...and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
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..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Join the club !

john wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
news
..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Join the club !

Yep - half a tea-chest of 100w bulbs arriving tomorrow from Toolstation.

"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
john wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
news
..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Join the club !

Yep - half a tea-chest of 100w bulbs arriving tomorrow from Toolstation.

I've got a hundred 100W bulbs, good quality ones. I think I might as well
get a few 60W ones as well. I can't see why we are not allowed to select the
quality of light in our homes on environmental grounds when people are still
allowed to chose whether to fly, drive, or go by rail.

Bill

In article , Steve Walker
writes
john wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
news
..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Join the club !

Yep - half a tea-chest of 100w bulbs arriving tomorrow from Toolstation.

Has anyone found a source at a better price than Toolstation's 33p for
40/60W pearl BC/ES or 45p for 25W opal BC candles?
--
fred
BBC3, ITV2/3/4, channels going to the DOGs

fred wrote:
In article , Steve Walker
writes
john wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
news ..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Join the club !

Yep - half a tea-chest of 100w bulbs arriving tomorrow from Toolstation.

Has anyone found a source at a better price than Toolstation's 33p for
40/60W pearl BC/ES or 45p for 25W opal BC candles?

I didn't think the lower wattage bulbs were being banned yet.........?!

In article , Steve Walker
writes
fred wrote:
In article , Steve Walker
writes

Yep - half a tea-chest of 100w bulbs arriving tomorrow from Toolstation.

Has anyone found a source at a better price than Toolstation's 33p for
40/60W pearl BC/ES or 45p for 25W opal BC candles?

I didn't think the lower wattage bulbs were being banned yet.........?!

Clear ones are ok for a while yet but pearl/opals are out, even in the
lower wattages. It has sort of crept up on me too.

Who uses clears?
--
fred
BBC3, ITV2/3/4, channels going to the DOGs

In message , fred writes
In article , Steve Walker
writes
john wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
news ..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Join the club !

Yep - half a tea-chest of 100w bulbs arriving tomorrow from Toolstation.

Has anyone found a source at a better price than Toolstation's 33p for
40/60W pearl BC/ES or 45p for 25W opal BC candles?

22p each for 100 off

--
geoff

In article , geoff
writes
In message , fred writes
In article , Steve Walker
writes
john wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
news ..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Join the club !

Yep - half a tea-chest of 100w bulbs arriving tomorrow from Toolstation.

Has anyone found a source at a better price than Toolstation's 33p for
40/60W pearl BC/ES or 45p for 25W opal BC candles?

22p each for 100 off

That'd certainly do the job, 100 is the sort of quantity I'm looking
for. Care to share the source?
--
fred
BBC3, ITV2/3/4, channels going to the DOGs

All members of congress that voted for that law should be fined for each
one they find in their house!


--
Dymphna
Message origin: www.TRAVEL.com

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:43:50 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Yeah - good thinking. Why should we worry about the planet. I'm getting on
a bit so the problems we're causing probably won't affect me and why should
we care about future generations - we'll all be dead by then.
--
Regards,

Hugh Jampton

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Hugh Jampton
saying something like:

Yeah - good thinking. Why should we worry about the planet. I'm getting on
a bit so the problems we're causing probably won't affect me and why should
we care about future generations - we'll all be dead by then.

Frankly, m'dear, I just don't give a damn.

I gave a **** for years, when all around me others were guzzling it up
like it was going out of fashion.
**** them all. The major problem - the ONLY problem is six+ billion of
us ****ers. Six billion greedy selfish thoughtless *******s.
**** the lot of them.

On Sep 1, 7:45 am, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

**** them all. The major problem - the ONLY problem is six+ billion of
us ****ers. Six billion greedy selfish thoughtless *******s.
**** the lot of them.

But that would produce even more people!

