After the keyed alike mailbox incident I'm not buying another thing from
this bunch of muppets.

SWMBO did however, a self assembly work station for her new PC. Four
separate items were completely missing, unit couldn't be assembled without
them - not talking screws or cam joints here, components specific to the
unit.

Then I worked for a lady today, installing a monoblock mixer she had bought
from Argos. Bolts & shaped washer listed on diagram, not in the box.

As much use as a back pocket in a sock.


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:56:41 UTC, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

After the keyed alike mailbox incident I'm not buying another thing from
this bunch of muppets.

SWMBO did however, a self assembly work station for her new PC. Four
separate items were completely missing, unit couldn't be assembled without
them - not talking screws or cam joints here, components specific to the
unit.

Then I worked for a lady today, installing a monoblock mixer she had bought
from Argos. Bolts & shaped washer listed on diagram, not in the box.

I've never had any problem. I'd suspect the management at the Medway
Argos...I don't think it's that typical (I use the Canterbury, Ramsgate
and Margate stores depending on which is most convenient).

As much use as a back pocket in a sock.

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On 2008-03-04 21:56:41 +0000, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

After the keyed alike mailbox incident I'm not buying another thing from
this bunch of muppets.

SWMBO did however, a self assembly work station for her new PC. Four
separate items were completely missing, unit couldn't be assembled without
them - not talking screws or cam joints here, components specific to the
unit.

Then I worked for a lady today, installing a monoblock mixer she had bought
from Argos. Bolts & shaped washer listed on diagram, not in the box.

As much use as a back pocket in a sock.

I don't know why people go to these places...

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:47cdca23@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-04 21:56:41 +0000, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

After the keyed alike mailbox incident I'm not buying another thing from
this bunch of muppets.

SWMBO did however, a self assembly work station for her new PC. Four
separate items were completely missing, unit couldn't be assembled
without
them - not talking screws or cam joints here, components specific to the
unit.

Then I worked for a lady today, installing a monoblock mixer she had
bought
from Argos. Bolts & shaped washer listed on diagram, not in the box.

As much use as a back pocket in a sock.

I don't know why people go to these places...


Presumably it is their suppliers who are letting them down as I don't
suppose Argos pack the individual items. They should get more strict with
them and impose financial penalties for failures.
At present they probably assume that just replacing a faulty item is all
that is needed to wash the problem away.

The Medway Handyman wrote:


As much use as a back pocket in a sock.


Hey, what a good idea. :-)

Great place to store your money if going out to get ratted.


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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:18:14 UTC, Howard Neil
wrote:

The Medway Handyman wrote:


As much use as a back pocket in a sock.


Hey, what a good idea. :-)

Great place to store your money if going out to get ratted.

Condoms.

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On 2008-03-04 22:17:11 +0000, "John" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:47cdca23@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-04 21:56:41 +0000, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

After the keyed alike mailbox incident I'm not buying another thing from
this bunch of muppets.

SWMBO did however, a self assembly work station for her new PC. Four
separate items were completely missing, unit couldn't be assembled
without
them - not talking screws or cam joints here, components specific to the
unit.

Then I worked for a lady today, installing a monoblock mixer she had
bought
from Argos. Bolts & shaped washer listed on diagram, not in the box.

As much use as a back pocket in a sock.

I don't know why people go to these places...


Presumably it is their suppliers who are letting them down as I don't
suppose Argos pack the individual items. They should get more strict with
them and impose financial penalties for failures.
At present they probably assume that just replacing a faulty item is all
that is needed to wash the problem away.

Mmm... so a possible solution is to hit them in the pocket - e.g.
compensation for costs in returning to the store.

In article ,
John wrote:
Presumably it is their suppliers who are letting them down as I don't
suppose Argos pack the individual items. They should get more strict
with them and impose financial penalties for failures. At present they
probably assume that just replacing a faulty item is all that is needed
to wash the problem away.

I've a feeling it's often down to their generous returns policy. And not
having someone check those returns properly.

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On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:56:41 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:
After the keyed alike mailbox incident I'm not buying another thing from
this bunch of muppets.

SWMBO did however, a self assembly work station for her new PC. Four
separate items were completely missing, unit couldn't be assembled without
them - not talking screws or cam joints here, components specific to the
unit.

Then I worked for a lady today, installing a monoblock mixer she had bought
from Argos. Bolts & shaped washer listed on diagram, not in the box.

