All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is superb.
The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few schools.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The pound
was the world strongest currency for about 10 years. Constitutionally they
got rid of hereditary Lords. The average person has little idea of what this
means - it paves the way to Land Value Taxation and a more truer democracy.
Also the zero unemployment with over a million migrant workers to fuel the
booming economy.

Under Blair/Brown since 1997. Magnificent Facts.......

* The UK had the longest sustained economic growth in history.
* The UK economy has been the world's most robust.
* The pound has been almighty strong.
* 9/11 caused a recession in most of the western world. It never happened
here.
* Massive investment in schools and unis. More schools were built under them
than at any other time.
* Massive investment in health. More hospitals were built under them than at
any other time.
* Provincial cities have boomed with their skylines changing beyond belief.
* Some superb anti-social laws have been implemented. The parents are now
made responsible for their children's conduct.
* The country even absorbed over 1 million eastern Europeans and still not
have an unemployment problem.
* Hereditary peers abolished - the biggest constitutional change since the
1600s, removing a self-interst group of large land owners, paving the way
for Land Value Taxation.
* Provincial cities went on massive building programmes - look at the
skyscrapers in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham.
* Rail infrastructure is being greatly improved - electrification projects.
Tram schemes in many cities. High Speed Rail Networks are planned.
* etc.

The Tories have no intention of changing the current privileged ruling class
Eton/Harrow/Oxbridge system. They are just shuffling deckchairs on the
Titanic.

Look at the appalling Tory record:

* Cardboard cities - and they didn't care, blaming the victims
* Mass unemployment - Horrendous levels.
* Poll Tax
* Riots every few years
* Devastation of industry - One fifth of industry went under Thatcher and
Major.
* Devastation of economic growth creating infrastructure - It was
privatized. E.g., Thatcher said the railways and mines were losing money.
They were not as they were a part of the wealth creating process. She was so
dumb her and her party could not see that.
* Private Profit and Socialised Debts - Thatcher privatized the rail tracks
creating Railtrack and of course it went bust having to be replaced by a
Network Rail and non-profit organisation setup by Tony Blair. Small
investors were ripped off and taxpayer picking up the bill yet again.
privatized profits and socialized debts when they have creamed off and ran.
* North Sea Oil Wasted - A total wasting of the greatest legacy left to us -
North Sea Oil. The revenue from the oil was not invested into the country,
in education, training and industry, just used for dole money in failed
economic theories.
* Failed Economic Theories -Implementing the silly Thatcher neo-capitalism
that was bound to fail and did with the Credit Crunch.
* etc
* etc
* etc

Within months of Blair coming to power the cardboard cities were gone. Only
when the world-wide Credit Crunch came in from abroad did it stall. Brown
put together the world-wide rescue plan at the G20 meeting in London.

In these difficult economic times we need hard nosed experience to steer us
out with Brown having that. We do not need a bunch of Hurray Henry's all
from a few schools - like they have in banana republics.

On 5/5/2010 7:28 PM, Doctor Drivel wrote:
All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few
schools.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The
pound was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.
Constitutionally they got rid of hereditary Lords. The average person
has little idea of what this means - it paves the way to Land Value
Taxation and a more truer democracy. Also the zero unemployment with
over a million migrant workers to fuel the booming economy.

Under Blair/Brown since 1997. Magnificent Facts.......

* The UK had the longest sustained economic growth in history.
* The UK economy has been the world's most robust.
* The pound has been almighty strong.
* 9/11 caused a recession in most of the western world. It never happened
here.
* Massive investment in schools and unis. More schools were built under
them
than at any other time.
* Massive investment in health. More hospitals were built under them
than at
any other time.
* Provincial cities have boomed with their skylines changing beyond belief.
* Some superb anti-social laws have been implemented. The parents are now
made responsible for their children's conduct.
* The country even absorbed over 1 million eastern Europeans and still not
have an unemployment problem.
* Hereditary peers abolished - the biggest constitutional change since the
1600s, removing a self-interst group of large land owners, paving the way
for Land Value Taxation.
* Provincial cities went on massive building programmes - look at the
skyscrapers in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham.
* Rail infrastructure is being greatly improved - electrification projects.
Tram schemes in many cities. High Speed Rail Networks are planned.
* etc.

The Tories have no intention of changing the current privileged ruling
class
Eton/Harrow/Oxbridge system. They are just shuffling deckchairs on the
Titanic.

