well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do nothing. Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy the way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks

"Sarah" wrote in message
...
well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do nothing.
Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy the way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to
store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks



Not going into the what and how routine,but if you do get surveilance
equipment I suggest you don't let it be visible or let ANYONE know you have
it...otherwise they will give you more grief than the norm as problem
neighbours hate that sort of thing and will do their uttermost to get shut
of it.

On 28 Aug, 12:25, "George" wrote:
"Sarah" wrote in message

...



well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do nothing.
Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy the way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to
store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks

Not going into the what and how routine,but if you do get surveilance
equipment I suggest you don't let it be visible or let ANYONE know you have
it...otherwise they will give you more grief than the norm as problem
neighbours hate that sort of thing and will do their uttermost to get shut
of it.

Beware also that you may get into trouble with the constabulary over a
totally mythical "law" that it is illegal to take photographs of
children. BTDTGTTS.

Chris

On 28 Aug, 11:55, wrote:
On 28 Aug, 12:25, "George" wrote:





"Sarah" wrote in message

...

well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do nothing.
Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy the way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to
store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks

Not going into the what and how routine,but if you do get surveilance
equipment I suggest you don't let it be visible or let ANYONE know you have
it...otherwise they will give you more grief than the norm as problem
neighbours hate that sort of thing and will do their uttermost to get shut
of it.

Beware also that you may get into trouble with the constabulary over a
totally mythical "law" that it is illegal to take photographs of
children. BTDTGTTS.

Chris- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not sure about that but I had reason to look into
the legality of CCTV for surveillance.

It is apparently a good idea to register your use of
such equipment if you have specific individuals in
mind.

Presumably otherwise the filmed ones might have
grounds for prosecuting you.

I'm not sure about that but I had reason to look into
the legality of CCTV for surveillance.

It is apparently a good idea to register your use of
such equipment if you have specific individuals in
mind.

Presumably otherwise the filmed ones might have
grounds for prosecuting you.

Can I sue our local authority and private firms who have cctv for filming me
then?
Seems very one sided (again).
Brad

On 28 Aug, 13:03, "BRAD" wrote:
I'm not sure about that but I had reason to look into
the legality of CCTV for surveillance.

It is apparently a good idea to register your use of
such equipment if you have specific individuals in
mind.

Presumably otherwise the filmed ones might have
grounds for prosecuting you.

Can I sue our local authority and private firms who have cctv for filming me
then?
Seems very one sided (again).
Brad

Are you a specific target?

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:03:41 +0100, "BRAD"
wrote:



I'm not sure about that but I had reason to look into
the legality of CCTV for surveillance.

It is apparently a good idea to register your use of
such equipment if you have specific individuals in
mind.

Presumably otherwise the filmed ones might have
grounds for prosecuting you.

Can I sue our local authority and private firms who have cctv for filming me
then?
Seems very one sided (again).

Try reading what he wrote.

The important part is "if you have specific individuals in mind".

Not that they would be able to sue you anyhow.

*IF* you are using CCTV targeted on specific individuals or manually
controlled so as to track specific individuals *and* you do not have a
DPA registration covering it, then you *could* be in trouble with the
Information Commissioner if somebody reports you to him.

All the local authority and corporate CCTV systems will certainly be
covered by DPA registrations.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Disinformation is not as good as datinformation.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

"Ariadne" wrote in message
...
On 28 Aug, 11:55, wrote:
On 28 Aug, 12:25, "George" wrote:





"Sarah" wrote in message

...

well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours
from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose
and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do
nothing.
Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they
siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching
your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy
the way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant
to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to
store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks

Not going into the what and how routine,but if you do get surveilance
equipment I suggest you don't let it be visible or let ANYONE know you
have
it...otherwise they will give you more grief than the norm as problem
neighbours hate that sort of thing and will do their uttermost to get
shut
of it.

Beware also that you may get into trouble with the constabulary over a
totally mythical "law" that it is illegal to take photographs of
children. BTDTGTTS.

Chris- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not sure about that but I had reason to look into
the legality of CCTV for surveillance.

It is apparently a good idea to register your use of
such equipment if you have specific individuals in
mind.

Presumably otherwise the filmed ones might have
grounds for prosecuting you.



No Disrespect,

Rubbish.

"Micky Savage" wrote in message
...

