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Doctor Drivel wrote:


Typically available ones at the time tended to be heavier square drive
pneumatic ones.

Balls!!! The Ryobi was available by then.

As were others, however they were relatively rare.

Hmm they were Available in the UK from mid 2002



it is interesting to note that the cheaper DIY makes have still not
started making them in any noticeable quantity even three years on.


B&Q do a PP whateverjunk one for £39, but cant find it on their web site.


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http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £00. (its only a trifling amount really dear )

Oh OH that's tempting
My brother bought the Panasonic at the beginning of the year in the US,
its
good but quite heavy and bulky.
The makita looks no bigger then my impact driver, which I value it's size
and weight but have always wished you could turn off impact and fit a
chuck.

For £350 now you can.

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
SNIP
If I were starting out, but with my present experience of such
things, I'd buy drills in this order:-

1 Two speed reversing mains drill with a half inch chuck.
2 SDS drill with rotation stop.
3 Good quality cordless.
4 Dremel type 'hobby' drill.
4 Impact driver.

Interesting.

I'd go for;
1. Good quality cordless combi.
2. SDS drill with rotation stop.
3. Impact driver (small), like the TD020E.

I think I would go for:

Decent combi
3 function 2kg SDS
Impact driver (large)
small light weight drill/driver possibly the small mac

Hardly ever use a mains drill, use the SDS with a chuch adaptor. Got a
Dremmel, waste of space, never use it.

Got a mains drill which I never use these days. A small 12V titan drill
that is only very occasionally useful.

I actually possess 14 power drills of various types including two
impact drivers.

You got me beat & I thought I was a tool freak :-)

3 x SDS, 2 x 14.4v, 1 x 12v, 3 x impact driver, 1 x mains, 1 x pillar.

Well if you include the ones I have acquired through no fault of my own,
I think the total is:

2 x mains, 2 x SDS, 1 x gopher screwdriver, 3 x drill driver, 1 x combi,
1 x 18V impact driver, 1 x TD020E, 1 x core drill, 1 x 12V titan, 1 x
pillar drill, 1 x 14.4V angle drill. Not sure whether to include a
concrete breaker in there since it can't actually drill....




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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Got a feeling there is a 4 function Makita as well. (i.e. combi drill
+ impact driver).

Indeed there is - BTP140SFE 18v Li-Ion Cordless Impact Driver

"Combines all the best features of a combi drill driver and an impact
drill!! Powerful, versatile four function power tool to cover a huge
number of drilling & screw driving tasks: impact driver, screwdriver,
power drill & percussion drill - all in one machine. Its features
include a ¼" hex tool holder, variable forward & reverse control speed"

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £350.

For that price you can easily have two excellent quality drills that cover
all those functions - plus the added advantage of having one for drilling
and one for driving when screwing down floorboards, etc.

So buy a pair of them then ;-)

I think that is about what I paid for my 18V combi with 3 batts and
charger, case etc, *and* the 18V ID body only. I very frequently use
them together so would find only having the one tool quite a limitation.

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Doctor Drivel wrote:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £350.

Superb for a tradesman, as less to carry. 3.0Ah Li-ion Batteries, 22
minute charger as well. The only problem is that if it fails you are
screwed, so a 2 kg SDS is needed as it can do most things in clunky way.

Less to carry perhaps, but slower working if much of the work involves
fixing things to walls with plugs and screws.

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Mark wrote:

My brother bought the Panasonic at the beginning of the year in the US, its
good but quite heavy and bulky.
The makita looks no bigger then my impact driver, which I value it's size
and weight but have always wished you could turn off impact and fit a chuck.

You can get small three jaw chucks with a hex mount. Probably can't hold
a bit bigger than 10mm and they wobble a bit, but probably ok for pilot
holes.


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Doctor Drivel wrote:

You should try a decent one then.

In hardish wood? No way. That requires an Impact Driver or high torque
mains drill.

The Makita small Impact Driver? There are lots sub £100.

Makita are not who I expect you were referring to as one of the
"cheaper DIY makes". And you can't really consider the TD020D in the
same league as the full size tools

It is an Impact Driver.

Most of the ones available are still from recognisable brands, rather
than £19.95 specials fresh off the boat from China.

Look around, any around £60-70 are available. The Riyobi is £60-70,

So is a Makita body only.

although bare and many deals of £100 with combi and Impact Drivers are
around.

