“Home – there’s no place like it” - www.lovehome.co.uk
Home launches at 9am on Thursday 30th April 2009.

Home (currently known as UKTV Style) will be a new look channel packed
with inspirational home and gardens programming. Other home grown
commissions, such as Celebrity Fantasy Homes with Gaby Roslin, Love The
Place You’re In with Gordon Whistance and Gutted with Mark Durden Smith
will play alongside the phenomenally successful US show Extreme
Makeover: Home Edition and popular series including DIY SOS, Escape To
The Country, and Ground Force. Home promises a welcome refuge with
energetic, stylish and motivating programming that shows viewers how to
enjoy and maximise their space, both inside and out.

Celebrity Fantasy Homes – exclusive to Home

Celebrity Fantasy Homes follows famous house hunters in search of their
dream properties in the UK and abroad. Gaby Roslin (Children in Need,
The Big Breakfast) takes celebrity property hunters David Gest, Lady
Victoria Hervey, Brendon Cole, Lee Sharpe, Sherri Hewson, the Right
Said Fred brothers and Mica Paris to view four prospective properties.
Each programme is dedicated to a different celebrity taking viewers to
fantasy properties spanning London, Spain, Sardinia, the Home Counties,
Windsor and Cambridge.

Live the dream, catch Celebrity Fantasy Homes from Thursday 30th April
at 9pm on Home.

Gutted – exclusive to Home, Mondays at 10am from May 4th

Mark Durden-Smith lifts the lid on Britain’s most cluttered houses and
targets hoarding homeowners in Gutted!

From rooms filled to the rafters with junk or families in desperate
need of extra space, Mark and the team come to the rescue in Gutted.

Families fed up with sharing their space with a load of old tat
nominate an un-suspecting hoarder who gets the fright of their life
when they return home to find all of their worldly possessions missing
and their house stripped bare! Briefly they breathe a sigh of relief
when they learn their belongings are safely stored in a removal van
parked outside. However, to win their possessions back the ‘Guttees’
have to remember everything they own… AND correctly answer a question
about the item…

Home gives viewers and web users a clear destination for all the best
home gardens content and programmes.

All UKTV channels are distributed on Sky and Virgin Media. Dave and
Yesterday are also available on Freeview.




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In article ,
Home style wrote:
All UKTV channels are distributed on Sky and Virgin Media.#

Your description of the progs certainly won't make me rush out to get Sky.

Dave and Yesterday are also available on Freeview.

Be nice if they actually commissioned some progs themselves rather than
just showing repeats of repeats. Needn't be expensive - some sensible DIY
progs could get a niche audience.

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On Apr 28, 5:07 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article ,
Home style wrote:

All UKTV channels are distributed on Sky and Virgin Media.#

Your description of the progs certainly won't make me rush out to get Sky.

Dave and Yesterday are also available on Freeview.

Be nice if they actually commissioned some progs themselves

They do. I wouldn't bother with them.

MBQ

"Home style" wrote in message
. ..

“Home – there’s no place like it” - www.lovehome.co.uk
Home launches at 9am on Thursday 30th April 2009.

Home (currently known as UKTV Style) will be a new look channel packed
with inspirational home and gardens programming. Other home grown
commissions, such as Celebrity Fantasy Homes with Gaby Roslin, Love The

Celebs, chatter and more f****** celebs and chatter . For a paradigm shift,
owz abouts offering us some real craftsmen(persons) doing some real pieces
of high quality work. No f****** celebs, no air brained presenter, no inane
chattering. Just a supportive background commentary.
Won't ever be happening , as you media ******* simply cannot reconcile
something that informs, educates and entertains, to "energetic, stylish and
motivating programming ".

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Home style wrote:
All UKTV channels are distributed on Sky and Virgin Media.#

Your description of the progs certainly won't make me rush out to get Sky.

That fact that Sky is owned by Murdoch is good enough reason not to get
it.