Personally, I'm very glad we have poeple like you in our society.
You attract all the million-to-one chances of bad luck. Leaving the rest
of us to lead normal, happy lives where we can use Argos, MFI and other
low cost stores in the knowledge that all the crap is going to happen to
some other punter.
Keep up the good work :-)

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.. in a room with a tea cosy ...... Marlow, England .
.. doesn't try it on (Billy Connolly) .....................................

Howard Neil wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:


As much use as a back pocket in a sock.


Hey, what a good idea. :-)

Great place to store your money if going out to get ratted.


Socks with little zippered pockets, big enough for a key and a credit
card or folded cash, are sold for travellers and joggers - .

John wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news:47cdca23@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-04 21:56:41 +0000, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

After the keyed alike mailbox incident I'm not buying another thing
from this bunch of muppets.

SWMBO did however, a self assembly work station for her new PC. Four
separate items were completely missing, unit couldn't be
assembled without
them - not talking screws or cam joints here, components specific
to the unit.

Then I worked for a lady today, installing a monoblock mixer she had
bought
from Argos. Bolts & shaped washer listed on diagram, not in the
box. As much use as a back pocket in a sock.

I don't know why people go to these places...


Presumably it is their suppliers who are letting them down as I don't
suppose Argos pack the individual items. They should get more strict
with them and impose financial penalties for failures.
At present they probably assume that just replacing a faulty item is
all that is needed to wash the problem away.


The lady with the monoblock tap recounted the tale of a TV remote she bought
there. One of the 'does it all thingys'. It came with a card so you could
fill in which channel was activated by which button - the card had already
been filled in.


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

Peter Lynch wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:56:41 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:
After the keyed alike mailbox incident I'm not buying another thing
from this bunch of muppets.

SWMBO did however, a self assembly work station for her new PC. Four
separate items were completely missing, unit couldn't be assembled
without them - not talking screws or cam joints here, components
specific to the unit.

Then I worked for a lady today, installing a monoblock mixer she had
bought from Argos. Bolts & shaped washer listed on diagram, not in
the box.

Personally, I'm very glad we have poeple like you in our society.
You attract all the million-to-one chances of bad luck. Leaving the
rest of us to lead normal, happy lives where we can use Argos, MFI
and other low cost stores in the knowledge that all the crap is going
to happen to some other punter.
Keep up the good work :-)

Or it could be that I take more chances. Only the bad bits are news.

I'd absolutely hate to lead a 'normal' life.


--
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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

In article ,
The Medway Handyman wrote:
The lady with the monoblock tap recounted the tale of a TV remote she
bought there. One of the 'does it all thingys'. It came with a card
so you could fill in which channel was activated by which button - the
card had already been filled in.

I bought a DECT phone from them which had obviously been repackaged. The
giveaway being the batteries not in the usual vacuum pack. Luckily it was
complete and working.

IKEA are as bad.

I've got very mixed feelings about some returns policies after the
product has obviously been used. Different if faulty or returned unopened.
With lots of things it's impossible to check it's complete in the shop
when buying.

It's a great idea for things like tiles or wallpaper where you can buy
more than enough then return the excess - but those would be unopened.
Some seem to make a hobby out of buying things they have no intention of
keeping and returning them after having a play.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:36:33 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Presumably it is their suppliers who are letting them down as I don't
suppose Argos pack the individual items.

I don't think so.

At present they probably assume that just replacing a faulty item is
all that is needed to wash the problem away.

They make a big song and dance about that and they do take almost anything
back for a refund/replacemnet without a quibble.

The lady with the monoblock tap recounted the tale of a TV remote she
bought there. One of the 'does it all thingys'. It came with a card so
you could fill in which channel was activated by which button - the card
had already been filled in.

And then just stick a bit of sellotape on the open box and put it back
onto the shelf to be resold. Eventually some punter will buy it and not
bring it back, it's not "British" to complain after all.

I've had similar, obvious customer returns sold as new stock, from DSG
Retail Limited companies (Dixons, Currys, PC World, The Link, PartMaster,
Microwarehouse and probably others). I didn't think that Argos stooped
that low, I shall now check everything in store if the makers seals look
disturbed.

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Dave.

On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:44:17 UTC, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

And then just stick a bit of sellotape on the open box and put it back
onto the shelf to be resold. Eventually some punter will buy it and not
bring it back, it's not "British" to complain after all.

