In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:02:13 +0000, Graeme wrote:

We bought 928l 17th December, to top up the tank, and have 1/5th of a
tank left. Tank holds 1200l, so that is 960l over 16 days, or 60l per
day, at 47.8p per litre, plus VAT. £30 per day. Cold up here, on Royal
Deeside!

Are you really sure? That seems like and awful lot of heat going
somewhere. Maybe you like it tropical though...

I wish! Well, no I don't, but no, it certainly isn't hot in here.

Ah, looking at your figures 17th Dec to today is 21 days not 16.
960/21 = 45l/day. Still rather high though, the notional 24/7 boiler
drops to 19kW.

Whoops, yes, you're right. Our supplier works on the basis that we use
53l per day, at the coldest times of the year.

To be fair, we're heating a house plus adjoining shop, with door
constantly opening and closing. House is solid granite walls, cool in
summer, 'kin freezing in winter.

It's not been very warm here either, between 0 and -5C for the last
few weeks. I know the Highlands have been colder, -10 to -15C, but I
don't think it would increase oil consumption that much, would it?

The house is quite large, but we only heat the parts we use. Frost
settings on the rad stats keep the pipes unfrozen in the rest of the
house. The problem is original Victorian single glazed sash windows.
They had a major renovation this summer, which is good in that they
open, for the first time in generations, but the down side is that
draughts come in the parts that used to be stuck with multiple coats of
paint. I'm planning to try some of the cling film type double glazing
applied with a hair dryer, as others have recommended.
--
Graeme

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:02:13 +0000, Graeme wrote:

We bought 928l 17th December, to top up the tank, and have 1/5th of a
tank left. Tank holds 1200l, so that is 960l over 16 days, or 60l per
day, at 47.8p per litre, plus VAT. £30 per day. Cold up here, on Royal
Deeside!

Are you really sure? That seems like and awful lot of heat going
somewhere. Maybe you like it tropical though...

If my maths are right to burn that amount of oil in 16 days would
require a 25kW boiler to run flat out 24/7.

MY very well insulated but somewhat large house has a heatloss of 10Kw
at -5C for 19C internal. That's what the heating engineer said. And that
is to 2000 building regs. AND it takes no account of windchill. They
insisted on venting the concrete raised floors!!


And yes, if I didn't light the fires Id be running the 12Kw boiler 24x7
to keep up.

So I can easily concede 25Kw+ continuous on an older property.

In-laws have very large old house and that's what they run at..bloody
great 40Kw boiler needed in that.

And open fires, too.

average temp in the UK is low teens its only 4-5 degrees above that in
winter/spring that you need to heat.

Now, its maybe 25 degrees temp rise you need. 5 times more power.



(16*24)*25 = 9600kW
Oil produces about 10kW/l so 9600/10 = 960l.

Sure you haven't got an oil leak?
Have you got the windows open?

Ah, looking at your figures 17th Dec to today is 21 days not 16.
960/21 = 45l/day. Still rather high though, the notional 24/7 boiler
drops to 19kW.


VERY realistic then.

It's not been very warm here either, between 0 and -5C for the last
few weeks. I know the Highlands have been colder, -10 to -15C, but I
don't think it would increase oil consumption that much, would it?

I would.

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes

Now, its maybe 25 degrees temp rise you need. 5 times more power.

I don't know how to calculate such things as heat loss, and would
probably depress myself if I could. What I can say is that the temp.
here is -15 outside this morning, and we struggle to keep the house at
+15, which is not particularly warm.
--
Graeme

On 07/01/10 22:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

average temp in the UK is low teens its only 4-5 degrees above that in
winter/spring that you need to heat.
Now, its maybe 25 degrees temp rise you need. 5 times more power.

Calculate in Kelvin, that way the temperature rise is only

(273 + 25)
---------- = 1.07 times
(273 + 5)

instead of 5 times :-P

Graeme wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes

Now, its maybe 25 degrees temp rise you need. 5 times more power.

I don't know how to calculate such things as heat loss, and would
probably depress myself if I could. What I can say is that the temp.
here is -15 outside this morning, and we struggle to keep the house at
+15, which is not particularly warm.