"Ariadne" wrote in message
...
On 28 Aug, 11:55, wrote:
On 28 Aug, 12:25, "George" wrote:





"Sarah" wrote in message

...

well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside
neighbours
from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose
and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do
nothing.
Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they
siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly
watching
your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy
the way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant
to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need
to
store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks

Not going into the what and how routine,but if you do get surveilance
equipment I suggest you don't let it be visible or let ANYONE know
you
have
it...otherwise they will give you more grief than the norm as problem
neighbours hate that sort of thing and will do their uttermost to get
shut
of it.

Beware also that you may get into trouble with the constabulary over a
totally mythical "law" that it is illegal to take photographs of
children. BTDTGTTS.

Chris- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not sure about that but I had reason to look into
the legality of CCTV for surveillance.

It is apparently a good idea to register your use of
such equipment if you have specific individuals in
mind.

Presumably otherwise the filmed ones might have
grounds for prosecuting you.



No Disrespect,

Rubbish.




But Gareth Crossman from Liberty said: " Not many people know that if their
camera looks onto public or a neighbour's property they are bound by the
data protection act and they must comply with some very severe
restrictions."

The police, too, say CCTV cameras need to be used properly - otherwise they
may not be able to be used in evidence , and their images could be
challenged in court.

On 28 Aug, 13:11, "Micky Savage" wrote:
"Ariadne" wrote in message

...





On 28 Aug, 11:55, wrote:
On 28 Aug, 12:25, "George" wrote:

"Sarah" wrote in message

...

well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours
from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose
and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do
nothing.
Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they
siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching
your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy
the way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant
to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to
store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks

Not going into the what and how routine,but if you do get surveilance
equipment I suggest you don't let it be visible or let ANYONE know you
have
it...otherwise they will give you more grief than the norm as problem
neighbours hate that sort of thing and will do their uttermost to get
shut
of it.

Beware also that you may get into trouble with the constabulary over a
totally mythical "law" that it is illegal to take photographs of
children. BTDTGTTS.

Chris- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not sure about that but I had reason to look into
the legality of CCTV for surveillance.

It is apparently a good idea to register your use of
such equipment if you have specific individuals in
mind.

Presumably otherwise the filmed ones might have
grounds for prosecuting you.

No Disrespect,

Rubbish.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Returned!

In article
,
Ariadne wrote:
I'm not sure about that but I had reason to look into
the legality of CCTV for surveillance.

It is apparently a good idea to register your use of
such equipment if you have specific individuals in
mind.

Presumably otherwise the filmed ones might have
grounds for prosecuting you.

If the camera was covering any part of their property, do you mean? Which
is probably would have to - to catch kids kicking balls at windows etc.

--
*I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 28 Aug, 16:09, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
* *Ariadne wrote:

I'm not sure about that but I had reason to look into
the legality of CCTV for surveillance.
It is apparently a good idea to register your use of
such equipment if you have specific individuals in
mind.
Presumably otherwise the filmed ones might have
grounds for prosecuting you.

If the camera was covering any part of their property, do you mean? Which
is probably would have to *- to catch kids kicking balls at windows etc..

--
*I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow *

* * Dave Plowman * * * * * * * * London SW
* * * * * * * * * To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Maybe I need to explain why I became interested
in CCTV cameras. Drugs traffickers moved in
next door to me and committed quite a few crimes
involving theft and damage to my property. Further
damage was caused in Drugs Squad raids since a
likely hiding place to the police was my garden and
I do think that at first the traffickers did hide drugs
in my garden.

On one occasion when my car was damaged
maliciously a policeman I spoke to asked if
there were CCTV cameras in the vicinity. There
was one only and it poked out of the drugs traffickers'
window! They didn't own the property and in fact
occupied an upper storey flat but they could certainly
survey quite a large area and vehicles on a busy road.

I was furious also to be spied on by this scum but
there was nothing I could do about it.

I really don't know about children. But it seems common
sense to me that a camera restricted to the ground
you own is reasonable. And why not register it if you
aren't using it to see the police coming.

On 28 Aug, 12:55, Ariadne wrote:
On 28 Aug, 11:55, wrote:





On 28 Aug, 12:25, "George" wrote:

"Sarah" wrote in message

...

well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do nothing.
Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy the way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to
store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks

Not going into the what and how routine,but if you do get surveilance
equipment I suggest you don't let it be visible or let ANYONE know you have
it...otherwise they will give you more grief than the norm as problem
neighbours hate that sort of thing and will do their uttermost to get shut
of it.

Beware also that you may get into trouble with the constabulary over a
totally mythical "law" that it is illegal to take photographs of
children. BTDTGTTS.

