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Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.

There's this:

http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html

Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.

There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.
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On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.

There's this:

http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html

Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.

There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.


I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/nxl/3660/4_ba...e_page.en.html

Although most of the resistors that I have are not the value stated,
because they have been removed from aircraft and replaced.
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"Matty F" wrote in message ...
On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.

There's this:

http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html

Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.

There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.


I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/nxl/3660/4_ba...e_page.en.html


I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)

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"Matty F" wrote in message ...
On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.

There's this:

http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html

Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.

There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.


I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/nxl/3660/4_ba...e_page.en.html


I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)


Don't we all? ;-)))

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I'm out of date... Can anyone explain how you know which direction to read a
6 band resistor in? There doesn't seem to be an obvious asymmetry...

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I'm out of date... Can anyone explain how you know which direction to read a
6 band resistor in? There doesn't seem to be an obvious asymmetry...


Left to right. (Yes I know, I know).
Bring back "Body-Tip-Spot" is what I say.

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On Oct 17, 11:48 am, "Graham." wrote:
"Matty F" wrote in ...
On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.


There's this:


http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html


Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.


There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.


I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/nxl/3660/4_ba...e_page.en.html


I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)


Quoting "young girls" and "virginity" is not racist
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Matty F
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I'm out of date... Can anyone explain how you know which direction to read a
6 band resistor in? There doesn't seem to be an obvious asymmetry...


Left to right. (Yes I know, I know).
Bring back "Body-Tip-Spot" is what I say.


FSVO rotsiser

(I think I've just molished a new jbeq)
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Graham. wrote:
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On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.

There's this:

http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html

Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.

There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.

I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/nxl/3660/4_ba...e_page.en.html


I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)

Do you? 10 years as a design engineer left them second nature to me.

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Graham. wrote:
"Matty F" wrote in message ...
On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.

There's this:

http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html

Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.

There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.
I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/nxl/3660/4_ba...e_page.en.html


I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)

Do you? 10 years as a design engineer left them second nature to me.


I certainly knew them well before age 11 (and before I would have
known what a virgin or a racist was, so it's unlikely any mnemonics
would have helped me), but I do remember "body, tip, spot"!

TBH, one of the things that initially attracted me to electronics at
such a young age was the pretty colours on resistors, and being
curious about why. My father had done lots of electronics before I
was born, and I retrieved his boxes of it from the loft, and started
from there.

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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:06:08 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

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The Natural Philosopher writes:
Graham. wrote:
"Matty F" wrote in message
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On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.

There's this:

http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html

Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and
P(ower)-V-I-R.

There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.
I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/

nxl/3660/4_band_resistor_color_code_page.en.html

I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)

Do you? 10 years as a design engineer left them second nature to me.


I certainly knew them well before age 11 (and before I would have known
what a virgin or a racist was, so it's unlikely any mnemonics would have
helped me), but I do remember "body, tip, spot"!

TBH, one of the things that initially attracted me to electronics at
such a young age was the pretty colours on resistors, and being curious
about why. My father had done lots of electronics before I was born, and
I retrieved his boxes of it from the loft, and started from there.


Ther capacitors were even nicer - don't see them these says. Looked a bit
like liquorice allsorts.




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On 17 Oct 2009 10:10:20 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

Ther capacitors were even nicer - don't see them these says. Looked a
bit like liquorice allsorts.


Oy! I don't look like a capacitor, although I am becoming a little
rounder than I was.

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FSVO rotsiser

(I think I've just molished a new jbeq)


Opps. ye shed door is ajar. Wrong planet!

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On Oct 17, 11:48 am, "Graham." wrote:
"Matty F" wrote in
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On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.


There's this:


http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html


Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.


There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.


I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/nxl/3660/4_ba...e_page.en.html


I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)


Quoting "young girls" and "virginity" is not racist


Blimey! That brings back memories!

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Ther capacitors were even nicer - don't see them these says. Looked a bit
like liquorice allsorts.

Capacitors were all quite boring when I started. Just blue or orange film
around the metal.

But I did love hoarding resistors. I used to nip into Tandy on the way home
from school - buy a pack of resistors, and use my Battery Club card! :-)



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Ther capacitors were even nicer - don't see them these says. Looked a bit
like liquorice allsorts.