Exactly: heatloss is roughly a function of the temp difference. You cant
make more that 30 degrees over ambient. I am not surprised. Most house
are not designed to do that. My requirement was for -5C out, 20C in. I
was assured this was standard practice. That's 25C rise.

Many people will struggle and have boilers going 24x7 if we get average
temps below -5C.

Andy Burns wrote:
On 07/01/10 22:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

average temp in the UK is low teens its only 4-5 degrees above that in
winter/spring that you need to heat.
Now, its maybe 25 degrees temp rise you need. 5 times more power.

Calculate in Kelvin, that way the temperature rise is only

(273 + 25)
---------- = 1.07 times
(273 + 5)

instead of 5 times :-P


Er, with respect, that is NOT the tempearture RISE.,

That is the temperature.


P=X(Ti-Ta) where Ti and Ta are internal and ambient temps.

Whether they are in kelvin or celsius is irrelevant, as it is not a
division going on, but a subtraction.

MM wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:52:52 -0500, S Viemeister
wrote:

Dave Liquorice wrote:
Well we are using about 25l of oil/day at 40p/l (when we bought at
the end of Oct, I think it's about 45p/l now) so that's £10/day.

I just had a quote of 49.5per/l.

Boilerjuice were quoting 42.3 yesterday for PE12 (1000 litres)


Out of curiosity, I checked Boilerjuice's price for my area - they
quoted 58.78 pence per litre!

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:35:06 -0500, S Viemeister wrote:

Boilerjuice were quoting 42.3 yesterday for PE12 (1000 litres)

Out of curiosity, I checked Boilerjuice's price for my area - they
quoted 58.78 pence per litre!

In the last 30 seconds I've got 49p/l (CA9 3). 5-10 working days
delivery time. I've never found BJ competitive compared to the local
suppler who is generally 1 to 2p cheaper than the other suppliers in
the area and BJ above them...

I guess it depends on where you are an if anybody else near by has
ordered. They do say club together to get a better price but I'd
rather support our local business.

The biggest snag is "Please note the smallest tanker available is a 6
wheel rear steer." I presume that means six axles rather than
wheels... ie one of the big beggers that you see at petrol stations.
I *think* they could get it here but it would have to reverse down
the road a bit and back up an ice covered track to turn around, on a
blind corner...

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:35:06 -0500, S Viemeister wrote:

Boilerjuice were quoting 42.3 yesterday for PE12 (1000 litres)
Out of curiosity, I checked Boilerjuice's price for my area - they
quoted 58.78 pence per litre!

In the last 30 seconds I've got 49p/l (CA9 3). 5-10 working days
delivery time. I've never found BJ competitive compared to the local
suppler who is generally 1 to 2p cheaper than the other suppliers in
the area and BJ above them...

I guess it depends on where you are an if anybody else near by has
ordered. They do say club together to get a better price but I'd
rather support our local business.

The biggest snag is "Please note the smallest tanker available is a 6
wheel rear steer." I presume that means six axles rather than
wheels... ie one of the big beggers that you see at petrol stations.
I *think* they could get it here but it would have to reverse down
the road a bit and back up an ice covered track to turn around, on a
blind corner...

Similar difficulties here. I use the local supplier - they know the
area, and while not cheap, are less expensive than Boilerjuice.

In article ,
MM writes:
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:31:37 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
MM writes:
Not including residual heat from cooking, vacuum cleaner, kiddies etc.
I've just bought an Argos mini oil-filled heater for £24.99 (800W)
because I don't like leaving my little computer room (to go and get
food etc) with the fan heater left switched on.

The oil-filled one is heating the room nicely, although more slowly
than with the fan heater. But I reckon the heated oil will maintain
the desired room temperature for longer between times when the
thermostat switches off. It's been on now (on thermostat) for approx
40 minutes and my Tschibo usage meter says it's used 4½ pence worth so
far (11.5 pence per unit here). Room is approx 2.8m x 2.4m.

I'm working at home at the moment, and my office is the living room table.
Central heating is on until 9am. From 9am through to about 7pm, I am just
using the air conditioner in the living room for heating. It used 1.5 units
yesterday (about 20p?). So far today, it's used 0.26 units. (-5C outside).

That sounds quite good. However, I switch on the CH only as a frost
precaution. Too darned expensive otherwise, until the full pension
kicks in.

