On Sun, 3 May 2009 09:17:31 +0100 John wrote :
It seems that many can't change a failed brake light bulb - or
don't care.

On my Suzuki Wagon (original version) this was a dealer job - back
bumper off. Ludicrous design decision.

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In article , John
scribeth thus

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
In article , Tim S
writes

When I were a lad in the 70's, most of the men in our section of our road,
rightly or wrongly, would do their own DIY, electrics[1], plumbing

we didn't have the nanny state and the likes of Part Pee then.

and at
least basic car servicing.

cars were designed to be user-serviceable then. nowadays you're lucky if
you can change the oil yourself. Everything else is hidden away under
plastic covers.

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It seems that many can't change a failed brake light bulb - or don't care.

I told a driver recently that his had gone (why is it always the nearside
one??) and he replied that his MOT was due in a couple of months time. Doh!



Its a serious job changing the bulbs on some cars now..

For most ever other car problem its specialist software on a laptop;!...
--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , John
scribeth thus

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
In article , Tim S
writes

When I were a lad in the 70's, most of the men in our section of our
road,
rightly or wrongly, would do their own DIY, electrics[1], plumbing

we didn't have the nanny state and the likes of Part Pee then.

and at
least basic car servicing.

cars were designed to be user-serviceable then. nowadays you're lucky if
you can change the oil yourself. Everything else is hidden away under
plastic covers.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=) Bunny says Windows 7 is Vi$ta reloaded.
(")_(") http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png



It seems that many can't change a failed brake light bulb - or don't care.

I told a driver recently that his had gone (why is it always the nearside
one??) and he replied that his MOT was due in a couple of months time.
Doh!



Its a serious job changing the bulbs on some cars now..

For most ever other car problem its specialist software on a laptop;!...
--
Tony Sayer




Surprised - every car we have had for years has been a simple no-tool job
from the inside of the hatch or boot. Roll on LEDs then.

ARWadsworth wrote:

And use of basic tools is on the decline. Whilst fitting some outside lights
I discovered that my apprentice had never used a socket set in his life.
After showing him I then asked him if he could change a wheel on a car. The
answer was no and so I had to show him. An hour well spent IMHO.

I think that if you want to make the driving test more useful there
ought to be a section on at least knowing how to carry out basic
maintenance like changing a wheel (even if you are not physically
capable of doing it - you ought to be able to instruct someone),
checking the oil, inflating tyres etc.

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John.

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In message ,
ARWadsworth writes

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 May 2009 08:17:31 UTC, "John"
wrote:


"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
In article , Tim S
writes

When I were a lad in the 70's, most of the men in our section of our
road,
rightly or wrongly, would do their own DIY, electrics[1], plumbing

we didn't have the nanny state and the likes of Part Pee then.

and at
least basic car servicing.

cars were designed to be user-serviceable then. nowadays you're lucky
if
you can change the oil yourself. Everything else is hidden away under
plastic covers.


It seems that many can't change a failed brake light bulb - or don't
care.

I told a driver recently that his had gone (why is it always the nearside
one??) and he replied that his MOT was due in a couple of months time.
Doh!

To be fair, some are really a pain (lots of screws to undo, etc.). It
can be a pain.


Yep. Over 40 minutes to change the OS headlight bulb on my Combo. The tail
lights only take about 30 seconds. There is still no excuse not to change a
bulb or pay someone to change it for you as soon as possible after you know
that the bulb has blown.

And use of basic tools is on the decline. Whilst fitting some outside lights
I discovered that my apprentice had never used a socket set in his life.
After showing him I then asked him if he could change a wheel on a car. The
answer was no and so I had to show him. An hour well spent IMHO.


Tip of the iceberg, tip of the iceberg mate

Sun was shining yesterday, got the bike out and went for a run and ended
up at a pub by the canal

I asked for a pint of London Pride, the girl behind the bar had to get
someone to show her how to pull a pint

You would be forgiven for not believing it, but its true


--
geoff

On Sun, 3 May 2009 23:09:39 UTC, geoff wrote:

I asked for a pint of London Pride, the girl behind the bar had to get
someone to show her how to pull a pint

You would be forgiven for not believing it, but its true

I always used to cause chaos by asking for a bottle (poured) of
Worthington White Shield. The sensible ones gave me a bottle and a
glass.

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In message , Bob Eager
writes
On Sun, 3 May 2009 23:09:39 UTC, geoff wrote:

I asked for a pint of London Pride, the girl behind the bar had to get
someone to show her how to pull a pint

You would be forgiven for not believing it, but its true

I always used to cause chaos by asking for a bottle (poured) of
Worthington White Shield. The sensible ones gave me a bottle and a
glass.


