What options are there for decorating the kitchen?

Most of the kitchen wallpapers I've seen are too gross for words (tea
pots!!) - but not-perfect walls need covering up and tiling is too
dear for huge walls.

Is it just a case of buy the least offensive kitchen stuff, or will
lining or blown vinyl wallpaper last if it's painted with kitchen
paint?

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mogga
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 09:38

What options are there for decorating the kitchen?

Most of the kitchen wallpapers I've seen are too gross for words (tea
pots!!) - but not-perfect walls need covering up and tiling is too
dear for huge walls.

Doesn't have to be (without knowing what "huge" means):

http://www.toppstiles.co.uk/tprod274...Wall-Tile.html

Sometimes you can get good deals on clearance batches.

Is it just a case of buy the least offensive kitchen stuff, or will
lining or blown vinyl wallpaper last if it's painted with kitchen
paint?


Are the walls so bad that using a matt paint wouldn't subdue any
imperfections? It's surprising how a crap wall can be quite passable with a
good matt paint.

If not, I might go for lining paper fixed with a good glue (sorry can't
advise - but something that's not going to fall off with a bit of cold
water vapour) and paint that.

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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:53:41 +0000, Tim W wrote:

mogga
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 09:38

What options are there for decorating the kitchen?

Most of the kitchen wallpapers I've seen are too gross for words (tea
pots!!) - but not-perfect walls need covering up and tiling is too
dear for huge walls.

Doesn't have to be (without knowing what "huge" means):


It's a floor to ceiling stretch of wall maybe 8-9ft long - it's got a
radiator on it too.

http://www.toppstiles.co.uk/tprod274...Wall-Tile.html

Sometimes you can get good deals on clearance batches.

Is it just a case of buy the least offensive kitchen stuff, or will
lining or blown vinyl wallpaper last if it's painted with kitchen
paint?


Are the walls so bad that using a matt paint wouldn't subdue any
imperfections? It's surprising how a crap wall can be quite passable with a
good matt paint.

Something like Dulux Tough Matt Kitchen Paint Cookie Dough ?
(Why do I like paints that are the colour of new plaster?)



If not, I might go for lining paper fixed with a good glue (sorry can't
advise - but something that's not going to fall off with a bit of cold
water vapour) and paint that.

OK. I think lining paper is probably the cheapest & easiest option.

I'll have a look for wallpaper pastes.
Thanks
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mogga
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 10:28

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:53:41 +0000, Tim W wrote:

mogga
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 09:38

What options are there for decorating the kitchen?

Most of the kitchen wallpapers I've seen are too gross for words (tea
pots!!) - but not-perfect walls need covering up and tiling is too
dear for huge walls.

Doesn't have to be (without knowing what "huge" means):


It's a floor to ceiling stretch of wall maybe 8-9ft long -

So about 8m2 including 10% tile wasteage, so that's 32 quid's worth of
tiles, 2 tubs of BAL Greenstar (£19) and some grout (£20 at worst). A
decent can of Dulux Endurance is £20. So the tiling option is £51 more.
Take out the lining paper and adhesive if you do use those and you're left
with the question:

Are the admittedly very cheap white tiles above going to look better or
worse than painted lining paper or painted walls?

I have no idea what your budget is, but tiling doesn't have to be stupidly
expensive. It gets expensive if you go for uber fancy tiles and pay someone
to do it for you.

it's got a
radiator on it too.

Tile round it, or if the valves at both ends work, take it off - no need to
drain the whole system, just the rad.

http://www.toppstiles.co.uk/tprod274...Wall-Tile.html

Sometimes you can get good deals on clearance batches.

Is it just a case of buy the least offensive kitchen stuff, or will
lining or blown vinyl wallpaper last if it's painted with kitchen
paint?


Are the walls so bad that using a matt paint wouldn't subdue any
imperfections? It's surprising how a crap wall can be quite passable with
a good matt paint.

Something like Dulux Tough Matt Kitchen Paint Cookie Dough ?
(Why do I like paints that are the colour of new plaster?)

I wasn't very impressed with the Dulux Bathroom paint. The end result is
good, but the coverage was awful. If the kitchen paint is that bad, I'd go
for Endurance. I've found the coverage to be excellent (2 coats max
guaranteed).


If not, I might go for lining paper fixed with a good glue (sorry can't
advise - but something that's not going to fall off with a bit of cold
water vapour) and paint that.

OK. I think lining paper is probably the cheapest & easiest option.


It will be quicker than tiling. Tiling walls isn't remotely hard, but it can
be time consuming for smaller tiles.

Cheers

Tim


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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:56:50 +0000, Tim W wrote:

Are the admittedly very cheap white tiles above going to look better or
worse than painted lining paper or painted walls?

Good question and for a few quid more a few fancy tiles or bits of
trim can be added that give the impression of expense for very little
extra outlay.

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Dave.

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:56:50 +0000, Tim W wrote:

mogga
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 10:28

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:53:41 +0000, Tim W wrote:

mogga
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 09:38

What options are there for decorating the kitchen?

Most of the kitchen wallpapers I've seen are too gross for words (tea
pots!!) - but not-perfect walls need covering up and tiling is too
dear for huge walls.

Doesn't have to be (without knowing what "huge" means):


It's a floor to ceiling stretch of wall maybe 8-9ft long -

So about 8m2 including 10% tile wasteage, so that's 32 quid's worth of
tiles, 2 tubs of BAL Greenstar (£19) and some grout (£20 at worst). A

So those 15cm square white tiles ... at tops tiles... (Ahh just
spotted the link below)
I'd not considered them but it's certainly an option I spose. Ta. :-)
I will go and ask Mr Mogga what he thinks of the idea



decent can of Dulux Endurance is £20. So the tiling option is £51 more.
Take out the lining paper and adhesive if you do use those and you're left
with the question:

Are the admittedly very cheap white tiles above going to look better or
worse than painted lining paper or painted walls?