You seem to be agreeing with me.

The single function drivers can be used as a drill, but they still
are at best a poor substitute (no chuck, no hammer action, no torque
limiter, less resolution on the speed control, poorer bit centring).

Hammer? They drill very well.

Into masonry?

They drill into wood superbly and I use one to drill between joists they
are so short. The light is very handy.

and lousy at masonry, or with a mixing paddle, or a holesaw...

For most drilling it will work fine. There is a hex shaft small chuck
available and using Bosch multi drill bits an Impact Driver will drill
through walls as well. Superb for tradesmen only wanting one tool.

Why would a tradesman only want one tool? Unless you are doing
relatively little drilling and fixing you will work much slower with one
tool than with a pair.

Case in point, I have just been lining my new workshop. 50mm PIR foam
with 1/2" ply cladding. For fixing I have been using 5 1/8" twinthreads.
A long multimaterial 7mm bit in the combi, and a No 3 pozi in the big
ID, I can keep working without any titing about changing from the drill
to the driver

There are loads of jobs I do with my cordless drill that would be
either very difficult or a right PITA to do with an impact driver.

You have not used one in earnest. I rarely use anything but the Impact
Driver these days.

I get the impression you rarely do anything.



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John Rumm wrote:
Yours for a mere £350.

For that price you can easily have two excellent quality drills that
cover all those functions - plus the added advantage of having one for
drilling and one for driving when screwing down floorboards, etc.

So buy a pair of them then ;-)

I think that is about what I paid for my 18V combi with 3 batts and
charger, case etc, *and* the 18V ID body only. I very frequently use
them together so would find only having the one tool quite a limitation.

Well, yes. But the point was would you find the money for these when
starting out your DIY 'career' or use it on other things?
I'd shudder to think how much my lifetime's collection of tools cost.

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
SNIP
If I were starting out, but with my present experience of such
things, I'd buy drills in this order:-

1 Two speed reversing mains drill with a half inch chuck.
2 SDS drill with rotation stop.
3 Good quality cordless.
4 Dremel type 'hobby' drill.
4 Impact driver.

Interesting.

I'd go for;
1. Good quality cordless combi.
2. SDS drill with rotation stop.
3. Impact driver (small), like the TD020E.

I think I would go for:

Decent combi

The Hilti battery hammer drill/driver will replace this and drill/driver.
Especially when using Bosch Multi drill bits.

The new 4 mode Makita may replace them all, except the SDS.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

You should try a decent one then.

In hardish wood? No way. That requires an Impact Driver or high torque
mains drill.

The Makita small Impact Driver? There are lots sub £100.

Makita are not who I expect you were referring to as one of the "cheaper
DIY makes". And you can't really consider the TD020D in the same league
as the full size tools

It is an Impact Driver.

Most of the ones available are still from recognisable brands, rather
than £19.95 specials fresh off the boat from China.

Look around, any around £60-70 are available. The Riyobi is £60-70,

So is a Makita body only.

although bare and many deals of £100 with combi and Impact Drivers are
around.

You seem to be agreeing with me.

The single function drivers can be used as a drill, but they still are
at best a poor substitute (no chuck, no hammer action, no torque
limiter, less resolution on the speed control, poorer bit centring).

Hammer? They drill very well.

Into masonry?

They drill into wood superbly and I use one to drill between joists they
are so short. The light is very handy.

and lousy at masonry,

I used one with a Bosch multi and click in chuck. The Impacr Drivwer worked
fine in masonry.

or with a mixing paddle,

A specialist low speed drill for that.

or a holesaw...

With click in chuck it can do that as well.

For most drilling it will work fine. There is a hex shaft small chuck
available and using Bosch multi drill bits an Impact Driver will drill
through walls as well. Superb for tradesmen only wanting one tool.

Why would a tradesman only want one tool?

They dobn't like carrying around lots of tools.

Unless you are doing relatively little drilling and fixing you will work
much slower with one tool than with a pair.

It depends on what the tradesman's job is.

Case in point, I have just been lining my new workshop. 50mm PIR foam with
1/2" ply cladding. For fixing I have been using 5 1/8" twinthreads. A long
multimaterial 7mm bit in the combi, and a No 3 pozi in the big ID, I can
keep working without any titing about changing from the drill to the
driver

Use screws that do not require pilot holes.