Reading some of the other articles, I see I neglected to mention
about 180W of PC/router/switch/monitor/etc incidental heating too.

Yesterday, aircon usage was higher as it was colder outside and the
room started off colder in the morning too (I switched central heating
off before room got up to temperature). Aircon used 3.5 units.
Now I've found it can still grab lots of heat from outside and chuck it
into the room when it't -5C outside, I'm even more impressed with it.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Usenet Nutter wrote:
jgh wrote:
Other than turkey at the works christmas dinner
last month I've not eaten meat in yonks.

Why not? I'm always interested to hear reasons why folk are
vegetarians or just don't eat meat etc .

Nothing philosophical or ideological, I'll eat meat if it's put
in front of me. I just seem to have got out of the habit of
buying it. I used to eat Frosties for breakfast, then one
day noticed I hadn't bought any for several months. Same
with meat.

--
JGH

jgharston wrote:
Usenet Nutter wrote:
jgh wrote:
Other than turkey at the works christmas dinner
last month I've not eaten meat in yonks.
Why not? I'm always interested to hear reasons why folk are
vegetarians or just don't eat meat etc .

Nothing philosophical or ideological, I'll eat meat if it's put
in front of me. I just seem to have got out of the habit of
buying it. I used to eat Frosties for breakfast, then one
day noticed I hadn't bought any for several months. Same
with meat.


same with me with tea.

I realised I was only drinking it out of social habit., not actually
enjoying it.

But my body complains if it doesnt get enough meat. Just used to it
probably.

It never complains it needs more cabbage though.

--
JGH

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
jgharston wrote:
Usenet Nutter wrote:
jgh wrote:
Other than turkey at the works christmas dinner
last month I've not eaten meat in yonks.
Why not? I'm always interested to hear reasons why folk are
vegetarians or just don't eat meat etc .

Nothing philosophical or ideological, I'll eat meat if it's put
in front of me. I just seem to have got out of the habit of
buying it. I used to eat Frosties for breakfast, then one
day noticed I hadn't bought any for several months. Same
with meat.


same with me with tea.

I realised I was only drinking it out of social habit., not actually
enjoying it.

But my body complains if it doesnt get enough meat. Just used to it
probably.

It never complains it needs more cabbage though.

--
JGH

Anything that smells that bad when it's cooking shouldn't be eaten.

In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
In article ,
MM writes:
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:31:37 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
I'm working at home at the moment, and my office is the living room table.
Central heating is on until 9am. From 9am through to about 7pm, I am just
using the air conditioner in the living room for heating. It used 1.5 units
yesterday (about 20p?). So far today, it's used 0.26 units. (-5C outside).

That sounds quite good. However, I switch on the CH only as a frost
precaution. Too darned expensive otherwise, until the full pension
kicks in.

Reading some of the other articles, I see I neglected to mention
about 180W of PC/router/switch/monitor/etc incidental heating too.

Yesterday, aircon usage was higher as it was colder outside and the
room started off colder in the morning too (I switched central heating
off before room got up to temperature). Aircon used 3.5 units.

Typo -- 2.5 units
That was from 9am to 7pm.

Now I've found it can still grab lots of heat from outside and chuck it
into the room when it't -5C outside, I'm even more impressed with it.


--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Stuart Noble
wibbled on Friday 08 January 2010 17:04

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It never complains it needs more cabbage though.

--
JGH

Anything that smells that bad when it's cooking shouldn't be eaten.

Smells worse when it's been through a 20' bioreactor. So SWMBO says...

--
Tim Watts

You know you need more insulation when the snow blanket on the roof makes
the house 3 degrees warmer...

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:35:06 -0500, S Viemeister
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:52:52 -0500, S Viemeister
wrote:

Dave Liquorice wrote:
Well we are using about 25l of oil/day at 40p/l (when we bought at
the end of Oct, I think it's about 45p/l now) so that's £10/day.

I just had a quote of 49.5per/l.

Boilerjuice were quoting 42.3 yesterday for PE12 (1000 litres)


Out of curiosity, I checked Boilerjuice's price for my area - they
quoted 58.78 pence per litre!