Long gone - RIP

Mind you, you can keep your hand in with the occasional Hefeweizen

but, to be serving behind a bar and not to even have the first clue as
to how to pull a pint, is beyond my comprehension

--
geoff

geoff wrote:


Tip of the iceberg, tip of the iceberg mate

Sun was shining yesterday, got the bike out and went for a run and
ended up at a pub by the canal


OMG - you're a cyclist!


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
geoff wrote:


Tip of the iceberg, tip of the iceberg mate

Sun was shining yesterday, got the bike out and went for a run and
ended up at a pub by the canal


OMG - you're a cyclist!

Err ... right in a technical sense

As in two wheels

that's where the similarity ends

--
geoff

geoff wrote:
In message , The
Medway Handyman writes
geoff wrote:


Tip of the iceberg, tip of the iceberg mate

Sun was shining yesterday, got the bike out and went for a run and
ended up at a pub by the canal


OMG - you're a cyclist!

Err ... right in a technical sense

As in two wheels

that's where the similarity ends

Lycra? If so, I'm going to have to drive to Wotfud & kill you.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
geoff wrote:
In message , The
Medway Handyman writes
geoff wrote:


Tip of the iceberg, tip of the iceberg mate

Sun was shining yesterday, got the bike out and went for a run and
ended up at a pub by the canal


OMG - you're a cyclist!

Err ... right in a technical sense

As in two wheels

that's where the similarity ends

Lycra? If so, I'm going to have to drive to Wotfud & kill you.


Cheeky **** !

--
geoff

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
ARWadsworth wrote:

And use of basic tools is on the decline. Whilst fitting some outside
lights I discovered that my apprentice had never used a socket set in his
life. After showing him I then asked him if he could change a wheel on a
car. The answer was no and so I had to show him. An hour well spent IMHO.

I think that if you want to make the driving test more useful there ought
to be a section on at least knowing how to carry out basic maintenance
like changing a wheel (even if you are not physically capable of doing
it - you ought to be able to instruct someone), checking the oil,
inflating tyres etc.

--
Cheers,

John.

The driving test now asks candidates some questions about car maintainance
and safety

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/PracticalTest/DG_4022540?IdcService=GET_FILE&dID=168395&Renditio n=Web


Adam

On Mon, 4 May 2009 01:32:46 +0100, geoff wrote:

but, to be serving behind a bar and not to even have the first clue as
to how to pull a pint, is beyond my comprehension

Everyone has to start somewhere, maybe it was her first day? However it
doesn't say a lot for the landlord if they haven't at least checked by
demonstration that the newbie can actually do what they say they can.

It seems that the young these days say they can do everything and have
experience but when it come down to it they don't.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , ARWadsworth
writes

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 May 2009 08:17:31 UTC, "John"
wrote:


"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
In article , Tim S
writes

When I were a lad in the 70's, most of the men in our section of our
road,
rightly or wrongly, would do their own DIY, electrics[1], plumbing

we didn't have the nanny state and the likes of Part Pee then.

and at
least basic car servicing.

cars were designed to be user-serviceable then. nowadays you're lucky
if
you can change the oil yourself. Everything else is hidden away
under
plastic covers.


It seems that many can't change a failed brake light bulb - or don't
care.

I told a driver recently that his had gone (why is it always the
nearside
one??) and he replied that his MOT was due in a couple of months time.
Doh!

To be fair, some are really a pain (lots of screws to undo, etc.). It
can be a pain.


Yep. Over 40 minutes to change the OS headlight bulb on my Combo. The tail
lights only take about 30 seconds. There is still no excuse not to change
a
bulb or pay someone to change it for you as soon as possible after you
know
that the bulb has blown.

And use of basic tools is on the decline. Whilst fitting some outside
lights
I discovered that my apprentice had never used a socket set in his life.
After showing him I then asked him if he could change a wheel on a car.
The
answer was no and so I had to show him. An hour well spent IMHO.


Tip of the iceberg, tip of the iceberg mate

Sun was shining yesterday, got the bike out and went for a run and ended
up at a pub by the canal

I asked for a pint of London Pride, the girl behind the bar had to get
someone to show her how to pull a pint

You would be forgiven for not believing it, but its true


--
geoff

Totally believable. And Dennis will now tell you off for having a pint and
then driving a motor vehicle.

