifting about down there.
Nothing big or exciting, just odd.

And soon to be dead.

On 05/06/10 23:23, Gib Bogle wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Burns
saying something like:

Link please?
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...ntId=706 2605

There are some strange looking creatures drifting about down there.
Nothing big or exciting, just odd.

And soon to be dead.

It's the one's which aren't dead you need to be worried about... I'm
glad we are not marine animals - some of that stuff that lives down
there is just odd.

--
Tim Watts

Hung parliament? Rather have a hanged parliament.

On 5 June, 22:58, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:35:16 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Dunno why the Yanks are blaming the Brits .

I think it is evidence of what the British like to call the "Special
Relationship" between the USA and the UK.

The culprits couldn't possibly be American. *As the whole world knows
- because we've watched the movies - *Americans are always right.

I wonder how the movie will run. I watched U 571 recently. I think the
sequel will be called URA 1.

But why does nationalism lose track of the fact its just rich people
who are at fault. It slips away so easily that the nationality is
immaterial in such debacles, it's just a cliche' for misdirection.

On 5 June, 08:02, (Roger Morton) wrote:

There'll be an enormous 'chimney' effect
at the base of the new 5000 foot pipe/hose if/when it's full of oil
weighing only 70-80% of the surrounding seawater.

I don't think you mean chimney effect. That is a matter of pressure
differences. Also the differences in the densities of the liquids are
relatively immaterial. The distance are considerable though, probably
a cause of the problem or a significant part of it.

The currents caused by thermo haline chimneys are also significant.

Sucking too strongly might re-introduce the hydrates problem they
had with the orignal coffer-dam idea.

It's a mixture of oil and water at very high pressures and low
temperatures that causes clathrates. But the chemical is stable and a
non pollutant so maybe leaving the stuff alone is the better option.

Given time, slight oil leaks at that depth would fund reasonable
ecosystems. I'm not advocating evolution of course. Magic accidents
don't ever work for the greater good. Leave that to Marvel Comics and
BBC Natural History programmes.

It's just a failsafe device God fitted into an environment that he was
about to hand over to a bunch of losers.

On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:22:58 +1200, Gib Bogle
wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Having something threaded through the BOP raises a question on how
the BOP valves can close when it has something through it. Presumably
the valves are suffciently strong and powerful enough just to slice
through what ever is in the way?

Does anyone here know how the BOP is powered?


I'm not sure how many systems it has, but a key back-up system was
powered by a battery which apparently failed.

Tim Watts wrote:
On 05/06/10 23:23, Gib Bogle wrote:
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Burns
saying something like:

Link please?
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...ntId=706 2605


There are some strange looking creatures drifting about down there.
Nothing big or exciting, just odd.

And soon to be dead.

It's the one's which aren't dead you need to be worried about...

Odd creatures don't worry me (with the exception of my neighbour).

On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:48:09 -0700 (PDT), Weatherlawyer wrote:

There'll be an enormous 'chimney' effect at the base of the new
5000
foot pipe/hose if/when it's full of oil weighing only 70-80% of
the
surrounding seawater.

I don't think you mean chimney effect. That is a matter of pressure
differences.

Not quite sure what causes the draw on a chimney it's more than just
warmer air inside rising, hasn't the passage of air over the top got
a lot to do with it as well. Note warm air rises because it's less
dense.

Also the differences in the densities of the liquids are relatively
immaterial.

Not so sure. You have 5,000' of water giving something over 2,000psi
at the bottom of a tube filled with oil/gas/water whose weight can
only provide say 1,500psi at the bottom. Therefore you have 500psi
shoving the oil/gas up the tube, provided the tube is open at the
bottom. If you can seal it from the oceain it's only (ha!) the
overpressure from depth that is pushing the column of oil/gas
upwards.

The "top kill" was sort of opposite of this, fill the tube with
something heavier that what is rising and it'll be forced down, at
some point the column of heavier stuff will also overcome the
pressure shoving upwards. At least in theory...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 05/06/2010 23:22, Gib Bogle wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Having something threaded through the BOP raises a question on how
the BOP valves can close when it has something through it. Presumably
the valves are suffciently strong and powerful enough just to slice
through what ever is in the way?

Does anyone here know how the BOP is powered?


Hydraulics.

There's a seried of big accumulators which store pressure.
Control lines ( either hydraulic or electrical ) from surface controll
the dumping of the pressure into the rams.

A BOP has several different sets of rams in it, for use in different
situations.