Pigs for the end breaking off the swiss-roll though, if you pulled on
the lead when soldering.

What was the name for these? Polyethylene foil and a cement dip AFAIR,
but they had a name too?
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"Matty F" wrote in message
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On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.

There's this:

http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html

Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.

There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.

I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/nxl/3660/4_ba...e_page.en.html


I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)


Don't we all? ;-)))

I don't know what you're on about


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On Oct 17, 11:48 am, "Graham." wrote:
"Matty F" wrote in

ps.com...
On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.


There's this:


http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html


Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.


There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.


I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/nxl/3660/4_ba...e_page.en.html


I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)


Quoting "young girls" and "virginity" is not racist


You'd better remind me of that one ...

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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:06:08 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
Graham. wrote:
"Matty F" wrote in message
news:f5d531e1-56ba-4fef-8330-

...
On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.

There's this:

http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html

Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and
P(ower)-V-I-R.

There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.
I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/

nxl/3660/4_band_resistor_color_code_page.en.html

I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)

Do you? 10 years as a design engineer left them second nature to me.


I certainly knew them well before age 11 (and before I would have known
what a virgin or a racist was, so it's unlikely any mnemonics would have
helped me), but I do remember "body, tip, spot"!

TBH, one of the things that initially attracted me to electronics at
such a young age was the pretty colours on resistors, and being curious
about why. My father had done lots of electronics before I was born, and
I retrieved his boxes of it from the loft, and started from there.


Ther capacitors were even nicer - don't see them these says. Looked a bit
like liquorice allsorts.

I used to have a girlfriend who used to nick them and turn them into
eaarrings

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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:04:10 -0700, Andy Dingley wrote:

On 17 Oct, 11:10, Bob Eager wrote:

Ther capacitors were even nicer - don't see them these says. Looked a
bit like liquorice allsorts.


Pigs for the end breaking off the swiss-roll though, if you pulled on
the lead when soldering.

What was the name for these? Polyethylene foil and a cement dip AFAIR,
but they had a name too?


Are we talking abiut the same thing? These were rectangular, flattish,
with rounded edges (typically about a cm per side, 2-3mm thick, wires
from two of the bottom corners, horizontal stripes. Polyester ISTR.



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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:34:42 +0100, Frank Erskine wrote:

On 17 Oct 2009 23:13:34 GMT, Bob Eager had this to
say:

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:04:10 -0700, Andy Dingley wrote:

On 17 Oct, 11:10, Bob Eager wrote:

Ther capacitors were even nicer - don't see them these says. Looked a
bit like liquorice allsorts.

Pigs for the end breaking off the swiss-roll though, if you pulled on
the lead when soldering.

What was the name for these? Polyethylene foil and a cement dip AFAIR,
but they had a name too?


Are we talking abiut the same thing? These were rectangular, flattish,
with rounded edges (typically about a cm per side, 2-3mm thick, wires
from two of the bottom corners, horizontal stripes. Polyester ISTR.


They were modern things. Proper condensers (mica) were maybe 1" x 3/4" x
1/16" and dipped in brown wax, or encased in brown bakelite (engraved
with the value) with large flat tags sticking out of the ends.

Or Hunts/TCC paper ones in an aluminium tube with rubber seals in the
ends.

Then of course there were wet electrolytics that had to be kept
upright...


Yep, seen (and mostly used) all of those too. But not as pretty...




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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:07:19 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , Bob Eager
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:06:08 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
Graham. wrote:
"Matty F" wrote in message
news:f5d531e1-56ba-4fef-8330-

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On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.

There's this:

http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html

Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and
P(ower)-V-I-R.

There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.
I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/

nxl/3660/4_band_resistor_color_code_page.en.html

I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)

Do you? 10 years as a design engineer left them second nature to me.

I certainly knew them well before age 11 (and before I would have
known what a virgin or a racist was, so it's unlikely any mnemonics
would have helped me), but I do remember "body, tip, spot"!

TBH, one of the things that initially attracted me to electronics at
such a young age was the pretty colours on resistors, and being
curious about why. My father had done lots of electronics before I was
born, and I retrieved his boxes of it from the loft, and started from
there.


