I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.

To return to lava lamps: Are all such lamps effectively living on
borrowed time after Tuesday, so that when no more bulbs can be bought
for them, they become useless? I like my lamp; it provides just the
right level of glow at night in an otherwise dark room, save for the
TV and computer or whatever.

I also have a small clip-on lamp on a goose-neck that takes a small,
wire-ended incandescent bulb rated about 25W. Are those to become
unavailable too?

If any of this is true, where exactly do the boundaries of what will
and will not be legal lie?


Martin

"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.


I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.

Jeff

"Jeff" wrote in message ...

"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.


I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.

You'll still be able to buy them from overseas sellers on the likes on Ebay
I should imagine.

"Sam" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message ...

"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.


I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.

You'll still be able to buy them from overseas sellers on the likes on
Ebay I should imagine.

Not legally, it will be illegal to import such items.

Jeff

"Jeff" wrote in message ...

"Sam" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message ...

"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.


I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.

You'll still be able to buy them from overseas sellers on the likes on
Ebay I should imagine.

Not legally, it will be illegal to import such items.

Lots of things are illegal, but sometimes you just have to take the risk.

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
"Sam" wrote in message
...
"Jeff" wrote in message ...
"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.

I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.

You'll still be able to buy them from overseas sellers on the likes on
Ebay I should imagine.

Not legally, it will be illegal to import such items.
Jeff

So drug dealers will go over to the more lucrative business of smuggling
bulbs

Steve Terry

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 at 12:15:59, Jeff wrote in
uk.legal :

Not legally, it will be illegal to import such items.

If I was a jury member when someone was being tried for that, I'd be
****ing myself laughing!
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:11:16 +0100, Sam wrote:


"Jeff" wrote in message ...

"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.


I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.

You'll still be able to buy them from overseas sellers on the likes on
Ebay I should imagine.

I expect they'll appoint a bulb czar and a 2,000 strong bulb squad who
will use terrorist legislation to infiltrate bulb smugglers. Isn't Jim
Gamble after a new job?

Jeff wrote:
"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.


I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.

Jeff

Ah! Finally found something, and it seems to agree with what you said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-o...European_Union

"The initial Europe wide ban only applies to 'non-directional' light
bulbs, so does not affect any bulbs with reflective surfaces (eg.
spotlights or halogen down lighters). Bulbs will be banned in a phased
approach. The first types of bulbs to be banned are non-clear (frosted)
bulbs, these will be phased out completely by September 2009. Also from
September 2009 clear bulbs over 100W must be made of more efficient
types. This limit will be moved down to lower wattages, and the
efficiency levels raised by the end of 2012."

I wouldn't want to have to reply on receiving bulbs by post, packed and
sent by some dodgy eBay geezer.


Thanks.


Martin

I can't wait (I'm joking) for some parliamentary dimbulb to decree
that lava lamps must be fitted with energy-saving bulbs. Duhhhhh...!

Fleetie wrote:

I wouldn't want to have to reply on receiving bulbs by post, packed and
sent by some dodgy eBay geezer.


Thanks.


Martin

Well, I bought 100 60W pearl bulbs of a reputable brand from an eBay
seller a few months ago, and they arrived intact and well-packed. Come
to think of it, if the dealine is that close for frosted bulbs I need
to order some more, to make sure I have a lifetime's supply.

Regards
Richard

"geraldthehamster" wrote in message
...

Well, I bought 100 60W pearl bulbs of a reputable brand from an eBay
seller a few months ago, and they arrived intact and well-packed. Come
to think of it, if the dealine is that close for frosted bulbs I need
to order some more, to make sure I have a lifetime's supply.

Regards
Richard

I have a large number of 100W in stock.

The whole thing is outrageous. Even if you accept the connection between
your choice of light bulb and global warming, how come the Government lets
people make their own decision about, say, air travel, but not about their
choice of light bulb? It isn't as if the alternatives were exact
replacements.

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
"geraldthehamster" wrote in message
...

Well, I bought 100 60W pearl bulbs of a reputable brand from an eBay
seller a few months ago, and they arrived intact and well-packed. Come
to think of it, if the dealine is that close for frosted bulbs I need
to order some more, to make sure I have a lifetime's supply.
Regards
Richard

I have a large number of 100W in stock.

