Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
|
UK diy (uk.d-i-y) For the discussion of all topics related to diy (do-it-yourself) in the UK. All levels of experience and proficency are welcome to join in to ask questions or offer solutions. |
Reply |
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more
expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? Any opinions? Steve |
#2
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
Mr Sandman wrote:
I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? Any opinions? How may would you like? I can give you at least three. But for a sensible answer I would need to know estimated annual mileage, how long you intend to keep the car, and your driving style. The last at least I cannot possibly know. Andy |
#3
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
Mr Sandman wrote:
I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? Any opinions? Steve Do the sums. And dont forget maintenance.. |
#4
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... Mr Sandman wrote: I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? Any opinions? Steve Do the sums. And dont forget maintenance.. ...and the agricultural sounds, vibrations and performance of a diesel. |
#5
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:17:42 -0000, Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... Mr Sandman wrote: I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? Any opinions? Steve Do the sums. And dont forget maintenance.. ..and the agricultural sounds, vibrations and performance of a diesel. With 170bhp and 400Nm torque, mine performs just fine. Also, motorway cruising at 70-ish, it delivers around 50mpg. |
#6
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:03:14 +0000, Appelation Controlee wrote:
Also, motorway cruising at 70-ish, it delivers around 50mpg. How's that compare to an average petrol car in terms of fuel cost only? I've lost the plot as to what's going on with UK fuel prices these days |
#7
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
Jules wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:03:14 +0000, Appelation Controlee wrote: Also, motorway cruising at 70-ish, it delivers around 50mpg. How's that compare to an average petrol car in terms of fuel cost only? I've lost the plot as to what's going on with UK fuel prices these days Think of it as using about 30% less fuel, but paying 15% more per litre than petrol. Overall, the fuel advantage is about 15%. Servicing a diesel costs less, at least until you need to replace a turbo, diesel cars being more likely to have a turbo than petrol cars. A diesel car costs less to tax than a similar capacity petrol model because of the lower CO2 emissions. However, you can usually get away with a smaller petrol engine for the same performance. A diesel car costs a little more to buy but depreciates less. My last two cars have been diesels but my next will be a petrol. The higher cost of a litre of diesel means that the cost advantage over petrol is a lot less than it used to be, and the driveability is still nowhere near as good. |
#8
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
Appelation Controlee wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:17:42 -0000, Doctor Drivel wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... Mr Sandman wrote: I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? Any opinions? Steve Do the sums. And dont forget maintenance.. ..and the agricultural sounds, vibrations and performance of a diesel. With 170bhp and 400Nm torque, mine performs just fine. Also, motorway cruising at 70-ish, it delivers around 50mpg. try the Jaguar diesel XF.. 40mpg, and smooth as a button.. |
#9
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
try the Jaguar diesel XF.. 40mpg, and smooth as a button.. If you think can get one of those for the price of a Ford Focus 1.4, you are even more stupid than I thought. |
#10
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:17:42 -0000, a certain chimpanzee, "Doctor
Drivel" randomly hit the keyboard and produced: ..and the agricultural sounds, vibrations and performance of a diesel. Yes, that is something in diesel's favour. -- Hugo Nebula "If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this, just how far from the pack have you strayed"? |
#11
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
On 26 Jan, 16:17, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in . net... Mr Sandman wrote: I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? *I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? Any opinions? Steve Do the sums. And dont forget maintenance.. ..and the agricultural sounds, vibrations and performance of a diesel. Clearly you're still stuck in the 20th century |
#12
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"pcb1962" wrote in message ... On 26 Jan, 16:17, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in . net... Mr Sandman wrote: I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? Any opinions? Steve Do the sums. And dont forget maintenance.. ..and the agricultural sounds, vibrations and performance of a diesel. Clearly you're still stuck in the 20th century No!!! Diesels are still just plain expensive crap. And the sound pollution from them too. A street full them makes a hell of a racket. Start one up in the morning and the neighbours wake up. There should be tighter laws on sound pollution of vehicles. |
#13
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"clumsy *******" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote: and the agricultural sounds, vibrations and performance of a diesel. the sound isn't great, the vibrations minimal and the performance more usable as its at lower revs (I'm comparing my BMW 3 series petrol to the diesel version I hire abroad) Stop scraping the barrel. They stink in all aspects. And are expensive to run. |
#14