I've had similar, obvious customer returns sold as new stock, from DSG
Retail Limited companies (Dixons, Currys, PC World, The Link, PartMaster,
Microwarehouse and probably others). I didn't think that Argos stooped
that low, I shall now check everything in store if the makers seals look
disturbed.

I think it really does depend on how well the individual store is
managed. This is usually the case with any store - the customer
experience can be vastly different depending on the overall management.

The Argos that Dave uses (Chatham High Street?) may just need a better
manager.

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On 5 Mar, 00:36, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
John wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news:47cdca23@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-04 21:56:41 +0000, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

After the keyed alike mailbox incident I'm not buying another thing
from this bunch of muppets.

SWMBO did however, a self assembly work station for her new PC. Four
separate items were completely missing, unit couldn't be
assembled without
them - not talking screws or cam joints here, components specific
to the unit.

Then I worked for a lady today, installing a monoblock mixer she had
bought
from Argos. *Bolts & shaped washer listed on diagram, not in the
box. As much use as a back pocket in a sock.

I don't know why people go to these places...

Presumably it is their suppliers who are letting them down as I don't
suppose Argos pack the individual items. They should get more strict
with them and impose financial penalties for failures.
At present they probably assume that just replacing a faulty item is
all that is needed to wash the problem away.

The lady with the monoblock tap recounted the tale of a TV remote she bought
there. *One of the 'does it all thingys'. *It came with a card so you could
fill in which channel was activated by which button - the card had already
been filled in.

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I tried on a suit in C&A once. I found some paper in the inside
pocket.....it was a best man's wedding speech!

Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:44:17 UTC, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

And then just stick a bit of sellotape on the open box and put it
back onto the shelf to be resold. Eventually some punter will buy it
and not bring it back, it's not "British" to complain after all.

I've had similar, obvious customer returns sold as new stock, from
DSG Retail Limited companies (Dixons, Currys, PC World, The Link,
PartMaster, Microwarehouse and probably others). I didn't think that
Argos stooped that low, I shall now check everything in store if the
makers seals look disturbed.

I think it really does depend on how well the individual store is
managed. This is usually the case with any store - the customer
experience can be vastly different depending on the overall
management.

The Argos that Dave uses (Chatham High Street?) may just need a better
manager.

Strood Retail Park :-)


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:15:00 UTC, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

The Argos that Dave uses (Chatham High Street?) may just need a better
manager.

Strood Retail Park :-)

Ah, well, Strood. That's it then...! :-)

(spent 2 hours getting home from Pembroke tonight - usually takes 40
mins. Bloody French.)

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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
m...
Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:44:17 UTC, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

And then just stick a bit of sellotape on the open box and put it
back onto the shelf to be resold. Eventually some punter will buy it
and not bring it back, it's not "British" to complain after all.

I've had similar, obvious customer returns sold as new stock, from
DSG Retail Limited companies (Dixons, Currys, PC World, The Link,
PartMaster, Microwarehouse and probably others). I didn't think that
Argos stooped that low, I shall now check everything in store if the
makers seals look disturbed.

The only place this happened to me was Habitat. So Argos stoop as low as
Habitat. I don't think you can pick one from another!


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Bob Mannix wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
m...
Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:44:17 UTC, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

And then just stick a bit of sellotape on the open box and put it
back onto the shelf to be resold. Eventually some punter will buy it
and not bring it back, it's not "British" to complain after all.

I've had similar, obvious customer returns sold as new stock, from
DSG Retail Limited companies (Dixons, Currys, PC World, The Link,
PartMaster, Microwarehouse and probably others). I didn't think that
Argos stooped that low, I shall now check everything in store if the
makers seals look disturbed.

The only place this happened to me was Habitat. So Argos stoop as low as
Habitat. I don't think you can pick one from another!


Don't miss Staples - they certainly used to be chock full of returned
computer stuff being sold 'as new'.

They seem to have a policy that allows customers to take stuff home and
use it for 14 days and then return it for a full refund even if used. We
were offered this on a colour laser printer and they would rather do
this than produce even a single sample sheet. Of course, by the time
someone has taken it home (or to the office), set it up, started using
the consumables, run off as many prints as they can within 14 days and
returned it, it really is no longer new.

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and is often undiagnosed.
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in 710952 20080305 220553 "Bob Eager" wrote:

(spent 2 hours getting home from Pembroke tonight - usually takes 40
mins. Bloody French.)

Pembroke to Canterbury via France in 40 minutes?
I thought Concorde had been retired?

