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Useful looking stuff from Lidl w/c 28/9/09
SCMS @ £69.99 LED worklight looks rather good at a tenner. Taps & drills set £5.99 Steel rule could also be used as a saw/router guide £3.99 + other stuff. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:20:20 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: Useful looking stuff from Lidl w/c 28/9/09 On mine I also have: Sliding Mitre Saw with Laser Guide. Is there a difference between that and a 'Cut off / chop saw' and if so what please? "Sliding Mitre Saw with Laser Guide 1,700 watt With laser cutting guide for accurate cuts Mitre range: -45° to +45° Max. cross cut length (mm): 205 Max. cutting depth (mm): 65 No load speed (rpm): 4,800 With adjustable clamps Includes blade changing tool and universal saw blade, size Ø (cm): 21 Cable length (m): 2 3 year manufacturer's warranty Price per item £69.99* (Only available while stocks last)" Reading the description of the above it doesn't appear to mention what material(s) it's designed / suitable for, other than the mention of the 'universal saw blade. So does that mean it can cut anything (within reason) or does any fool know that it's just for wood? ie, Say I had several lengths of 50 x 50 x 5mm steel box I wanted to cut ... Cheers, T i m |
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T i m wrote: Sliding Mitre Saw with Laser Guide. Is there a difference between that and a 'Cut off / chop saw' and if so what please? It can be swivelled to do angled cuts - both in the vertical and horizontal plane. And because the whole saw slides can cope with wider wood. I have a similar old B&Q one - but with a 10" blade which will cut 12" wide. I'd not like anything smaller. Of course it depends on what you do. -- *If you ate pasta and anti-pasta, would you still be hungry? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:43:36 +0100, T i m wrote:
Reading the description of the above it doesn't appear to mention what material(s) it's designed / suitable for, other than the mention of the 'universal saw blade. So does that mean it can cut anything (within reason) or does any fool know that it's just for wood? Mine (bought in the US) was like that, too. I've used it to cut PVC pipe as well as wood, and it did happily eat through a nail that I'd missed when cutting some scrap wood for a temp. jig the other week, but the teeth seem too coarse for me to expect it to work with metal - I had horrible visions of it snagging the workpiece and launching it across the 'shop, never mind any clamps... 65mm seems awfully low for cut depth, by the way. That's got to be a typo, surely... cheers Jules |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:20:20 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: Useful looking stuff from Lidl w/c 28/9/09 On mine I also have: Sliding Mitre Saw with Laser Guide. Also, as in, you have "SCMS @ £69.99"[1] as well? :-) [1] Pasted from TMH's OP. -- Rod |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:44:58 -0500, Jules
wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:43:36 +0100, T i m wrote: Reading the description of the above it doesn't appear to mention what material(s) it's designed / suitable for, other than the mention of the 'universal saw blade. So does that mean it can cut anything (within reason) or does any fool know that it's just for wood? Mine (bought in the US) was like that, too. I've used it to cut PVC pipe as well as wood, and it did happily eat through a nail that I'd missed when cutting some scrap wood for a temp. jig the other week, but the teeth seem too coarse for me to expect it to work with metal And there's metal (like the odd nail or bit of flat) and there's METAL (like several cuts through some large sections) of course. - I had horrible visions of it snagging the workpiece and launching it across the 'shop, never mind any clamps... It's amazing how far stuff can be autoflung. Yesterday I used a hand-electric drill mounted polishing mop for the first time on a bit of m/cycle pseudo-ally and you should have seen the polish stick fly! ;-) 65mm seems awfully low for cut depth, by the way. That's got to be a typo, surely... Erm, it looks like it only has a 210 dia blade so allowing for the rad being 110 mm and then the mounting hub etc? Cheers, T i m |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:43:36 +0100, T i m wrote:
Useful looking stuff from Lidl w/c 28/9/09 On mine I also have: Sliding Mitre Saw with Laser Guide. Looks like the variable Lidl offers strikes again, you have two mitre saws available a SMS one and SCMS one? Pretty sure the mitre saw up here (Carlisle) is not a compound one. It's not described as such, just a SMS, and the picture doesn't look to have the required dual axis of movement for a SCMS. Is there a difference between that and a 'Cut off / chop saw' and if so what please? Yes, on a sliding saw the blade/motor unit slides front/back. This enables longer cuts to be made. Without the slide action you have a cutoff/chop saw and limited by the blade size in both depth and lenght of cut. other than the mention of the 'universal saw blade. So does that mean it can cut anything (within reason) or does any fool know that it's just for wood? Soft stuff but not really metals. ie, Say I had several lengths of 50 x 50 x 5mm steel box I wanted to cut ... Angle grinder, hack saw (powered). -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:14:30 +0100, Rod