In article ,
john jardine wrote:
Celebs, chatter and more f****** celebs and chatter . For a paradigm
shift, owz abouts offering us some real craftsmen(persons) doing some
real pieces of high quality work. No f****** celebs, no air brained
presenter, no inane chattering. Just a supportive background
commentary. Won't ever be happening , as you media ******* simply cannot
reconcile something that informs, educates and entertains, to
"energetic, stylish and motivating programming ".

Agreed. Given the vast number of channels all showing the same rubbish,
you'd have thought at least one would be after a new audience - and given
how busy this group is it might give a clue. A simple studio based prog
with real craftsmen showing how to do DIY stuff would not be costly to
make. And would appeal to experienced DIYers as well as novices. It's also
something which wouldn't date much so could be shown many times - unlike
'reality' shows. Grand Designs is slightly in that mould - but I'd say
much more expensive to make.

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In message , Home style
writes

€œHome €“ theres no place like it€� - www.lovehome.co.uk
Home launches at 9am on Thursday 30th April 2009.

Repeat after repeat after repeat after effin' repeat

I might just give it a miss




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In article ,
Steve Firth wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Home style wrote:
All UKTV channels are distributed on Sky and Virgin Media.#

Your description of the progs certainly won't make me rush out to get
Sky.

That fact that Sky is owned by Murdoch is good enough reason not to get
it.

Crikey. We agree about something. ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

A simple studio based prog with real craftsmen showing how to do DIY stuff
would not be costly to make. And would appeal to experienced DIYers as
well as novices.

"Tool Time"

There was, a few years ago, a real house makeover program with two
Americans renovating a house somwhere in London. It involved some
serious work, re-roofing, re-wiring, plumbing etc. I thought it was
worth watching because there were no silly artificial deadlines and the
work was done competently with enough explanation to follow and
reproduce it. Sadly gormless TV producers who can only follow the most
basic DIY decided that it was far better to make shows which feature
artificial deadlines and lightweight set makeovers.

Steve Firth wrote:

There was, a few years ago, a real house makeover program with two
Americans renovating a house somwhere in London. It involved some
serious work, re-roofing, re-wiring, plumbing etc. I thought it was
worth watching because there were no silly artificial deadlines and the
work was done competently with enough explanation to follow and
reproduce it. Sadly gormless TV producers who can only follow the most
basic DIY decided that it was far better to make shows which feature
artificial deadlines and lightweight set makeovers.


That sounds like 'This Old House'. They did a series in London some
years back. Was the project a top-floor flat?

S Viemeister wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:

There was, a few years ago, a real house makeover program with two
Americans renovating a house somwhere in London. It involved some
serious work, re-roofing, re-wiring, plumbing etc. I thought it was
worth watching because there were no silly artificial deadlines and the
work was done competently with enough explanation to follow and
reproduce it. Sadly gormless TV producers who can only follow the most
basic DIY decided that it was far better to make shows which feature
artificial deadlines and lightweight set makeovers.


That sounds like 'This Old House'. They did a series in London some
years back. Was the project a top-floor flat?

Yes that sounds like it. Complete roof off job.

"Home style" wrote in message
. ..

"Home - there's no place like it" - www.lovehome.co.uk
Home launches at 9am on Thursday 30th April 2009.

Home (currently known as UKTV Style) will be a new look channel packed
with inspirational home and gardens programming. Other home grown
snipped

More crap.
It just takes longer to search through the channels to find some decent
programmes.

Don
..

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
john jardine wrote:
Celebs, chatter and more f****** celebs and chatter . For a paradigm
shift, owz abouts offering us some real craftsmen(persons) doing some
real pieces of high quality work. No f****** celebs, no air brained
presenter, no inane chattering. Just a supportive background
commentary. Won't ever be happening , as you media ******* simply cannot
reconcile something that informs, educates and entertains, to
"energetic, stylish and motivating programming ".

Agreed. Given the vast number of channels all showing the same rubbish,
you'd have thought at least one would be after a new audience - and given
how busy this group is it might give a clue. A simple studio based prog
with real craftsmen showing how to do DIY stuff would not be costly to
make. And would appeal to experienced DIYers as well as novices. It's also
something which wouldn't date much so could be shown many times - unlike
'reality' shows. Grand Designs is slightly in that mould - but I'd say
much more expensive to make.