For me they're quoting, right now, 46.97

MM

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:21:04 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:35:06 -0500, S Viemeister wrote:

Boilerjuice were quoting 42.3 yesterday for PE12 (1000 litres)

Out of curiosity, I checked Boilerjuice's price for my area - they
quoted 58.78 pence per litre!

In the last 30 seconds I've got 49p/l (CA9 3). 5-10 working days
delivery time. I've never found BJ competitive compared to the local
suppler who is generally 1 to 2p cheaper than the other suppliers in
the area and BJ above them...

Oh I've never actually bought oil from BJ, but as a guide they're the
only one I know of. Other websites seem to want to know your inside
leg measurement before they'll give you a quote.

MM

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:39:05 -0500, S Viemeister
wrote:

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:35:06 -0500, S Viemeister wrote:

Boilerjuice were quoting 42.3 yesterday for PE12 (1000 litres)
Out of curiosity, I checked Boilerjuice's price for my area - they
quoted 58.78 pence per litre!

In the last 30 seconds I've got 49p/l (CA9 3). 5-10 working days
delivery time. I've never found BJ competitive compared to the local
suppler who is generally 1 to 2p cheaper than the other suppliers in
the area and BJ above them...

I guess it depends on where you are an if anybody else near by has
ordered. They do say club together to get a better price but I'd
rather support our local business.

The biggest snag is "Please note the smallest tanker available is a 6
wheel rear steer." I presume that means six axles rather than
wheels... ie one of the big beggers that you see at petrol stations.
I *think* they could get it here but it would have to reverse down
the road a bit and back up an ice covered track to turn around, on a
blind corner...

Similar difficulties here. I use the local supplier - they know the
area, and while not cheap, are less expensive than Boilerjuice.

I've only used Chandler's Oil and Gas for the three deliveries I've
had in five years. I ring around, but CO&G turn out to be cheapest by
a penny or two.

MM

On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:53:54 -0800 (PST), jgharston
wrote:

Usenet Nutter wrote:
jgh wrote:
Other than turkey at the works christmas dinner
last month I've not eaten meat in yonks.

Why not? I'm always interested to hear reasons why folk are
vegetarians or just don't eat meat etc .

Nothing philosophical or ideological, I'll eat meat if it's put
in front of me. I just seem to have got out of the habit of
buying it. I used to eat Frosties for breakfast, then one
day noticed I hadn't bought any for several months. Same
with meat.

I could never be a vegan, except by force. I love meat. Last night I
had a delicious pork steak with mushrooms and onions. Previous night a
free-range chicken quarter. Not keen on Frosties, though. Far too
sweet.

MM

On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:54:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Usenet Nutter wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:14:18 +0000, Terry Fields
wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

pete wrote:

Agree about the insulation, though it turns out that the DG is a loss maker.
The cost of heat-loss through SG windows[1] doesn't even pay the interest
on the cost of having it installed. DG cost: £5200, interest @ 5% = £260 p.a.

MOST savings on DG come from replacing leaky, rotten and draughty
windows with ones that seal properly.

Not from the actual DG itself!
Oh, I'd agree with that. The reason the original SG units were
replaced is because the house-builder forgot to seal the bottom
frames, and they all rotted.

Installing the DG evened out the temperature gradient across the
lounge, which coupled with the reduction in draughts really raised the
comfort level.

So do you reckon after tomorrow when my old draughty wooden tilt 'n
turn windows are replaced by DG units ,coupled with my having put foam
insulation behind the wooden panelling below the windows and when I
connect up the two new K2 rads ( presently using one old double panel
single finned rad supplemented by a Calor Gas heater ) that I'll see a
difference in my Victorian high ceiling living room?

YES.

I think I'll need to leave the fitters a kettle and tea and coffee and
biscuits ..don't envy them fitting windows in this weather .I'll go
and sit in the bathroom where it'll be warmer .

Sat at home today while the fitters fitted my new windows in the
bedroom and living room at the same time and the door was open a lot
of the time as well..I can honestly say I have never felt so cold in
my life ...even lying under a duvet with two layers of clothing on and
a shooting jacket on it was cold .I then used 2 hot water bottles
under the duvet and that made things a bit better but as soon as I
moved from there it was back to freezing my nuts off and everthting I
touched in the house was as if you had just taken it out of the
fridge. Anyway that's the job done so hopefully it'll be a lot warmer
from now on once I get the curtains back up and the 2nd rad connected
..