Look at the appalling Tory record:

* Cardboard cities - and they didn't care, blaming the victims
* Mass unemployment - Horrendous levels.
* Poll Tax
* Riots every few years
* Devastation of industry - One fifth of industry went under Thatcher
and Major.
* Devastation of economic growth creating infrastructure - It was
privatized. E.g., Thatcher said the railways and mines were losing money.
They were not as they were a part of the wealth creating process. She
was so
dumb her and her party could not see that.
* Private Profit and Socialised Debts - Thatcher privatized the rail
tracks creating Railtrack and of course it went bust having to be
replaced by a Network Rail and non-profit organisation setup by Tony
Blair. Small investors were ripped off and taxpayer picking up the bill
yet again. privatized profits and socialized debts when they have
creamed off and ran.
* North Sea Oil Wasted - A total wasting of the greatest legacy left to
us - North Sea Oil. The revenue from the oil was not invested into the
country, in education, training and industry, just used for dole money
in failed economic theories.
* Failed Economic Theories -Implementing the silly Thatcher
neo-capitalism that was bound to fail and did with the Credit Crunch.
* etc
* etc
* etc

Within months of Blair coming to power the cardboard cities were gone.
Only when the world-wide Credit Crunch came in from abroad did it stall.
Brown put together the world-wide rescue plan at the G20 meeting in London.

In these difficult economic times we need hard nosed experience to steer
us out with Brown having that. We do not need a bunch of Hurray Henry's
all from a few schools - like they have in banana republics.

hahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahaha hhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahaha!
You are so f@$#@d up you sad *******!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way I did live
in Essex once.Most excellent folk!

"Archon" wrote in message
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By the way I did live in Essex once.

That all fits!!!

Doctor Drivel wrote:

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record,

.... and then no one will vote for them.

Doctor Drivel wrote:
All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, ...

I suppose it is inevitable that you should support nulabour. You have so
much in common with Tony Blair; a complete detachement from reality and
a total inability to accept that you are wrong.

Colin Bignell

Nightjar "cpb"@ insertmysurnamehere wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:
All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, ...

I suppose it is inevitable that you should support nulabour. You have so
much in common with Tony Blair; a complete detachement from reality and
a total inability to accept that you are wrong.


Not really. Tony was perfectly capable of accepting that he was wrong,
but he didn't see that it mattered. As long as he truly BELIEVED he was
right, at the time.

He always wanted to be judged on a moral basis, whilst the rest of the
country was crying out for him to be judged on the basis of competence.




Colin Bignell

DO NOT VOTE TORY!!!!

Keep them out. Vote wisely. Vote LabDFEm or Labour to keep them out!

If they get in the riots in Greece will happen here - Under the last Tories
we had them every few years.

{Horse**** snipped}

Too late mate!

DO NOT VOTE TORY!!!!

Keep them out. Vote wisely. Vote LabDFEm or Labour to keep them out!

If they get in the riots in Greece will happen here - Under the last Tories
we had them every few years.

DO NOT VOTE TORY!!!!

Keep them out. Vote wisely. Vote LibDem or Labour to keep them out!

If they get in the riots in Greece will happen here - Under the last Tories
we had them every few years.

Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Thursday 06 May 2010 10:19

DO NOT VOTE TORY!!!!

Keep them out. Vote wisely. Vote LabDFEm or Labour to keep them out!

This is you after the Labour psychs were finished turning you into their
shrill:

http://entertainment.ie/images_content/ClockworkPic.jpg


--
Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

DO NOT VOTE TORY!!!!

Keep them out. Vote wisely. Vote LibDem or Labour to keep them out!

If they get in the riots in Greece will happen here - Under the last Tories
we had them every few years.

Vortex6 wrote:
{Horse**** snipped}

Too late mate!

Yes.

I hope that the Labour advice to vote tactically is working (but not the
way they intended). Anyway all should be clear about how the vote went
shortly, by this time tomorrow with any luck.

If the result follows the pollsters it will take some time to sort out
the hung parliament and drag Brown, kicking and screaming out of No 10.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...
DO NOT VOTE TORY!!!!

Keep them out. Vote wisely. Vote LabDFEm or Labour to keep them out!

If they get in the riots in Greece will happen here - Under the last
Tories we had them every few years.


Wasn't it the equivalent of spend-thrift Labour that got Greece into their
current mess? The new Greek spending plans aren't strictly under the
control of the Greek government, but down to the fact that Greece is
effectively bankrupt and now run by bankers/liquidators.

Now what government was in power the last time the IMF were brought in to
bail out the government?

