We are extending the floor tiles up the wall. Question - can the same
tile cement be used on the wall as was used on the floor or is a
different product - i.e. something a bit more "sticky" required for
fixing the "floor" tiles up a wall? As they are floor tiles they are a
little thicker and heavier than normal wall tiles. Any advice please?

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David in Normandy wrote:
We are extending the floor tiles up the wall. Question - can the same
tile cement be used on the wall as was used on the floor or is a
different product - i.e. something a bit more "sticky" required for
fixing the "floor" tiles up a wall? As they are floor tiles they are a
little thicker and heavier than normal wall tiles. Any advice please?


I forgot to add that this is in the bathroom and the walls are normal
plasterboard (not green) but treated with several coats of PVA to seal them.

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I forgot to add that this is in the bathroom and the walls are normal
plasterboard (not green) but treated with several coats of PVA to seal
them.

I was told never to PVA under tiles as it prevents the tile adhesive getting
a proper bond on the wall, especially plaster board and wood.



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Ian_m wrote:
I forgot to add that this is in the bathroom and the walls are normal
plasterboard (not green) but treated with several coats of PVA to seal
them.

I was told never to PVA under tiles as it prevents the tile adhesive
getting a proper bond on the wall, especially plaster board and wood.

It would certainly increase the setting time for a non cement based type.

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David in Normandy wrote:
We are extending the floor tiles up the wall. Question - can the same
tile cement be used on the wall as was used on the floor or is a
different product - i.e. something a bit more "sticky" required for
fixing the "floor" tiles up a wall? As they are floor tiles they are a
little thicker and heavier than normal wall tiles. Any advice please?


In view of the heavier tiles, I'd use a wall adhesive, with the larger
comb spreader to give a bit more depth. The floor adhesives I've used
are too dense and heavy for walls, high cement content I think.

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David in Normandy wrote:
We are extending the floor tiles up the wall. Question - can the same
tile cement be used on the wall as was used on the floor or is a
different product - i.e. something a bit more "sticky" required for
fixing the "floor" tiles up a wall? As they are floor tiles they are a
little thicker and heavier than normal wall tiles. Any advice please?


In view of the heavier tiles, I'd use a wall adhesive, with the larger
comb spreader to give a bit more depth. The floor adhesives I've used are
too dense and heavy for walls, high cement content I think.

I'm currently tiling my bathroom with 60 x 30cm tiles - they're heavy ! I am
using "Heavy Duty Non-Slip Tile Adhesive" for this, as recommended by the
man in the store, and it is absoluely fine. In fact, so good is it, that
you've got about 1 minute maximum to position the tile, and then there ain't
no way the bugger's coming off ...

Arfa

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David in Normandy wrote:
We are extending the floor tiles up the wall. Question - can the same
tile cement be used on the wall as was used on the floor or is a
different product - i.e. something a bit more "sticky" required for
fixing the "floor" tiles up a wall? As they are floor tiles they are a
little thicker and heavier than normal wall tiles. Any advice please?

In view of the heavier tiles, I'd use a wall adhesive, with the larger
comb spreader to give a bit more depth. The floor adhesives I've used are
too dense and heavy for walls, high cement content I think.

I'm currently tiling my bathroom with 60 x 30cm tiles - they're heavy ! I am
using "Heavy Duty Non-Slip Tile Adhesive" for this, as recommended by the
man in the store, and it is absoluely fine. In fact, so good is it, that
you've got about 1 minute maximum to position the tile, and then there ain't
no way the bugger's coming off ...

Arfa



Right, that sounds like what I need. Thanks.

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David in Normandy wrote:
We are extending the floor tiles up the wall. Question - can the same
tile cement be used on the wall as was used on the floor or is a
different product - i.e. something a bit more "sticky" required for
fixing the "floor" tiles up a wall? As they are floor tiles they are a
little thicker and heavier than normal wall tiles. Any advice please?

In view of the heavier tiles, I'd use a wall adhesive, with the larger
comb spreader to give a bit more depth. The floor adhesives I've used are
too dense and heavy for walls, high cement content I think.

I'm currently tiling my bathroom with 60 x 30cm tiles - they're heavy ! I am
using "Heavy Duty Non-Slip Tile Adhesive" for this, as recommended by the
man in the store, and it is absoluely fine. In fact, so good is it, that
you've got about 1 minute maximum to position the tile, and then there ain't
no way the bugger's coming off ...