1) Blind rams. These are square-faced, and simply close against each
other, when there's nothing in the way.

2) Pipe rams. These have a semi-circular cut-out profile on each side,
and are designed to seal around drill-pipe.

3) Shear rams. These have a cutting blade, and are a last-resort deal
and are designed to cut through drill-pipe which may be in the way.

Shear rams cannot cut through *anything*, though. It seems there may
be heavyweight pipe or Drill Collars or somesuch across the rams,
preventing them closing.

--
Ron

Ron Lowe wrote:
On 05/06/2010 23:22, Gib Bogle wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Having something threaded through the BOP raises a question on how
the BOP valves can close when it has something through it. Presumably
the valves are suffciently strong and powerful enough just to slice
through what ever is in the way?

Does anyone here know how the BOP is powered?


Hydraulics.

There's a seried of big accumulators which store pressure.

These must be impressive objects. What is pressurized? Air?

On 07/06/2010 00:05, Gib Bogle wrote:
Ron Lowe wrote:
On 05/06/2010 23:22, Gib Bogle wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Having something threaded through the BOP raises a question on how
the BOP valves can close when it has something through it. Presumably
the valves are suffciently strong and powerful enough just to slice
through what ever is in the way?

Does anyone here know how the BOP is powered?


Hydraulics.

There's a seried of big accumulators which store pressure.

These must be impressive objects. What is pressurized? Air?

Hydraulic fluid, compressed against a Nitrogen cushion.
Normal working pressures in the range 3000 - 6000 psi.
Stacks of 10 or 15 gallon bottles.

Have a look at the pictures on this PDF for an idea of scale:

http://www.drillingcontractor.org/dc...r08_WC-NOV.pdf

--
Ron

On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 11:00:35 +0100, Ron Lowe wrote:

A BOP has several different sets of rams in it, for use in different
situations.

1) Blind rams. These are square-faced, and simply close against each
other, when there's nothing in the way.

2) Pipe rams. These have a semi-circular cut-out profile on each side,
and are designed to seal around drill-pipe.

3) Shear rams. These have a cutting blade, and are a last-resort deal
and are designed to cut through drill-pipe which may be in the way.

Shear rams cannot cut through *anything*, though. It seems there may
be heavyweight pipe or Drill Collars or somesuch across the rams,
preventing them closing.

Thanks Ron, all makes sense. You don't really want to cut a drill
pipe and have it drop down the hole unless there is no other
option... I'd have thought the shear rams would have been able to cut
through a collar though. Assuming a "collar" is where two bits of
drill pipe screw together. Sods Laws insists that if you need to use
the shear ram there *will* be a collar located there.

Looking at the live cameras the spillage has much reduced in the last
24hrs and was noticeably reduced the day before.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 08/06/2010 23:13, Dave Liquorice wrote:

3) Shear rams. These have a cutting blade, and are a last-resort deal
and are designed to cut through drill-pipe which may be in the way.

Shear rams cannot cut through *anything*, though. It seems there may
be heavyweight pipe or Drill Collars or somesuch across the rams,
preventing them closing.

Thanks Ron, all makes sense. You don't really want to cut a drill
pipe and have it drop down the hole unless there is no other
option... I'd have thought the shear rams would have been able to cut
through a collar though. Assuming a "collar" is where two bits of
drill pipe screw together. Sods Laws insists that if you need to use
the shear ram there *will* be a collar located there.



Not quite.
The word 'collar' has different meanings.

It *can* mean the joint between 2 bits of pipe, usually casing ( which
has a male thread both ends, and a casing collar is joining piece with a
box-end either side.

But in the context of a drill string, it means something quite different.

Drill pipe is designed to be in tension. You can't push down on it.
The hoist arrangement in the derrick must always be supporting the full
weight of the drill-pipe, so that none of it is in compression, or it
will buckle and may fail.

The Weight On Bit ( WOB ) required to break rock is provided by very
heavy sections of pipe, immediately above the bit, called drill collars.
These are still tubulars, but with a massive wall thickness.

Imagine a black-and-decker suspended on a bungee cord, with some lead
weights to push it down!

These are part of the Bottom Hole Assembly ( BHA ), which consists of
the bit, the drill collars, stabilisers, LWD /MWD instruments, and
heavyweight drill-pipe. Then we have standard drill-pipe back to surface.

These BHA components may not be shearable.

