bogs hung on wall hung frames to be precise -

Some of these bogs seem a bit tall (365mm) to hang clear of the floor
for easy cleaning (major selling point), whilst still being at a
"normal" height for actual usage (385mm say) .....or am I seeing this
wrong?

anyone got/fitted 1 or more? experiences? ideas, pointers?

Cheers
JimK

400mm to the rim (without the seat) is standard I think.

Fitted one last week, ideal standard washpoint, onto a Grohe frame,
built into studwork.

The Grohe frame is telescopic to make height adjustments, but on a
flat floor with the frame in the fully closed position, everything
comes out at the correct height.

Generally all very well engineered. The loo seat pivots had to be
fitted before the bowl is clamped up to the wall, and the grohe-
supplied waste coupling pipe required shortening by a few mm.

I bought a 0.82m high Grohe frame, which is better suited to having a
low shelf with the flush button facing upwards - but it's no big deal
to mount the button elsewhere, as the only connection is a thin
pneumatic hose.

I used a 12mm ply board over the frame, faced with 12mm t&v-grooved
board - very neat results indeed.

Currently fitting the other two.

On 24 Feb, 15:46, JimK wrote:
bogs hung on wall hung frames to be precise -

Some of these bogs seem a bit tall (365mm) to hang clear of the floor
for easy cleaning (major selling point), whilst still being at a
"normal" height for actual usage (385mm say) .....or am I seeing this
wrong?

anyone got/fitted 1 or more? experiences? ideas, pointers?

Cheers
JimK

We used the Grohe frame (with access to cistern via the push button
panel) and Roca bog. It's 400mm off the floor at the seat and 100mm
clearance underneath. It funcitons very well.

The Grohe frame was great, very well made and strightforward to fit.
However the plumber competely failed to read the instructions
(ignoring both the hieght adjustment and the special ver ysolid
fixings for the wall) and if we had not complained woud have left it
about 20mm off the floor and hanging on by two small woodscrews ready
to break loose a few months later.

Robert

On 24 Feb, 17:24, " wrote:
snip

The loo seat pivots had to be
fitted before the bowl is clamped up to the wall,

does that mean you can't change the bog seat when it spoils? (without
removing the bog)

....Sounds good - thanks for info :)
Cheers
JimK

On 24 Feb, 17:26, RobertL wrote:
On 24 Feb, 15:46, JimK wrote:

bogs hung on wall hung frames to be precise -

Some of these bogs seem a bit tall (365mm) to hang clear of the floor
for easy cleaning (major selling point), whilst still being at a
"normal" height for actual usage (385mm say) .....or am I seeing this
wrong?

anyone got/fitted 1 or more? experiences? ideas, pointers?

Cheers
JimK

We used the Grohe frame (with access to cistern via the push button
panel) and Roca bog. It's 400mm off the floor at the seat and 100mm
clearance underneath. It funcitons very well.

The Grohe frame was great, very well made and strightforward to fit.
However the plumber competely failed to read the instructions
(ignoring both the hieght adjustment and the special ver ysolid
fixings for the wall) and if we had not complained woud have left it
about 20mm off the floor and hanging on by two small woodscrews ready
to break loose a few months later.

Robert

any source in particular for best deals?
I'm looking on ebay at a Macdee dual flush 0.82 frame £155 and some
bog or other from another ebayer £150odd (I've used em before but they
have no low frames - doh!)

cheers
JimK

does that mean you can't change the bog seat when it spoils? (without
removing the bog)

This is specific to the ideal standard washpoint loo and matching seat
- the seat works by having a pair of mounting pins that bolt through
the hole in the porcelain, and then the seat has a pair of thumbturn
clamps that lock onto the pins.

Disadvantage is you must remember to bolt these pins in place (and
position them correctly with the seat) before fitting the loo to the
wall, advantage is that the seat can very easily be removed for
cleaning.

On 24 Feb, 17:42, JimK wrote:
On 24 Feb, 17:24, " wrote:
snip

The loo seat pivots had to be
fitted before the bowl is clamped up to the wall,

does that mean you can't change the bog seat when it spoils? (without
removing the bog)


Not with the Roca, seat is bolted to loo in the usual way.

R

JimK wrote:

I'm looking on ebay at a Macdee dual flush 0.82 frame £155

I used one of those last year. Worked well, and I'm very happy with it.

Pete

On Feb 24, 6:34 pm, John Rumm wrote:


Access to the cistern behind the stud wall was via the large rectangular
push button contraption for flushing.

ah is that why they're so large! are there options to use smaller
"button" setups? (with alternative cistern access arrangements of
course!)

Cheers
JimK

On Feb 25, 11:05*am, JimK wrote:
On Feb 24, 6:34 pm, John Rumm wrote:



Access to the cistern behind the stud wall was via the large rectangular
push button contraption for flushing.

ah is that why they're so large! are there options to use smaller
"button" setups? (with alternative cistern access arrangements of
course!)