There are loads of jobs I do with my cordless drill that would be either
very difficult or a right PITA to do with an impact driver.

You have not used one in earnest. I rarely use anything but the Impact
Driver these days.

I get the impression you rarely do anything.

What I do is not how you would do it for sure. I do it the easy and quick
way, with quality results.

John Rumm wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £350.

Superb for a tradesman, as less to carry. 3.0Ah Li-ion Batteries, 22
minute charger as well. The only problem is that if it fails you are
screwed, so a 2 kg SDS is needed as it can do most things in clunky
way.

Less to carry perhaps, but slower working if much of the work involves
fixing things to walls with plugs and screws.

Agreed, nice idea and no doubt it has its place, but a combi with a drill
bit & a driver for the screws is the way to go when fixing.


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Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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John Rumm wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £350.

Superb for a tradesman, as less to carry. 3.0Ah Li-ion Batteries, 22
minute charger as well. The only problem is that if it fails you are
screwed, so a 2 kg SDS is needed as it can do most things in clunky
way.

Less to carry perhaps, but slower working if much of the work involves
fixing things to walls with plugs and screws.

Agreed, nice idea and no doubt it has its place, but a combi with a drill
bit & a driver for the screws is the way to go when fixing.

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most things.

Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message om...
John Rumm wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £350.

Superb for a tradesman, as less to carry. 3.0Ah Li-ion Batteries,
22 minute charger as well. The only problem is that if it fails
you are screwed, so a 2 kg SDS is needed as it can do most things
in clunky way.

Less to carry perhaps, but slower working if much of the work
involves fixing things to walls with plugs and screws.

Agreed, nice idea and no doubt it has its place, but a combi with a
drill bit & a driver for the screws is the way to go when fixing.

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most things.

Like drilling holes as rough as a badgers arse....

Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with a
hacksaw...


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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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John Rumm wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £350.

Superb for a tradesman, as less to carry. 3.0Ah Li-ion Batteries,
22 minute charger as well. The only problem is that if it fails
you are screwed, so a 2 kg SDS is needed as it can do most things
in clunky way.

Less to carry perhaps, but slower working if much of the work
involves fixing things to walls with plugs and screws.

Agreed, nice idea and no doubt it has its place, but a combi with a
drill bit & a driver for the screws is the way to go when fixing.

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most things.

Like drilling holes as rough as a badgers arse....

Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did you? You
have been going around buying all sorts of needless expensive tools.

Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with a
hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim off and
perfect.

Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message om...
Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message om...
John Rumm wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £350.

Superb for a tradesman, as less to carry. 3.0Ah Li-ion Batteries,
22 minute charger as well. The only problem is that if it fails
you are screwed, so a 2 kg SDS is needed as it can do most things
in clunky way.

Less to carry perhaps, but slower working if much of the work
involves fixing things to walls with plugs and screws.

Agreed, nice idea and no doubt it has its place, but a combi with a
drill bit & a driver for the screws is the way to go when fixing.

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most things.

Like drilling holes as rough as a badgers arse....

Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did
you? You have been going around buying all sorts of needless
expensive tools.
Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with a
hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim off
and perfect.

My case rests....


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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message om...
John Rumm wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £350.

Superb for a tradesman, as less to carry. 3.0Ah Li-ion Batteries,
22 minute charger as well. The only problem is that if it fails
you are screwed, so a 2 kg SDS is needed as it can do most things
in clunky way.

Less to carry perhaps, but slower working if much of the work
involves fixing things to walls with plugs and screws.

Agreed, nice idea and no doubt it has its place, but a combi with a
drill bit & a driver for the screws is the way to go when fixing.

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most things.

Like drilling holes as rough as a badgers arse....

Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did
you? You have been going around buying all sorts of needless
expensive tools.
Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with a
hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim off
and perfect.

My case rests....

Says the handyman - jack of all, master of none. My case rests.

Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £350.

Superb for a tradesman, as less to carry. 3.0Ah Li-ion
Batteries, 22 minute charger as well. The only problem is that
if it fails you are screwed, so a 2 kg SDS is needed as it can
do most things in clunky way.

Less to carry perhaps, but slower working if much of the work
involves fixing things to walls with plugs and screws.

