Went out to Currys yesterday, SWMBO decoded we needed a new dishwasher.

Returned home with new machine in van, pulled out the old machine &
installed new, job done by 5pm.

Left the old machine in the front garden, won't fit in SWMBO's Corsa, they
wont let my van into he tip. SWMBO decides to call the council this morning
to get it collected.

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council did.
Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the doorbell
"alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was gone.

Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
m...
Went out to Currys yesterday, SWMBO decoded we needed a new dishwasher.

Returned home with new machine in van, pulled out the old machine &
installed new, job done by 5pm.

Left the old machine in the front garden, won't fit in SWMBO's Corsa, they
wont let my van into he tip. SWMBO decides to call the council this
morning to get it collected.

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council did.
Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the doorbell
"alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was gone.

Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

At £0.17/kilo for "light iron" nowadays (that's basically anything thinner
than about 1/4") even a dead dishwasher or fridge is worth about £8 at the
scrappies. If you have one close enough so the petrol cost doesn't outweigh
the scrap value it's worth taking a run in the van. It's certainly more than
enough to get pikies interested. I'm just surprised they asked first.

Here's a surprising fact. At current scrap prices the scrap value of old
cast iron gutters and downpipes is not so far off the new price of
replacement plastic ones. The net cost to a roofing contractor is basically
zero. Old radiators are worth a few quid each. Pikies have nicked aluminium
road signs for ages as its worth close to £800 a ton but it's now worth
sawing down the steel posts too. Pretty soon nothing made of metal that's
unattended will actually be safe anymore. Next time your bike gets nicked
they'll also take the chain and padlock they cut off.
--
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In article ,
"The Medway Handyman" writes:
Went out to Currys yesterday, SWMBO decoded we needed a new dishwasher.

Returned home with new machine in van, pulled out the old machine &
installed new, job done by 5pm.

Left the old machine in the front garden, won't fit in SWMBO's Corsa, they
wont let my van into he tip. SWMBO decides to call the council this morning
to get it collected.

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council did.
Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the doorbell
"alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was gone.

Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

Happened with my brother's old bath in London. Propped it up against
the railings. The workman went back indoors to get some more stuff,
specifically the feet for it, but by the time he got back outside,
the bath was gone. They never came back for the feet.

It worked just as well with the brand new bath which the plumber
broke by tightening up the feet too much such that the enamel
pinged off the inside. That one took a bit longer -- we think
about half an hour, probably because of the obvious damage.

--
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Dave Baker wrote in


snip

Here's a surprising fact. At current scrap prices the scrap value of
old cast iron gutters and downpipes is not so far off the new price of
replacement plastic ones. The net cost to a roofing contractor is
basically zero. Old radiators are worth a few quid each. Pikies have
nicked aluminium road signs for ages as its worth close to £800 a ton
but it's now worth sawing down the steel posts too. Pretty soon
nothing made of metal that's unattended will actually be safe
anymore. Next time your bike gets nicked they'll also take the chain
and padlock they cut off.

It's all about reducing knife crime.

As soon as we reach a point at which the value of a knife at the scrappers
is more than it's value in a mugging, hey presto, no more knife crime.

That's the free market at work.

--
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If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

The Medway Handyman wrote:

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council did.
Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the doorbell
"alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was gone.

Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

He knocked and asked if he could take it? That doesn't sound much like
pikeys. Or have they got a new code of conduct? ;-)


--
Howard Neil

On 2008-07-14 08:47:55 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Went out to Currys yesterday, SWMBO decoded we needed a new dishwasher.

Didn't know she worked at Bletchley Park :-)



Returned home with new machine in van, pulled out the old machine &
installed new, job done by 5pm.

Left the old machine in the front garden, won't fit in SWMBO's Corsa, they
wont let my van into he tip. SWMBO decides to call the council this morning
to get it collected.

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council did.
Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the doorbell
"alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was gone.

Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

You could offer them signage for their vehicles. Medway Pikeyman.
Better not make them magnetic or they'll be nicked by the Pikey
Pikeys. Hmm that could be an infinite series....


Why won't the jobsworths at the tip allow in your van? It looks smart
enough to me.