Chris- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not sure about that but I had reason to look into
the legality of CCTV for surveillance.

It is apparently a good idea to register your use of
such equipment if you have specific individuals in
mind.

Presumably otherwise the filmed ones might have
grounds for prosecuting you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Only a business needs to do that, not a member of the public, although
the police once hinted to a friend that he did, because they wanted to
know where the camera were, so that they didn'r get caught out!

Sarah wrote:
well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do nothing. Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy the way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks


One of these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...21498&DOY=28m8

Up to 4 of these:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?...0CCD%20Cameras


Plug into home pc (which must be switched on 24/7!).

Might also want a bigger HD to store more stuff (when HD nearly full, it
wipes oldest stuff automatically).


Gives you a timelapse/movement system which will record every sniff the
neighbours make.

If you have a internet connection, can also view live footage from
anywhere in the world.

"Blah" wrote in message
...
Sarah wrote:
well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours
from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose and
at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do nothing.
Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching
your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy the
way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to
store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks


One of these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...21498&DOY=28m8

Up to 4 of these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?...28m8&MenuN am
e=Wired%20CCD%20Cameras


Plug into home pc (which must be switched on 24/7!).

Might also want a bigger HD to store more stuff (when HD nearly full, it
wipes oldest stuff automatically).


Gives you a timelapse/movement system which will record every sniff the
neighbours make.

If you have a internet connection, can also view live footage from
anywhere in the world.






Damn, you shop dearly...ever thought of buying on ebay for a fraction of the
cost of maplins,after all maplins probably get their surveillance equipment
from HonkKong too. :-)

George wrote:
"Blah" wrote in message





Damn, you shop dearly...ever thought of buying on ebay for a fraction of the
cost of maplins,after all maplins probably get their surveillance equipment
from HonkKong too. :-)



Got three Maplins within spitting distance - can decide to do something,
buy it, install it and be back in the office within 30 mins.(1)

Ebay and Hong Kong doesn't cut it in this case!

1) And sometimes you need to work fast, some f*cker cut the lead to one
of my works camera and I had it replaced immediately, b4 anything else
could be attacked.

On 28 Aug, 11:33, "George" wrote:
"Blah" wrote in message

...



Sarah wrote:
well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours
from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose and
at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do nothing.
Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching
your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy the
way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to
store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks

One of these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...21498&DOY=28m8

Up to 4 of these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?...nu=y&doy=28m8&...
e=Wired%20CCD%20Cameras







Plug into home pc (which must be switched on 24/7!).

Might also want a bigger HD to store more stuff (when HD nearly full, it
* wipes oldest stuff automatically).

Gives you a timelapse/movement system which will record every sniff the
neighbours make.

If you have a internet connection, can also view live footage from
anywhere in the world.

Damn, you shop dearly...ever thought of buying on ebay for a fraction of the
cost of maplins,after all maplins probably get their surveillance equipment
from HonkKong too. :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maplins sell the Swann brand of CCTV equipment. Beware the cameras.
They look impressive but are faitly useless quality at any sort of
range. For example, number plates in a car park are unrecognizable.
The spec may be high, but the lenses are crap.

Turk182

In article ,
Turk182 writes:
Maplins sell the Swann brand of CCTV equipment. Beware the cameras.
They look impressive but are faitly useless quality at any sort of
range. For example, number plates in a car park are unrecognizable.
The spec may be high, but the lenses are crap.

Also, I've found the outdoor ones not to be very waterproof, although
designed as such. Also, the interlaced scan makes rather a mess of moving
images if you want to collect stills from them. (I did spend some time
with photoshop sliding the alterate scan lines together enough for the
police to recognise a suspect already known to them, but that would have
been no good as evidence.)

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

"Blah" wrote in message
...

One of these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...21498&DOY=28m8


Nah, one of these and a cheap disk..
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...nce&doy= 28m8


Up to 4 of these:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?...0CCD%20Cameras


Plug into home pc (which must be switched on 24/7!).

No need for a pc.

dennis@home wrote:


"Blah" wrote in message
...

One of these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...21498&DOY=28m8


Nah, one of these and a cheap disk..
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...nce&doy= 28m8

No Hard drive included, no monitor, no remote playback





Up to 4 of these:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?...0CCD%20Cameras



Plug into home pc (which must be switched on 24/7!).

No need for a pc.