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:01:34 -0700 (PDT), Matty F wrote:

On Sep 1, 7:45 am, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

**** them all. The major problem - the ONLY problem is six+ billion of
us ****ers. Six billion greedy selfish thoughtless *******s.
**** the lot of them.

But that would produce even more people!

50% success rate.
--
Peter.
The head of a pin will hold more angels if
it's been flattened with an angel-grinder.

On 31 Aug, 20:45, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

Yeah - good thinking. Why should we worry about the planet. I'm getting on
a bit so the problems we're causing probably won't affect me and why should
we care about future generations - we'll all be dead by then.

Frankly, m'dear, I just don't give a damn.

I gave a **** for years, when all around me others were guzzling it up
like it was going out of fashion.
**** them all. The major problem - the ONLY problem is six+ billion of
us ****ers. Six billion greedy selfish thoughtless *******s.
**** the lot of them.

"You had no alternative, Your Eminence. We must work in the world. The
world is thus."
" No, Señor Hontar. Thus have we made the world... thus have I made
it."

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "
saying something like:

Frankly, m'dear, I just don't give a damn.

I gave a **** for years, when all around me others were guzzling it up
like it was going out of fashion.
**** them all. The major problem - the ONLY problem is six+ billion of
us ****ers. Six billion greedy selfish thoughtless *******s.
**** the lot of them.

"You had no alternative, Your Eminence. We must work in the world. The
world is thus."
" No, Señor Hontar. Thus have we made the world... thus have I made
it."

Ah, The Mission, thought it rang a bell. Haven't seen that for years.

"Hugh Jampton" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:43:50 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Yeah - good thinking. Why should we worry about the planet.

Why should we be so arrogant as to think we can make a difference to what
the planet does?

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

Colin Bignell

In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

How many ?

I got 100 x 100W and 100 x 60W a few months ago

--
geoff

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember geoff saying
something like:

How many ?

I got 100 x 100W and 100 x 60W a few months ago

I bow before your eco-terrorism, for I can barely muster 100.

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember geoff saying
something like:

How many ?

I got 100 x 100W and 100 x 60W a few months ago

I bow before your eco-terrorism, for I can barely muster 100.

It's all very well but the way energy prices are going, you'll need a second
job to run the bloody things.

In article , brass monkey
writes

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
.. .
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember geoff saying
something like:

How many ?

I got 100 x 100W and 100 x 60W a few months ago

I bow before your eco-terrorism, for I can barely muster 100.

It's all very well but the way energy prices are going, you'll need a second
job to run the bloody things.


Depends where you use them I suppose. I use them where lights are on for
short periods but I need the light to come on instantaneously and not
ramp up over 5mins, walk in cupboards, cellar stairs or short term use
overhead lights. The alternative it to have energy savers burning the
whole time which doesn't save energy after all.

Or for decorative use where you'd need to change the fitting to make it
look ok with an energy saver.
--
fred
BBC3, ITV2/3/4, channels going to the DOGs

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:43:50 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Are they banning halogen GLSes too? Slightly more energy efficient, same
size and other characteristics generally. What's the problem?

--
John Stumbles

I am neither for nor against apathy

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:30:38 +0000, John Stumbles wrote:

What's the problem?

I can't think of a good explanation that doesn't involve swearing a lot...

In article ,
John Stumbles writes:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:43:50 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Are they banning halogen GLSes too?

I suspect GLS halogens are banned with GLS lamps.

Non-GLS halogens can remain, as long as they're Energy class C
(or higher). The only ones I know of today which meet this are
GE's 225W and 375W K9's which replace 300W and 500W K9's and have
an internal infra-red coating to reflect the heat back onto the
filament. (I use a 225W to light my back garden, although it's
rather rarely used in practice.)

GE produce a whole range of these IR reflecting halogens in the
US. Some time back, I asked them why they didn't in the UK, and
they said there was no market for them here -- people who care
about energy efficiency generally don't buy halogens at all.
I guess there might be a change in this stance in the light of
the new regulations. This technology is only suitable for
certain shaped halogen capsules though (linear tubes probably
being the best).