Agreed, nice idea and no doubt it has its place, but a combi
with a drill bit & a driver for the screws is the way to go when
fixing.

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most things.

Like drilling holes as rough as a badgers arse....

Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did
you? You have been going around buying all sorts of needless
expensive tools.
Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with a
hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim
off and perfect.

My case rests....
Says the handyman - jack of all, master of none. My case rests.

From the manufacturers website;

"Do not use a hacksaw to cut Hep2O pipe".

******.


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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John Rumm wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £350.

Superb for a tradesman, as less to carry. 3.0Ah Li-ion Batteries, 22
minute charger as well. The only problem is that if it fails you are
screwed, so a 2 kg SDS is needed as it can do most things in clunky
way.

Less to carry perhaps, but slower working if much of the work involves
fixing things to walls with plugs and screws.

Agreed, nice idea and no doubt it has its place, but a combi with a
drill bit & a driver for the screws is the way to go when fixing.

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most things.

There is a big difference between "can", and desirable or for that
matter efficient. Yes you could do it with a four function machine, but
it will be quicker with two separate ones.

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In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Agreed, nice idea and no doubt it has its place, but a combi with a
drill bit & a driver for the screws is the way to go when fixing.

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most things.

Using multi drills *any* drill is fine for most things.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did you?
You have been going around buying all sorts of needless expensive tools.

Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with a
hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim off
and.

Indeed. As your local fire brigade will confirm after pumping out the area.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Mark wrote:

My brother bought the Panasonic at the beginning of the year in the US,
its
good but quite heavy and bulky.
The makita looks no bigger then my impact driver, which I value it's size
and weight but have always wished you could turn off impact and fit a
chuck.

You can get small three jaw chucks with a hex mount. Probably can't hold a
bit bigger than 10mm and they wobble a bit, but probably ok for pilot
holes.


yes and Bum, Iv just realised that the makita doesn't come with a
quick-change chuck like the Panasonic, I can live without having to buy
wobbly hex drills or equally wobbly hex chucks as an afterthought.

As far as cost goes the Panasonic was only about £140, (exchange rate was
admittedly better then)







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Doctor Drivel wrote:

and lousy at masonry,

I used one with a Bosch multi and click in chuck. The Impacr Drivwer
worked fine in masonry.

FSVO masonry. The multimaterial bits are good, but they don't hammer
themselves.

or with a mixing paddle,

A specialist low speed drill for that.

Oh dear, what is the tradesman meant to do... take two drill into the
job now? Consistent as ever I see.

or a holesaw...

With click in chuck it can do that as well.

A paddle and most holesaw arbours require 13mm chucks...

For most drilling it will work fine. There is a hex shaft small chuck
available and using Bosch multi drill bits an Impact Driver will
drill through walls as well. Superb for tradesmen only wanting one
tool.

Why would a tradesman only want one tool?

They dobn't like carrying around lots of tools.

Just the mixing drill and the ID then...

BTW, you were elected spokesman for "tradesmen" when exactly?

Unless you are doing relatively little drilling and fixing you will
work much slower with one tool than with a pair.

It depends on what the tradesman's job is.

Yes... perhaps that would come under the classification of "Unless you
are doing relatively little drilling and fixing"

Case in point, I have just been lining my new workshop. 50mm PIR foam
with 1/2" ply cladding. For fixing I have been using 5 1/8"
twinthreads. A long multimaterial 7mm bit in the combi, and a No 3
pozi in the big ID, I can keep working without any titing about
changing from the drill to the driver

Use screws that do not require pilot holes.

Who mentioned pilot holes? One drills through the ply and the insulation
as it is the shortest distance to the masonry behind it. You can then
tap a brown plug through the ply and insulation, and into the brickwork
with the long screw, before driving it the last 40mm with your other
screw driving appliance.

Yup, I could do it with one drill (although I would not choose an ID
unless it also had hammer - otherwise I would spend ages drilling the
holes when I hit a hard brick even with the decent drill bit), but it
would be harder and slower going. Often you want to get one fixing in
before adjusting final position. The prospect of having to fiddle about
changing from chuck to screwdriver with one hand, while supporting an
8x4 sheet with the other does not appeal.

There are loads of jobs I do with my cordless drill that would be
either very difficult or a right PITA to do with an impact driver.

You have not used one in earnest. I rarely use anything but the
Impact Driver these days.