wrote: T i m wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:20:20 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: Useful looking stuff from Lidl w/c 28/9/09 On mine I also have: Sliding Mitre Saw with Laser Guide. Also, as in, you have "SCMS @ £69.99"[1] as well? :-) [1] Pasted from TMH's OP. Ah, missed that ta. The question still stands of is it the same (role) as a 'cut off saw' though? ;-) T i m |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:44:58 -0500, Jules wrote:
65mm seems awfully low for cut depth, by the way. That's got to be a typo, surely... Only a 210mm dia blade. -- Cheers Dave. |
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T i m wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:20:20 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: Useful looking stuff from Lidl w/c 28/9/09 On mine I also have: Sliding Mitre Saw with Laser Guide. That was SCMS (sliding compound mitre saw). Is there a difference between that and a 'Cut off / chop saw' and if so what please? The cutting width & depth of a mitre (cut off/chop saw) is limited by the blade size as they only cut downwards. A sliding mitre saw has rails so the blade can move down & then forwards/backwards. Assuming both have a 210mm dia blade the CMS would cut 160mm x 60mm wheras a SCMS would cut 200mm x 65mm. SNIP Reading the description of the above it doesn't appear to mention what material(s) it's designed / suitable for, other than the mention of the 'universal saw blade. So does that mean it can cut anything (within reason) or does any fool know that it's just for wood? I'd say just wood, although most TCT blades will handle alluminium OK. ie, Say I had several lengths of 50 x 50 x 5mm steel box I wanted to cut ... You can buy SCMS which will do that http://www.screwfix.com/prods/29848/...Mitre-Saw-230V No idea how long the 'universal blade' would last or what they cost though - get the feeling they may be expensive.. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:01:46 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:43:36 +0100, T i m wrote: Useful looking stuff from Lidl w/c 28/9/09 On mine I also have: Sliding Mitre Saw with Laser Guide. Looks like the variable Lidl offers strikes again, you have two mitre saws available a SMS one and SCMS one? Erm, in case you can see this .. http://preview.tinyurl.com/mnwntu And it looks like one that I can see. Pretty sure the mitre saw up here (Carlisle) is not a compound one. It's not described as such, just a SMS, and the picture doesn't look to have the required dual axis of movement for a SCMS. Ok. Is there a difference between that and a 'Cut off / chop saw' and if so what please? Yes, on a sliding saw the blade/motor unit slides front/back. This enables longer cuts to be made. Without the slide action you have a cutoff/chop saw and limited by the blade size in both depth and lenght of cut. Understood. So that doesn't determine what materials can be cut as such? ie, both types of saws *could* be used to cut anything? other than the mention of the 'universal saw blade. So does that mean it can cut anything (within reason) or does any fool know that it's just for wood? Soft stuff but not really metals. Ok. ie, Say I had several lengths of 50 x 50 x 5mm steel box I wanted to cut ... Angle grinder, hack saw (powered). Ironically I have a steel cutting horizontal band saw but it's somewhat buried in the garage and I thought this trailer rebuild might be a good opportunity to get some new toys. ;-) Joking aside, a mate has the same saw as me but has said he's pretty well replaced it with a chop saw as it's quicker and more flexible. His one needs cutting fluid and the last time I used it round his (seat sub frames on the kit car) we rigged up an old SU electric fuel pump for the purpose. ;-) I might go for one of the cheapo 14" abrasive disk types as as you rightly say I could do the job with a cutting disk in the angle grinder but I think the fixed bench type might just be a bit more accurate (than doing it by hand with said). Also, as long as the angles are reasonably symmetrical the finish doesn't matter as the cuts are going to be welded anyway. Another use for a crop saw would be cutting stock for use in the lathe (currently hacksaw in the vise). Cheers, T i m |