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 1 Sep, 10:10, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article ,
* * * * John Stumbles writes:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:43:50 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Are they banning halogen GLSes too?

I suspect GLS halogens are banned with GLS lamps.


GLS halogen?

There is the recently introduced GLS shaped Osram halogens and things
like Philips Halogena and GE BTT or whatever, never heard of them
referred to as GLS though.

Though its uncertain whats going to happen next in wacky world of EU
idiocrats haven`t seen any thing specifically heading for line voltage
halogen, though an immediate ban on GU10 wouldn`t make many weep.


Non-GLS halogens can remain, as long as they're Energy class C
(or higher). The only ones I know of today which meet this are
GE's 225W and 375W K9's which replace 300W and 500W K9's

pedant linear halogens are Kseries lamps but the number changes with
the wattage and length, think 500W is actually K1 /pedant

and have
an internal infra-red coating to reflect the heat back onto the
filament. (I use a 225W to light my back garden, although it's
rather rarely used in practice.

Still lacking any reference to K series linear halogens facing a timed
axe?

GE produce a whole range of these IR reflecting halogens in the
US. Some time back, I asked them why they didn't in the UK, and
they said there was no market for them here -- people who care
about energy efficiency generally don't buy halogens at all.

That really is total nonsense Andrew, what are you suggesting people
who care about energy efficiency and Light Quality have been buying?

Believe asked you before to be ignored, would hope you will actually
qualify your comments this time.

Adam

P.S as a usenet user for bit more than 10 years sad to see it
basically turn into a few web chatrooms, the hierarchy used to mean
that asking a specialist question could be directed to a specialist
group where specialists would answer, now most frequent header in
here is O.T. just an observation


I guess there might be a change in this stance in the light of
the new regulations. This technology is only suitable for
certain shaped halogen capsules though (linear tubes probably
being the best).

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember AA saying
something like:

P.S as a usenet user for bit more than 10 years sad to see it
basically turn into a few web chatrooms, the hierarchy used to mean
that asking a specialist question could be directed to a specialist
group where specialists would answer, now most frequent header in
here is O.T. just an observation

Oh dear, dreadfully sorry about slipping standards.

Guess its evolution...

Adam

Top posted fom google groups for added inconvenience ;-)


On 1 Sep, 12:33, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember AA saying
something like:

P.S as a usenet user for bit more than 10 years sad to see it
basically turn into a few web chatrooms, the hierarchy used to mean
that asking a specialist question could be directed to a specialist
group where specialists would answer, now most frequent header in
here *is O.T. * *just an observation

Oh dear, dreadfully sorry about slipping standards.

In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember AA saying
something like:

P.S as a usenet user for bit more than 10 years sad to see it
basically turn into a few web chatrooms, the hierarchy used to mean
that asking a specialist question could be directed to a specialist
group where specialists would answer, now most frequent header in
here is O.T. just an observation

Oh dear, dreadfully sorry about slipping standards.

I bet you're really not sorry at all

In fact I would guess from the tone of your reply that you are just
humouring him

So ... anyone got any good jokes regarding California and BBQs ?

--
geoff

In article ,
AA writes:
On 1 Sep, 10:10, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article ,
* * * * John Stumbles writes:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:43:50 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Are they banning halogen GLSes too?

I suspect GLS halogens are banned with GLS lamps.
GLS halogen?
There is the recently introduced GLS shaped Osram halogens and things
like Philips Halogena and GE BTT or whatever, never heard of them
referred to as GLS though.

I don't know, but I observe that they've introduced them at
power ratings just under where each level of GLS ban takes place.
I'm guessing this is so they can take each off the market when
required, and the 100W ones seem to have gone. Highest I can now see
is 70W, which corresponds to about the 950lm limit in the EU regs
from 1 Sep 2009 (equivalent to a 75W GLS, although we don't use
these much in the UK).