On Thu, 06 May 2010 10:58:53 +0100, Roger Chapman
wrote:

If the result follows the pollsters it will take some time to sort out
the hung parliament and drag Brown, kicking and screaming out of No 10.

the facebook "exit poll" shows a big majority for Lib Dems, I reckon
thats the new young vote who watched the TV debates as first taste of
politics. I wouldnt be surprised if the winners enf up wishing they
hadn't, after a year of two of cuts making them unpopular.
--
Mike

"Roger Chapman" wrote in message
...

I hope that the Labour advice to vote tactically is working

Roger, you are right.

Here is how to do it.....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22231573/

DO NOT VOTE TORY!!!!

Keep them out. Vote wisely. Vote LibDem or Labour to keep them out!

* If they get in the riots in Greece will happen here - Under the last
Tories we had them every few years.

* We do not want the Tories in power. The country will go backwards - it
always does with them.

* We do not want to see people living in cardboard cities again.

* We do do not want to see policemen beating down our citizens and their
families again.

* We need the prosperity that Brown gave us to continue. He has the economic
experience.

That is very sensible.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

Wasn't it the equivalent of spend-thrift Labour that got Greece into their
current mess?

The UK is not Greece and we are not in the Euro. Look at your money.

Here is how to do it.....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22231573/

DO NOT VOTE TORY!!!!

Keep them out. Vote wisely. Vote LibDem or Labour to keep them out!

* If they get in the riots in Greece will happen here - Under the last
Tories
we had them every few years.

* We do not want the Tories in power. The country will go backwards - it
always does with them.

* We do not want to see people living in cardboard cities again.

* We do do not want to see policemen beating down our citizens and their
families again.

* We need the prosperity that Brown gave us to continue. He has the economic
experience.

That is very sensible.

Allthumbs wrote:
On Thu, 06 May 2010 10:58:53 +0100, Roger Chapman
wrote:

If the result follows the pollsters it will take some time to sort out
the hung parliament and drag Brown, kicking and screaming out of No 10.

the facebook "exit poll" shows a big majority for Lib Dems, I reckon
thats the new young vote who watched the TV debates as first taste of
politics. I wouldnt be surprised if the winners enf up wishing they
hadn't, after a year of two of cuts making them unpopular.

Yes. Older and wiser does not equal lib dems..

He's got the Bliar Factor, young, attractive, and cosmopolitan.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
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"Fredxx" wrote in message
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Wasn't it the equivalent of spend-thrift Labour that got Greece into
their current mess?

The UK is not Greece and we are not in the Euro. Look at your money.


I have, and under Labour the pound hasn't done too well.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

Wasn't it the equivalent of spend-thrift Labour that got Greece into
their current mess?

The UK is not Greece and we are not in the Euro. Look at your money.

I have, and under Labour the pound hasn't done too well.

Post Credit Crunch the pound was the world's strongest. Get your selective
amnesia seen to. The NHS, founded by Labour, can sort it for free.

Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

Wasn't it the equivalent of spend-thrift Labour that got Greece
into their current mess?

The UK is not Greece and we are not in the Euro. Look at your money.

I have, and under Labour the pound hasn't done too well.

Post Credit Crunch the pound was the world's strongest. Get your
selective amnesia seen to. The NHS, founded by Labour, can sort it
for free.

Really? I thought much of the foundations of the NHS were made long before
1948 by politicians like Lloyd George who introduced National Insurance.
Much of the bedrock of the NHS was built by Tory ministers during the second
world war. Naturally I do conced that the NHS as we know it was created
under a Labour government.

Fredxx wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...
"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

Wasn't it the equivalent of spend-thrift Labour that got Greece
into their current mess?
The UK is not Greece and we are not in the Euro. Look at your money.
I have, and under Labour the pound hasn't done too well.
Post Credit Crunch the pound was the world's strongest. Get your
selective amnesia seen to. The NHS, founded by Labour, can sort it
for free.

Really? I thought much of the foundations of the NHS were made long before
1948 by politicians like Lloyd George who introduced National Insurance.
Much of the bedrock of the NHS was built by Tory ministers during the second
world war. Naturally I do conced that the NHS as we know it was created
under a Labour government.


...and look at the mess its in as a result.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

Really? I thought much of the foundations of the NHS were made long
before 1948 by politicians like Lloyd George who introduced National
Insurance. Much of the bedrock of the NHS was built by Tory ministers
during the second world war.

The Tories opposed it all along, as they did with ALL social reform - as
Brown highlighted last night in his speech. It is true the Libs laid
foundations for the welfare state.

Bevan in WW2, based the NHS on a voluntary system in a Welsh village. He
laid it all down and Atlee implement it post WW2.