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"T i m" wrote in message ... The question still stands of is it the same (role) as a 'cut off saw' though? ;-) It will do what a cut off saw will do and more. ,-) Assuming the depth stop works, you can knock out lap joints and tenons with ease. |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:18:36 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: ie, Say I had several lengths of 50 x 50 x 5mm steel box I wanted to cut ... You can buy SCMS which will do that http://www.screwfix.com/prods/29848/...Mitre-Saw-230V Yeah, I saw that and similar items but that would be a bit too rich for me right now. I did see a couple of DeWalt jobbies on eBay but they were either 110V (I have a transformer but it would make it all more awkward) or millions of miles away and 'collect only' or still too new / expensive. No idea how long the 'universal blade' would last or what they cost though - get the feeling they may be expensive.. The abrasive disk type disks seem to be pretty cheap (but consumable, £15 / 5). The metal - metal cutting blades seem quite expensive. I guess if I was bothered about the finish of the cut I'd either get the metal blade version or drag the bandsaw out for general cropping of steel stock (angle / bar / box etc). I think one of the 14" bench abrasive crop saws would be more accurate than the gas axe, easier than doing it by hand and more portable (take to tool to the job etc) than the big horizontal band saw I've already got. Ooh, and I like pretty sparks. ;-) T i m |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:26:07 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote: "T i m" wrote in message .. . The question still stands of is it the same (role) as a 'cut off saw' though? ;-) It will do what a cut off saw will do and more. ,-) Assuming the depth stop works, you can knock out lap joints and tenons with ease. Ah, but *generally* more associated with carpentry than metalwork? I basically want to have something that I can use in the garden or workshop (so reasonably portable) for cutting up lengths of metal. It's also going to be fairly infrequently (just when a project comes up) when I am using it I can take my time with a d-i-y level tool. But then you never know what 'other' uses these things will get used for. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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T i m wrote: I basically want to have something that I can use in the garden or workshop (so reasonably portable) for cutting up lengths of metal. An angle grinder in a stand with the correct disc does a decent job of this. Much cheaper than a saw. I got a stand in Lidl some time ago for very little quids. But it only takes a 4" grinder. I'd like one for the 9" one. It's also going to be fairly infrequently (just when a project comes up) when I am using it I can take my time with a d-i-y level tool. You can get circular saws said to cut steel - seen them advertised in car mags. But how special that blade is and whether it can be fitted to other saws I dunno. -- *I used up all my sick days so I called in dead Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"T i m" wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:26:07 +0100, "dennis@home" wrote: "T i m" wrote in message . .. The question still stands of is it the same (role) as a 'cut off saw' though? ;-) It will do what a cut off saw will do and more. ,-) Assuming the depth stop works, you can knock out lap joints and tenons with ease. Ah, but *generally* more associated with carpentry than metalwork? A good tungsten blade will cut metal easy enough, its what happens to the swarf and the heat that kills stuff. If its got plastic guards they will last a few minutes if you are lucky. I wouldn't buy one to cut up lots of metal a few nails and screws in wood wouldn't worry me. At least it looks small and compact. I made the mistake of buying a 12" bladed one from a B&Q clearance and it is huge. I seldom need to cut anything as big as it goes and I think I could have made better use of a smaller one. At least it didn't cost much. |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:22:20 +0100, T i m wrote:
On mine I also have: TMH said "SCMS @ £69.99" You say "also have" so implies you have SCMS *and* SMS available. Erm, in case you can see this .. http://preview.tinyurl.com/mnwntu Looks the same as the Carlisle one, just a SMS. -- Cheers Dave. |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Dave Liquorice wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:43:36 +0100, T i m wrote: Useful looking stuff from Lidl w/c 28/9/09 On mine I also have: Sliding Mitre Saw with Laser Guide. Looks like the variable Lidl offers strikes again, you have two mitre saws available a SMS one and SCMS one? Pretty sure the mitre saw up here (Carlisle) is not a compound one. It's not described as such, just a SMS, and the picture doesn't look to have the required dual axis of movement for a SCMS. Well, the one which will be available at my local branch (Warwick) doesn't *claim* to be a compound mitre saw - and there's no mention of bevel angles. *However*, looking at the picture, it looks very similar to a Rexon compound mitre saw which Screwfix are selling for £170. In particular, it looks as if it just *might* tilt about an axis just below the sliders, in line with the blade slot. Would anyone else care to compare Lidl's picture with http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pa... UO02700DENHGV and see whether you agree? -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:24:12 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:22:20 +0100, T i m wrote: On mine I also have: TMH said "SCMS @ £69.99" You say "also have" so implies you have SCMS *and* SMS available. I said that before I realised that TMH had also (possibly) mentioned the same thing. Erm, in case you can see this .. http://preview.tinyurl.com/mnwntu Looks the same as the Carlisle one, just a SMS. Ok, and not suitable for me in any case it appears. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote: You can get circular saws said to cut steel - seen them advertised in car mags. But how special that blade is and whether it can be fitted to other saws I dunno. Things like http://www.screwfix.com/prods/62933/...Mitre-Saw-110V No idea what they are like...think I've seen them in B&Q as well. Darren |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:50:27 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , T i m wrote: I basically want to have something that I can use in the garden or workshop (so reasonably portable) for cutting up lengths of metal. An angle grinder in a stand with the correct disc does a decent job of this. Much cheaper than a saw. I got a stand in Lidl some time ago for very little quids. But it only takes a 4" grinder. I'd like one for the 9" one. Along those very lines I bought one of these earlier: http://preview.tinyurl.com/m8rtds A big angle grinder in a stand. ;-) I'll have to say it actually feels pretty solid / substantial. What it's like to use I'll let you know soon. ;-) It's also going to be fairly infrequently (just when a project comes up) when I am using it I can take my time with a d-i-y level tool. You can get circular saws said to cut steel - seen them advertised in car mags. But how special that blade is and whether it can be fitted to other saws I dunno. I think it's quite special and therefore quite expensive (compared with alternatives etc). The ones you see in steel stockist's run quite slowly and I have seen used with soluble oil (when it was cutting something substantial). T i m |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
I can't resist :-) Useful looking stuff from Lidl _w/c_ 28/9/09 Why would I buy anything from a water closet? :-) Dave |
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dennis@home wrote:
"T i m" wrote in message ... The question still stands of is it the same (role) as a 'cut off saw' though? ;-) It will do what a cut off saw will do and more. ,-) Assuming the depth stop works, you can knock out lap joints and tenons with ease. Didn't spot a depth stop on that Lidl one - where is it? Might be tempted if it has one, for the uses you mention. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:43:36 +0100, T i m wrote: Useful looking stuff from Lidl w/c 28/9/09 On mine I also have: Sliding Mitre Saw with Laser Guide. Looks like the variable Lidl offers strikes again, you have two mitre saws available a SMS one and SCMS one? Pretty sure the mitre saw up here (Carlisle) is not a compound one. It's not described as such, just a SMS, and the picture doesn't look to have the required dual axis of movement for a SCMS. My mistake (or my bad if I were cool). AFAICS its a SMS. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Dave wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote: I can't resist :-) Useful looking stuff from Lidl _w/c_ 28/9/09 Why would I buy anything from a water closet? :-) Because its at a rock 'bottom' price? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Dave wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: I can't resist :-) Useful looking stuff from Lidl _w/c_ 28/9/09 Why would I buy anything from a water closet? :-) Because its at a rock 'bottom' price? RAOTFL Good one Dave. Dave |
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Dave Liquorice wrote :
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:44:58 -0500, Jules wrote: 65mm seems awfully low for cut depth, by the way. That's got to be a typo, surely... Only a 210mm dia blade. Most do seem to have a 210mm blade. What about this one at Argos, it seems to offer a much longer width of cut? http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...+MITRE+SAW.htm Same price as Lidl. I think I could do with one for this weekends operation, so I can't wait for Mr Lidl. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:05:06 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:44:58 -0500, Jules wrote: 65mm seems awfully low for cut depth, by the way. That's got to be a typo, surely... Only a 210mm dia blade. Aha, that's probably most of the reason - my cheapy one's a 10" blade which is what, 254mm. It'll handle a 4" (102mm) cut though, just - so there's only about 54mm of dead space where the spindle is, rather than the whopping 80mm that this saw seems to have... cheers Jules |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Harry Bloomfield wrote: What about this one at Argos, it seems to offer a much longer width of cut? http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...+MITRE+SAW.htm Same price as Lidl. I think I could do with one for this weekends operation, so I can't wait for Mr Lidl. Looks like a better spec too, in that it's *definitely* a compound mitre and not just a mitre. OK, it's 1500 watts instead of 1700 - but that should be adequate. If you want one for the weekend, use the on-line stock checker, and reserve one if it's in stock. Only one Argos branch anywhere near me has any stock - and they've only got one. I've reserved it, but I'm a bit worried that it'll be one which all the world and his dog have previously bought, and returned. -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:40:08 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