Ther capacitors were even nicer - don't see them these says. Looked a
bit like liquorice allsorts.

I used to have a girlfriend who used to nick them and turn them into
eaarrings


I gave SWMBO a pair of proper Pentium II earrings once.



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I gave SWMBO a pair of proper Pentium II earrings once.

Did the increase to triple-core processing help with multi-tasking?

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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:40:59 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:07:19 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , Bob Eager
writes
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:06:08 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
Graham. wrote:
"Matty F" wrote in message
news:f5d531e1-56ba-4fef-8330-
...
On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.

There's this:

http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html

Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and
P(ower)-V-I-R.

There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.
I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/
nxl/3660/4_band_resistor_color_code_page.en.html

I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)

Do you? 10 years as a design engineer left them second nature to me.

I certainly knew them well before age 11 (and before I would have
known what a virgin or a racist was, so it's unlikely any mnemonics
would have helped me), but I do remember "body, tip, spot"!

TBH, one of the things that initially attracted me to electronics at
such a young age was the pretty colours on resistors, and being
curious about why. My father had done lots of electronics before I
was born, and I retrieved his boxes of it from the loft, and started
from there.

Ther capacitors were even nicer - don't see them these says. Looked a
bit like liquorice allsorts.

I used to have a girlfriend who used to nick them and turn them into
eaarrings


I gave SWMBO a pair of proper Pentium II earrings once.


She still has them - just seen!



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I gave SWMBO a pair of proper Pentium II earrings once.

Did the increase to triple-core processing help with multi-tasking?


Not really. But total power increased at least tenfold.



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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:34:42 +0100, Frank Erskine wrote:

On 17 Oct 2009 23:13:34 GMT, Bob Eager had this to
say:

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:04:10 -0700, Andy Dingley wrote:

On 17 Oct, 11:10, Bob Eager wrote:

Ther capacitors were even nicer - don't see them these says. Looked a
bit like liquorice allsorts.

Pigs for the end breaking off the swiss-roll though, if you pulled on
the lead when soldering.

What was the name for these? Polyethylene foil and a cement dip AFAIR,
but they had a name too?

Are we talking abiut the same thing? These were rectangular, flattish,
with rounded edges (typically about a cm per side, 2-3mm thick, wires
from two of the bottom corners, horizontal stripes. Polyester ISTR.


They were modern things. Proper condensers (mica) were maybe 1" x 3/4" x
1/16" and dipped in brown wax, or encased in brown bakelite (engraved
with the value) with large flat tags sticking out of the ends.

Or Hunts/TCC paper ones in an aluminium tube with rubber seals in the
ends.

Then of course there were wet electrolytics that had to be kept
upright...


Yep, seen (and mostly used) all of those too. But not as pretty...




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Are we talking abiut the same thing? These were rectangular, flattish,
with rounded edges (typically about a cm per side, 2-3mm thick, wires
from two of the bottom corners, horizontal stripes. Polyester ISTR.


They were modern things. Proper condensers (mica) were maybe 1" x 3/4"
x 1/16" and dipped in brown wax, or encased in brown bakelite
(engraved with the value) with large flat tags sticking out of the
ends.

Or Hunts/TCC paper ones in an aluminium tube with rubber seals in the
ends.


That is *OLD* .


Then of course there were wet electrolytics that had to be kept
upright...


Really ? Never new that. That could explain one or two things ...

Presumably one only ever encountered them hard mounted on (pre-war)
wireless set chassis.

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On Oct 17, 11:48 am, "Graham." wrote:
"Matty F" wrote in

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On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.


There's this:


http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html


Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.


There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.


I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/nxl/3660/4_ba...e_page.en.html


I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)


Quoting "young girls" and "virginity" is not racist


You'd better remind me of that one ...


As taught to teenage Air Force engineers:
Bad Boys Root Our Young Girls Before Viginity Gives Way.
I have no idea what that means
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As taught to teenage Air Force engineers:
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I have no idea what that means


Oh, so that's what the "virginity" was all about. I learned 6-7-8-9 as
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PeterC wrote:

FSVO rotsiser

(I think I've just molished a new jbeq)


Opps. ye shed door is ajar. Wrong planet!


