I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position


| |
| |
| |_________
|_ |_________


and able to rotate through 90 degrees so as to form an extension to the
drawer base as shown below when the front is down.
_ _ _ _ ___________
_ _ _ _|___________

I would be grateful for any thoughts on how to achieve this as neatly as
possible.

I have looked at butler tray hinges but they do not appear to allow the
front edge of the drawer base to be covered by the drop front when it is
in the raised position. It looks as though they result in this when the
front is raised.

| |
| |
|_ |___________
|___________

--
Robert

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:43:45 +0100, robert wrote:


I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position



| |
| |_________
|_ |_________


and able to rotate through 90 degrees so as to form an extension to the
drawer base as shown below when the front is down. _ _ _ _ ___________ _
_ _ _|___________

I would be grateful for any thoughts on how to achieve this as neatly as
possible.

I have looked at butler tray hinges but they do not appear to allow the
front edge of the drawer base to be covered by the drop front when it is
in the raised position. It looks as though they result in this when the
front is raised.


| |
|_ |___________
|___________

=========================================

Just to start you thinking...

I think you need a sliding hinge similar to those found on some filing
cabinets. I've got a cabinet where a door hinges upwards and then slides
into a recess.

You might find it easier to have a normal hinged front with a pull-out
sliding tray inside, which would be partly supported by the fold-down
drawer front. B&Q sell the pull-out tray mechanism. This arrangement used
to be used on quality tool cabinets where a false front hinged down to
reveal drawers.

Cic.

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robert wrote:
I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position


|
|
|_________
_ |_________


and able to rotate through 90 degrees so as to form an extension to
the drawer base as shown below when the front is down.
_ _ _ _ ___________
_ _ _ _|___________

I would be grateful for any thoughts on how to achieve this as neatly
as possible.

I have looked at butler tray hinges but they do not appear to allow
the front edge of the drawer base to be covered by the drop front
when it is in the raised position. It looks as though they result in
this when the front is raised.

Didn't know you could get Butlers Tray Hinges anymore? Had to give up
making a very lucrative magicians prop because I couldn't get them.

A kitchen cupboard hinge would do that, not sure if it would be strong
enough though? Maybe a couple of slide out supports as well?


--
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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Jun 2, 7:43*pm, robert wrote:
I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position

| * |
| * |
| * |_________
|_ |_________

and able to rotate through 90 degrees so as to form an extension to the
drawer base as shown below when the front is down.
_ _ _ _ ___________
_ _ _ _|___________

I would be grateful for any thoughts on how to achieve this as neatly as
possible.

I have looked at butler tray hinges but they do not appear to allow the
front edge of the drawer base to be covered by the drop front when it is
in the raised position. *It looks as though they result in this when the
front is raised.

| * |
| * |
|_ |___________
* * |___________

--
Robert

How about a drop leaf hinge like http://www.horton-brasses.com/store/.../dropleaftable

You'd need to rout the pieces to make a rule joint, but the finish
would be very neat, and it's strong when flat.

A

In message
,
" writes
On Jun 2, 7:43*pm, robert wrote:
I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position

| * |
| * |
| * |_________
|_ |_________

and able to rotate through 90 degrees so as to form an extension to the
drawer base as shown below when the front is down.
_ _ _ _ ___________
_ _ _ _|___________

I would be grateful for any thoughts on how to achieve this as neatly as
possible.

I have looked at butler tray hinges but they do not appear to allow the
front edge of the drawer base to be covered by the drop front when it is
in the raised position. *It looks as though they result in this when the
front is raised.

| * |
| * |
|_ |___________
* * |___________

--
Robert

How about a drop leaf hinge like
http://www.horton-brasses.com/store/.../dropleaftable

You'd need to rout the pieces to make a rule joint, but the finish
would be very neat, and it's strong when flat.

It looks as though they have the same problem as butler tray hinges -
whilst they would allow the drop front to rotate to form an extension to
the drawer base, the front would not cover the front edge of the base
when it is in the raised/closed position.

--
Robert

"robert" wrote in message
...

I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position


| |
| |
| |_________
|_ |_________


and able to rotate through 90 degrees so as to form an extension to the
drawer base as shown below when the front is down.
_ _ _ _ ___________
_ _ _ _|___________

I would be grateful for any thoughts on how to achieve this as neatly as
possible.

I have looked at butler tray hinges but they do not appear to allow the
front edge of the drawer base to be covered by the drop front when it is
in the raised position. It looks as though they result in this when the
front is raised.

| |
| |
|_ |___________
|___________


There has to be something here http://www.rutlands.co.uk that will do the
job.

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
robert wrote:
I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position


|
|
|_________
_ |_________


and able to rotate through 90 degrees so as to form an extension to
the drawer base as shown below when the front is down.
_ _ _ _ ___________
_ _ _ _|___________

I would be grateful for any thoughts on how to achieve this as neatly
as possible.

I have looked at butler tray hinges but they do not appear to allow
the front edge of the drawer base to be covered by the drop front
when it is in the raised position. It looks as though they result in
this when the front is raised.

Didn't know you could get Butlers Tray Hinges anymore? Had to give up
making a very lucrative magicians prop because I couldn't get them.

A kitchen cupboard hinge would do that, not sure if it would be strong
enough though? Maybe a couple of slide out supports as well?

Check out http://www.rutlands.co.uk

On Jun 2, 10:22*pm, robert wrote:
In message
,
" writes

On Jun 2, 7:43*pm, robert wrote:
I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position

| * |
| * |
| * |_________
|_ |_________

and able to rotate through 90 degrees so as to form an extension to the
drawer base as shown below when the front is down.
_ _ _ _ ___________
_ _ _ _|___________

I would be grateful for any thoughts on how to achieve this as neatly as
possible.