The EU rules don't refer to GLS lamps at all. They refer to
"non-directional household lamps", but then go on to exclude
some lamp bases from scope until later. As far as I can see in
the regs, these halogen shaped GLS are not handled any differently
from clear GLS, but I'd need to sit down and read them very
carefully to be sure.

One interesting thing I did notice is that lamps designed for
= 60V are exempt until Stage 6: 1 Sep 2016, and I've certainly
seen 12V and 25V GLS lamps in some strange places. A quick
search reveals 50V 100W GLS are available.

Though its uncertain whats going to happen next in wacky world of EU
idiocrats haven`t seen any thing specifically heading for line voltage
halogen, though an immediate ban on GU10 wouldn`t make many weep.

G9 and R7 (halogen) caps have to be energy efficient from Stage 6:
1 Sep 2016, which is the end of the current commonly bought linear
halogens (although conforming replacements exist for 300W and 500W
as below). I've never used or investigated G9's much - always seemed
to me to be yet another way to produce cheap crap luminaires to
sucker in the punters (in the same way as GU10's).

GU10 has not yet been announced yet as regs for reflector lamps
are still being thrashed out, but it seems unlikely to me that
those which are amongst the least efficient lighting schemes (although
not entirely down to the lamps themselves) will survive longer.

Non-GLS halogens can remain, as long as they're Energy class C
(or higher). The only ones I know of today which meet this are
GE's 225W and 375W K9's which replace 300W and 500W K9's
pedant linear halogens are Kseries lamps but the number changes with
the wattage and length, think 500W is actually K1 /pedant

OK, I grabbed the K9 off a GE 225W package, which is what I had
to hand.

and have
an internal infra-red coating to reflect the heat back onto the
filament. (I use a 225W to light my back garden, although it's
rather rarely used in practice.
Still lacking any reference to K series linear halogens facing a timed
axe?

They aren't axed per se. All halogens eventually have to meet
Energy class C, (K series are referred to as R7 caps in the EU regs)
and the only ones available in the UK which I know of which currently
do are the two I mentioned above (plus some of the GLS shaped ones).
Others may appear in due course.

GE produce a whole range of these IR reflecting halogens in the
US. Some time back, I asked them why they didn't in the UK, and
they said there was no market for them here -- people who care
about energy efficiency generally don't buy halogens at all.
That really is total nonsense Andrew, what are you suggesting people

Not my suggestion - read what I wrote.

who care about energy efficiency and Light Quality have been buying?
Believe asked you before to be ignored, would hope you will actually
qualify your comments this time.

EH?
I suspect GE know their market better than you do.
Although I might like to buy an IR reflecting K7, that doesn't
mean there's enough market to make it worth their while.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 1 Sep, 16:41, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article ,
* * * * AA writes:



On 1 Sep, 10:10, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article ,
* * * * John Stumbles writes:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:43:50 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

..and that's me got my last batch of incandescents in.
Should be enough for years.

Are they banning halogen GLSes too?

I suspect GLS halogens are banned with GLS lamps.
GLS halogen?
There is the recently introduced GLS shaped Osram halogens and things
like Philips Halogena and GE BTT or whatever, never heard of them
referred to as GLS though.

I don't know, but I observe that they've introduced them at
power ratings just under where each level of GLS ban takes place.
I'm guessing this is so they can take each off the market when
required, and the 100W ones seem to have gone. Highest I can now see
is 70W, which corresponds to about the 950lm limit in the EU regs
from 1 Sep 2009 (equivalent to a 75W GLS, although we don't use
these much in the UK).

Haologena and others are in distinctly no GLS lamp shapes which does
make me wonder below


The EU rules don't refer to GLS lamps at all. They refer to
"non-directional household lamps", but then go on to exclude
some lamp bases from scope until later. As far as I can see in
the regs, these halogen shaped GLS are not handled any differently
from clear GLS, but I'd need to sit down and read them very
carefully to be sure.