Hear hear.

I am sick to death of human interest - look at how pathetic these people
are, and if by chance you find someone competent at anything, they are
obviously too geeky to be of general interest to the great unwashed.

That 'this is how you plaster a wall' U-tube was streets ahead of
anything on any live channel.

Id rather watch training videos than grand designs.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:58:54 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Agreed. Given the vast number of channels all showing the same rubbish,
you'd have thought at least one would be after a new audience - and
given how busy this group is it might give a clue.

Would an audience of say 100,000 be big enough to attract enough
advertising to balance the books? With good informative content the
branded tool makers and less "style" DIY sheds might buy air time. But
where do you get enough high enough quality programming to fill a channel
24/7? Or even 4 hours/day on rolling repeat?

A simple studio based prog with real craftsmen showing how to do DIY
stuff would not be costly to make. And would appeal to experienced
DIYers as well as novices.

It would be a tricky balance but not impossible. And thinking about what
can be involved in even a simple task like putting up a shelf I think
you'd be better off doing it in the real world. I'm thinking of all the
different wall types and the problems they produce. It's no good just
showing how to fix to a plaster/brick wall, you need to show the others
like plasterboard on studs or dot 'n dab, old walls with 2" of bonding to
level them. Even how to tell waht sort of wall you have. Also you need to
take into account the expected loading on the shelf, is it for books or a
few lightweight ornaments?

Grand Designs is slightly in that mould - but I'd say much more
expensive to make.

I should think Grand Designs is actually quite cheap compared to a studio
programme. I doubt very much that 7 days of PSC crew is more than a day of
studio time and with the studio programme you have design and set costs to
add along with item specific costs. Grand Designs is not much more than
showing and reporting something that you aren't paying for.

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Cheers
Dave.

On Apr 28, 10:58*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

'reality' shows. Grand Designs is slightly in that mould - but I'd say
much more expensive to make.

Even GD is so obviously manipulated so that they either choose
clueless ****wits who don't have a clue about managing the project
they've taken on, or there's some disaster or some other issue to give
the programme an "edge".

The first series or two were good. Now, I just think McCloud's a
pretentious pillock.

MBQ

On Apr 29, 7:43*am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
* *john jardine wrote:
Celebs, chatter and more f****** celebs and *chatter . For a paradigm
shift, owz abouts offering us some real craftsmen(persons) doing some
real pieces of high quality work. No f****** celebs, no air brained
presenter, no inane chattering. Just a supportive background
commentary. Won't ever be happening , as you media ******* simply cannot
reconcile something that informs, educates and entertains, to
"energetic, stylish and motivating programming ".

Agreed. Given the vast number of channels all showing the same rubbish,
you'd have thought at least one would be after a new audience - and given
how busy this group is it might give a clue. A simple studio based prog
with real craftsmen showing how to do DIY stuff would not be costly to
make. And would appeal to experienced DIYers as well as novices. It's also
something which wouldn't date much so could be shown many times - unlike
'reality' shows. Grand Designs is slightly in that mould - but I'd say
much more expensive to make.

Hear hear.

I am sick to death of human interest - look at how pathetic these people
are, and if by chance you find someone competent at anything, they are
obviously too geeky to be of general interest to the great unwashed.

That 'this is how you plaster a wall' U-tube was streets ahead of
anything on any live channel.

Id rather watch training videos than grand designs.

Mw too!

On 28 Apr, 23:43, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article ,
* *Steve Firth wrote:

That fact that Sky is owned by Murdoch is good enough reason not to get
it.
Crikey. We agree about something. ;-)

Hitch up your flying pig, there's three of us 8-)

In article et,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
Grand Designs is slightly in that mould - but I'd say much more
expensive to make.

I should think Grand Designs is actually quite cheap compared to a
studio programme. I doubt very much that 7 days of PSC crew is more
than a day of studio time and with the studio programme you have design
and set costs to add along with item specific costs.