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:41:53 +0000, MM wrote:

I could never be a vegan, except by force. I love meat.

Neither could I, like my cheese and milk too much. Meat I can, and
do, do without.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:37:20 +0000, MM wrote:

Oh I've never actually bought oil from BJ, but as a guide they're the
only one I know of. Other websites seem to want to know your inside
leg measurement before they'll give you a quote.

http://www.silvey.co.uk only need to give it a postcode to which they

deliver. Just given me 48.28p/l but again they tend to be high
compared to the local suppliers.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:37:20 +0000, MM wrote:

Oh I've never actually bought oil from BJ, but as a guide they're the
only one I know of. Other websites seem to want to know your inside
leg measurement before they'll give you a quote.

http://www.silvey.co.uk only need to give it a postcode to which they

deliver. Just given me 48.28p/l but again they tend to be high
compared to the local suppliers.

They won't give me a quote!

MM wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:35:06 -0500, S Viemeister
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:52:52 -0500, S Viemeister
wrote:

Dave Liquorice wrote:
Well we are using about 25l of oil/day at 40p/l (when we bought at
the end of Oct, I think it's about 45p/l now) so that's £10/day.

I just had a quote of 49.5per/l.
Boilerjuice were quoting 42.3 yesterday for PE12 (1000 litres)

Out of curiosity, I checked Boilerjuice's price for my area - they
quoted 58.78 pence per litre!

For me they're quoting, right now, 46.97

But you don't live in the back of beyond...

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:07:05 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:37:20 +0000, MM wrote:

Oh I've never actually bought oil from BJ, but as a guide they're the
only one I know of. Other websites seem to want to know your inside
leg measurement before they'll give you a quote.

http://www.silvey.co.uk only need to give it a postcode to which they

deliver. Just given me 48.28p/l but again they tend to be high
compared to the local suppliers.

Just tried Silvey - no go. Probably because I'm not in their area.

MM

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:23:44 -0500, S Viemeister
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:35:06 -0500, S Viemeister
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:52:52 -0500, S Viemeister
wrote:

Dave Liquorice wrote:
Well we are using about 25l of oil/day at 40p/l (when we bought at
the end of Oct, I think it's about 45p/l now) so that's £10/day.

I just had a quote of 49.5per/l.
Boilerjuice were quoting 42.3 yesterday for PE12 (1000 litres)

Out of curiosity, I checked Boilerjuice's price for my area - they
quoted 58.78 pence per litre!

For me they're quoting, right now, 46.97

But you don't live in the back of beyond...

Huh! I'd say I do! 2 miles from the Wash as the crow flies. 6 miles
from the shops. No gritters whatsoever. What snow falls stays there.
Local pickup bus cancelled. I'd say this was pretty much beyond hope
here. Mind you, it's nice in the spring.

MM

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:03:04 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:41:53 +0000, MM wrote:

I could never be a vegan, except by force. I love meat.

Neither could I, like my cheese and milk too much. Meat I can, and
do, do without.

What about eggs? Nothing has to die for us to eat eggs.

MM

MM wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:03:04 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:41:53 +0000, MM wrote:

I could never be a vegan, except by force. I love meat.
Neither could I, like my cheese and milk too much. Meat I can, and
do, do without.

What about eggs? Nothing has to die for us to eat eggs.


So if eggs aren't alive, how do they turn into birds?

Vegetables are alive too.
As are all the bacteria that you constantly ingest and kill.


MM

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:03:24 +0000, MM wrote:

Just tried Silvey - no go. Probably because I'm not in their area.

Niether am I,by about 300 miles, just think of post code they do
deliver to...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:22:42 -0500, S Viemeister wrote:

http://www.silvey.co.uk only need to give it a postcode to which
they
deliver.

They won't give me a quote!

Which part of "only need to give it a postcode to which they
deliver." don't you two understand. B-)

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:05:57 +0000, MM wrote:

But you don't live in the back of beyond...

Huh! I'd say I do! 2 miles from the Wash as the crow flies. 6 miles
from the shops.

2.5 miles to the local Co-Op but if the weather threatens to close
the roads that runs out of bread and milk very quickly. After that
it's 20+ miles to Carlisle, Hexham or Penrith for a supermarket same
for all other "High St" shops.