The whole thing is outrageous. Even if you accept the connection between
your choice of light bulb and global warming, how come the Government lets
people make their own decision about, say, air travel, but not about their
choice of light bulb? It isn't as if the alternatives were exact
replacements.
Bill

and completely pointless as LEDs will take over within 5 years, so those
millions of replacement low energy florescent bulbs will get junked too

Steve Terry

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

The whole thing is outrageous. Even if you accept the connection between
your choice of light bulb and global warming, how come the Government lets
people make their own decision about, say, air travel, but not about their
choice of light bulb? It isn't as if the alternatives were exact
replacements.


The alternatives to flying (car, train, buses, ships) all create more
pollution than flying.
They don't want you to use an alternative they just want you to pay more
tax.

Bill Wright wrote:


"geraldthehamster" wrote in message
...

Well, I bought 100 60W pearl bulbs of a reputable brand from an eBay
seller a few months ago, and they arrived intact and well-packed. Come
to think of it, if the dealine is that close for frosted bulbs I need
to order some more, to make sure I have a lifetime's supply.

I have a large number of 100W in stock.

The whole thing is outrageous. Even if you accept the connection between
your choice of light bulb and global warming, how come the Government lets
people make their own decision about, say, air travel, but not about their
choice of light bulb? It isn't as if the alternatives were exact
replacements.

It's about mindset and control.

It's as if you're a squaddy in combat, being put on a charge because
your combat jacket has 'idle ends' or not having the back of your
cap-badge polished. Whether you're fighting the wrong war is an
irrelevance at that level, but the control is total. Similarly with
unplugging phone chargers or using CFLs or leaving your car ticking
over in a traffic jam, they don't address the problem, but your mind
is constantly focussed away from the big issues such as 'is CO2 really
the greatest influencing factor in climate change'.


--
from
Kim Bolton

Jeff wrote:
"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.
....
I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.


No-one has said what those of us with dimmer systems are supposed to do.
Or maybe they think the low-wattage replacements don't need them,
being dim enough already?

(Errr, I meant the bulbs, but you can take that last either way :-)



--
Mike Scott (unet2 at [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk)
Harlow Essex England

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:56:32 +0100, Mike Scott
wrote:

Jeff wrote:
"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.
...
I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.


No-one has said what those of us with dimmer systems are supposed to do.
Or maybe they think the low-wattage replacements don't need them,
being dim enough already?


There are low wattage bulbs available now that work with dimmers.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
You're not losing more hair, you're gaining more scalp.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:08:35 +0100, "Jeff" wrote:


"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.


I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.


Initially, yes.

From September 2010, it will be from 75W upwards, from September 2011
it will include everything from 60W upwards, etc.

Altogether there are 6 stages, although I think every size commonly
available will be covered by stage 4 (1 September 2012).
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
These are only my opinions. You should see my convictions.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

"Alex Heney" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:08:35 +0100, "Jeff" wrote:


"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.

I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.

Initially, yes.
From September 2010, it will be from 75W upwards, from September 2011
it will include everything from 60W upwards, etc.

Altogether there are 6 stages, although I think every size commonly
available will be covered by stage 4 (1 September 2012).
Alex Heney, Global Villager


By Sep 2012 new technology LED lamps should be in full production

Steve Terry

Steve Terry wrote:
"Alex Heney" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:08:35 +0100, "Jeff" wrote:


"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above
would be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in
Sainsbury's last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light
sources in rooms.

I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of
other wattages that will be banned.

Initially, yes.
From September 2010, it will be from 75W upwards, from September 2011
it will include everything from 60W upwards, etc.

Altogether there are 6 stages, although I think every size commonly
available will be covered by stage 4 (1 September 2012).
Alex Heney, Global Villager


By Sep 2012 new technology LED lamps should be in full production


that's just 3 years but I'd like your optimism to be true!

In article ,
"Clot" writes:
Steve Terry wrote:
By Sep 2012 new technology LED lamps should be in full production

that's just 3 years but I'd like your optimism to be true!

It's a promise the LED lighting industry has broken for every
one of the last 20 years!

There are some reasonably efficient LEDs in the lab, and
available at really stupid prices. You have to wait for patents
to age or expire before they can become consumer products though.

There really is nothing technologically on the horizon which
allows you to make a 100W [equivalent] retrofit GLS LED lamp
though. Widespread LED lighting will require new purpose-
designed luminares to solve the thermal design issues which
come with LEDs.