I get the impression you rarely do anything.

What I do is not how you would do it for sure. I do it the easy and
quick way, with quality results.

That I can believe...

we can insert our own choice of word prior to "quality" I presume.



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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most
things.

Like drilling holes as rough as a badgers arse....

Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did
you? You have been going around buying all sorts of needless
expensive tools.
Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with
a hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim
off and perfect.

My case rests....
Says the handyman - jack of all, master of none. My case rests.

From the manufacturers website;

"Do not use a hacksaw to cut Hep2O pipe".

******.

You CAN use a hacksaw as long as the pipe end is square, burr free and
trimmed off. What is needed is a bur free, square pipe end. How you
do it is irrelevant. This takes skill of which you are devoid of in
pipework being an total amateur.


So you know more about it than the people who invented it?


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did you?
You have been going around buying all sorts of needless expensive tools.

Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with a
hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim off
and.

Indeed.

Please eff off you are a plantpot.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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John Rumm wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/pr...ails/btp140sfe

Yours for a mere £350.

Superb for a tradesman, as less to carry. 3.0Ah Li-ion Batteries, 22
minute charger as well. The only problem is that if it fails you are
screwed, so a 2 kg SDS is needed as it can do most things in clunky
way.

Less to carry perhaps, but slower working if much of the work involves
fixing things to walls with plugs and screws.

Agreed, nice idea and no doubt it has its place, but a combi with a
drill bit & a driver for the screws is the way to go when fixing.

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most things.

There is a big difference between "can", and desirable or for that matter
efficient. Yes you could do it with a four function machine, but it will
be quicker with two separate ones.

You can do it with one standard Impact Driver.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did
you? You have been going around buying all sorts of needless
expensive tools.

Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with a
hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim off
and.

Indeed. As your local fire brigade will confirm after pumping out the
area.

That would be an imaginary fire brigade Dave, pumping out imaginary water -
obviously the idiot has no practical experience, he dreams it al up.


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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
Agreed, nice idea and no doubt it has its place, but a combi with a
drill bit & a driver for the screws is the way to go when fixing.

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most things.

Using

You must eff off as you are a plantpot.

In article ,
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did
you? You have been going around buying all sorts of needless
expensive tools.

Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with a
hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim off
and.

Indeed. As your local fire brigade will confirm after pumping out the
area.

That would be an imaginary fire brigade Dave, pumping out imaginary
water - obviously the idiot has no practical experience, he dreams it
al up.

Heh heh - don't you remember his post? One of the few where he was telling
the truth? And went on about flooding a house after he'd used a hacksaw to
make a joint in plastic pipe. Laugh? I very nearly bought a round.

The real laugh is it can be done - if you have basic skills and patience.

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Doctor Drivel wrote:
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Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most
things.

Like drilling holes as rough as a badgers arse....

Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did
you? You have been going around buying all sorts of needless
expensive tools.
Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with
a hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim
off and perfect.

My case rests....
Says the handyman - jack of all, master of none. My case rests.

From the manufacturers website;

"Do not use a hacksaw to cut Hep2O pipe".

******.

You CAN use a hacksaw as long as the pipe end is square, burr free and
trimmed off. What is needed is a bur free, square pipe end. How you
do it is irrelevant. This takes skill of which you are devoid of in
pipework being an total amateur.


So you know more about it than the people who invented it?

I used a hacksaw to do my plastic pipe 27 years ago, it is still there doing
its job.
You do use a Stanley knife to trim it of course.

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most
things.

Like drilling holes as rough as a badgers arse....

Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did
you? You have been going around buying all sorts of needless
expensive tools.
Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with
a hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim
off and perfect.

My case rests....
Says the handyman - jack of all, master of none. My case rests.

From the manufacturers website;

"Do not use a hacksaw to cut Hep2O pipe".

******.

You CAN use a hacksaw as long as the pipe end is square, burr free and
trimmed off. What is needed is a bur free, square pipe end. How you
do it is irrelevant. This takes skill of which you are devoid of in
pipework being an total amateur.

So you know more about it than the people who invented it?

What didn't you understand what I wrote?

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message om...

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most
things.

Like drilling holes as rough as a badgers arse....

Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did
you? You have been going around buying all sorts of needless
expensive tools.
Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with
a hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim
off and perfect.