6 miles is walkable in a day, even through snow provided it's not
more than 18" deep on average. 20 miles is two if not three days
under similar conditions...

No gritters whatsoever. What snow falls stays there.

We do have two gritters and at least one snow blower and a stock of
rocksalt in the town. No a lot of choice really when it snows all
roads in are blocked. The A686 has been blocked for the last two
weeks below Hartside, it did open briefly then it snowed and blew
again. By blocked I mean drifts between 6' and 20' deep along several
miles of road. The B6277 beyound the Yad Moss ski tow is also closed.

Oh look it's snowing again...

Local pickup bus cancelled.

You have a bus! There is one that passes us when the schools are in
which you can use. Other than that it would be 2.5 mile walk into
town, if you live in the village make that nearly a 4 mile walk. That
would include a 400' rise and fall as well, not on the flat. B-)

--
Cheers
Dave.

MM wrote:
wrote:
MM wrote:
wrote:
MM wrote:
wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
Well we are using about 25l of oil/day at 40p/l (when we bought at
the end of Oct, I think it's about 45p/l now) so that's £10/day.

I just had a quote of 49.5per/l.
Boilerjuice were quoting 42.3 yesterday for PE12 (1000 litres)

Out of curiosity, I checked Boilerjuice's price for my area - they
quoted 58.78 pence per litre!
For me they're quoting, right now, 46.97

But you don't live in the back of beyond...

Huh! I'd say I do! 2 miles from the Wash as the crow flies. 6 miles
from the shops. No gritters whatsoever. What snow falls stays there.
Local pickup bus cancelled. I'd say this was pretty much beyond hope
here. Mind you, it's nice in the spring.

I can easily top that!
40 miles from the nearest supermarket, 5 miles from the nearest bank
(which has no ATM), 100 miles from the nearest cluster of department stores.
The only local bus, is the PostBus, once a day - but not now, as the
(single track) road is blocked.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...

6 miles is walkable in a day, even through snow provided it's not
more than 18" deep on average. 20 miles is two if not three days
under similar conditions...

Skis?

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:16:11 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What about eggs? Nothing has to die for us to eat eggs.

Eggs I like as well but not many.

So if eggs aren't alive, how do they turn into birds?

I don't think the eggs you buy in the shops are viable, even when
laid. Ones from your own chickens probably are though.

Vegetables are alive too. As are all the bacteria that you constantly
ingest and kill.

Starting to get silly but then meat v vegetarian v vegan is a subject
like politics and religion.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:24:44 -0000, Clive George wrote:

6 miles is walkable in a day, even through snow provided it's not
more than 18" deep on average. 20 miles is two if not three days
under similar conditions...

Skis?

Don't have any though I could hire from our neighbours. Not sure how
well skis cope with deep soft dry powder snow, they might be more of
hinderance than a help, snow shoes?

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:04:58 -0500, S Viemeister wrote:

40 miles from the nearest supermarket, 5 miles from the nearest bank
(which has no ATM), 100 miles from the nearest cluster of department
stores. The only local bus, is the PostBus, once a day - but not now, as
the (single track) road is blocked.

I some how knew you where going to say something like that. B-)

I wonder what would happen if the weather *really* closed in down
south. And the large supermarkets couldn't get the dozen or more
deliveries they get every day and thus run out of bread, milk, fresh
veg etc and all the other food shelves become bare?

We have enough food to go about a week without stepping outside,
might get a bit monotinous but we wouldn't starve. We also have back
up heating, cooking and lighting and a small generator. If things got
really bad I'd hunt the rabbits and pheasants, we are normally
vegetarian BTW... Sorry fluffy bunny but if it's between you and me
it'll be me that survives.

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Cheers
Dave.

On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 07:12:08 -0800 (PST), Owain wrote:

I don't think the eggs you buy in the shops are viable, even when
laid. Ones from your own chickens probably are though.

Surely only if Mr Cockerel left his calling card?

Not well enough informed about chickens and eggs. Do chickens just
lay without being served by a cockerel at least once?

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Cheers
Dave.

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:58:51 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:05:57 +0000, MM wrote:

But you don't live in the back of beyond...