May as well buy one for the price of the above with HD and monitor

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:27:14 +0100, Blah wrote:

Sarah wrote:
well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do nothing. Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy the way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks


One of these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...21498&DOY=28m8

Up to 4 of these:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?...0CCD%20Cameras


Plug into home pc (which must be switched on 24/7!).


That is an extremely expensive way of doing it.

You can get a proper DVR with 250GB built in HD for about the same as
the price of your first link.

And you can get decent all-weather cameras with 1/3 inch CCD for about
£80 - even the £99 one in your link only has 1/4 inch.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Unqualified superlatives are the worst of all.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

Alex Heney wrote:

Plug into home pc (which must be switched on 24/7!).


That is an extremely expensive way of doing it.

You can get a proper DVR with 250GB built in HD for about the same as
the price of your first link.

And you can get decent all-weather cameras with 1/3 inch CCD for about
£80 - even the £99 one in your link only has 1/4 inch.

It wasn't meant to be cheap, it was meant to be EASY for a complete
newbie (as the OP is).
She can walk into Maplin, get some further advice and walk out with the
goods and return them if they don't work.

DVR are not for newbies and have less features (like remote viewing)
which are far more important than price.

Remote viewing includes the obvious 'watch from a mates' but more
importantly allows 'viewing from any pc in the house' which
coinsidering a lot of houses have computers and laptops all over the
house means that you don't have to go to the viewing monitor of the DVD,
you can check from the comfort of bed etc.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:50:09 +0100, Blah wrote:

Alex Heney wrote:

Plug into home pc (which must be switched on 24/7!).


That is an extremely expensive way of doing it.

You can get a proper DVR with 250GB built in HD for about the same as
the price of your first link.

And you can get decent all-weather cameras with 1/3 inch CCD for about
£80 - even the £99 one in your link only has 1/4 inch.

It wasn't meant to be cheap, it was meant to be EASY for a complete
newbie (as the OP is).
She can walk into Maplin, get some further advice and walk out with the
goods and return them if they don't work.

Fair enough.



DVR are not for newbies and have less features (like remote viewing)
which are far more important than price.


Mine has remote viewing. So do plenty of others.

My kit was actually more expensive altogether than your quotes too,
but has 4 *good* cameras.

I can't now actually find DVR's as cheap as they were a few months
ago. I was checking then when the power supply packed in on mine
(before I knew what the problem was, and thought I might need to
replace it), and found ones slightly better for under £100, while now
they seem to be about £130 for similar.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Is it possible to feel gruntled?
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

"Alex Heney" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:50:09 +0100, Blah wrote:

Alex Heney wrote:

Plug into home pc (which must be switched on 24/7!).


That is an extremely expensive way of doing it.

You can get a proper DVR with 250GB built in HD for about the same as
the price of your first link.

And you can get decent all-weather cameras with 1/3 inch CCD for about
£80 - even the £99 one in your link only has 1/4 inch.

It wasn't meant to be cheap, it was meant to be EASY for a complete
newbie (as the OP is).
She can walk into Maplin, get some further advice and walk out with the
goods and return them if they don't work.

Fair enough.



DVR are not for newbies and have less features (like remote viewing)
which are far more important than price.


Mine has remote viewing. So do plenty of others.

My kit was actually more expensive altogether than your quotes too,
but has 4 *good* cameras.

I can't now actually find DVR's as cheap as they were a few months
ago. I was checking then when the power supply packed in on mine
(before I knew what the problem was, and thought I might need to
replace it), and found ones slightly better for under £100, while now
they seem to be about £130 for similar.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Is it possible to feel gruntled?
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom


Got **** loads of power supplies Man.

Will post you one .

No Probs..




Mick

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:17:55 +0100, "Sarah" wrote:

well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do nothing. Had
a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they siggested
putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly watching your
sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof ? (buy the way
the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were tolerant to a
level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to store
the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.


The cheapest option would be a webcam and a program that takes shots
when triggered by movement ( motion detection ).
Webcams are cheap enough, but if you want reasonable quality pics or
night vision then the price goes up.

The software can be had for free - Pryme is one such program and can
be found he

http://www.hilo.dk/pryme/

The paid-for version, Tincam, is very good - I use it myself.

Any photos you take can be time-stamped and saved - or you can take
short videos triggered by motion.

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

Stephen Howard wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:17:55 +0100, "Sarah" wrote:

The software can be had for free - Pryme is one such program and can
be found he

http://www.hilo.dk/pryme/

The paid-for version, Tincam, is very good - I use it myself.