Adam

In message et, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Mon, 4 May 2009 01:32:46 +0100, geoff wrote:

but, to be serving behind a bar and not to even have the first clue as
to how to pull a pint, is beyond my comprehension

Everyone has to start somewhere, maybe it was her first day?

No - my wife asked, she had been there three days

behind the bar by herself with no help - she had to shout around the
corner for assistance

Two things there

she should have had at least some training - what would she have done in
an emergency

She could at least have made an attempt to work out what to do

However it
doesn't say a lot for the landlord if they haven't at least checked by
demonstration that the newbie can actually do what they say they can.

It seems that the young these days say they can do everything and have
experience but when it come down to it they don't.


--
geoff

In article , John Rumm
scribeth thus
ARWadsworth wrote:

And use of basic tools is on the decline. Whilst fitting some outside lights
I discovered that my apprentice had never used a socket set in his life.
After showing him I then asked him if he could change a wheel on a car. The
answer was no and so I had to show him. An hour well spent IMHO.

I think that if you want to make the driving test more useful there
ought to be a section on at least knowing how to carry out basic
maintenance like changing a wheel (even if you are not physically
capable of doing it - you ought to be able to instruct someone),
checking the oil, inflating tyres etc.


And add some motorway driving etc..

Won't happen 'tho, will it?..
--
Tony Sayer

In message , ARWadsworth
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , ARWadsworth
writes

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 May 2009 08:17:31 UTC, "John"
wrote:


"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
In article , Tim S
writes

When I were a lad in the 70's, most of the men in our section of our
road,
rightly or wrongly, would do their own DIY, electrics[1], plumbing

we didn't have the nanny state and the likes of Part Pee then.

and at
least basic car servicing.

cars were designed to be user-serviceable then. nowadays you're lucky
if
you can change the oil yourself. Everything else is hidden away
under
plastic covers.


It seems that many can't change a failed brake light bulb - or don't
care.

I told a driver recently that his had gone (why is it always the
nearside
one??) and he replied that his MOT was due in a couple of months time.
Doh!

To be fair, some are really a pain (lots of screws to undo, etc.). It
can be a pain.


Yep. Over 40 minutes to change the OS headlight bulb on my Combo. The tail
lights only take about 30 seconds. There is still no excuse not to change
a
bulb or pay someone to change it for you as soon as possible after you
know
that the bulb has blown.

And use of basic tools is on the decline. Whilst fitting some outside
lights
I discovered that my apprentice had never used a socket set in his life.
After showing him I then asked him if he could change a wheel on a car.
The
answer was no and so I had to show him. An hour well spent IMHO.


Tip of the iceberg, tip of the iceberg mate

Sun was shining yesterday, got the bike out and went for a run and ended
up at a pub by the canal

I asked for a pint of London Pride, the girl behind the bar had to get
someone to show her how to pull a pint

You would be forgiven for not believing it, but its true


--
geoff

Totally believable. And Dennis will now tell you off for having a pint and
then driving a motor vehicle.

I'm sure he would

good job I didn't mention getting up to 32 mph on the way home


--
geoff

Tip of the iceberg, tip of the iceberg mate

Sun was shining yesterday, got the bike out and went for a run and ended
up at a pub by the canal

I asked for a pint of London Pride, the girl behind the bar had to get
someone to show her how to pull a pint

Best let someone who knows what there doing to handle that!..

Loverrly pint when serviced well)...

Had a few at Covent garden the other week .. only £2.25 it was too:!..

You would be forgiven for not believing it, but its true



--
Tony Sayer

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message et, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Mon, 4 May 2009 01:32:46 +0100, geoff wrote:

but, to be serving behind a bar and not to even have the first clue as
to how to pull a pint, is beyond my comprehension

Everyone has to start somewhere, maybe it was her first day?

No - my wife asked, she had been there three days

behind the bar by herself with no help - she had to shout around the
corner for assistance

That would also scare me for different reasons - if the pub isn't shifting
that much of their cask beer, what condition is it in?

On Mon, 04 May 2009 11:55:55 +0100, geoff wrote:

she should have had at least some training - what would she have done in
an emergency

Indeed. She might have pulled the wrong knob and got stout :-)







I'll get me coat ...


--
John Stumbles

I can't stand intolerance

ARWadsworth wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
ARWadsworth wrote:

And use of basic tools is on the decline. Whilst fitting some outside
lights I discovered that my apprentice had never used a socket set in his
life. After showing him I then asked him if he could change a wheel on a
car. The answer was no and so I had to show him. An hour well spent IMHO.
I think that if you want to make the driving test more useful there ought
to be a section on at least knowing how to carry out basic maintenance
like changing a wheel (even if you are not physically capable of doing
it - you ought to be able to instruct someone), checking the oil,
inflating tyres etc.