Arfa

Right, that sounds like what I need. Thanks.

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You should not be using a tub adhesive if they are large format tiles
(over 30 x 30 or so). It doesn't set properly. You need to use a
cement based adhesive on those whether on floors or walls. There are
versions which are high grab for walls.

IIRC plasterboard can only carry 30kg/m2 bare (20kgm2 with a skim-
coat), so check you are OK there - some thick porcelains will exceed
that (and many stones).

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You should not be using a tub adhesive if they are large format tiles
(over 30 x 30 or so). It doesn't set properly. You need to use a
cement based adhesive on those whether on floors or walls. There are
versions which are high grab for walls.

I tiled my entire bathroom walls with 300 x 420mm porcelain tiles suitable
for wall or floor use. Using tub adhesive - actually Homebase own brand.
Which is stated to be suitable for porcelain tiles - others may not be.
And I can assure you it does set. I did try Wicks stuff which was
considerably cheaper and the tiles fell off. ;-)

IIRC plasterboard can only carry 30kg/m2 bare (20kgm2 with a skim-
coat), so check you are OK there - some thick porcelains will exceed
that (and many stones).

Right - so the box which usually contains 1 sq mtr would weigh 30 kg? Mine
was heavy enough to carry but nowhere near that. Although I could well
imagine real stone being very heavy.

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David in Normandy wrote:
We are extending the floor tiles up the wall. Question - can the same
tile cement be used on the wall as was used on the floor or is a
different product - i.e. something a bit more "sticky" required for
fixing the "floor" tiles up a wall? As they are floor tiles they are a
little thicker and heavier than normal wall tiles. Any advice please?

In view of the heavier tiles, I'd use a wall adhesive, with the larger
comb spreader to give a bit more depth. The floor adhesives I've used
are
too dense and heavy for walls, high cement content I think.

I'm currently tiling my bathroom with 60 x 30cm tiles - they're heavy !
I am
using "Heavy Duty Non-Slip Tile Adhesive" for this, as recommended by
the
man in the store, and it is absoluely fine. In fact, so good is it, that
you've got about 1 minute maximum to position the tile, and then there
ain't
no way the bugger's coming off ...

Arfa

Right, that sounds like what I need. Thanks.

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You should not be using a tub adhesive if they are large format tiles
(over 30 x 30 or so). It doesn't set properly. You need to use a
cement based adhesive on those whether on floors or walls. There are
versions which are high grab for walls.



It sets ok if you are using tub based cement intended for the job. I expect
that's why it's called "Heavy Duty". I am using a heavy duty tub based
ceramic tile adhesive to fix 30cm x 60cm ceramic tiles to my bathroom wall,
and I can assure you that it is setting totally hard. It does 'exactly as it
says on the tin', and exactly what the man in the shop said it would. As he
sells many tiles this big, I guess he knows which adhesive to recommend for
sticking them ?

Arfa

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David in Normandy wrote:
We are extending the floor tiles up the wall. Question - can the same
tile cement be used on the wall as was used on the floor or is a
different product - i.e. something a bit more "sticky" required for
fixing the "floor" tiles up a wall? As they are floor tiles they are a
little thicker and heavier than normal wall tiles. Any advice please?

Generally, floor tiles use a totally waterproof adhesive which is cement
based. Ordinary wall tile adhesive is water resistant - not the same thing.

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David in Normandy wrote:
We are extending the floor tiles up the wall. Question - can the same
tile cement be used on the wall as was used on the floor or is a
different product - i.e. something a bit more "sticky" required for
fixing the "floor" tiles up a wall? As they are floor tiles they are a
little thicker and heavier than normal wall tiles. Any advice please?

Generally, floor tiles use a totally waterproof adhesive which is cement
based. Ordinary wall tile adhesive is water resistant - not the same
thing.

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I used to think that Dave, but since casting around for the tiles for my
bathroom refurb project, I have now found that many ceramic tiles seem to be
specced for use both on floor and walls. But agreed that if the tiles are
'stone', then a cement based adhesive is usually used, and a ceramic tile
adhesive will not be suitable.

Arfa