PeterMcC wrote:
Dave Baker wrote in


snip
Here's a surprising fact. At current scrap prices the scrap value of
old cast iron gutters and downpipes is not so far off the new price of
replacement plastic ones. The net cost to a roofing contractor is
basically zero. Old radiators are worth a few quid each. Pikies have
nicked aluminium road signs for ages as its worth close to £800 a ton
but it's now worth sawing down the steel posts too. Pretty soon
nothing made of metal that's unattended will actually be safe
anymore. Next time your bike gets nicked they'll also take the chain
and padlock they cut off.

It's all about reducing knife crime.

As soon as we reach a point at which the value of a knife at the scrappers
is more than it's value in a mugging, hey presto, no more knife crime.

That's the free market at work.

Damn. I just posted (another thread) about ceramic knives... :-(

(I doubt they have any scrap value beyond ultra-hard-core.)

--
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Rod wrote in


PeterMcC wrote:


It's all about reducing knife crime.

As soon as we reach a point at which the value of a knife at the
scrappers is more than it's value in a mugging, hey presto, no more
knife crime.

That's the free market at work.

Damn. I just posted (another thread) about ceramic knives... :-(

(I doubt they have any scrap value beyond ultra-hard-core.)

....and thanks for not mentioning the apostrophe - I think I got away with
it.

--
PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

Went out to Currys yesterday, SWMBO decoded we needed a new dishwasher.

Returned home with new machine in van, pulled out the old machine &
installed new, job done by 5pm.

Left the old machine in the front garden, won't fit in SWMBO's Corsa, they
wont let my van into he tip. SWMBO decides to call the council this
morning to get it collected.

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council did.
Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the doorbell
"alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was gone.

Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

There are branches everywhere! Twenty years ago a customer of mine in South
London, who had a TV and video rental business, put a stack of a dozen scrap
Betamax VCR's out on the payment behind his shop while he went to fetch his
van. By the time he got back they had all gone. After that he just put all
the scrap TV's out for pikey collection. The service was fantastic with
nothing left after an hour every time. I just wonder, as did he, why they
kept taking them even though the scrap value was very low then.

Peter Crosland

"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
et...
Went out to Currys yesterday, SWMBO decoded we needed a new dishwasher.

Returned home with new machine in van, pulled out the old machine &
installed new, job done by 5pm.

Left the old machine in the front garden, won't fit in SWMBO's Corsa,
they wont let my van into he tip. SWMBO decides to call the council this
morning to get it collected.

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council did.
Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the doorbell
"alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was gone.

Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

There are branches everywhere! Twenty years ago a customer of mine in
South London, who had a TV and video rental business, put a stack of a
dozen scrap Betamax VCR's out on the payment behind his shop while he went
to fetch his van. By the time he got back they had all gone. After that he
just put all the scrap TV's out for pikey collection. The service was
fantastic with nothing left after an hour every time. I just wonder, as
did he, why they kept taking them even though the scrap value was very low
then.

Because they strip the bit that is ok and dump the rest.
Shame it wasn't outside his shop so he didn't keep contributing to illegal
tipping.


Peter Crosland

"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
et...
Went out to Currys yesterday, SWMBO decoded we needed a new dishwasher.

Returned home with new machine in van, pulled out the old machine &
installed new, job done by 5pm.

Left the old machine in the front garden, won't fit in SWMBO's Corsa,
they wont let my van into he tip. SWMBO decides to call the council this
morning to get it collected.

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council did.
Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the doorbell
"alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was gone.

Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

There are branches everywhere! Twenty years ago a customer of mine in
South London, who had a TV and video rental business, put a stack of a
dozen scrap Betamax VCR's out on the payment behind his shop while he went
to fetch his van. By the time he got back they had all gone. After that he
just put all the scrap TV's out for pikey collection. The service was
fantastic with nothing left after an hour every time. I just wonder, as
did he, why they kept taking them even though the scrap value was very low
then.

Peter Crosland




because they could!

Peter

"Peter Crosland" wrote:

There are branches everywhere! Twenty years ago a customer of mine in South
London, who had a TV and video rental business, put a stack of a dozen scrap
Betamax VCR's out on the payment behind his shop while he went to fetch his
van. By the time he got back they had all gone. After that he just put all
the scrap TV's out for pikey collection. The service was fantastic with
nothing left after an hour every time. I just wonder, as did he, why they
kept taking them even though the scrap value was very low then.


Perhaps they realised that the quality of reproduction offered by
Betamax was far superior to that offered by VHS, and they were merely
taking the opportunity of upgrading their caravans' VCRs to Betamax.

