I've been asked by my holiday host in France to have a look at one of
the generic 850watt 2 stroke generators that appears to have two faults
1 The engine does not run and
2 when it last did the voltage regulation seemed all to pot and was
blowing light bulbs.

Bearing in mind I am living under their roof for two weeks I don't want
to start off by saying "why did you buy that pile of cr4p anyway?"
and also I need to try and retain my personal reputation of being able
to mend nearly anything.

I can possibly get the engine running again but I wondered about the
regulation. yes it could be a throttle/governor problem but I wondered
if anyone have any info on the electrical regulation method. Is it a
traditional 'adjust the current in the field coil' as in a car
alternator or have they come up with a cheaper and nastier way of doing
this?

Any help /guidance on typical faults that would help me spend less of my
holiday in the guts of the genny would be most welcome.

TIA

Bob

"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
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I've been asked by my holiday host in France to have a look at one of the
generic 850watt 2 stroke generators that appears to have two faults
1 The engine does not run and
2 when it last did the voltage regulation seemed all to pot and was
blowing light bulbs.

Bearing in mind I am living under their roof for two weeks I don't want to
start off by saying "why did you buy that pile of cr4p anyway?"
and also I need to try and retain my personal reputation of being able to
mend nearly anything.

I can possibly get the engine running again but I wondered about the
regulation. yes it could be a throttle/governor problem but I wondered if
anyone have any info on the electrical regulation method. Is it a
traditional 'adjust the current in the field coil' as in a car alternator
or have they come up with a cheaper and nastier way of doing this?

Any help /guidance on typical faults that would help me spend less of my
holiday in the guts of the genny would be most welcome.

1 When did it run last?
2 How new is the fuel mix?
3 Who made the engine?
4 Is there a fixed point for the throttle to regulate the output?

R wrote:
"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
I've been asked by my holiday host in France to have a look at one of the
generic 850watt 2 stroke generators that appears to have two faults
1 The engine does not run and
2 when it last did the voltage regulation seemed all to pot and was
blowing light bulbs.

Bearing in mind I am living under their roof for two weeks I don't want to
start off by saying "why did you buy that pile of cr4p anyway?"
and also I need to try and retain my personal reputation of being able to
mend nearly anything.

I can possibly get the engine running again but I wondered about the
regulation. yes it could be a throttle/governor problem but I wondered if
anyone have any info on the electrical regulation method. Is it a
traditional 'adjust the current in the field coil' as in a car alternator
or have they come up with a cheaper and nastier way of doing this?

Any help /guidance on typical faults that would help me spend less of my
holiday in the guts of the genny would be most welcome.

1 When did it run last?
2 How new is the fuel mix?
3 Who made the engine?
4 Is there a fixed point for the throttle to regulate the output?



1.I believe it has run recently
2. dont know but I use some fresh when I get there
3. Generic chinese genny seems to be for same with different badges on
in various parts of the world. I think it is direct drive onto the genny.
4. don't know till I get there

Thanks for the reply I just need to bone up on the possible fault before
getting there.

Bob

Bob Minchin formulated on Tuesday :
R wrote:
"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
...
I've been asked by my holiday host in France to have a look at one of the
generic 850watt 2 stroke generators that appears to have two faults
1 The engine does not run and
2 when it last did the voltage regulation seemed all to pot and was
blowing light bulbs.

Bearing in mind I am living under their roof for two weeks I don't want to
start off by saying "why did you buy that pile of cr4p anyway?"
and also I need to try and retain my personal reputation of being able to
mend nearly anything.

I can possibly get the engine running again but I wondered about the
regulation. yes it could be a throttle/governor problem but I wondered if
anyone have any info on the electrical regulation method. Is it a
traditional 'adjust the current in the field coil' as in a car alternator
or have they come up with a cheaper and nastier way of doing this?

Any help /guidance on typical faults that would help me spend less of my
holiday in the guts of the genny would be most welcome.