Commercially, metal halide lamps have already filled this space,
and you may see these moving into domestic use as the chinese
bring the costs down in bulk.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Jeff wrote:
"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.


I believe that it is only 100W bulbs and frosted pearl bulbs of other
wattages that will be banned.

Jeff



:-(

I like my 100W lightbulb. My eyes strain with anything less, need a
really bright light I do, and fluorescent lights give me headaches.

In message , Simon Dean
writes

I like my 100W lightbulb. My eyes strain with anything less,

There's no such thing as eyestrain.

--
James Follett.
Http://www.pbase.com/jamesfollett
updated to include 'Wings' air and vehicle show pictures at
Dunsfold.
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk

"james" wrote in message
...
In message , Simon Dean
writes

I like my 100W lightbulb. My eyes strain with anything less,

There's no such thing as eyestrain.

--
James Follett.

Of course there is. It's when your eyes get tired from reading under a dim
light.

Bill

Jaf wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 03:57:02 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:

"james" wrote in message
...
In message , Simon Dean
writes
I like my 100W lightbulb. My eyes strain with anything less,
There's no such thing as eyestrain.

--
James Follett.
Of course there is. It's when your eyes get tired from reading under a dim
light.

Bill

This is rare so savour it, but I'm definitely with James on this one,
There is no such thing as eye-strain.

Then what is it that feels like eye strain?

This health related website would suggest that there is eyestrain.

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/...Eyestrain.html
http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/ergon...g_flicker.html

Why do you think there there is no such thing as eye strain?

"Jaf" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 03:57:02 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:


"james" wrote in message
...
In message , Simon Dean
writes

I like my 100W lightbulb. My eyes strain with anything less,

There's no such thing as eyestrain.

--
James Follett.

Of course there is. It's when your eyes get tired from reading under a dim
light.

Bill

This is rare so savour it, but I'm definitely with James on this one,
There is no such thing as eye-strain.

When I drive on a bright day without dark glasses I get a headache. When my
dad was a medic in Norway during the war a big problem was soldiers
complaining of a feeling of sand in their eyes. This was due to the sun and
the snow. The iris muscles were getting tired. If I read under a dim light I
start to blink and my eyes struggle to focus. This tires the little muscles
that focus the lens, so they protest, and sometimes my eyes water. Sometimes
when I can't find my 'ultra-close-up' glasses I might foolishly attempt to
do a bit of very fine work using my normal bifocals. My eyes are then
struggling to focus closer than they are really capable of, so again the
iris muscles protest. In all these cases the eye is struggling to work under
condiitons that it doesn't like, so it tells the brain that it is unhappy. I
think the expression 'eyestrain' is a suitable one. The eyes are straining
to do something at the limit of their capabilities. I'm not suggesting that
the eyes are damaged in any way by this; just that they tell you that they
are unhappy.

On a related topic, here's a warning. If ever you get a build up of sticky
gunge in the corner of your eye, and possibly a film of it over your pupil,
causing blurred vision, get some antibiotics immediately. I had an eye
infection and delayed treating it for 48 hours, with the result that my left
eye is permanently affected.

Bill

Fleetie wrote:

[...]

To return to lava lamps: Are all such lamps effectively living on
borrowed time after Tuesday ...

In view of their anciency, any such lamp now still in existence will already
have been living on borrowed time for decades.

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 at 11:58:38, Fleetie
wrote in uk.legal :

I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.

But is this true? There are plenty of applications for incandescent
bulbs that are not simply designed for being the main light sources in
rooms.

To return to lava lamps: Are all such lamps effectively living on
borrowed time after Tuesday, so that when no more bulbs can be bought
for them, they become useless? I like my lamp; it provides just the
right level of glow at night in an otherwise dark room, save for the
TV and computer or whatever.

I also have a small clip-on lamp on a goose-neck that takes a small,
wire-ended incandescent bulb rated about 25W. Are those to become
unavailable too?

If any of this is true, where exactly do the boundaries of what will
and will not be legal lie?

IMO energy-saving bulbs aren't all they're cracked up to be, anyway.

They might not actually *fail* for a long time, but they fade over time,
shortening their useful life that way.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:09:59 GMT, Paul Hyett
wrote:

IMO energy-saving bulbs aren't all they're cracked up to be, anyway.

They might not actually *fail* for a long time, but they fade over time,
shortening their useful life that way.