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:21:54 +0000, Rod wrote:

They seem to have a policy that allows customers to take stuff home and
use it for 14 days and then return it for a full refund even if used. We
were offered this on a colour laser printer and they would rather do
this than produce even a single sample sheet. Of course, by the time
someone has taken it home (or to the office), set it up, started using
the consumables, run off as many prints as they can within 14 days and
returned it, it really is no longer new.

I don't have a problem with that policy, it enables you to properly test
the kit in your enviroment with your systems. Computer stuff being what it
is this is the only real way to see if it will work properly...

Yes it would be nice to have the abilty to bring in a disc with a few
sample images stuff them into an in store 'puter then print on a selection
of the in store printers but that is only have the story.

The problem is what the store does with any returns. Sealing back up, and
putting back on the shelf "as new" is morally if not legally wrong.
Sealing back up and putting back on the shelf as a "customer return" and
£20 or £50 off the price is fine and despite any disclaimers the store may
have about no returns I don't that such terms are enforceable under
*consumer* legislation. Business to business might be different.

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Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

I've had similar, obvious customer returns sold as new stock, from DSG
Retail Limited companies (Dixons, Currys, PC World, The Link, PartMaster,
Microwarehouse and probably others). I didn't think that Argos stooped
that low, I shall now check everything in store if the makers seals look
disturbed.


If the store leaves the makers ' seals intact, that is. You will notice
that all such seals are removed from goods sold by DSG, even the genuine
new stock.

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On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:54:06 +0000, Howard Neil wrote:

If the store leaves the makers ' seals intact, that is. You will notice
that all such seals are removed from goods sold by DSG, even the genuine
new stock.

Can't say I've noticed I rarely visit DSG outlets unless bored and have
some time to kill.

--
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Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:21:54 +0000, Rod wrote:

They seem to have a policy that allows customers to take stuff home and
use it for 14 days and then return it for a full refund even if used. We
were offered this on a colour laser printer and they would rather do
this than produce even a single sample sheet. Of course, by the time
someone has taken it home (or to the office), set it up, started using
the consumables, run off as many prints as they can within 14 days and
returned it, it really is no longer new.

I don't have a problem with that policy, it enables you to properly test
the kit in your enviroment with your systems. Computer stuff being what it
is this is the only real way to see if it will work properly...

Agreed - for the person who gets a brand new item to test.

Yes it would be nice to have the abilty to bring in a disc with a few
sample images stuff them into an in store 'puter then print on a selection
of the in store printers but that is only have the story.

They didn't even have a single sheet of manufacturer's sample output.
Nor a single printer that was connected to power.

The problem is what the store does with any returns. Sealing back up, and
putting back on the shelf "as new" is morally if not legally wrong.
Sealing back up and putting back on the shelf as a "customer return" and
£20 or £50 off the price is fine and despite any disclaimers the store may
have about no returns I don't that such terms are enforceable under
*consumer* legislation. Business to business might be different.

Absolutely. Especially if the package doesn't even include all the bits
it should.

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Hypothyroidism is a common, serious condition with an insidious onset
and is often undiagnosed.
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:51:19 UTC, Bob Martin
wrote:

in 710952 20080305 220553 "Bob Eager" wrote:

(spent 2 hours getting home from Pembroke tonight - usually takes 40
mins. Bloody French.)

Pembroke to Canterbury via France in 40 minutes?
I thought Concorde had been retired?

You have to know the geography! 'Pembroke' is the old naval base in
Chatham, 30 miles from home. The Sea France strike caused the M20 to be
closed, other roads to become clogged and the M2 (my route home) to come
to a standstill!
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...
Peter Lynch wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:56:41 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:
After the keyed alike mailbox incident I'm not buying another thing
from this bunch of muppets.

SWMBO did however, a self assembly work station for her new PC. Four
separate items were completely missing, unit couldn't be assembled
without them - not talking screws or cam joints here, components
specific to the unit.

Then I worked for a lady today, installing a monoblock mixer she had
bought from Argos. Bolts & shaped washer listed on diagram, not in
the box.

Personally, I'm very glad we have poeple like you in our society.
You attract all the million-to-one chances of bad luck. Leaving the
rest of us to lead normal, happy lives where we can use Argos, MFI
and other low cost stores in the knowledge that all the crap is going
to happen to some other punter.
Keep up the good work :-)

Or it could be that I take more chances. Only the bad bits are news.