Sorry - been on the PPs and BAs.
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:04:10 -0700 (PDT), Andy Dingley
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What was the name for these? Polyethylene foil and a cement dip AFAIR,
but they had a name too?


Mullard c280 Polyesters
Tropical fish
http://www.electrojumble.org/DATA/C280_Series.pdf

Ebay uk item (sold) 160359738926


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On Oct 18, 12:04 pm, geoff wrote:
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On Oct 17, 11:48 am, "Graham." wrote:
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ps.com...
On Oct 17, 7:44 am, PeterC wrote:
Apologies if this was mentioned in the thread a short while ago.


There's this:


http://myfreewares.weebly.com/resist...de-solver.html


Seems versatile: colours to value, value to colours and P(ower)-V-I-R.


There's a portable zip on the page - no setting up needed.


I use this web-based one. No program to download:
http://samengstrom.com/nxl/3660/4_ba...e_page.en.html


I use a mnemonic, too racist to be repeated here ;-)


Quoting "young girls" and "virginity" is not racist


You'd better remind me of that one ...


As taught to teenage Air Force engineers:
Bad Boys Root Our Young Girls Before Viginity Gives Way.
I have no idea what that means


I've led a sheltered life ...

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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:09:15 +0000, Geo wrote:

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:04:10 -0700 (PDT), Andy Dingley
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What was the name for these? Polyethylene foil and a cement dip AFAIR,
but they had a name too?


Mullard c280 Polyesters
Tropical fish
http://www.electrojumble.org/DATA/C280_Series.pdf

Ebay uk item (sold) 160359738926


That's the ones! They *were* polyester after all!



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I used to have a girlfriend who used to nick them and turn them into
eaarrings


You could have left them charged up...

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As taught to teenage Air Force engineers:
Bad Boys Root Our Young Girls Before Viginity Gives Way.
I have no idea what that means


Oh, so that's what the "virginity" was all about. I learned 6-7-8-9 as
"...But Violet Grey's Willing."


We were taught it a little bit different. I'm sure it was 'rape' instead of
'root', and the last four words were 'but virgins go without'.

I don't remember it being 'bad' either. But can't think what it was.



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I used to have a girlfriend who used to nick them and turn them into
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You could have left them charged up...

But I chose to live, instead

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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "John Whitworth"
saying something like:


We were taught it a little bit different. I'm sure it was 'rape' instead of
'root', and the last four words were 'but virgins go without'.

I don't remember it being 'bad' either. But can't think what it was.


Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Virgins Go Without.
Throwing sensitivity to the wind, the other version substituted 'Black'
for 'Bad'. I've no doubt there's a perfectly acceptable but dead boring
version out there.
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On Oct 22, 3:00*pm, Grimly Curmudgeon
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "John Whitworth"
saying something like:



We were taught it a little bit different. I'm sure it was 'rape' instead of
'root', and the last four words were 'but virgins go without'.


I don't remember it being 'bad' either. But can't think what it was.


Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Virgins Go Without.
Throwing sensitivity to the wind, the other version substituted 'Black'
for 'Bad'. I've no doubt there's a perfectly acceptable but dead boring
version out there.


I was taught "willingly" not "without".

'Bad' Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Virgins Go Willingly.

R

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RobertL wrote:
On Oct 22, 3:00 pm, Grimly Curmudgeon
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "John Whitworth"
saying something like:



We were taught it a little bit different. I'm sure it was 'rape' instead of
'root', and the last four words were 'but virgins go without'.
I don't remember it being 'bad' either. But can't think what it was.

Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Virgins Go Without.
Throwing sensitivity to the wind, the other version substituted 'Black'
for 'Bad'. I've no doubt there's a perfectly acceptable but dead boring
version out there.


I was taught "willingly" not "without".

'Bad' Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Virgins Go Willingly.

R

Its the 7 colours of the spectrum, with black for nought, brown for one
(halfway between black and red) grey for eight and white for nine.

I never had any problems, or need for mnemonics.

After a while the coses were second nature for preferred values in the
E20 range anyway.

Had to think a bit for high precision sometimes.

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