Naturally I do conced that the NHS as we know it was created under a
Labour government.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Fredxx wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...
"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

Wasn't it the equivalent of spend-thrift Labour that got Greece
into their current mess?
The UK is not Greece and we are not in the Euro. Look at your money.
I have, and under Labour the pound hasn't done too well.
Post Credit Crunch the pound was the world's strongest. Get your
selective amnesia seen to. The NHS, founded by Labour, can sort it
for free.

Really? I thought much of the foundations of the NHS were made long
before 1948 by politicians like Lloyd George who introduced National
Insurance. Much of the bedrock of the NHS was built by Tory ministers
during the second world war. Naturally I do conced that the NHS as we
know it was created under a Labour government.

..and look at the mess its in as a result.

Says a snotty uni lunatic.

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

Really? I thought much of the foundations of the NHS were made long
before 1948 by politicians like Lloyd George who introduced National
Insurance. Much of the bedrock of the NHS was built by Tory ministers
during the second world war.

The Tories opposed it all along, as they did with ALL social reform - as
Brown highlighted last night in his speech. It is true the Libs laid
foundations for the welfare state.

Bevan in WW2, based the NHS on a voluntary system in a Welsh village. He
laid it all down and Atlee implement it post WW2.

Nye Bevan was Health Minister in the postwar Labour Government and thus
had charge of the start of the NHS but the NHS was based on the 1942
Beveridge Report. Beveridge was a Liberal who also had a hand in the
creation of the precursor of the welfare state under Lloyd George.

I am not sure what Bevan did during WW2 apart from being a PITA for
Churchill.

Naturally I do conced that the NHS as we know it was created under a
Labour government.

Doctor Drivel wrote:

Post Credit Crunch the pound was the world's strongest.

Bull****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFTt...ayer_embedded#!

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
.. .
Doctor Drivel wrote:

Post Credit Crunch the pound was the world's strongest.

This one should be locked up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFTt...ayer_embedded#!

in 734731 20100506 151553 "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
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"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

Wasn't it the equivalent of spend-thrift Labour that got Greece into
their current mess?

The UK is not Greece and we are not in the Euro. Look at your money.

I have, and under Labour the pound hasn't done too well.

Post Credit Crunch the pound was the world's strongest. Get your selective
amnesia seen to. The NHS, founded by Labour, can sort it for free.

Sept 2008 : 1 pound sterling = 1.83 USD and 1.27 euros
Now is 1.53 and 1.15 respectively.
You were saying?

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
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in 734731 20100506 151553 "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
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"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

Wasn't it the equivalent of spend-thrift Labour that got Greece into
their current mess?

The UK is not Greece and we are not in the Euro. Look at your money.

I have, and under Labour the pound hasn't done too well.

Post Credit Crunch the pound was the world's strongest. Get your selective
amnesia seen to. The NHS, founded by Labour, can sort it for free.

Sept 2008 : 1 pound sterling

typo pre-CC

Ok, had enough. Lets have Merkel. Problem solved.
UK can be treated like Eastern Germany and assimilated.

Going to drive a Challenger-II tank down to #10 and remove the little
**** if I have to.

Atlee + Land = Mess We Have Today.

NuLabour have what circa 55,000 GPs at circa £250,000 with bonuses or
equivalent re locum costs.
If you reduce 55,000 to £50,000 for 10yrs you save £110 BILLION.
If you reduce the retirement tax free golden handshake from £175,000
to £10,000 it saves another £4 BILLION.

UK currency is the only major currency in the world to be -34%
compared to 1974.
Oops, make that -37%... -38%... -39%...

UK debt is #2 in the world.
UK has a floating currency, oops, make that sinking currency.
If you think devaluation & inflation is a solution, try asking your
Gilt buyers what they want to finance NuLabour 2010-2014.

js.b1 wrote:

UK debt is #2 in the world.

Are you sure about that? How are you measuring this, as an absolute number
or a proportion of GDP?

Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Bob Martin" wrote in message
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in 734731 20100506 151553 "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

Wasn't it the equivalent of spend-thrift Labour that got Greece
into their current mess?

The UK is not Greece and we are not in the Euro. Look at your
money.

I have, and under Labour the pound hasn't done too well.

Post Credit Crunch the pound was the world's strongest. Get your
selective amnesia seen to. The NHS, founded by Labour, can sort it
for free.

Sept 2008 : 1 pound sterling

typo pre-CC

Which just goes to show how Labour allowed our economy to become so bloated
and reliant on debt.

On May 7, 1:40*pm, "Fredxx" wrote:
js.b1 wrote:
UK debt is #2 in the world.