I'd absolutely hate to lead a 'normal' life.

I am not sure what a "normal life" is. This week I am subbing for a LA
(there are still some LAs in Yorkshire I am not banned from working for). It
would seem a "normal life" for most tennants is watching TV all day and
using the shopping channels.

Adam

On 2008-03-06 21:30:15 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:

I am not sure what a "normal life" is. This week I am subbing for a LA
(there are still some LAs in Yorkshire I am not banned from working
for). It would seem a "normal life" for most tennants is watching TV
all day and using the shopping channels.

Adam

What did you do to the others?

ARWadworth wrote in message

(there are still some LAs in Yorkshire I am not banned from working for).

Tut
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in 711199 20080306 163229 "Bob Eager" wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:51:19 UTC, Bob Martin
wrote:

in 710952 20080305 220553 "Bob Eager" wrote:

(spent 2 hours getting home from Pembroke tonight - usually takes 40
mins. Bloody French.)

Pembroke to Canterbury via France in 40 minutes?
I thought Concorde had been retired?

You have to know the geography! 'Pembroke' is the old naval base in
Chatham, 30 miles from home. The Sea France strike caused the M20 to be
closed, other roads to become clogged and the M2 (my route home) to come
to a standstill!

I grew up in Sittingbourne so knew HMS Pembroke was at Chatham(*) but I thought
everything naval had gone from Chatham and Sheerness many moons ago.
What's there now?

(*) Lost 2 friends when the bus ran down the Sea Cadets.

On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:11:34 UTC, Bob Martin
wrote:

in 711199 20080306 163229 "Bob Eager" wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:51:19 UTC, Bob Martin
wrote:

in 710952 20080305 220553 "Bob Eager" wrote:

(spent 2 hours getting home from Pembroke tonight - usually takes 40
mins. Bloody French.)

Pembroke to Canterbury via France in 40 minutes?
I thought Concorde had been retired?

You have to know the geography! 'Pembroke' is the old naval base in
Chatham, 30 miles from home. The Sea France strike caused the M20 to be
closed, other roads to become clogged and the M2 (my route home) to come
to a standstill!

I grew up in Sittingbourne so knew HMS Pembroke was at Chatham(*) but I thought
everything naval had gone from Chatham and Sheerness many moons ago.
What's there now?

Universities at Medway! A shared campus with secondary campus for
University of Kent (me), also Greenwich and Christ Church Canterbury.
Greenwich use the old buildings mainly, Kent have two new ones, and
Christchurch have a big new building.

The Drill Hall is now a library (longest one in Europe apparently) and
the mess hall (I think) is now - a mess hall! These are shared.

I find it weird working there as my father, before he died, was involved
for many years regionally with Sea Cadets and Marine cadets, and I keep
thinking that he's seen all these places many times in the base's
previous incarnation.
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On Mar 6, 10:19*am, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:21:54 +0000, Rod wrote:
They seem to have a policy that allows customers to take stuff home and
use it for 14 days and then return it for a full refund even if used. We
were offered this on a colour laser printer and they would rather do
this than produce even a single sample sheet. Of course, by the time
someone has taken it home (or to the office), set it up, started using
the consumables, run off as many prints as they can within 14 days and
returned it, it really is no longer new.

I don't have a problem with that policy, it enables you to properly test
the kit in your enviroment with your systems. Computer stuff being what it
is this is the only real way to see if it will work properly...

Yes it would be nice to have the abilty to bring in a disc with a few
sample images stuff them into an in store 'puter then print on a selection
of the in store printers but that is only have the story.

The problem is what the store does with any returns. Sealing back up, and
putting back on the shelf "as new" is morally if not legally wrong.
Sealing back up and putting back on the shelf as a "customer return" and
£20 or £50 off the price is fine and despite any disclaimers the store may
have about no returns I don't that such terms are enforceable under
*consumer* legislation. Business to business might be different.

If buying B2B you have no or very few rights under the Sale of Goods
Act. That's why the till staff at PC World ask if you are buying for a
business. Just say no.

MBQ

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.net...
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:36:33 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Presumably it is their suppliers who are letting them down as I don't
suppose Argos pack the individual items.

I don't think so.

At present they probably assume that just replacing a faulty item is
all that is needed to wash the problem away.

They make a big song and dance about that and they do take almost anything
back for a refund/replacemnet without a quibble.