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"clumsy *******" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote: the sound isn't great, the vibrations minimal and the performance more usable as its at lower revs (I'm comparing my BMW 3 series petrol to the diesel version I hire abroad) Stop scraping the barrel. They stink in all aspects. And are expensive to run. you have possibly made a point about complexity and possible potential repair bills if you buy an older car, the rest is fantasy in my experience. You must in fantasy land to tell yourself such lies and believe them. |
#15
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"clumsy *******" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote: you have possibly made a point about complexity and possible potential repair bills if you buy an older car, the rest is fantasy in my experience. You must in fantasy land to tell yourself such lies and believe them. you are becoming tedious, You mean I am lacing you with pure logic. road tests tell me the Prius is nothing special for fuel consumption. The new Prius is 60mpg mixed. You have been told that many times but it does not sink in. BTW, I hate BMWs and Mercs. I will not have a tattoo to drive one. knobheads cars! Nothing personal. You go on about complex diesels and choose instead one of the most complex modest cars on the road. You have already been told. The Prius is not complex at all. There is less components in it - not even an in-line gearbox. It is just that your mind can't figure it out. |
#16
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:57:59 -0000, a certain chimpanzee, "Mr Sandman"
randomly hit the keyboard and produced: I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? IME diesels give about 40% better MPG than petrol, and with diesel currently about 12p/litre more than petrol, it's still less on fuel costs. However, there are other costs to consider such as the initial purchase price and any additional servicing. The higher your annual mileage the less these are a factor. -- Hugo Nebula "If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this, just how far from the pack have you strayed"? |
#17
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"Hugo Nebula" abuse@localhost wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:57:59 -0000, a certain chimpanzee, "Mr Sandman" randomly hit the keyboard and produced: I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? IME diesels give about 40% better MPG than petrol, In wonderworld they might. and with diesel currently about 12p/litre more than petrol, it's still less on fuel costs. However, there are other costs to consider such as the initial purchase price and any additional servicing. The higher your annual mileage the less these are a factor. Getting better. |
#18
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
Hugo Nebula wrote:
IME diesels give about 40% better MPG than petrol, and with diesel currently about 12p/litre more than petrol, it's still less on fuel costs. However, there are other costs to consider such as the initial purchase price and any additional servicing. The higher your annual mileage the less these are a factor. In mine, I can fill the cabin with a load of junk or bodies (living I should add) and still cruise motorways building speed and overtaking without shifting down gears and taking huge gulps of fuel from the tank. Doing that in the previous petrol car with near the same engine size (2 litre) and laden similary, the acceleration ability in gear is not as good. However, if I were a driver in London (or any of the big cities) running around unladen and wanted a smaller lighter car, the entertainment choice would be petrol - and I'd trash the gearbox, run the traffic lights, flatten someone elses dog, advance 0-60 years in 10 seconds and be in the grave soon after the 11'th. -- Adrian C |
#19
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"Adrian C" wrote in message ... However, if I were a driver in London (or any of the big cities) running around unladen and wanted a smaller lighter car, the entertainment choice would be petrol - and I'd trash the gearbox, Get a Prius as they do not have an in-line gearbox. Brill to drive. |
#20
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
In article ,
Mr Sandman wrote: I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? Any opinions? A little research will give the government fuel consumption figures for each of these models - and although only a guide, is better than an individual saying what their car's mpg is, as consumption is influenced by driving conditions and style. So some simple math will give the comparative fuel costs. You also need to take into account purchase price and likely resale value - ie depreciation. Diesels are generally better than petrol in this respect. -- *Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder... Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
#21
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
On Jan 25, 6:57*pm, "Mr Sandman" wrote:
I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? *I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? Any opinions? Steve http://preview.tinyurl.com/aowyh4 |
#22
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"Man at B&Q" wrote in message ... On Jan 25, 6:57 pm, "Mr Sandman" wrote: I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? Any opinions? Steve http://preview.tinyurl.com/aowyh4 Diesel cars 'take decades to become cost effective' Diesel cars can take decades to provide their owners with financial benefits, according to new research. "According to research by car experts Parker's a BMW 318 diesel could take 28 years to recoup the extra cost." "Buying a diesel Mini could take the driver up to seven years to break even. A Ford Mondeo diesel could take six years." |
#23
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote: "According to research by car experts Parker's a BMW 318 diesel could take 28 years to recoup the extra cost." Did the same article say how long it would take to recover the extra cost of a Prius? No? Wonder why... -- *Virtual reality is its own reward* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
#24