;-)

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:11:19 +0100, "Dave Baker"
wrote:


"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Went out to Currys yesterday, SWMBO decoded we needed a new dishwasher.

Returned home with new machine in van, pulled out the old machine &
installed new, job done by 5pm.

Left the old machine in the front garden, won't fit in SWMBO's Corsa, they
wont let my van into he tip. SWMBO decides to call the council this
morning to get it collected.

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council did.
Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the doorbell
"alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was gone.

Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

At £0.17/kilo for "light iron" nowadays (that's basically anything thinner
than about 1/4") even a dead dishwasher or fridge is worth about £8 at the
scrappies. If you have one close enough so the petrol cost doesn't outweigh
the scrap value it's worth taking a run in the van. It's certainly more than
enough to get pikies interested. I'm just surprised they asked first.

Thats cos they are not pikeys at least by my definition of pikey**,
they are upstanding gypsies who work for a living. When I was living
in Bristol on a suburban backstreet, they would drive along the road
about once a week, if they spotted scrap metal out front, they would
always ring the bell to ask if they could have it. Often, house owners
went to work leaving a note to 'help yourself'. The system worked very
well.

** ie people who steal anything not tied down, lay substandard
driveways for cash etc etc

Anna
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Freehand modelling in lime: overmantels, pargeting etc
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Mob: *(+44) *07976 649862
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In article ,
The Medway Handyman wrote:
I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council
did. Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the
doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was gone.

You must have a different type of pikey round your way. Here they'd just
take it.

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Howard Neil wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council
did. Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the
doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was
gone. Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

He knocked and asked if he could take it? That doesn't sound much like
pikeys. Or have they got a new code of conduct? ;-)

I think we are getting a better class of pikey here in Kent...


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

They'll be along for your new one when you're out...

In article ,
Owain writes:
Howard Neil wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
... Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the
doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?".
He knocked and asked if he could take it? That doesn't sound much like
pikeys. Or have they got a new code of conduct? ;-)

Probably signed up with Medway Fair Trader scheme :-)

I'm not quite sure why Medway trading standards require criminal records
checks through Disclosure Scotland, though, and not the English equivalent.

Lots of companies which are not in Scotland use Disclosure Scotland.
They are one of the companies permitted to make CRB checks.

--
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[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-14 08:47:55 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Went out to Currys yesterday, SWMBO decoded we needed a new
dishwasher.

Didn't know she worked at Bletchley Park :-)

You've never spoken to my missus have you?



Returned home with new machine in van, pulled out the old machine &
installed new, job done by 5pm.

Left the old machine in the front garden, won't fit in SWMBO's
Corsa, they wont let my van into he tip. SWMBO decides to call the
council this morning to get it collected.

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council
did. Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the
doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was
gone. Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

You could offer them signage for their vehicles. Medway Pikeyman.
Better not make them magnetic or they'll be nicked by the Pikey
Pikeys. Hmm that could be an infinite series....


Why won't the jobsworths at the tip allow in your van? It looks
smart enough to me.

Oh tee hee. NO COMMERCIAL VERHICLES states the large sign next to the
height barrier...


--
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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman wrote in message
news:LwDek.26328


Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the doorbell
"alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was gone.


Was he driving a Hercules ?




-

On 2008-07-14 22:31:14 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-14 08:47:55 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Went out to Currys yesterday, SWMBO decoded we needed a new
dishwasher.

Didn't know she worked at Bletchley Park :-)

You've never spoken to my missus have you?



Returned home with new machine in van, pulled out the old machine &
installed new, job done by 5pm.

Left the old machine in the front garden, won't fit in SWMBO's
Corsa, they wont let my van into he tip. SWMBO decides to call the
council this morning to get it collected.

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council
did. Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the
doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was
gone. Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

You could offer them signage for their vehicles. Medway Pikeyman.
Better not make them magnetic or they'll be nicked by the Pikey
Pikeys. Hmm that could be an infinite series....


Why won't the jobsworths at the tip allow in your van? It looks
smart enough to me.

Oh tee hee. NO COMMERCIAL VERHICLES states the large sign next to the
height barrier...

So don't they have a separate area with weighbridges for commercial
users? Weigh on the way in, weigh on the way out is the way. Then
you pay

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-14 22:31:14 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-14 08:47:55 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Went out to Currys yesterday, SWMBO decoded we needed a new
dishwasher.