Any photos you take can be time-stamped and saved - or you can take
short videos triggered by motion.

Regards,



They say you can't re-invent the wheel...

There must be hundreds of identical webcam applications out there -
every cam comes with its own - and then hundreds of apps like the above.
Why? Surely there are only so many things you can do with captured image
- store, ftp, http, email etc - why are people still bothering to write
new ones! Doh.

Actually, I want to upgrade mine to one that automatically tracks
movement, pan/tilt/zoom onto target. Anyone know of a good one?

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:09:03 +0100, Blah wrote:

Stephen Howard wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:17:55 +0100, "Sarah" wrote:

The software can be had for free - Pryme is one such program and can
be found he

http://www.hilo.dk/pryme/

The paid-for version, Tincam, is very good - I use it myself.

Any photos you take can be time-stamped and saved - or you can take
short videos triggered by motion.

They say you can't re-invent the wheel...

There must be hundreds of identical webcam applications out there -
every cam comes with its own - and then hundreds of apps like the above.
Why? Surely there are only so many things you can do with captured image
- store, ftp, http, email etc - why are people still bothering to write
new ones! Doh.

Because simply writing one doesn't mean it's any good - or that it
does what you need it to do. Or that it's stable, or fast, or easy to
use.
I went through at least half a dozen before I found that Pryme, and
later Tincam, ticked all the boxes for me.


Actually, I want to upgrade mine to one that automatically tracks
movement, pan/tilt/zoom onto target. Anyone know of a good one?

One of the manufacturer's apps does that - face tracking, they call
it. Might be Logitech?

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

Blah wrote:

There must be hundreds of identical webcam applications out there -
every cam comes with its own - and then hundreds of apps like the above.
Why? Surely there are only so many things you can do with captured image
- store, ftp, http, email etc - why are people still bothering to write
new ones! Doh.

Well, if you're serious about it there's only one real choice, Axis
webcams which have an integrated Linux server and network connections.
Not cheap, but very good and available in PTZ weatherproof enclosures.

"Blah" wrote in message
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Stephen Howard wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:17:55 +0100, "Sarah" wrote:

The software can be had for free - Pryme is one such program and can
be found he

http://www.hilo.dk/pryme/

The paid-for version, Tincam, is very good - I use it myself.

Any photos you take can be time-stamped and saved - or you can take
short videos triggered by motion.

Regards,



They say you can't re-invent the wheel...

There must be hundreds of identical webcam applications out there - every
cam comes with its own - and then hundreds of apps like the above.
Why? Surely there are only so many things you can do with captured image -
store, ftp, http, email etc - why are people still bothering to write new
ones! Doh.
I guess some are better than others I like evocam (Mac)
of course some might need drivers, eveocam has the ability to let you stream
live
events. I've heard here at uni. they are looking at all sorts of
improvements
to software including skin colour recognition, but \I can see that causing
PC problems and I don;t mean software errors.


Actually, I want to upgrade mine to one that automatically tracks
movement, pan/tilt/zoom onto target. Anyone know of a good one?

See you want different software too.

"Sarah" wrote in message
...
well we've been having troubles from pain in the backside neighbours from
late night drinking to kicking footballs at our windows on purpose and at
our sky dish. Reported it to the relvant people who seem to do nothing.
Had a victim support person turn up out of the blue today and they
siggested putting a cctv camera up on the inside and if it is slightly
watching your sky dish and catches them in the act you have instant proof
? (buy the way the list of their stupidity is far to lon to type, were
tolerant to a level but they have gone beyond too far)

So knowing nothing about cctv, I thought you guys would know ?

Do I need something that connects to my pc or tv ? also would need to
store the footage maybe on a hard disc or a blank dvd ?

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

Thanks


Hi Sarah,
If you care to ring me I would gladly give you any advice you need.


Micky Savage.
Modern Security Systems . Leeds u.K.

07984073882

WOULD TAKE TO LONG TO TYPE.

Micky Savage wrote:



Hi Sarah,
If you care to ring me I would gladly give you any advice you need.


Micky Savage.
Modern Security Systems . Leeds u.K.

07984073882

WOULD TAKE TO LONG TO TYPE.



Now there's an offer you could refuse ;-)

Brian Damage
'Security' Consultant.

"Blah" wrote in message
...
Micky Savage wrote:



Hi Sarah,
If you care to ring me I would gladly give you any advice you need.


Micky Savage.
Modern Security Systems . Leeds u.K.