They've be easier to clean for sure.



I have no idea what your budget is, but tiling doesn't have to be stupidly
expensive. It gets expensive if you go for uber fancy tiles and pay someone
to do it for you.

it's got a
radiator on it too.

Tile round it, or if the valves at both ends work, take it off - no need to
drain the whole system, just the rad.

http://www.toppstiles.co.uk/tprod274...Wall-Tile.html

Sometimes you can get good deals on clearance batches.

Is it just a case of buy the least offensive kitchen stuff, or will
lining or blown vinyl wallpaper last if it's painted with kitchen
paint?


Are the walls so bad that using a matt paint wouldn't subdue any
imperfections? It's surprising how a crap wall can be quite passable with
a good matt paint.

Something like Dulux Tough Matt Kitchen Paint Cookie Dough ?
(Why do I like paints that are the colour of new plaster?)

I wasn't very impressed with the Dulux Bathroom paint. The end result is
good, but the coverage was awful. If the kitchen paint is that bad, I'd go
for Endurance. I've found the coverage to be excellent (2 coats max
guaranteed).

Endurance has lots of nice colours too - cool!





If not, I might go for lining paper fixed with a good glue (sorry can't
advise - but something that's not going to fall off with a bit of cold
water vapour) and paint that.

OK. I think lining paper is probably the cheapest & easiest option.


It will be quicker than tiling. Tiling walls isn't remotely hard, but it can
be time consuming for smaller tiles.

I know it's just whether mr mogga will trust me to do it. (there's
plenty of other jobs for him to be doing already ... he did let me put
a couple of tiles on in the bathroom here the other year, and didn't
remove them the minute I left the room )


Cheers

Tim
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Tim W wrote:

So about 8m2 including 10% tile wasteage, so that's 32 quid's worth of
tiles, 2 tubs of BAL Greenstar (£19) and some grout (£20 at worst). A
decent can of Dulux Endurance is £20. So the tiling option is £51 more.
Take out the lining paper and adhesive if you do use those and you're left
with the question:

Are the admittedly very cheap white tiles above going to look better or
worse than painted lining paper or painted walls?

My lined and painted walls certainly look good to me. :-)

There is also the consideration that a quick repaint of the wall
can easily change the look of the kitchen if you want to refresh
it, whereas you are stuck with the tiles.

There are washable papers available with more acceptable designs,
but it is a very subjective area. You will probably get much
better choice if you have a local specialist shop, rather than
looking in the sheds.

Chris
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mogga
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 11:39

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:56:50 +0000, Tim W wrote:


So about 8m2 including 10% tile wasteage, so that's 32 quid's worth of
tiles, 2 tubs of BAL Greenstar (£19) and some grout (£20 at worst). A

So those 15cm square white tiles ... at tops tiles... (Ahh just
spotted the link below)
I'd not considered them but it's certainly an option I spose. Ta. :-)
I will go and ask Mr Mogga what he thinks of the idea

If I've undone any preconception that tiling is really expensive, then if
you set a budget you might be able to get something really nice from a
clearance deal without spending much more.

For example, still on the neutral white theme:

http://www.wallsandfloors.co.uk/prod...s.php?tid=2366

roll in at about £70.



decent can of Dulux Endurance is £20. So the tiling option is £51 more.
Take out the lining paper and adhesive if you do use those and you're left
with the question:

Are the admittedly very cheap white tiles above going to look better or
worse than painted lining paper or painted walls?

They've be easier to clean for sure.

True. Endurance paint is a bit tougher than cheap emulsion, so you hould get
some milage out of it.


Endurance has lots of nice colours too - cool!

Infinite virtually - it's one that can be blended in store from the 6
million colours on the little cards.

I know it's just whether mr mogga will trust me to do it. (there's
plenty of other jobs for him to be doing already ... he did let me put
a couple of tiles on in the bathroom here the other year, and didn't
remove them the minute I left the room )

If you start by marking the wall with a level line and maybe repeat after a
couple of courses, or use a line laser if Mr Mogga has one, or a taught
string set level - then that and tile spacers makes it easy to avoid
wobbliness.

The BAL Greenstar, like many modern adhesives is near zero slip, so you get
to adjust the tile for quite a while and it will stay put by itself - no
need for battens to support the first row. My advice is small grout lines -
2mm or so, but it's personal preference.

The only fiddly bit is cutting tiles, which is only likely to be 2 edges and
the sockets if you plan it right - but a hand scorer will work for minimum
expense and a nibbler or saw to go round awkward shapes.


Cheers

Tim

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On 27/10/2009 12:17 Tim W wrote:

The BAL Greenstar, like many modern adhesives is near zero slip, so you get
to adjust the tile for quite a while and it will stay put by itself - no
need for battens to support the first row.

I've used a couple of panel pins per tile to support the bottom row
without problems (other than the one time I didn't check for pipes behind!).

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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:53:41 +0000, Tim W wrote:
Are the walls so bad that using a matt paint wouldn't subdue any
imperfections? It's surprising how a crap wall can be quite passable with a
good matt paint.

Yes - we have an old farmhouse, which means the kitchen walls once
painted just look "rustic", not crap :-)

It does depend on how 'regular' the crappyness is, I suppose - if
it's things like the outline of where cupboards used to be etc. (i.e.
regular shapes, straight lines) then it'll probably show, but if it's just
imperfections in the finish then yes, a good paint will really sort it I
think.

cheers

Jules