The lady with the monoblock tap recounted the tale of a TV remote she
bought there. One of the 'does it all thingys'. It came with a card so
you could fill in which channel was activated by which button - the card
had already been filled in.

And then just stick a bit of sellotape on the open box and put it back
onto the shelf to be resold. Eventually some punter will buy it and not
bring it back, it's not "British" to complain after all.

I've had similar, obvious customer returns sold as new stock, from DSG
Retail Limited companies (Dixons, Currys, PC World, The Link, PartMaster,
Microwarehouse and probably others). I didn't think that Argos stooped
that low, I shall now check everything in store if the makers seals look
disturbed.

There was a case some time ago, maybe in uk.legal, and I think it was Argos
where a customer bought something, found it had been opened previously and
it wasn't even the advertised bit of kit inside the box any longer. When
they took it back the store manager accused them of swapping the original
goods for this cheaper item rather than whoever had bought it previously
despite having not a shred of evidence to back this up. He called the police
and the hapless customer was arrested and charged with theft or fraud which
dragged on until it was established that the goods had been the subject of a
previous return. ******** to that I thought. It's grief enough to find you
haven't bought what you thought you had without getting marched off to a
police station into the bargain through no fault of your own.

From now on I think I'll open anything I buy in front of the salesman before
accepting it.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:47d0643e@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-06 21:30:15 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:

I am not sure what a "normal life" is. This week I am subbing for a LA
(there are still some LAs in Yorkshire I am not banned from working for).
It would seem a "normal life" for most tennants is watching TV all day
and using the shopping channels.

Adam

What did you do to the others?

Made a full list of the extras I did along with the number of hours wasted
due to their incompetence and billed them. When they did not pay I then
threatened them with small cailms court and in one case had to issuse a
claim.

There was one LA that stopped using me after an argument because I parked in
the wrong spot in a depot. It was not enough for me to just move the van as
I had parked in Bill's place.

Adam

On 2008-03-07 18:27:44 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:47d0643e@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-06 21:30:15 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:

I am not sure what a "normal life" is. This week I am subbing for a LA
(there are still some LAs in Yorkshire I am not banned from working
for). It would seem a "normal life" for most tennants is watching TV
all day and using the shopping channels.

Adam

What did you do to the others?

Made a full list of the extras I did along with the number of hours
wasted due to their incompetence and billed them. When they did not pay
I then threatened them with small cailms court and in one case had to
issuse a claim.

There was one LA that stopped using me after an argument because I
parked in the wrong spot in a depot. It was not enough for me to just
move the van as I had parked in Bill's place.

Adam

This is another demonstration of why all these people should be issued
with a P45. Immediately.

They have no concept of the cost of time. People that don't respect
that concept are not worth supplyng anyway

Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:11:34 UTC, Bob Martin
wrote:

in 711199 20080306 163229 "Bob Eager" wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:51:19 UTC, Bob Martin
wrote:

in 710952 20080305 220553 "Bob Eager" wrote:

(spent 2 hours getting home from Pembroke tonight - usually takes
40 mins. Bloody French.)

Pembroke to Canterbury via France in 40 minutes?
I thought Concorde had been retired?

You have to know the geography! 'Pembroke' is the old naval base in
Chatham, 30 miles from home. The Sea France strike caused the M20
to be closed, other roads to become clogged and the M2 (my route
home) to come to a standstill!

I grew up in Sittingbourne so knew HMS Pembroke was at Chatham(*)
but I thought everything naval had gone from Chatham and Sheerness
many moons ago.
What's there now?

Universities at Medway! A shared campus with secondary campus for
University of Kent (me), also Greenwich and Christ Church Canterbury.
Greenwich use the old buildings mainly, Kent have two new ones, and
Christchurch have a big new building.

The Drill Hall is now a library (longest one in Europe apparently) and
the mess hall (I think) is now - a mess hall! These are shared.

Also the housing development St Marys Island
http://ssw.countryside-properties.co...nd/concept.htm


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:47d1c09f@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-07 18:27:44 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:47d0643e@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-06 21:30:15 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:

I am not sure what a "normal life" is. This week I am subbing for a LA
(there are still some LAs in Yorkshire I am not banned from working
for). It would seem a "normal life" for most tennants is watching TV
all day and using the shopping channels.

Adam

What did you do to the others?

Made a full list of the extras I did along with the number of hours
wasted due to their incompetence and billed them. When they did not pay I
then threatened them with small cailms court and in one case had to
issuse a claim.