Didn't know she worked at Bletchley Park :-)

You've never spoken to my missus have you?



Returned home with new machine in van, pulled out the old machine &
installed new, job done by 5pm.

Left the old machine in the front garden, won't fit in SWMBO's
Corsa, they wont let my van into he tip. SWMBO decides to call the
council this morning to get it collected.

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the
council did. Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke
rang the doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By
8:20 it was gone. Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in
this area :-) Can't beat that for service!

You could offer them signage for their vehicles. Medway
Pikeyman. Better not make them magnetic or they'll be nicked by the
Pikey Pikeys. Hmm that could be an infinite series....


Why won't the jobsworths at the tip allow in your van? It looks
smart enough to me.

Oh tee hee. NO COMMERCIAL VERHICLES states the large sign next to
the height barrier...

So don't they have a separate area with weighbridges for commercial
users? Weigh on the way in, weigh on the way out is the way. Then
you pay

Not in any of my local tips no. Getting rid of my old dishwasher is not
trade waste anyway, why should I pay to get rid of it? I already pay piggin
council tak.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Mark wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote in
message news:LwDek.26328


Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the
doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was
gone.


Was he driving a Hercules ?

Oddly enough it was a Transit...


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 2008-07-15 00:03:46 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Oh tee hee. NO COMMERCIAL VERHICLES states the large sign next to
the height barrier...

So don't they have a separate area with weighbridges for commercial
users? Weigh on the way in, weigh on the way out is the way. Then
you pay

Not in any of my local tips no. Getting rid of my old dishwasher is not
trade waste anyway, why should I pay to get rid of it? I already pay piggin
council tak.

OK, but that aside, what are you meant to do with trade waste?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:45:06 +0100, Owain
wrote:

Howard Neil wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
... Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the
doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?".
He knocked and asked if he could take it? That doesn't sound much like
pikeys. Or have they got a new code of conduct? ;-)

Probably signed up with Medway Fair Trader scheme :-)

Isn't that an oxymoron?

;-)

--
Frank Erskine

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-15 00:03:46 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Oh tee hee. NO COMMERCIAL VERHICLES states the large sign next to
the height barrier...

So don't they have a separate area with weighbridges for commercial
users? Weigh on the way in, weigh on the way out is the way. Then
you pay

Not in any of my local tips no. Getting rid of my old dishwasher is
not trade waste anyway, why should I pay to get rid of it? I
already pay piggin council tak.

OK, but that aside, what are you meant to do with trade waste?

Dunno actually, I have no intention of shelling out £300 + a year for a
waste transfer license.

I think there is a tip about 10 miles away for trade waste, never been
there.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 2008-07-15 00:20:20 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-15 00:03:46 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Oh tee hee. NO COMMERCIAL VERHICLES states the large sign next to
the height barrier...

So don't they have a separate area with weighbridges for commercial
users? Weigh on the way in, weigh on the way out is the way. Then
you pay

Not in any of my local tips no. Getting rid of my old dishwasher is
not trade waste anyway, why should I pay to get rid of it? I
already pay piggin council tak.

OK, but that aside, what are you meant to do with trade waste?

Dunno actually, I have no intention of shelling out £300 + a year for a
waste transfer license.

I think there is a tip about 10 miles away for trade waste, never been
there.

So you need a license for that and pay charges on top? Stuff that,
as you say.

I suppose it does mean that your punters are left having to dump the
waste which is a shame.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:47:30 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

Howard Neil wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council
did. Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the
doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was
gone. Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

He knocked and asked if he could take it? That doesn't sound much like
pikeys. Or have they got a new code of conduct? ;-)

I think we are getting a better class of pikey here in Kent...

I had my kitchen refitted a few months ago by a local kitchen firm who
subcontracted to a decent outfit (apart from them smoking as they
worked (smoking seems to be a normal trait by EVERYBODY in the pseudo
building trade) as well as electricians).
At their suggestion my old sink unit and cooker were left in front of
their skip rather than in it. Within an hour or so, after I'd walked
the dog, the items were gone.
No problem as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't call them Pikeys
(whatever they are), rather a form of rag 'n' bone men.

--
Frank Erskine

In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
Andy Hall wrote:

So don't they have a separate area with weighbridges for commercial
users? Weigh on the way in, weigh on the way out is the way. Then
you pay

Not in any of my local tips no. Getting rid of my old dishwasher is not
trade waste anyway, why should I pay to get rid of it? I already pay piggin
council tak.


