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FENSA - is it necessary
The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows -- geoff |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows If you want to sell, and the buyer's solicitor is on the ball, yes tim |
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tim..... wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message ... The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows If you want to sell, and the buyer's solicitor is on the ball, yes Not even convinced that is really a problem. Yes they will ask (its on the standard forms), but if you tick the "none" or "lost" boxes I can't see it causing major issues with most buyers. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:36:38 +0100, John Rumm wrote:
tim..... wrote: "geoff" wrote in message ... The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows If you want to sell, and the buyer's solicitor is on the ball, yes Not even convinced that is really a problem. Yes they will ask (its on the standard forms), but if you tick the "none" or "lost" boxes I can't see it causing major issues with most buyers. At worst it will be a bargaining point for a price reduction. Which is probably more significant at the moment that it would be at more bullish times. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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Ed Sirett coughed up some electrons that declared:
At worst it will be a bargaining point for a price reduction. Which is probably more significant at the moment that it would be at more bullish times. Ironically more specific attention is paid to windows and electrics than a whole host of other classes of building works which could have far more serious implications if they go wrong. AFAICR I'm not sure if gas work is even mentioned on the standard legal questionnaire, other than the bits concerning Part L. Correct me if I'm wrong... Cheers Tim |
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Tim S writes: Ironically more specific attention is paid to windows and electrics than a whole host of other classes of building works which could have far more serious implications if they go wrong. AFAICR I'm not sure if gas work is even mentioned on the standard legal questionnaire, other than the bits concerning Part L. Correct me if I'm wrong... As I said in another thread, two colleagues who moved recently were strongly advised by their solicitors not to answer any such questions, even where favourable answers could have been provided. Don't know how universal that is though. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Ed Sirett wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:36:38 +0100, John Rumm wrote: tim..... wrote: "geoff" wrote in message ... The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows If you want to sell, and the buyer's solicitor is on the ball, yes Not even convinced that is really a problem. Yes they will ask (its on the standard forms), but if you tick the "none" or "lost" boxes I can't see it causing major issues with most buyers. At worst it will be a bargaining point for a price reduction. Which is probably more significant at the moment that it would be at more bullish times. Since the FENSA thing is quite recent - how would a buyer know when the windows were installed? -- *Why don't you ever see the headline "Psychic Wins Lottery"? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Ed Sirett wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:36:38 +0100, John Rumm wrote: tim..... wrote: "geoff" wrote in message ... The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows If you want to sell, and the buyer's solicitor is on the ball, yes Not even convinced that is really a problem. Yes they will ask (its on the standard forms), but if you tick the "none" or "lost" boxes I can't see it causing major issues with most buyers. At worst it will be a bargaining point for a price reduction. Which is probably more significant at the moment that it would be at more bullish times. Since the FENSA thing is quite recent - how would a buyer know when the windows were installed? Cos the seller is supposed to tell em (and there is a date stamp on many sealed units!) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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tim..... coughed up some electrons that declared:
"geoff" wrote in message ... The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows If you want to sell, and the buyer's solicitor is on the ball, yes tim Sorry for being a pedant, but we should be clear... What you actually need is a bit of paper showing compliance to Building Regs, including (and fairly prominantly in for windows *and* external doors) Part L compliance. A FENSA operative can self certify akin to NICEIC/NAPIT/etc for Part P. The other route is a BNA or Full Plans submission to the LABC, same as any other notifiable building works. Regarding the solicitors: Part L, specifically heating systems and windows are mentioned explicitly on either Law Society form TA11 or TA12, I forget which. Both forms are commonly used as the basis of a vendor questionnaire by the potential buyer. You don't of course *have* to complete the forms, but that may affect the sale. The easy way out if to plead ignorance and offer to buy a 50-100 quid indemnity policy for the buyer. All based on recent experience. My sale didn't go through, but it wasn't the paperwork that stopped it, in fact no-one batted an eyelid regarding any building control issues once I'd offered the indemnity policy. It fell through because the buyers were a pair of unrealistic serial-gazundering toerags, who are now totally blacklisted by the local estate agent. But that's another story. -o Cheers Tim |
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All based on recent experience. My sale didn't go through, but it wasn't the
paperwork that stopped it, in fact no-one batted an eyelid regarding any building control issues once I'd offered the indemnity policy. It fell through because the buyers were a pair of unrealistic serial-gazundering toerags, who are now totally blacklisted by the local estate agent. But that's another story. -o Cheers Yes ..... Doesn't house, and for that matter car selling, bring out the very worst in the great British public;!...... -- Tony Sayer |
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The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows No - but you will then need the relevant paperwork from the local council Building Control Office to say that the installation is up to standard - and at a fair old cost. Tanner-'op |
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In message , Tanner-'op
writes geoff wrote: The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows No - but you will then need the relevant paperwork from the local council Building Control Office to say that the installation is up to standard - and at a fair old cost. So what happens if you don't i.e. just go ahead and don't notify them? -- geoff |
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In message , Tanner-'op writes geoff wrote: The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows No - but you will then need the relevant paperwork from the local council Building Control Office to say that the installation is up to standard - and at a fair old cost. So what happens if you don't i.e. just go ahead and don't notify them? Nothing... The windows you will be installing in most cases will comply with the building regs anyway, so there is nothing that can happen. (assuming no other complications like listed buildings and conservation areas etc). -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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geoff wrote:
In message , Tanner-'op writes geoff wrote: The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows No - but you will then need the relevant paperwork from the local council Building Control Office to say that the installation is up to standard - and at a fair old cost. So what happens if you don't If there is no certificate from the BCO, then there will be problems when selling the property. i.e. just go ahead and don't notify them? Not a sensible idea for the reason already stated - and, if a neighbour decides to report that fact to the the BCO, then it is possible that you may be forced to reinstate the works as original, or end up before the beak and paying a rather substantial fine. I had a door and window fitted by a local installer (FENSA registered) eighteen months ago and the FENSA certifcate dropped onto my doormat two weeks later - and the (small) fee for it was included in the price for supply and fit - that certificate was then simply stored with my house deeds. Tanner-'op |
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geoff wrote: In message , Tanner-'op writes geoff wrote: The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows No - but you will then need the relevant paperwork from the local council Building Control Office to say that the installation is up to standard - and at a fair old cost. So what happens if you don't If there is no certificate from the BCO, then there will be problems when selling the property. i.e. just go ahead and don't notify them? Not a sensible idea for the reason already stated - and, if a neighbour decides to report that fact to the the BCO, then it is possible that you may be forced to reinstate the works as original, or end up before the beak and paying a rather substantial fine. Isn't it time we stopped the tail from wagging the dog? Dave |
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On 15 Aug, 23:36, Dave wrote:
Isn't it time we stopped the tail from wagging the dog? Absolutely. It's a load of old rubbish. If a buyer wants your house, is he going to refuse to buy it because you don't have a piuece of paper for a window? I suppose some buyers are stupid enough to listen to crap from the legal executive doing their conveyancing, but I can't see most caring. JFDI. Regards Richard |
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geoff wrote: In message , Tanner-'op writes geoff wrote: Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows No - but you will then need the relevant paperwork from the local council Building Control Office to say that the installation is up to standard - and at a fair old cost. So what happens if you don't If there is no certificate from the BCO, then there will be problems when selling the property. Only a very slight chance of a problem. If someone wants to buy a house, you really think the lack of a certificate for windows will stop them buying it? HIP packs are a legal requirement, yet the Inspector who did my g/f's house would not even look in the loft, as there wasnt 'safe' access to it, so the loft space got the minimum insulation rating, when in fact there is an awful lot of insulation in there. BCO/Councils are completely uninterested in windows on 'normal' housing stock. i.e. just go ahead and don't notify them? Not a sensible idea for the reason already stated - and, if a neighbour decides to report that fact to the the BCO, then it is possible that you may be forced to reinstate the works as original, or end up before the beak and paying a rather substantial fine. Total rubbish. If you know this, then please post a link to a relevant document showing such action being taken against a 'criminal' who has fitted non-certified windows. (disregarding any listed buildings). Alan. -- To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'. |
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HIP packs are a legal requirement, yet the Inspector who did my g/f's house would not even look in the loft, as there wasnt 'safe' access to it That about sums it up. Too much to ask that he might have a ladder I suppose |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:43:00 +0100 A.Lee wrote :
HIP packs are a legal requirement, yet the Inspector who did my g/f's house would not even look in the loft, as there wasnt 'safe' access to it, so the loft space got the minimum insulation rating, when in fact there is an awful lot of insulation in there. Mine did: I have done a lot of work and wanted to make sure that I got the credit. EA said it was one of the first Cs he seen. Hasn't helped so far: just one expression of interest who wants to knock the asked £300K down to £250K (for obvious reasons). -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk |
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geoff wrote: In message , Tanner-'op writes geoff wrote: The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows No - but you will then need the relevant paperwork from the local council Building Control Office to say that the installation is up to standard - and at a fair old cost. So what happens if you don't If there is no certificate from the BCO, then there will be problems when selling the property. i.e. just go ahead and don't notify them? Not a sensible idea for the reason already stated - and, if a neighbour decides to report that fact to the the BCO, then it is possible that you may be forced to reinstate the works as original, or end up before the beak and paying a rather substantial fine. The only way this could happen is if you installed windows that were not in compliance with the regulations. The LA would not be able to take enforcement action to "correct" work that is already correct. As for fines etc, again that would require a LA to spend their precious budget prosecuting a case that has no merit for anyone involved. They tend to reserve these actions for the serial and persistent offenders who are endangering the public by their actions. I had a door and window fitted by a local installer (FENSA registered) eighteen months ago and the FENSA certifcate dropped onto my doormat two weeks later - and the (small) fee for it was included in the price for supply and fit - that certificate was then simply stored with my house deeds. Hope it gave you a nice warm feeling ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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I had a door and window fitted by a local installer (FENSA registered)
eighteen months ago and the FENSA certifcate dropped onto my doormat two weeks later - and the (small) fee for it was included in the price for supply and fit - that certificate was then simply stored with my house deeds. Tanner-'op Wasn't there a "works before FENSA" date exemption somewhere around 2004 IIRC bit like part pee?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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tony sayer writes: Wasn't there a "works before FENSA" date exemption somewhere around 2004 April 2002, which is exactly why I replaced my windows in February 2002 (and put central heating in). However, very few window installers were signed up until a long time after that date anyway. I spoke to mine probably some 6 months later, and he was just starting to think about it. I did however make my systems all conform to Part L except for the K glass, which is a complete waste of money. IIRC, the payback for K glass was something like 50 years, and that didn't take into account the extra lighting needed because of the slightly darker glass. That money went towards a condensing boiler and extra insulation, which was a very much more effective use of it. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Tanner-'op wrote: geoff wrote: The FENSA sites seem to be written a bit like CORGI Do you really need FENSA when installing replacement windows No - but you will then need the relevant paperwork from the local council Building Control Office to say that the installation is up to standard - and at a fair old cost. And what happens if you have neither? Hung drawn and quartered or simple beheading? -- *Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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