There was one LA that stopped using me after an argument because I parked
in the wrong spot in a depot. It was not enough for me to just move the
van as I had parked in Bill's place.

Adam

This is another demonstration of why all these people should be issued
with a P45. Immediately.

They have no concept of the cost of time. People that don't respect that
concept are not worth supplyng anyway

It is not their time. It is the council taxpayers time and money.

A friend of mine lives in a council house and she is having a new bathroom
fitted. The council have been at this for over two weeks now and most of the
different trades that have arrived have left a note saying they cannot gain
access and can she call them to arrange a convenient time. The reason she is
not in is because she works full time and a key for the house was left with
the site foreman.

A good waste of time was sending an electrician to remove the radiator earth
clamp so the plumbers could call the next day to remove the radiator to
allow the plasterers to plaster the wall. That exercise took 5 days in
total. I know self employed plasterers that would have whipped the rad off
and done the job in one day.

On the plus side only one tile has been put on upside down.

If all council workmen were made to go self employed the job would be done
properly in half the time.

Adam

On 2008-03-08 09:27:02 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:47d1c09f@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-07 18:27:44 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:47d0643e@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-06 21:30:15 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:

I am not sure what a "normal life" is. This week I am subbing for a LA
(there are still some LAs in Yorkshire I am not banned from working
for). It would seem a "normal life" for most tennants is watching TV
all day and using the shopping channels.

Adam

What did you do to the others?

Made a full list of the extras I did along with the number of hours
wasted due to their incompetence and billed them. When they did not pay
I then threatened them with small cailms court and in one case had to
issuse a claim.

There was one LA that stopped using me after an argument because I
parked in the wrong spot in a depot. It was not enough for me to just
move the van as I had parked in Bill's place.

Adam

This is another demonstration of why all these people should be issued
with a P45. Immediately.

They have no concept of the cost of time. People that don't respect
that concept are not worth supplyng anyway

It is not their time. It is the council taxpayers time and money.

That;s true as well. From your perspective as a supplier, they
havedicked around and wasted your time. There is a cost associated
with that. The disconnect is that they don't realise that there is a
cost because time doesn't enter into their pathetic world.




A friend of mine lives in a council house and she is having a new
bathroom fitted. The council have been at this for over two weeks now
and most of the different trades that have arrived have left a note
saying they cannot gain access and can she call them to arrange a
convenient time. The reason she is not in is because she works full
time and a key for the house was left with the site foreman.

A good waste of time was sending an electrician to remove the radiator
earth clamp so the plumbers could call the next day to remove the
radiator to allow the plasterers to plaster the wall. That exercise
took 5 days in total. I know self employed plasterers that would have
whipped the rad off and done the job in one day.

On the plus side only one tile has been put on upside down.

If all council workmen were made to go self employed the job would be
done properly in half the time.



That may be true. The real answer is cancellation of final salary
pension schemes and mass sackings from local authorities.
Draconian measures like this are required to focuse the mind, There
is no point at all in fannying around at the edges. Sicing through the
carotid with immediate effect is needed.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-03-08 09:27:02 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news:47d1c09f@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-07 18:27:44 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news:47d0643e@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-06 21:30:15 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:



Snip

If all council workmen were made to go self employed the job would be
done properly in half the time.



That may be true. The real answer is cancellation of final salary
pension schemes and mass sackings from local authorities.
Draconian measures like this are required to focuse the mind, There
is no point at all in fannying around at the edges. Sicing through
the carotid with immediate effect is needed.

I wouldn't go quite as far as that, but properly funded pensions in the
State sector must be created. The present mess of insufficiently funded
atate schemes being supported by the tax payer must be resolved.

On 2008-03-08 21:00:18 +0000, "Clot" said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-03-08 09:27:02 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news:47d1c09f@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-07 18:27:44 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news:47d0643e@qaanaaq...
On 2008-03-06 21:30:15 +0000, "ARWadworth"
said:



Snip

If all council workmen were made to go self employed the job would be
done properly in half the time.



That may be true. The real answer is cancellation of final salary
pension schemes and mass sackings from local authorities.
Draconian measures like this are required to focuse the mind, There
is no point at all in fannying around at the edges. Sicing through
the carotid with immediate effect is needed.

I wouldn't go quite as far as that, but properly funded pensions in the
State sector must be created. The present mess of insufficiently funded
atate schemes being supported by the tax payer must be resolved.

Ideally by closing them all.