Given Grand Designs seem to use the same crew they could be travelling
many hours for each day's shoot. Of which there must be many to cover any
build accurately.

Grand Designs is
not much more than showing and reporting something that you aren't
paying for.

My understanding is a substantial fee is involved.

Studio shoots can be very cost effective if you use the right studio at
the right price and set it up for a longish run. That's why progs like
Hells Kitchen use one.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Grand Designs is
not much more than showing and reporting something that you aren't
paying for.

My understanding is a substantial fee is involved.

Is it? They asked us about filming our work on the house in Italy. The
offer of cash was a drop in the ocean. This was a long time ago, back
before they did a story about the castle in Tuscany. I think researcher
picked us (and several others) up from a web-forum for people renovating
homes in Italy.

In article ,
Steve Firth wrote:
Grand Designs is
not much more than showing and reporting something that you aren't
paying for.

My understanding is a substantial fee is involved.

Is it? They asked us about filming our work on the house in Italy. The
offer of cash was a drop in the ocean. This was a long time ago, back
before they did a story about the castle in Tuscany. I think researcher
picked us (and several others) up from a web-forum for people renovating
homes in Italy.

I've been told 20 grand is the average these days. Of course I've no means
of checking this is accurate. But I do know what is an average fee for
using a house for a day so it doesn't seem out of the range of
possibility. Different from those wank progs showing off what someone has
spent on their house - they'd pay to have it shown.

But if you look carefully at the ones where the owner is on a strict
budget they always end up with some extravagant features which suggests an
injection of capital at the end.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I've been told 20 grand is the average these days.

wheeze That's pretty good. I got about £2000 per day for the TV
appearances that I have made. It depends a bit on the length of the
appearance and the amount of preparation. Sometimes the fee is split
with an amount paid as author and another as interviewee/performer.

Mind you, thinking about the shooting schedule we discussed, £20K would
be a lot less than £2000 per day.

TBH at these rates I'm astonished that anyone other than the big
headline names makes enough to live off TV wages. £2K in a lump sounds
brilliant. Getting £2K every six to nine months less so.

In article
,
Man at B&Q wrote:
'reality' shows. Grand Designs is slightly in that mould - but I'd say
much more expensive to make.

Even GD is so obviously manipulated so that they either choose
clueless ****wits who don't have a clue about managing the project
they've taken on, or there's some disaster or some other issue to give
the programme an "edge".

Wouldn't most unusual projects have a disaster or two?

The first series or two were good. Now, I just think McCloud's a
pretentious pillock.

He certainly likes to point out that thinking you know more about project
management than a pro is fraught with danger.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Steve Firth wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I've been told 20 grand is the average these days.

wheeze That's pretty good. I got about £2000 per day for the TV
appearances that I have made. It depends a bit on the length of the
appearance and the amount of preparation. Sometimes the fee is split
with an amount paid as author and another as interviewee/performer.

Mind you, thinking about the shooting schedule we discussed, £20K would
be a lot less than £2000 per day.

TBH at these rates I'm astonished that anyone other than the big
headline names makes enough to live off TV wages. £2K in a lump sounds
brilliant. Getting £2K every six to nine months less so.

Tell me about it. I get paid quite well when working - but nothing at all
when not. Of course a 'headline' in a paper would give the annual amount
if working 24/7 - rather like they did with plumbers a couple of years ago.

And since I mainly work for ITV I'm looking at a lean year ahead.

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Man at B&Q wrote:

On Apr 28, 10:58*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

'reality' shows. Grand Designs is slightly in that mould - but I'd say
much more expensive to make.

Even GD is so obviously manipulated so that they either choose
clueless ****wits who don't have a clue about managing the project
they've taken on, or there's some disaster or some other issue to give
the programme an "edge".

The first series or two were good. Now, I just think McCloud's a
pretentious pillock.