Huh! I'd say I do! 2 miles from the Wash as the crow flies. 6 miles
from the shops.

2.5 miles to the local Co-Op but if the weather threatens to close
the roads that runs out of bread and milk very quickly. After that
it's 20+ miles to Carlisle, Hexham or Penrith for a supermarket same
for all other "High St" shops.

6 miles is walkable in a day, even through snow provided it's not
more than 18" deep on average. 20 miles is two if not three days
under similar conditions...

And 6 miles back, nota bene!


No gritters whatsoever. What snow falls stays there.

We do have two gritters and at least one snow blower and a stock of
rocksalt in the town. No a lot of choice really when it snows all
roads in are blocked. The A686 has been blocked for the last two
weeks below Hartside, it did open briefly then it snowed and blew
again. By blocked I mean drifts between 6' and 20' deep along several
miles of road. The B6277 beyound the Yad Moss ski tow is also closed.

Oh look it's snowing again...

Local pickup bus cancelled.

You have a bus!

One you have to order specially by phone. However, the slightest
slippery surface and it doesn't run.

There is one that passes us when the schools are in
which you can use. Other than that it would be 2.5 mile walk into
town, if you live in the village make that nearly a 4 mile walk. That
would include a 400' rise and fall as well, not on the flat. B-)

A few years ago at my previous location I used to walk 3 miles home
from the garage when I dropped my car off for servicing or MoT. But 12
miles is a different kettle of fish entirely.

MM

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:04:58 -0500, S Viemeister
wrote:

MM wrote:
wrote:
MM wrote:
wrote:
MM wrote:
wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
Well we are using about 25l of oil/day at 40p/l (when we bought at
the end of Oct, I think it's about 45p/l now) so that's £10/day.

I just had a quote of 49.5per/l.
Boilerjuice were quoting 42.3 yesterday for PE12 (1000 litres)

Out of curiosity, I checked Boilerjuice's price for my area - they
quoted 58.78 pence per litre!
For me they're quoting, right now, 46.97

But you don't live in the back of beyond...

Huh! I'd say I do! 2 miles from the Wash as the crow flies. 6 miles
from the shops. No gritters whatsoever. What snow falls stays there.
Local pickup bus cancelled. I'd say this was pretty much beyond hope
here. Mind you, it's nice in the spring.

I can easily top that!
40 miles from the nearest supermarket, 5 miles from the nearest bank
(which has no ATM), 100 miles from the nearest cluster of department stores.
The only local bus, is the PostBus, once a day - but not now, as the
(single track) road is blocked.

I bet I'm closer to Hamburg, though...

MM

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:05:38 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:04:58 -0500, S Viemeister wrote:

40 miles from the nearest supermarket, 5 miles from the nearest bank
(which has no ATM), 100 miles from the nearest cluster of department
stores. The only local bus, is the PostBus, once a day - but not now, as
the (single track) road is blocked.

I some how knew you where going to say something like that. B-)

I wonder what would happen if the weather *really* closed in down
south. And the large supermarkets couldn't get the dozen or more
deliveries they get every day and thus run out of bread, milk, fresh
veg etc and all the other food shelves become bare?

We have enough food to go about a week without stepping outside,
might get a bit monotinous but we wouldn't starve. We also have back
up heating, cooking and lighting and a small generator. If things got
really bad I'd hunt the rabbits and pheasants, we are normally
vegetarian BTW... Sorry fluffy bunny but if it's between you and me
it'll be me that survives.

My backup is two cans of Camping Gaz for the 2-burner stove, plus
loads of tea lights, 3 packets of cereals (crunchy nut [Aldi brand],
fruit 'n fibre, muesli), 3 litres of milk, various tins of: rice
pudding, tomatoes, carrots, etc, loads of dried pasta and rice, four
baking potatoes, a pork steak, 3 Lincolnshire sausages, pack of Polish
sliced sausage, pack of Spanish sliced salami, Flora, and several
bottles of various sauces. I've also got plenty of bread, four eggs,
and a jar of Bovril and I reckon one can go quite a long way with just
Bovril on toast. This BTW is the re-beefed-up version.

I've often wondered which single food one would last the longest on,
given a desert island situation, but no fish. Suppose you could choose
just one food, which one would keep you alive the longest?

My money's on eggs.

MM