As I have posted before, forget CFLs. Wait a short while and there
will be plenty of LED room lighting options. LEDs are more energy
efficient, provide a better quality of light (IMO), may be dimmed, and
are less polluting both in manufacture and in disposal.

Unfortunately it is unlikely that we will see LED lights that are
plug-in replacements for incandecent bulbs any time soon - except
perhaps a type that compromises so greatly on efficiency that they are
poor substitutes. There are some tricky technical problems that will
need to be overcome first. So you'll need to replace the entire
fitting.

--
Cynic

In article ,
Cynic wrote:

Unfortunately it is unlikely that we will see LED lights that are
plug-in replacements for incandecent bulbs any time soon - except
perhaps a type that compromises so greatly on efficiency that they are
poor substitutes. There are some tricky technical problems that will
need to be overcome first. So you'll need to replace the entire
fitting.

As an experiment, I got a couple of the 3W ones of these:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...Led/index.html

some time back to replace 2 x 50W GU10 halogen spots. TLC had them on
offer at a fiver each at the time.

As an experiment, I deemed it a success and wished now I'd bought more at
that price! They're not quite the same in terms of coverage and light -
they only had one type at the time and I'm guessing it's the "cool white"
version. I think the "warm white" might be better suited for my test
- kitchen to illuminate the cooker area. Curiously enough, there is a
start-up delay too - fraction of a second (1/4 to 1/2?), but it's still
there. I guess they have some sort of fancy PSU that needs to stabilise
first.

I recon that I actually need 3 of these to fully illuminate the same
area as 2 x GU10 50W halogens, so at some point soon I'll get another
and a fitting, however 9W to replace 100W is good in my book.

Gordon

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:53:00 +0000 (UTC), Gordon Henderson
wrote:

Unfortunately it is unlikely that we will see LED lights that are
plug-in replacements for incandecent bulbs any time soon - except
perhaps a type that compromises so greatly on efficiency that they are
poor substitutes. There are some tricky technical problems that will
need to be overcome first. So you'll need to replace the entire
fitting.

As an experiment, I got a couple of the 3W ones of these:

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...Led/index.html

some time back to replace 2 x 50W GU10 halogen spots. TLC had them on
offer at a fiver each at the time.

As an experiment, I deemed it a success and wished now I'd bought more at
that price! They're not quite the same in terms of coverage and light -
they only had one type at the time and I'm guessing it's the "cool white"
version. I think the "warm white" might be better suited for my test
- kitchen to illuminate the cooker area. Curiously enough, there is a
start-up delay too - fraction of a second (1/4 to 1/2?), but it's still
there. I guess they have some sort of fancy PSU that needs to stabilise
first.

LEDs are inherently more directional than other forms of lighting.
That is in fact a good thing, because any light that is illuminating
areas you don't *need* to be illuminated is wasted energy. Coverage
angles are increased either by mounting several LEDs at different
angles, or with suitable optics (usually diffuser/lens combination,
which increases the price).

The PSU is a major part of the system. Some companies have brought
out LED lighting without an adequate PSU design, and as a result they
are either very dim, or will not last 5 minutes. LEDs are very
particular about their current supply if you want to operate them at
peak brightness, and also have a maximum operating temperature that
must not be exceeded - so have to be adequately heatsinked or
otherwise protected for all conceivable ambient temperatures. Some
PSUs are suitable for connection to a dimmer-fed light, but most are
not because they are essentially switch-mode power supplies. If you
want dimmable lighting, it is best to get an LED fitting where the PSU
has a dimmer input rather than using an existing dimmer that operates
on the mains. Some PSUs are switch-mode (and so unaffected by input
voltage), but have a separate sensing circuit that detects the fact
that a dimmer is being used and applies the neccesary changes to the
output to dim the LEDs (usually constant current PWM).

I recon that I actually need 3 of these to fully illuminate the same
area as 2 x GU10 50W halogens, so at some point soon I'll get another
and a fitting, however 9W to replace 100W is good in my book.

Yes - it is definitely the way forward, and I don't see much of a
future for CFLs. OTOH I must declare a vested commercial interest in
LED lighting (but not domestic lights - industrial and streetlighting
only).

--
Cynic

Cynic wrote:

LEDs are inherently more directional than other forms of lighting.
That is in fact a good thing, because any light that is illuminating
areas you don't *need* to be illuminated is wasted energy. Coverage
angles are increased either by mounting several LEDs at different
angles, or with suitable optics (usually diffuser/lens combination,
which increases the price).