Cheers
JimK

Yes, you can fit a much smaller butto nas long as you allow access
some other way. The design of cistern is different though, I think.
So you need to choose in advance.

R

Yes, you can fit a much smaller butto nas long as you allow access
some other way. * The design of cistern is different though, I think.
So you need to choose in advance.

Yes, access important.

But with the Grohe frame/cistern, there's a 3mm-ish bore pneumatic
hose which connects the button to the flush, and can use a wide
variety of push buttons large and small (the large plates are called
"skate plates").

RobertL wrote:
On Feb 25, 11:05 am, JimK wrote:
On Feb 24, 6:34 pm, John Rumm wrote:



Access to the cistern behind the stud wall was via the large rectangular
push button contraption for flushing.
ah is that why they're so large! are there options to use smaller
"button" setups? (with alternative cistern access arrangements of
course!)

Cheers
JimK

Yes, you can fit a much smaller butto nas long as you allow access
some other way. The design of cistern is different though, I think.
So you need to choose in advance.

R

A slight divergence but still on the subject of flush buttons. I have
never conclusively worked out which of a two button system provides a
large flush and which a small flush.

As I see it, it could be either:

1) Large button for large flush small button for small flush.

2) Large button for the most commonly used (small flush) and you have to
negotiate the smaller button if you want to use more water. Thus, saving
water by default.

Is there a standard?

Andrew

On Feb 25, 1:39*pm, Andrew May wrote:
RobertL wrote:
On Feb 25, 11:05 am, JimK wrote:
On Feb 24, 6:34 pm, John Rumm wrote:

Access to the cistern behind the stud wall was via the large rectangular
push button contraption for flushing.
ah is that why they're so large! are there options to use smaller
"button" setups? (with alternative cistern access arrangements of
course!)

Cheers
JimK

Yes, you can fit a much smaller butto nas long as you allow access
some other way. * The design of cistern is different though, I think.
So you need to choose in advance.

R

A slight divergence but still on the subject of flush buttons. I have
never conclusively worked out which of a two button system provides a
large flush and which a small flush.

As I see it, it could be either:

1) Large button for large flush small button for small flush.

2) Large button for the most commonly used (small flush) and you have to
negotiate the smaller button if you want to use more water. Thus, saving
water by default.


On the Grohe one we have it appears that the small button gives a
small flush and the big button gives a bigger and adjustable flush
which goes on for as long as you hold the button in (or until the tank
empties).

it may be my imagination, but these air-actuated flushes seem to last
much longer without going wrong, perhaps because they are not strained
by over-enthusiiatic users cranking the handle too hard.

Robert

On Feb 25, 1:39*pm, Andrew May wrote:
RobertL wrote:
On Feb 25, 11:05 am, JimK wrote:
On Feb 24, 6:34 pm, John Rumm wrote:

Access to the cistern behind the stud wall was via the large rectangular
push button contraption for flushing.
ah is that why they're so large! are there options to use smaller
"button" setups? (with alternative cistern access arrangements of
course!)

Cheers
JimK

Yes, you can fit a much smaller butto nas long as you allow access
some other way. * The design of cistern is different though, I think.
So you need to choose in advance.

R

A slight divergence but still on the subject of flush buttons. I have
never conclusively worked out which of a two button system provides a
large flush and which a small flush.

As I see it, it could be either:

1) Large button for large flush small button for small flush.

2) Large button for the most commonly used (small flush) and you have to
negotiate the smaller button if you want to use more water. Thus, saving
water by default.

Is there a standard?

that would be the famous "bog standard" then

R

On Feb 24, 3:46*pm, JimK wrote:
bogs hung on wall hung frames to be precise -

anyone got/fitted 1 or more? experiences? ideas, pointers?


One other aadvantage of wall hung is when the bathroom floor is not
very solid. If the floor flexes relative to the wall then the foul
pipe and bog move relative to each other a little each time someone
sits down and eventuially the join leaks. the wall hung ones avoid
this as everything is fixed to the same frame.

Robert

On Feb 25, 11:05 am, JimK wrote:
On Feb 24, 6:34 pm, John Rumm wrote:



Access to the cistern behind the stud wall was via the large rectangular
push button contraption for flushing.

ah is that why they're so large! are there options to use smaller
"button" setups? (with alternative cistern access arrangements of
course!)

Cheers
JimK

We fitted a Grohe 82cm frame and Roca pan. The frame came complete
with cistern and flush plate, which we ditched and installed a
stainless pneumatic button. Push for short flush, push and hold for
long flush. Within reason you could have the pneumatic button
anywhere you'd like, within 3m of cistern ISTR.

HTH

Martin