I think that a lot of it is down to the producer. There was an
episode of DIY SOS where they deconstructed their own style
somewhat, and the important term is" jeopardy". You can't go
into the adverts without it. ;-)

"I'm a bit concerned about this post - is it sufficiently
well-crafted to make its point without professional editing? Only
time will tell."

Ident

Adverts

Ident

Lengthy recap


Chris
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Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

Chris J Dixon wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:

On Apr 28, 10:58 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

'reality' shows. Grand Designs is slightly in that mould - but I'd
say much more expensive to make.

Even GD is so obviously manipulated so that they either choose
clueless ****wits who don't have a clue about managing the project
they've taken on, or there's some disaster or some other issue to
give the programme an "edge".

The first series or two were good. Now, I just think McCloud's a
pretentious pillock.

I think that a lot of it is down to the producer. There was an
episode of DIY SOS where they deconstructed their own style
somewhat, and the important term is" jeopardy". You can't go
into the adverts without it. ;-)

"I'm a bit concerned about this post - is it sufficiently
well-crafted to make its point without professional editing? Only
time will tell."

Ident

Adverts

Ident

Lengthy recap

If they would stop doing the latter, it would be a constructive contribution
to at least maintaining viewing figures. As soon as I've seen one episode of
whatever that has this feature, I do not watch another! There's not much TV
that I can watch!

Clot wrote:

Chris J Dixon wrote:

Lengthy recap

If they would stop doing the latter, it would be a constructive contribution
to at least maintaining viewing figures. As soon as I've seen one episode of
whatever that has this feature, I do not watch another! There's not much TV
that I can watch!

A PVR is worth its weight in gold for this purpose - it can save
hours.

Chris
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Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

On Apr 30, 11:43*am, "Clot" wrote:
Chris J Dixon wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:

On Apr 28, 10:58 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

'reality' shows. Grand Designs is slightly in that mould - but I'd
say much more expensive to make.

Even GD is so obviously manipulated so that they either choose
clueless ****wits who don't have a clue about managing the project
they've taken on, or there's some disaster or some other issue to
give the programme an "edge".

The first series or two were good. Now, I just think McCloud's a
pretentious pillock.

I think that a lot of it is down to the producer. *There was an
episode of DIY SOS where they deconstructed their own style
somewhat, and the important term is" jeopardy". *You can't go
into the adverts without it. *;-)

"I'm a bit concerned about this post - is it sufficiently
well-crafted to make its point without professional editing? Only
time will tell."

Ident

Adverts

Ident

Lengthy recap

If they would stop doing the latter, it would be a constructive contribution
to at least maintaining viewing figures. As soon as I've seen one episode of
whatever that has this feature, I do not watch another! *There's not much TV
that I can watch!

Not as bad as the "New Series" of "one hour" programmes that consist
of 40 mins repeat, 5 mins new footage "revisiting" and 15mins
advertising.

MBQ

Man at B&Q wrote:
On Apr 30, 11:43 am, "Clot" wrote:
Chris J Dixon wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:

On Apr 28, 10:58 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:


Ident

Adverts

Ident

Lengthy recap

If they would stop doing the latter, it would be a constructive
contribution to at least maintaining viewing figures. As soon as
I've seen one episode of whatever that has this feature, I do not
watch another! There's not much TV that I can watch!

Not as bad as the "New Series" of "one hour" programmes that consist
of 40 mins repeat, 5 mins new footage "revisiting" and 15mins
advertising.

Avoided at all costs!

Chris J Dixon wrote:
Clot wrote:

Chris J Dixon wrote:

Lengthy recap

If they would stop doing the latter, it would be a constructive
contribution to at least maintaining viewing figures. As soon as
I've seen one episode of whatever that has this feature, I do not
watch another! There's not much TV that I can watch!

A PVR is worth its weight in gold for this purpose - it can save
hours.


I must get one of those widgets.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Man at B&Q"
saying something like:

Not as bad as the "New Series" of "one hour" programmes that consist
of 40 mins repeat, 5 mins new footage "revisiting" and 15mins
advertising.

When GD does that, I just watch the last ten minutes of it, assuming
it's a project house I was interested in from seeing it first time
round.