As far as car running lights go, they are rubbish. Look at the angle of
view they disapear at on a Mercedes. It is very narrow.

This begs the question of 'why did car manufacturers change indicator
light covers from amber to clear and put an amber coated bulb in there,
that can't be seen in bright sunlight?'

The same goes for traffic lights. There is a traffic light controlled
roundabout near here and if you are in the R/H lane, you can not see the
colour of the light until the last minute, because of the angle the
lights are presented to the driver. (You can't see the stop lines until
the last minute either, because of the contour of the road.)

Dave

Cynic wrote:

OTOH I must declare a vested commercial interest in
LED lighting (but not domestic lights - industrial and streetlighting
only).

Ah so your the one who is going to replace my streets lights with LED's
next month, will be interesting to see how they get on.


--
Corporal Jones
"I don't like it up me"

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 at 18:23:47, Cynic wrote in
uk.legal :

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:09:59 GMT, Paul Hyett
wrote:

IMO energy-saving bulbs aren't all they're cracked up to be, anyway.

They might not actually *fail* for a long time, but they fade over time,
shortening their useful life that way.

As I have posted before, forget CFLs. Wait a short while

In the dark, presumably?

and there
will be plenty of LED room lighting options. LEDs are more energy
efficient, provide a better quality of light (IMO), may be dimmed, and
are less polluting both in manufacture and in disposal.

What about price, though?

Unfortunately it is unlikely that we will see LED lights that are
plug-in replacements for incandecent bulbs any time soon

And there's the catch...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Paul Hyett wrote:

IMO energy-saving bulbs aren't all they're cracked up to be, anyway.

They might not actually *fail* for a long time, but they fade over time,

No that's just you getting older.

I SAID THAT'S JUST oh never mind.

Willy Eckerslyke wrote:
Paul Hyett wrote:

IMO energy-saving bulbs aren't all they're cracked up to be, anyway.

They might not actually *fail* for a long time, but they fade over time,

No that's just you getting older.

I SAID THAT'S JUST oh never mind.

Leonard Cohen innit?

I have that. ****, Santa's coming...


Martin

"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.


The ban is only on bulbs over 75w

Don't worry about the loss of incandescent bulbs,
new LED technology is going to change the world

Steve Terry

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:01:52 +0100, "Steve Terry"
had this to say:

"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.


The ban is only on bulbs over 75w

Apparently not - it's all _GLS_ pearl/frosted bulbs.

SES will probably not be classed as GLS, nor will ES, BICBW.

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Frank Erskine

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:21:08 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:01:52 +0100, "Steve Terry"
had this to say:

"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.


The ban is only on bulbs over 75w

Apparently not - it's all _GLS_ pearl/frosted bulbs.

SES will probably not be classed as GLS, nor will ES, BICBW.

You are.
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In article ,
Frank Erskine writes:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:01:52 +0100, "Steve Terry"
had this to say:

"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
I read in a newspaper on Sunday or Monday that sale of the above would
be illegal in the UK after the coming Tuesday.

So I stocked up on some 40W SES bulbs for my lava lamp in Sainsbury's
last night.


The ban is only on bulbs over 75w

Apparently not - it's all _GLS_ pearl/frosted bulbs.

SES will probably not be classed as GLS, nor will ES, BICBW.

The term GLS (General Lighting Service) includes all standard
pear-shaped and mushroom-shaped lamps with clear or pearl or
white painted finishes. There are no SES versions, but there
are ES (and GES) versions. It does not cover coloured versions
of these lamps.

All the SES filament lamps I can think of come under the
categories of Decorative lamps (e.g. candle, golf ball, etc),
reflector lamps (e.g. R30, R40), and Special Purpose lamps
(e.g. pygmy, oven, fridge, cooker hood, etc).

As I've commented before, the sales of all these decorative
and special purpose filament lamps has been falling dramatically
in any case. This, combined with many of them having been
manufactured in the same facilities as GLS lamps which are
ramping down, means you should assume they will become harder
to find over time, even in the absence of any ban.

A German colleague tells me there's been a big fuss about it
over there, and several of the retailers have stocked up with
many year's worth of the banned lamps. (It becomes illegal
to manufacture or import, but not to sell them.)

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Andrew Gabriel
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