I have looked at butler tray hinges but they do not appear to allow the
front edge of the drawer base to be covered by the drop front when it is
in the raised position. *It looks as though they result in this when the
front is raised.

| * |
| * |
|_ |___________
* * |___________

--
Robert

How about a drop leaf hinge like
http://www.horton-brasses.com/store/.../dropleaftable

You'd need to rout the pieces to make a rule joint, but the finish
would be very neat, and it's strong when flat.

It looks as though they have the same problem as butler tray hinges -
whilst they would allow the drop front to rotate to form an extension to
the drawer base, the front would not cover the front edge of the base
when it is in the raised/closed position.


What you get when it is closed is a rounded off edge. The 2 pieces
join, and it should look like the corner has been shaped, rather than
that there are 2 pieces. Not quite what you pictured, but could look
good.

A

On 2 June, 19:43, robert wrote:
I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position

| * |
| * |
| * |_________
|_ |_________

and able to rotate through 90 degrees so as to form an extension to the
drawer base as shown below when the front is down.
_ _ _ _ ___________
_ _ _ _|___________

I would be grateful for any thoughts on how to achieve this as neatly as
possible.

I have looked at butler tray hinges but they do not appear to allow the
front edge of the drawer base to be covered by the drop front when it is
in the raised position. *It looks as though they result in this when the
front is raised.

| * |
| * |
|_ |___________
* * |___________

--
Robert

I'm surprised no one has pointed out that what is drawn here is
impossible - just look at the two sketches of the requirement.

Rob

"Rob G" wrote in message
...
On 2 June, 19:43, robert wrote:
I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position

| |
| |
| |_________
|_ |_________

and able to rotate through 90 degrees so as to form an extension to the
drawer base as shown below when the front is down.
_ _ _ _ ___________
_ _ _ _|___________

I would be grateful for any thoughts on how to achieve this as neatly as
possible.

I have looked at butler tray hinges but they do not appear to allow the
front edge of the drawer base to be covered by the drop front when it is
in the raised position. It looks as though they result in this when the
front is raised.

| |
| |
|_ |___________
|___________

--
Robert

-I'm surprised no one has pointed out that what is drawn here is
-impossible - just look at the two sketches of the requirement.

Well, it's not completely impossible. It is impossible with a single pin
hinge. A floppy hinge, with two pins and a piece of metal joining them could
work. It would drop down when shut and, when open the metal piece would be
under tension across the top


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

In message , Bob Mannix
writes
"Rob G" wrote in message
...
On 2 June, 19:43, robert wrote:
I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position

| |
| |
| |_________
|_ |_________

and able to rotate through 90 degrees so as to form an extension to the
drawer base as shown below when the front is down.
_ _ _ _ ___________
_ _ _ _|___________

I would be grateful for any thoughts on how to achieve this as neatly as
possible.

I have looked at butler tray hinges but they do not appear to allow the
front edge of the drawer base to be covered by the drop front when it is
in the raised position. It looks as though they result in this when the
front is raised.

| |
| |
|_ |___________
|___________

-I'm surprised no one has pointed out that what is drawn here is
-impossible - just look at the two sketches of the requirement.

Well, it's not completely impossible. It is impossible with a single pin
hinge. A floppy hinge, with two pins and a piece of metal joining them could
work. It would drop down when shut and, when open the metal piece would be
under tension across the top

Indeed it is possible - I have a piece of Ikea furniture with a hinge
with a pair of internal rotating links that does exactly as indicated in
the images, however Ikea are not able to help me locate it.
--
Robert

On 2 June, 19:43, robert wrote:
I want to put a drop front on a keyboard drawer so that the front will
look like the first item below (as seen from the side) when in the
raised position

Nice ASCII art.

As you can't rotate a square through a square, use a router &
roundover bit to cope one edge into a quarter circle, then pivot it on
pins at the ends. This is old-school cabinetmaking - any of Charles
Hayward's school-level woodwork books from the '50s ought to cover it.

Won't work in chipboard (but then drop-flaps in chipboard are nasty
anyway), but Isaac Lord probably sell a magic hinge with a linkage for
doing it.

Big solid brass butler's tray hinges are all over the place, even
today.

Andy Dingley wrote:
SNIP

Big solid brass butler's tray hinges are all over the place, even
today.

I'd really like to know where?


--
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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
SNIP
Big solid brass butler's tray hinges are all over the place, even
today.

I'd really like to know where?


He

http://www.isaaclord.co.uk/productDetail.aspx?product=1265&subCat=000

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On 3 June, 18:41, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

Big solid brass butler's tray hinges are all over the place, even
today.

I'd really like to know where?

Depends what sort. If you mean the "bar flap" hinges with the central
strap that can fold right back over on themselves, then Screwfix have
them (packs of 10, annoyingly). If you want the real "butler's tray"
with the spring stop at 90 degrees, then Isaac Lord.

Rutlands have them (for an insane price - 40 quid?) and my local yacht
chandler does them, and in stainless too. I'm sure Relics in Witney
would have some, but wouldn't be cheap.

For "awkward" brassware items then it's worth a look at http://www.brasscastings.co.uk
or J Shiner http://www.j-shiner.co.uk (down Brighton way) who both
have a large range of good quality brassware, with good prices. I find
them very handy for restoration and repro pieces. Where else do you
get baluster gallery?

Over in Canada there's Lee Valley, who have them too and any excuse
for shipping a Lee Valley order (or just their toolpr0n catalogue).
You might even find they stock Brusso ones, which will be the best
made quality brassware you've ever seen, with a price tag to match (I
can only afford their cigar box quadrant hinges).

....and then there's the propane and Petrobond approach 8-)