Absolutely right Dave, why pay twice? Round this way the bloody
jobsworths at the tip do their job so well that I won't even bother
turning up on a Sunday when the height barriers are removed.

Now, if I'd bought a trailer instead of a "custom camper dragster
tipping transit"[1] I could take the trailer to the local tip attached
to the back of the car (but only if it is a single wheeled, non braked
trailer).

Instead, I quite simply cannot be arsed and end up paying £57 pound per
ton (of which something like 70% is tax) to commercial land fill
instead. Also, I *alwasy* carry a copy of the letter from the local
tosspots (council) to confirm I don't need a waste transfer licence for
my own non-commercial waste. Without that letter there is a real risk
that the van (custom camper dragster tipping transit[2]) could be
crushed *if they "catch" me*. (doing what? I ask).

Absolutely bloody ridiculous, and yes, I have written to the other local
tosspot (MP) to say so and to point out that by some vaguary of their
well thought out taxes, it costs me more to tip at commercial recyclers
than it does to tip at land fill.

Someone

[1] That's something else entirely which I have alluded to but nor sure I want
to admit to :-)

[2] I've said already. See [1]

On 2008-07-15 00:37:35 +0100, Frank Erskine
said:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:47:30 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

Howard Neil wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council
did. Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the
doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was
gone. Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

He knocked and asked if he could take it? That doesn't sound much like
pikeys. Or have they got a new code of conduct? ;-)

I think we are getting a better class of pikey here in Kent...

I had my kitchen refitted a few months ago by a local kitchen firm who
subcontracted to a decent outfit (apart from them smoking as they
worked (smoking seems to be a normal trait by EVERYBODY in the pseudo
building trade) as well as electricians).

You mean you let them smoke in the house?

In article 487be53c@qaanaaq,
Andy Hall wrote:
I had my kitchen refitted a few months ago by a local kitchen firm who
subcontracted to a decent outfit (apart from them smoking as they
worked (smoking seems to be a normal trait by EVERYBODY in the pseudo
building trade) as well as electricians).

You mean you let them smoke in the house?

The local lot who are doing a basement conversion on an empty house come
out to the street for their smoke.

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Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-15 00:03:46 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Oh tee hee. NO COMMERCIAL VERHICLES states the large sign next to
the height barrier...

So don't they have a separate area with weighbridges for commercial
users? Weigh on the way in, weigh on the way out is the way. Then
you pay

Not in any of my local tips no. Getting rid of my old dishwasher is not
trade waste anyway, why should I pay to get rid of it? I already pay
piggin
council tak.

OK, but that aside, what are you meant to do with trade waste?



hire a skip, and let the skip people do the dirty.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-15 00:20:20 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" said:
Andy Hall wrote:
OK, but that aside, what are you meant to do with trade waste?

Dunno actually, I have no intention of shelling out £300 + a year for a
waste transfer license.

I think there is a tip about 10 miles away for trade waste, never been
there.

So you need a license for that and pay charges on top? Stuff that,
as you say.
I suppose it does mean that your punters are left having to dump the
waste which is a shame.

This is a bone of contention for many people, myself included.
I would gladly go to the local tip, get weighed, then pay the cost for
what I have dumped (currently ~£60/tonne).

But they dont allow that. You need the waste transfer licence (Dave has
exaggeratted a little, it is £50/yr), then to be registered with your
local tip to allow you to dump there (£5ish registration), then the
killer - the cost of dumping - minimum charge of £35+vat.
So the typical bathroom refurb amounting of a bath, toilet, and basin,
typical weight of 50kgs will cost me £35, plus all the relevant
paperwork, and time getting there. I am fortunate in that the only trade
waste tip in Leics. is 2 miles away, but there again, I dont use it.

It is far easier to either get the customer to dump the wate at no cost,
or charge them for a mini skip at £70 to take the rubbish away.

This is why there is so much fly tipping - even if you want to pay to
dump it, you cannot dump without all of the relevant paperwork with you
when you go to the tip, then they charge you for 500kg of waste when you
have only got 50kg.
Alan.

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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Howard Neil wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council
did. Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the
doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was
gone. Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

He knocked and asked if he could take it? That doesn't sound much like
pikeys. Or have they got a new code of conduct? ;-)

I think we are getting a better class of pikey here in Kent...