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Drivel wrote: "According to research by car experts Parker's a BMW 318 diesel could take 28 years to recoup the extra cost." Did Pleas eff off you are a plantpot. |
#25
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"clumsy *******" wrote in message ... "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: "According to research by car experts Parker's a BMW 318 diesel could take 28 years to recoup the extra cost." Did the same article say how long it would take to recover the extra cost of a Prius? No? Wonder why... you dont get something for nothing, if you want two lots of power source there's a price to pay in fuel consumption and complexity, which apparently only applies to diesels..... That is right. The Prius is simple - it has fewer components. It doesn't even have an in-line gearbox. The Chevy Volt (electric drive only) promises to be simpler too. |
#26
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote: you dont get something for nothing, if you want two lots of power source there's a price to pay in fuel consumption and complexity, which apparently only applies to diesels..... That is right. The Prius is simple - it has fewer components. It doesn't even have an in-line gearbox. So it replaces the gearbox with electric motors, a battery pack and clever electronics. Nice and simple, that. -- *It's o.k. to laugh during sexŒ.Œ.just don't point! Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
#27
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"clumsy *******" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote: The Prius is simple - it has fewer components. It doesn't even have an in-line gearbox. it has a gearbox, it has regenerative braking, it has two engines, how is this so simple? No in-line gearbox. One engine and one motor. A normal engine has a motor attached to it. The new BMWs use it to stop and star the engine at the lights - like Pirus. For your understanding: Split a powertrain into three modules: 1 petrol motor, 2 gearbox (CVT or otherwise), 3 diff/wheels It is in sequence, 1, 2, 3. Simple. The petrol motor need module 2 because of its poor torque delivery characteristics. An electric motor has modules 1 and 3, eliminating 2, as it can deliver 100% torque to module 3 on start up. Super simple. THE BEST is an electric motor. A Prius has modules 1 and 3, like an electric motor. In module 1 it has an electric and petrol motor. In module 1 it has a mechanism to automatically combine the power/torque of an electric and petrol motor to give the torque delivery characteristics of an electric motor (called a power splitter). Some experimental petrol engines can have modules 1 and 3 only, eliminating 2. This is by automatically varying the valve timing by using solenoid controlled valves. This will deliver the torque to module 3 similar to an electric motor. As with a Prius an auto mechanism is there to present to module 3 torque characteristics like an electric motor. So, no in-line gearbox, gear cogs, or CVT or otherwise in a Prius. The point behind a Pirus is to: - Have no to very low emissions, especially in urban conditions - reduce fuel consumption, and hence emissions Ferdinand Porsche raced (and won) a sort of hybrid in the early 1900s. They were petrol motors - generators - electric motor - diff/wheels. In effect an electric CVT "gearbox", all in-line, where the generator and electric motor replaced a mechanical gearbox/CVT. The generator/electric motor does the same job as a mechanical gearbox/CVT. A Prius does not use this setup at all, it has the two motors in parrallel. The Prius doesn't have an "in-line" transmission (gearbox/CVT). The "clever part" is that is combines the outputs of the electric and petrol motors to give the characteristics of one electric motor, presenting the characteristics of an electric motor to the diff/wheels. Module 3 thinks that its input is an electric motor. |
#28
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:57:59 -0000, "Mr Sandman"
wrote: I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? ICE/Steam hybrid: http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/15/bmw-working-on-steam-gas-hybrid-engine/ -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. See http://improve-usenet.org |
#29
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"Mark" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:57:59 -0000, "Mr Sandman" wrote: I always went for diesel in the past, but now, with it being so much more expensive than petrol, am i better going with petrol instead? I.e. instead of a ford focus 1.8 diesel, buy a 1.4 petrol? ICE/Steam hybrid: http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/15/bmw-working-on-steam-gas-hybrid-engine/ BMW and Merc were working a hydrogen then after spending a fortune dropped it as electric hybrids took over. This steam assist only gives 15% more mpg. Big licks eh!!!! So a 25 mpg car will return 28.75mpg. Payback? Never!! They could get more than that reduction by a lighter body and front wheel drive eliminating heavy rear axles. It is best they start to look at electric hybrids as all electric will be the norm soon. Or maybe the air powered car, which Tata are backing. Tata own Jaguar/Land Rover and Chorus Steel. A big player indeed. http://tinyurl.com/4ooo6v |
#30
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"clumsy *******" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote: They could get more than that reduction by a lighter body and front wheel drive eliminating heavy rear axles. funny Noty funny, just plain wrong. |
#31
Posted to uk.d-i-y
|
|||
|
|||
Petrol or Diesel car?
"clumsy *******" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote: BMW and Merc were working a hydrogen then after spending a fortune dropped it as electric hybrids took over. its still on the BMW website Goes to show what companies they are. |
Reply |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Forum | |||
Petrol contaminated with diesel | UK diy | |||
OT - petrol in diesel car | UK diy | |||
Petrol/diesel/PTO circular saw | UK diy | |||
Petrol in a Diesel car (ooops). | UK diy | |||
Petrol in diesel again! | UK diy |