My case rests....
Says the handyman - jack of all, master of none. My case rests.

From the manufacturers website;

"Do not use a hacksaw to cut Hep2O pipe".

******.

You CAN use a hacksaw as long as the pipe end is square, burr free and
trimmed off. What is needed is a bur free, square pipe end. How you
do it is irrelevant. This takes skill of which you are devoid of in
pipework being an total amateur.


So you know more about it than the people who invented it?

I used a hacksaw to do my plastic pipe 27 years ago, it is still there
doing its job.
You do use a Stanley knife to trim it of course.

Yep. even with makers cutters you need to as they one dnagerous nick. Hence
why Monument inveted a rotary plastic pipe cutter.

Snips are quicker of course, but are still not perfect.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did
you? You have been going around buying all sorts of needless
expensive tools.

Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with a
hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim off
and.

Indeed. As your local fire brigade will confirm after pumping out the
area.

That would be an imaginary fire brigade Dave, pumping out imaginary
water - obviously the idiot has no practical experience, he dreams it al
up.

You are a ****ing idiot!! A know-it-all handyman. My God they know all the
answers. Best you read what I write and take note, for your own good. You
and the thick Jocko dope deserve each other. Do you put pumps on one tap as
well?

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know did
you? You have been going around buying all sorts of needless
expensive tools.

Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O with a
hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times, trim off
and.

Indeed. As your local fire brigade will confirm after pumping out the
area.

That would be an imaginary fire brigade Dave, pumping out imaginary
water - obviously the idiot has no practical experience, he dreams it
al up.

Heh

Eff off you are a total plantpot. ****ing idiot!!! How many pumps do you on
your taps?

Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most
things.

Like drilling holes as rough as a badgers arse....

Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know
did you? You have been going around buying all sorts of
needless expensive tools.
Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O
with a hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times,
trim off and perfect.

My case rests....
Says the handyman - jack of all, master of none. My case rests.

From the manufacturers website;

"Do not use a hacksaw to cut Hep2O pipe".

******.

You CAN use a hacksaw as long as the pipe end is square, burr free
and trimmed off. What is needed is a bur free, square pipe end.
How you do it is irrelevant. This takes skill of which you are
devoid of in pipework being an total amateur.

So you know more about it than the people who invented it?

What didn't you understand what I wrote?

Most of it. It was written by a complete ****.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Doctor Drivel wrote:

How many pumps do you on your taps?

Pumps? Size 9?


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Doctor Drivel wrote:

Do you put pumps on one tap as well?

Pumps? Size 9?

WTF are you on about?


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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Doctor Drivel wrote:

How many pumps do you on your taps?

Pumps? Size 9?

Sweaty one as well./

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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message om...

Using Bosch Multi drill bits the Impact Driver can do most
things.

Like drilling holes as rough as a badgers arse....

Its meant for driving bolts & screws, not drilling FFS.

Er, no. It is meant for limited drilling too. You didn't know
did you? You have been going around buying all sorts of
needless expensive tools.
Yes you can drill with them, just like you caould cut Hep2O
with a hacksaw...

You can cut Hep2O with a hacksaw. I have done it many times,
trim off and perfect.

My case rests....
Says the handyman - jack of all, master of none. My case rests.

From the manufacturers website;

"Do not use a hacksaw to cut Hep2O pipe".

******.

You CAN use a hacksaw as long as the pipe end is square, burr free
and trimmed off. What is needed is a bur free, square pipe end.
How you do it is irrelevant. This takes skill of which you are
devoid of in pipework being an total amateur.

So you know more about it than the people who invented it?

What didn't you understand what I wrote?

Most of it. It was written by a complete ****.

Bur read by a moronic idiot.

Doctor Drivel wrote:

So you know more about it than the people who invented it?

What didn't you understand what I wrote?

Most of it. It was written by a complete ****.

Bur read by a moronic idiot.

A moronic idiot who can actually write English properly. "Bur"? FFS.


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Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

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Doctor Drivel wrote:
That would be an imaginary fire brigade Dave, pumping out imaginary
water - obviously the idiot has no practical experience, he dreams it
al up.

Heh

Eff off you are a total plantpot. ****ing idiot!!! How many pumps do
you on your taps?

You really shouldn't get so worked up, pet. Go back to your doctor and get
him to increase your medication. And stay off the sauce.

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