Ah, Pikeys of Kent rather than Kentish Pikeys then? )


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On 2008-07-15 08:00:57 +0100, "Bob Mannix" said:


"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Howard Neil wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:

I told her not to bother, the pikeys would get it before the council
did. Sure enough, 8:15 this morning a large tattooed bloke rang the
doorbell "alright if we take the dishwasher guv?". By 8:20 it was
gone. Pikey Express have obviously opened a branch in this area :-)

Can't beat that for service!

He knocked and asked if he could take it? That doesn't sound much like
pikeys. Or have they got a new code of conduct? ;-)

I think we are getting a better class of pikey here in Kent...


Ah, Pikeys of Kent rather than Kentish Pikeys then? )

Makes it sound almost like a respectable department store. Maybe they
will be opening a factory outlet at Bluewater.

On 2008-07-15 07:52:33 +0100, (A.Lee) said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-15 00:20:20 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" said:
Andy Hall wrote:
OK, but that aside, what are you meant to do with trade waste?

Dunno actually, I have no intention of shelling out £300 + a year for a
waste transfer license.

I think there is a tip about 10 miles away for trade waste, never been
there.

So you need a license for that and pay charges on top? Stuff that,
as you say.
I suppose it does mean that your punters are left having to dump the
waste which is a shame.

This is a bone of contention for many people, myself included.
I would gladly go to the local tip, get weighed, then pay the cost for
what I have dumped (currently ~£60/tonne).

But they dont allow that. You need the waste transfer licence (Dave has
exaggeratted a little, it is £50/yr), then to be registered with your
local tip to allow you to dump there (£5ish registration), then the
killer - the cost of dumping - minimum charge of £35+vat.
So the typical bathroom refurb amounting of a bath, toilet, and basin,
typical weight of 50kgs will cost me £35, plus all the relevant
paperwork, and time getting there. I am fortunate in that the only trade
waste tip in Leics. is 2 miles away, but there again, I dont use it.

It is far easier to either get the customer to dump the wate at no cost,
or charge them for a mini skip at £70 to take the rubbish away.

This is why there is so much fly tipping - even if you want to pay to
dump it, you cannot dump without all of the relevant paperwork with you
when you go to the tip, then they charge you for 500kg of waste when you
have only got 50kg.
Alan.

OK, so it seems that the £50/year is to cover the admin and
documentation of what you do plus to set a line that is supposed to
make it worth it for regular but not occasional users.

Getting customers to get a small skip is not a bad idea because often
people have extra stuff that they would like to dump but which hasn't
justified a skip.

Even so, I take your point about fly tipping.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:487c4ebd@qaanaaq...
On 2008-07-15 07:52:33 +0100, (A.Lee) said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-15 00:20:20 +0100, "The Medway Handyman" said:
Andy Hall wrote:
OK, but that aside, what are you meant to do with trade waste?

Dunno actually, I have no intention of shelling out £300 + a year for a
waste transfer license.

I think there is a tip about 10 miles away for trade waste, never been
there.

So you need a license for that and pay charges on top? Stuff that,
as you say.
I suppose it does mean that your punters are left having to dump the
waste which is a shame.

This is a bone of contention for many people, myself included.
I would gladly go to the local tip, get weighed, then pay the cost for
what I have dumped (currently ~£60/tonne).

But they dont allow that. You need the waste transfer licence (Dave has
exaggeratted a little, it is £50/yr), then to be registered with your
local tip to allow you to dump there (£5ish registration), then the
killer - the cost of dumping - minimum charge of £35+vat.
So the typical bathroom refurb amounting of a bath, toilet, and basin,
typical weight of 50kgs will cost me £35, plus all the relevant
paperwork, and time getting there. I am fortunate in that the only trade
waste tip in Leics. is 2 miles away, but there again, I dont use it.

It is far easier to either get the customer to dump the wate at no cost,
or charge them for a mini skip at £70 to take the rubbish away.

This is why there is so much fly tipping - even if you want to pay to
dump it, you cannot dump without all of the relevant paperwork with you
when you go to the tip, then they charge you for 500kg of waste when you
have only got 50kg.
Alan.

OK, so it seems that the £50/year is to cover the admin and documentation
of what you do plus to set a line that is supposed to make it worth it for
regular but not occasional users.