--
Cheers,

John.

The driving test now asks candidates some questions about car maintainance
and safety

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/PracticalTest/DG_4022540?IdcService=GET_FILE&dID=168395&Renditio n=Web

Fair do; some of it is there.

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Cheers,

John.

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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember geoff saying
something like:

she should have had at least some training - what would she have done in
an emergency

My gawd, suppose someone had asked for a Newky Snakebite.

In article , Grimly
Curmudgeon scribeth thus
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember geoff saying
something like:

she should have had at least some training - what would she have done in
an emergency

My gawd, suppose someone had asked for a Newky Snakebite.

Woss the formula for that then Grimly:?...
--
Tony Sayer

John Rumm wrote:
ARWadsworth wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
ARWadsworth wrote:

And use of basic tools is on the decline. Whilst fitting some
outside lights I discovered that my apprentice had never used a
socket set in his life. After showing him I then asked him if he
could change a wheel on a car. The answer was no and so I had to
show him. An hour well spent IMHO.
I think that if you want to make the driving test more useful there
ought to be a section on at least knowing how to carry out basic
maintenance like changing a wheel (even if you are not physically
capable of doing it - you ought to be able to instruct someone),
checking the oil, inflating tyres etc.


The driving test now asks candidates some questions about car
maintainance and safety

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/PracticalTest/DG_4022540?IdcService=GET_FILE&dID=168395&Renditio n=Web


Fair do; some of it is there.


Hmm. But my 18-year-old daughter managed to pass her test last year.
Nuff said.

David

tony sayer wrote:
In article , Grimly
Curmudgeon scribeth thus
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember geoff saying
something like:

she should have had at least some training - what would she have done in
an emergency
My gawd, suppose someone had asked for a Newky Snakebite.

Woss the formula for that then Grimly:?...

Newky brown and cider one presumes...

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Cheers,

John.

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geoff wrote:
In message ,
ARWadsworth writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message ,
ARWadsworth writes

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 May 2009 08:17:31 UTC, "John"
wrote:


"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
In article , Tim S
writes

When I were a lad in the 70's, most of the men in our section
of our road,
rightly or wrongly, would do their own DIY, electrics[1],
plumbing

we didn't have the nanny state and the likes of Part Pee then.

and at
least basic car servicing.

cars were designed to be user-serviceable then. nowadays you're
lucky if
you can change the oil yourself. Everything else is hidden away
under
plastic covers.


It seems that many can't change a failed brake light bulb - or
don't care.

I told a driver recently that his had gone (why is it always the
nearside
one??) and he replied that his MOT was due in a couple of months
time. Doh!

To be fair, some are really a pain (lots of screws to undo,
etc.). It can be a pain.


Yep. Over 40 minutes to change the OS headlight bulb on my Combo.
The tail lights only take about 30 seconds. There is still no
excuse not to change a
bulb or pay someone to change it for you as soon as possible after
you know
that the bulb has blown.

And use of basic tools is on the decline. Whilst fitting some
outside lights
I discovered that my apprentice had never used a socket set in his
life. After showing him I then asked him if he could change a
wheel on a car. The
answer was no and so I had to show him. An hour well spent IMHO.


Tip of the iceberg, tip of the iceberg mate

Sun was shining yesterday, got the bike out and went for a run and
ended up at a pub by the canal

I asked for a pint of London Pride, the girl behind the bar had to
get someone to show her how to pull a pint

You would be forgiven for not believing it, but its true


--
geoff

Totally believable. And Dennis will now tell you off for having a
pint and then driving a motor vehicle.

I'm sure he would

good job I didn't mention getting up to 32 mph on the way home

That's dreadful. Please spend more time concentrating on the speedometer.

On Fri, 1 May 2009 10:43:39 +0100, "Archie" wrote:


Remind me of the time I was working on the car ignition system. An annoying
lad came over and started touching things and asking questions like Mister,
what are you doing, can I help? I didn't fancy him hovering about when I was
working on the engine so I handed him a pencil and told him to put his thumb
the end and touch that bit there with the other end. That bit was of course
an exposed HT lead and the engine was running. He pulled back so I ask
what's wrong. Nothing says he (probably wondering how he could get a belt
from a pencil) so I asked him to do it again. He did then said he didn't
want to help anymore and went away. Result!

Unfortunately the annoying lad then decided he didn't want to be a car
mechanic and decided to do something else instead. Years later the
whole world would get to know about Fred Goodwin.


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