07984073882

WOULD TAKE TO LONG TO TYPE.

Now there's an offer you could refuse ;-)

Brian Damage
'Security' Consultant.


pmsl.


micky

Micky Savage wrote:

If you care to ring me I would gladly give you any advice you need.

"Give" eh? Absolutely Free with no obligation, eh?

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
. ..
Micky Savage wrote:

If you care to ring me I would gladly give you any advice you need.

"Give" eh? Absolutely Free with no obligation, eh?

Yep, no probs.

Micky.

Micky Savage wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
. ..
Micky Savage wrote:

If you care to ring me I would gladly give you any advice you need.

"Give" eh? Absolutely Free with no obligation, eh?

Yep, no probs.

Oh in that case I'll have a 16 channel full frame DVR. I'll even give
you a fiver for P&P.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
Micky Savage wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
. ..
Micky Savage wrote:

If you care to ring me I would gladly give you any advice you need.

"Give" eh? Absolutely Free with no obligation, eh?

Yep, no probs.

Oh in that case I'll have a 16 channel full frame DVR. I'll even give
you a fiver for P&P.


For advice, read man read,


Micky.

On 28 Aug, 12:29, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Micky Savage wrote:
If you care to ring me I would gladly give you any advice you need.

"Give" eh? Absolutely Free with no obligation, eh?

Why not? I give free advice regularly - provided that the person
indemnifies me first. I find that doing so pays off in the long run as
word of mouth recommendations eventually gets me business. Any form of
pressure selling or even suggestin a sale in such a situation is a
waste of time - the offer to buy has to come from the person being
advised voluntarily. Give the man the benefit of the doubt why not?
Chris G

wrote in message
...
On 28 Aug, 12:29, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Micky Savage wrote:
If you care to ring me I would gladly give you any advice you need.

"Give" eh? Absolutely Free with no obligation, eh?

Why not? I give free advice regularly - provided that the person
indemnifies me first. I find that doing so pays off in the long run as
word of mouth recommendations eventually gets me business. Any form of
pressure selling or even suggestin a sale in such a situation is a
waste of time - the offer to buy has to come from the person being
advised voluntarily. Give the man the benefit of the doubt why not?
Chris G

Hi Chris .

Thanks Man.

advise costs nothing.I am lucky I don't have bad neighbours.

Kind Regards


Micky

Sarah wrote:

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

You need a decent camera. Most webcams and CCTV cameras are inadequate
beceause they tend to be quarter frame VGA (320x240) which is inadequate
for evidence. You really need broadcast quality cameras and low
compression images in order to identify who is doing what and to what.
Look for a camera and a recorder that can at the very least cope with
full frame VGA - for CCTV this is 672x544. There are some recorders
around that can do it, but the majority of DIY shed cheapies just offer
336x272 or sometimes "VGA" at 672x272 which is inadequate.

Also be aware that many of the night time cameras are a dead giveaway
because they use "infra red LED illumination" that extends into the
visible spectrum. A bright glowing red ring in the sky is a dead
giveaway that you are recording using CCTV.

You might get further with the relatively expensive option of a
low-light Mini DV camera. Some of them offer the ability to output the
image via S-VHS or Firewire so that you can use an external recorder or
PC to store the video. The quality in low light is much better than that
of the cheap(ish) CCTV. Most of the "Quad" digital CCTV recorders that I
have seen record an entirely inadequate image and some require that you
install only HDDs supplied by the maker. This means great expense and
limited availability.

Unfortunately a decent DVR doesn't come cheap I've used things like
this:

http://tinyurl.com/6y72yt

In the past, typically costing between £1500 and £2500. The 16 camera
ability isn't necessary, what is important is the ability to record
720x576 video at 25 fps. That's sufficient to unequivocally identify a
scumbag if used with a suitable quality of camera.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
Sarah wrote:

A bit out of my depth here so advice welcomed.

You need a decent camera. Most webcams and CCTV cameras are inadequate
beceause they tend to be quarter frame VGA (320x240) which is inadequate
for evidence. You really need broadcast quality cameras and low
compression images in order to identify who is doing what and to what.
Look for a camera and a recorder that can at the very least cope with
full frame VGA - for CCTV this is 672x544. There are some recorders
around that can do it, but the majority of DIY shed cheapies just offer
336x272 or sometimes "VGA" at 672x272 which is inadequate.


Shouldn't that be...the scan lines rather than the image size? ie 420 lines
will give a poor image as opposed to 625 lines will give you TV quality