--
Ron

Ron Lowe wrote:

We've had some discussion of some of the technical aspects of this in
another thread,

I've not tuned-in to the ROV cameras for a while, but there seems to be
plenty going on down there for the fitting of the replacement cap

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On 6 June, 00:27, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On 5 June, 22:58, Bruce wrote:

On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:35:16 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Dunno why the Yanks are blaming the Brits .

because Obama's dad was imprisoned by the British during the Mau-mau
rising?

Robert

In message
,
RobertL writes
On 6 June, 00:27, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On 5 June, 22:58, Bruce wrote:

On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:35:16 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Dunno why the Yanks are blaming the Brits .

because Obama's dad was imprisoned by the British during the Mau-mau
rising?

Or the going over our GM nutters gave Monsanto a few years back.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:46:14 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:


I've not tuned-in to the ROV cameras for a while, but there seems to be
plenty going on down there for the fitting of the replacement cap

And the perfect antidote to the world cup final. B-)

Just watched them mount the transition spool onto the top of the BOP.
A nice clean insertion but then it stopped with about 2" between the
flanges at about 2025 BST. 20 mins of looking closely at the gap and
some checking the wire lines tension and I think they picked it back
up a few inches and dropped it to get the flanges to meet. They are
now (2110 BST) removing the bolt keepers and doing them up.

Not much of a power pickup at half time.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

Just watched them mount the transition spool onto the top of the BOP.

Yesterday they seemed to struggle a bit to undo the bolts holding the
sheared off pipe onto the flange.

A nice clean insertion but then it stopped with about 2" between the
flanges at about 2025 BST. 20 mins of looking closely at the gap and
some checking the wire lines tension and I think they picked it back
up a few inches and dropped it to get the flanges to meet. They are
now (2110 BST) removing the bolt keepers and doing them up.

I half expected the ROVs to high-five each other at that point, they're
effectively going to mount another BOP on top of the spool ... buy BP
shares now!

Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Just watched them mount the transition spool onto the top of the BOP.

Yesterday they seemed to struggle a bit to undo the bolts holding the
sheared off pipe onto the flange.

A nice clean insertion but then it stopped with about 2" between the
flanges at about 2025 BST. 20 mins of looking closely at the gap and
some checking the wire lines tension and I think they picked it back
up a few inches and dropped it to get the flanges to meet. They are
now (2110 BST) removing the bolt keepers and doing them up.

I half expected the ROVs to high-five each other at that point, they're
effectively going to mount another BOP on top of the spool ... buy BP
shares now!

may just do that..

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:46:14 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:


I've not tuned-in to the ROV cameras for a while, but there seems to
be plenty going on down there for the fitting of the replacement cap

And the perfect antidote to the world cup final. B-)

Oh sugar! Have I just missed something?

In message P5q_n.95967$9c1.47605@hurricane, Clot
writes
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:46:14 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:


I've not tuned-in to the ROV cameras for a while, but there seems to
be plenty going on down there for the fitting of the replacement cap

And the perfect antidote to the world cup final. B-)

Oh sugar! Have I just missed something?


Yeah the goal 2 minutes ago

otherwise

no

--
geoff

geoff wrote:
In message P5q_n.95967$9c1.47605@hurricane, Clot
writes
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:46:14 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:


I've not tuned-in to the ROV cameras for a while, but there seems to
be plenty going on down there for the fitting of the replacement cap

And the perfect antidote to the world cup final. B-)

Oh sugar! Have I just missed something?


Yeah the goal 2 minutes ago


From a goal kick that was in fact a corner..sigh.

It basically random innit.

otherwise

no

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
geoff wrote:
In message P5q_n.95967$9c1.47605@hurricane, Clot
writes
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:46:14 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:


I've not tuned-in to the ROV cameras for a while, but there seems to
be plenty going on down there for the fitting of the replacement cap

And the perfect antidote to the world cup final. B-)

Oh sugar! Have I just missed something?


Yeah the goal 2 minutes ago


From a goal kick that was in fact a corner..sigh.

It basically random innit.

NP watching football ?


--
geoff

geoff wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
geoff wrote:
In message P5q_n.95967$9c1.47605@hurricane, Clot
writes
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:46:14 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:


I've not tuned-in to the ROV cameras for a while, but there seems to
be plenty going on down there for the fitting of the replacement cap

And the perfect antidote to the world cup final. B-)

Oh sugar! Have I just missed something?


Yeah the goal 2 minutes ago


From a goal kick that was in fact a corner..sigh.

It basically random innit.

NP watching football ?


**** all else on.

Its like being 18 and trying to date women. You keep trying and hoping
it will turn out exciting, but its always a complete anti-climax.