65mm seems awfully low for cut depth, by the way. That's got to be a typo, surely... Only a 210mm dia blade. Most do seem to have a 210mm blade. What about this one at Argos, it seems to offer a much longer width of cut? width != depth That Argos one still only has a maximum 65mm depth of cut. It does have a marginally longer slide (width of cut) though 310 v 205mm. Looking at the two pictures the Lidl jobbie has a boss that is where one would expect the 2nd axis of rotation to be for a CMS, so maybe it is SCMS? I think it's this one: http://www.einhell.com/englisch/engl...onaerewerkzeug e&lang=en Which does have 2nd pivot but only 45 deg in one direction not both. I suspect that makes it even more mind mangling to use for compound mitres. -- Cheers Dave. |
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It happens that Roger Mills formulated :
Looks like a better spec too, in that it's *definitely* a compound mitre and not just a mitre. OK, it's 1500 watts instead of 1700 - but that should be adequate. It doesn't actually say compound mitre, are you sure? They do have one described as a compound mitre at £39.99, but its length of cut is only 120mm. The job I have in mind for it needs the full 300mm. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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Dave Liquorice explained :
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:40:08 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote: 65mm seems awfully low for cut depth, by the way. That's got to be a typo, surely... Only a 210mm dia blade. Most do seem to have a 210mm blade. What about this one at Argos, it seems to offer a much longer width of cut? width != depth That Argos one still only has a maximum 65mm depth of cut. It does have a marginally longer slide (width of cut) though 310 v 205mm. Looking at the two pictures the Lidl jobbie has a boss that is where one would expect the 2nd axis of rotation to be for a CMS, so maybe it is SCMS? I think it's this one: http://www.einhell.com/englisch/engl...onaerewerkzeug e&lang=en Which does have 2nd pivot but only 45 deg in one direction not both. I suspect that makes it even more mind mangling to use for compound mitres. The link didn't work, but it seems to be a Sliding Mitre Saw BT-SM 2050 The product manuals are at - http://www.isc-gmbh.info/index.php?P...n=chang eport -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Harry Bloomfield wrote: It happens that Roger Mills formulated : Looks like a better spec too, in that it's *definitely* a compound mitre and not just a mitre. OK, it's 1500 watts instead of 1700 - but that should be adequate. It doesn't actually say compound mitre, are you sure? Well, if my understanding of "compound" in this context is correct, yes. You can cut compound bevels - which are at an angle to the axes of the wood in two different planes. Firstly, you can rotate the cutting assembly through +/- 45 degrees in plan view - which *all* mitre saws can do. *Then* you can tilt the blade about a horizontal axis. [The text calls one of these "miter" (sic) and the other "bevel" - and defines the max cutting capacity for various combinations of these]. -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:44:22 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:
You can cut compound bevels - which are at an angle to the axes of the wood in two different planes. Firstly, you can rotate the cutting assembly through +/- 45 degrees in plan view - which *all* mitre saws can do. *Then* you can tilt the blade about a horizontal axis. [The text calls one of these "miter" (sic) and the other "bevel" - and defines the max cutting capacity for various combinations of these]. That's one downside with mine - I can only tilt the blade between 0 and +45 degrees, not -45 to +45 degrees (it'll still do +/-45 in 'plan' view, of course). Every once in a while it's a bit of a minor inconvenience (I've got enough bench to handle about 8' either side of the saw, but of course it doesn't mean it's not bench that's often cluttered with crap on one side :-) Maybe they're always like that though - but if not it's a little niggle I'd try to avoid next time I go to purchase one. cheers Jules |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Jules wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:44:22 +0100, Roger Mills wrote: You can cut compound bevels - which are at an angle to the axes of the wood in two different planes. Firstly, you can rotate the cutting assembly through +/- 45 degrees in plan view - which *all* mitre saws can do. *Then* you can tilt the blade about a horizontal axis. [The text calls one of these "miter" (sic) and the other "bevel" - and defines the max cutting capacity for various combinations of these]. That's one downside with mine - I can only tilt the blade between 0 and +45 degrees, not -45 to +45 degrees (it'll still do +/-45 in 'plan' view, of course). Every once in a while it's a bit of a minor