Getting customers to get a small skip is not a bad idea because often
people have extra stuff that they would like to dump but which hasn't
justified a skip.

Even so, I take your point about fly tipping.

I never cease to be amazed that that after charges are introduced for
rubbish tipping, authorities seemed *suprised* and hurt that the great
British public take to fly tipping. If you don't want fly tipping (or have
very little) you have to tax at source and make the tips free. Charges =
mattresses in the ditch, the same as night follows day. I was out for a
cycle the other day and passed a little layby by a wood just out of town,
wherein was standing an entire shop freezer cabinet about 2x2m. Cross about
it? - yes. Suprised? - no. Just because (perhaps) the polluter *should* pay
and we *should* dump less won't change human nature.


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On 2008-07-15 08:27:32 +0100, "Bob Mannix" said:
take your point about fly tipping.

I never cease to be amazed that that after charges are introduced for
rubbish tipping, authorities seemed *suprised* and hurt that the great
British public take to fly tipping. If you don't want fly tipping (or have
very little) you have to tax at source and make the tips free.

It does seem so. Perhaps it should be related to the goods. e.g. we
know that the shop freezer cabinet is going to be dumped in a few
years, so front end load the tax at point of distribution or sale.

Either that, or a fraction of a percent on VAT.


Charges =
mattresses in the ditch, the same as night follows day. I was out for a
cycle the other day and passed a little layby by a wood just out of town,
wherein was standing an entire shop freezer cabinet about 2x2m. Cross about
it? - yes. Suprised? - no. Just because (perhaps) the polluter *should* pay
and we *should* dump less won't change human nature.

Even these measures won't stop somebody who is going to dump at the
roadside because the tip is too far away or he doesn't want to queue or
deal with the difficult people often encountered at these places.

Andy Hall wrote:


Getting customers to get a small skip is not a bad idea because often
people have extra stuff that they would like to dump but which hasn't
justified a skip.


Skips are fine if you have your own space (we do). But there is all
sorts to consider and pay if that is not possible, especially if it
needs to be retained overnight or longer or you live on a narrow road...

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Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-15 08:27:32 +0100, "Bob Mannix" said:
take your point about fly tipping.

I never cease to be amazed that that after charges are introduced for
rubbish tipping, authorities seemed *suprised* and hurt that the great
British public take to fly tipping. If you don't want fly tipping (or
have
very little) you have to tax at source and make the tips free.

It does seem so. Perhaps it should be related to the goods. e.g. we
know that the shop freezer cabinet is going to be dumped in a few years,
so front end load the tax at point of distribution or sale.

Either that, or a fraction of a percent on VAT.


Charges =
mattresses in the ditch, the same as night follows day. I was out for a
cycle the other day and passed a little layby by a wood just out of town,
wherein was standing an entire shop freezer cabinet about 2x2m. Cross
about
it? - yes. Suprised? - no. Just because (perhaps) the polluter
*should* pay
and we *should* dump less won't change human nature.

Even these measures won't stop somebody who is going to dump at the
roadside because the tip is too far away or he doesn't want to queue or
deal with the difficult people often encountered at these places.


But at least it means that someone else can load it up and take it to
the tip thereafter without paying through the nose.

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"The Medway Handyman" writes:
Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-15 00:03:46 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Oh tee hee. NO COMMERCIAL VERHICLES states the large sign next to
the height barrier...

So don't they have a separate area with weighbridges for commercial
users? Weigh on the way in, weigh on the way out is the way. Then
you pay

Not in any of my local tips no. Getting rid of my old dishwasher is
not trade waste anyway, why should I pay to get rid of it? I
already pay piggin council tak.

OK, but that aside, what are you meant to do with trade waste?

Dunno actually, I have no intention of shelling out £300 + a year for a
waste transfer license.

Reminds me of the saga with car batteries. For years, those who sold
them would take the old ones and pass them back up the chain to the
manufacturers. They used to get something like 70% of the old batteries
back which they recycled. There was no payment through the chain for
this AFAIK. Then came regulation on disposal (of lead, I think).
Government decided that it had to have a paper trail for each returned
battery to ensure they weren't being dumped. At the stroke of a pen,
the recycling rate plumitted, as there were now forms to obtain, fill
in, and offences committed if you didn't. So the chain just stopped
taking them back and they mostly went into landfill.

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