Wondering if some fudging going on with B.C./ E27 based halogens as
special purpose rather than general service lamps.

Of course new builds will have their 87p incl VAT Part L compliant
pendant hanging forlornly in middle of room.

Wonder if Medway Handyman has changed any of these over to more
convenient fitiings for customers


One interesting thing I did notice is that lamps designed for
= 60V are exempt until Stage 6: 1 Sep 2016, and I've certainly
seen 12V and 25V GLS lamps in some strange places. A quick
search reveals 50V 100W GLS are available.

These not for things like marine and aircraft use though?

Though its uncertain whats going to happen next in wacky world of EU
idiocrats haven`t seen any thing specifically heading for line voltage
halogen, though an immediate ban on GU10 wouldn`t make many weep.

G9 and R7 (halogen) caps have to be energy efficient from Stage 6:
1 Sep 2016,

Struck me after my ill tempered reply , apology below.

which is the end of the current commonly bought linear
halogens (although conforming replacements exist for 300W and 500W
as below).

As you mention still unobtanium in the U.K market and really dont
fancy the CFL retrofits though might give one a spin for
investigation.

I've never used or investigated G9's much - always seemed
to me to be yet another way to produce cheap crap luminaires to
sucker in the punters (in the same way as GU10's).

G9`s are GU10s evil nephew , again trying to push out nice, reasonably
efficient, LV halogen with something that dosen`t need a trafo but
dosent so much light the space as lightly pee over it, are a bit on
the yellow side.

GU10 has not yet been announced yet as regs for reflector lamps
are still being thrashed out, but it seems unlikely to me that
those which are amongst the least efficient lighting schemes (although
not entirely down to the lamps themselves) will survive longer.

What this all ,may to be with the lighting industry selling people
this years wonder light product to replace last years steam powered
stuff.
Think some lighting makers think their like the record industry when
CDs came in , sell them all the same stuff over again, or in this case
couple of generations of retrofits.


Non-GLS halogens can remain, as long as they're Energy class C
(or higher). The only ones I know of today which meet this are
GE's 225W and 375W K9's which replace 300W and 500W K9's
pedant linear halogens are Kseries lamps but the number changes with
the wattage and length, think 500W is actually K1 /pedant

OK, I grabbed the K9 off a GE 225W package, which is what I had
to hand.

and have
an internal infra-red coating to reflect the heat back onto the
filament. (I use a 225W to light my back garden, although it's
rather rarely used in practice.
Still lacking any reference to K series linear halogens facing a timed
axe?

They aren't axed per se. All halogens eventually have to meet
Energy class C, (K series are referred to as R7 caps in the EU regs)
and the only ones available in the UK which I know of which currently
do are the two I mentioned above (plus some of the GLS shaped ones).
Others may appear in due course.

GE produce a whole range of these IR reflecting halogens in the
US. Some time back, I asked them why they didn't in the UK, and
they said there was no market for them here -- people who care
about energy efficiency generally don't buy halogens at all.
That really is total nonsense Andrew, what are you suggesting people

Not my suggestion - read what I wrote.

Really shouldn`t complete good natured posts interspersed with not
good natured phone calls.


who care about energy efficiency and Light Quality have been buying?
Believe asked you before to be ignored, would hope you will actually
qualify your comments this time.

EH?

Sorry Andrew,my bad.
its the rabid all filament lamps are bad type thing that mistakenly
associated you with there, doh!

I suspect GE know their market better than you do.
Although I might like to buy an IR reflecting K7, that doesn't
mean there's enough market to make it worth their while.

Domestic customers choke at paying more than 2 quid for any lamp,
apart from with PIR use, most commercial users have moved to MH or
Sodium so not a big market for them there.
Have to use a lot of LEDs to replace a 400W MH, so not always a cost
effective solution yet in another 6 or 7 years the market should look
quite a lot different though.

Cheers
Adam

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]