1 When did it run last?
2 How new is the fuel mix?
3 Who made the engine?
4 Is there a fixed point for the throttle to regulate the output?



1.I believe it has run recently
2. dont know but I use some fresh when I get there
3. Generic chinese genny seems to be for same with different badges on in
various parts of the world. I think it is direct drive onto the genny.
4. don't know till I get there

Thanks for the reply I just need to bone up on the possible fault before
getting there.

Bob

2T's tend to choke up their exhaust systems rather easily - maybe
another thing to check for.

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Bob Minchin wrote:

I can possibly get the engine running again but I wondered about the
regulation. yes it could be a throttle/governor problem but I wondered
if anyone have any info on the electrical regulation method. Is it a
traditional 'adjust the current in the field coil' as in a car
alternator or have they come up with a cheaper and nastier way of doing
this?

Any help /guidance on typical faults that would help me spend less of my
holiday in the guts of the genny would be most welcome.

Well... I'd probably first attempt to start it by replacing or cleaning
and re-gapping the spark plug. Then I'd (probably) blow some butane into
the cylinder replace the plug and see if it started this time.
I suspect the problem with speed regulation will either (a) mysteriously
go away or (b) be cured by cleaning the carburettor. Or (c) it's fooked.

Since they cost about £40 is there any point in ****ing about?

"Steve Firth" wrote:
Since they cost about £40 is there any point in ****ing about?

It must be a few years since you bought one. You might get a used one on
EBay for that. If you know someone who is selling a new two-stroke 600/700w
generator for £40 please let us know as I would like one myself at that
price.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
DIY wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote:
Since they cost about £40 is there any point in ****ing about?

It must be a few years since you bought one. You might get a used one
on EBay for that. If you know someone who is selling a new two-stroke
600/700w generator for £40 please let us know as I would like one
myself at that price.


Makro often do them for about that price. Dunno whether they've got any at
the moment - I haven't go an up-to-date Makro Mail.
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"Roger Mills" wrote:
Makro often do them for about that price. Dunno whether they've got any at
the moment - I haven't go an up-to-date Makro Mail.

That would be a 180 mile round trip for me!

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
DIY wrote:

"Roger Mills" wrote:
Makro often do them for about that price. Dunno whether they've got
any at the moment - I haven't got an up-to-date Makro Mail.

That would be a 180 mile round trip for me!

Yes, that's why I'm not up-to-date with their offers - they closed down my
nearest branch at Coventry.
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Roger
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On 1 Sep, 11:34, Bob Minchin wrote:

2 when it last did the voltage regulation seemed all to pot and was
blowing light bulbs.

Add more lighbulbs. Regulation on these things is minimal, governor
control is worse. Ballasting a larger load (150W linear halogens are
less fragile than GLS) can help. Don't switch nearly everything off
together either (you'll over-voltage the last bulb), do it either one-
by-one or absolutely everything at once and ignore the voltage spike.

Also check that the governor is working. It's a lightweight spring,
easily broken and often not noticed until you start worrying about
voltage.

One the grottiest of these (the vertical shaft recycled lawnmowers)
there simply isn't a governor, merely a throttle. They're beyond hope.

Andy Dingley wrote:
On 1 Sep, 11:34, Bob Minchin wrote:

2 when it last did the voltage regulation seemed all to pot and was
blowing light bulbs.

Add more lighbulbs. Regulation on these things is minimal, governor
control is worse. Ballasting a larger load (150W linear halogens are
less fragile than GLS) can help. Don't switch nearly everything off
together either (you'll over-voltage the last bulb), do it either one-
by-one or absolutely everything at once and ignore the voltage spike.

Also check that the governor is working. It's a lightweight spring,
easily broken and often not noticed until you start worrying about
voltage.

One the grottiest of these (the vertical shaft recycled lawnmowers)
there simply isn't a governor, merely a throttle. They're beyond hope.
Thanks Andy,

Useful tips!

Bob