inconvenience (I've got enough bench to handle about 8' either side of the saw, but of course it doesn't mean it's not bench that's often cluttered with crap on one side :-) Maybe they're always like that though - but if not it's a little niggle I'd try to avoid next time I go to purchase one. cheers Jules Dunno - haven't studied them in great detail. Presumably the blade tilts in a way which raises the motor? The thought occurred to me that if the motor tilted downwards, it might foul on the workpiece. As you say, you can achieve the desired effect by turning the workpiece round, but that might not always be convenient. Anyone know whether there are any saws out there which *do* tilt both ways? Having said all that, I can't think of too many occasions when I'd want both tilt and turn at the same time. Nevertheless, the tilt function on its own would be needed for cutting mitres on skirting board etc. - and it would be useful if the saw could be tilted both ways. -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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"Roger Mills" wrote in message ... Having said all that, I can't think of too many occasions when I'd want both tilt and turn at the same time. Nevertheless, the tilt function on its own would be needed for cutting mitres on skirting board etc. - and it would be useful if the saw could be tilted both ways. Don't you just turn the board over? |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
dennis@home wrote: "Roger Mills" wrote in message ... Having said all that, I can't think of too many occasions when I'd want both tilt and turn at the same time. Nevertheless, the tilt function on its own would be needed for cutting mitres on skirting board etc. - and it would be useful if the saw could be tilted both ways. Don't you just turn the board over? Could do - but you then have to measure where the mitre needs to come to on the opposite face of the material. Slightly inconvenient, but do-able. -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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"Roger Mills" wrote in message ... Don't you just turn the board over? Could do - but you then have to measure where the mitre needs to come to on the opposite face of the material. Slightly inconvenient, but do-able. I usually use a stop at the other end, then you can cut either side and end up correct. |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:09:09 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:
Dunno - haven't studied them in great detail. Presumably the blade tilts in a way which raises the motor? The thought occurred to me that if the motor tilted downwards, it might foul on the workpiece. Yes, it would for longer pieces - I usually find I'm doing angled cuts right at the end of a piece, though (hence wasting as little material as possible), so I'm not sure that the motor would foul there (I'll have to take a look later - maybe there still wouldn't be much scope for tilt without fouling the saw bed) Having said all that, I can't think of too many occasions when I'd want both tilt and turn at the same time. No, I haven't found many, and of course for tilts in a single direction it's much more convenient to just pivot the saw around the vertical axis. Nevertheless, the tilt function on its own would be needed for cutting mitres on skirting board etc. - and it would be useful if the saw could be tilted both ways. Even something restricted in one direction, like -30 .. +45 or whatnot, would be more useful than 0 .. +45. Some of the more expensive ones might do that, actually, because ISTR there are ones around where the motor isn't on the saw arm, and presumably there's a belt or shaft drive up to the blade. cheers Jules |
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Roger Mills was thinking very hard :
In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Harry Bloomfield wrote: It happens that Roger Mills formulated : Looks like a better spec too, in that it's *definitely* a compound mitre and not just a mitre. OK, it's 1500 watts instead of 1700 - but that should be adequate. It doesn't actually say compound mitre, are you sure? Well, if my understanding of "compound" in this context is correct, yes. You can cut compound bevels - which are at an angle to the axes of the wood in two different planes. Firstly, you can rotate the cutting assembly through +/- 45 degrees in plan view - which *all* mitre saws can do. *Then* you can tilt the blade about a horizontal axis. [The text calls one of these "miter" (sic) and the other "bevel" - and defines the max cutting capacity for various combinations of these]. I collected one this afternoon, after a bit of collection fiasco. It is definitely a compound mitre, you can use either or both angles in the same cut. The bevel only does 0 to 45 to the left. Not actually tried it yet, but seems well built - no detectable play or give at all and very rigid. Surprisingly, much more rigid than my cheapo mitre chop saw - even at full out extension. The laser guide is also separately switched on and off to the blade motor. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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