Are you sure about that? *How are you measuring this, as an absolute number
or a proportion of GDP?

Proportion of GDP - as the ability to service it :-)
USA is #20, UK is #2, Ireland is #1.

UK deficit is about 800B now with about 3.2B off balance or not
realised.

Italy & Ireland have severe problems. By 2040 80% of Western
currencies will be Junk status including the UK and France as their
economic leadership has fallen too far & deficits risen too much to
compensate.

Yes the USA has a bigger deficit BUT the USD is backed by oil &
commodities. Everytime you buy commodities you have have to buy USD,
hence the support. When USD goes down commodities go up & vice-versa.

Attacking the debt ratings agency is a bit pointless, they are "after
the fact" with Spain having 20% unemployment, big deficit, poor
economic growth and still rated highly. Debt rating agencies are the
tail that can not wag the dog, they simply lag what the bond market is
saying.

People are not paying attention to Italy which is in at least as bad a
mess as Spain.

It comes down to Germany & France not wanting a default because it
would require hundreds of billions (264B at least minimum) to
recapitalise their banks, but also not wanting the problem realised
yet because they want a managed insolvency in 2011. They just do not
want it in 2010 because their banks have not recapitalised fully after
2008 - Spain has a lot of bad debt hidden which time will erode hence
the intention of stabilising or increasing housing where possible and
using low rates to lend at high LT rates to gov't whilst borrowing at
low ST rates from gov't. They can only do so much per unit time, hence
they want Greece delayed as long as possible - it should have
staggered on until October. As it stands the Euro is taking the brunt
of it.

UK is out of the Euro but will use devaluation and stuffing Gilts - it
has to strike a balance otherwise Gilts rise and so do LT rates which
will have to pass thro to bank lending rates and savers, otherwise the
currency devalues into a spiral and you then awaken the long term
holdings because excessive devaluation feeds into inflation and no
bond holder will tolerate that. We have historically low rates, whilst
there is only one direction from here (up) they want them to stay low
for as long as possible. That will not be an easy trick as the market
dictates rates re risk of devaluation, inflation, growth & default -
plus oversupply re sovereign & corporate debt.

"js.b1" wrote in message
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Atlee + Land = Mess We Have Today.

NuLabour 2010-2014.

snip drivel

"Fredxx" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Bob Martin" wrote in message
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in 734731 20100506 151553 "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
...

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...

Wasn't it the equivalent of spend-thrift Labour that got Greece
into their current mess?

The UK is not Greece and we are not in the Euro. Look at your
money.

I have, and under Labour the pound hasn't done too well.

Post Credit Crunch the pound was the world's strongest. Get your
selective amnesia seen to. The NHS, founded by Labour, can sort it
for free.

Sept 2008 : 1 pound sterling

typo pre-CC

Which just goes to show how Labour allowed our economy to become so
bloated and reliant on debt.

Tripe! The debt is post Credit Crunch to stop soup lines. You have been
told before.

On Fri, 7 May 2010 05:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Js.b1 wrote :
UK currency is the only major currency in the world to be -34%
compared to 1974.

As any intelligent Daily Mail reader knows, choose your dates carefully
and you can 'prove' almost anything. Under Mrs T's reign the pound to
US$ rate fell to something like 1.03. The current weakness of the pound
is not good - especially for me, earning in £ and spending in A$ - but
is protecting British jobs.

--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on' Melbourne, Australia
www.superbeam.co.uk www.eurobeam.co.uk www.greentram.com

On Fri, 7 May 2010 06:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Js.b1 wrote :
Yes the USA has a bigger deficit BUT the USD is backed by oil &
commodities. Everytime you buy commodities you have have to buy USD,
hence the support. When USD goes down commodities go up & vice-versa.

My understanding was that the USA was an importer of oil. The US dollar
stays high because of the Chinese government though a number of news
stories reckon that China is an accident waiting to happen, with
consequence knock-on effects for the US$.

Australia is having a commodity boom, thus our high currency, but the
rest of the country is paying for it with ever increasing interest
rates and a house price boom.

--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on' Melbourne, Australia
www.superbeam.co.uk www.eurobeam.co.uk www.greentram.com

Tony Bryer wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2010 06:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Js.b1 wrote :
Yes the USA has a bigger deficit BUT the USD is backed by oil &
commodities. Everytime you buy commodities you have have to buy USD,
hence the support. When USD goes down commodities go up & vice-versa.

My understanding was that the USA was an importer of oil.

So as what they import is priced in dollars; the price of oil will
not change whatever the USD rate.



--
djc