http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.


How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)
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How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

48 IIRC (10 in the computer room alone)

On 01/01/2008 14:07 Mogga wrote:

How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

84, also in 4 bedroom house. You can't have too many!

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In article ,
Mogga writes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.


How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

Is that counting doubles as 1 or 2?

I've got 22 in a 1990 3 bed house, mostly doubles, a few singles,
and a triple. About 7 of these were added by me, and there are
some places where it could do with more when I get round to it.

In a 3 bed house I rewired in 2000, there are 25, mostly doubles.
That's about twice as many as it had originally (which I believe
conformed to the Parker Morris standard, as that was a condition
of the grant which payed for the original rewire in the early
1970's, according to the paperwork I got). The NHBC basically
took over the original Parker Morris standards, although they
were aimed at social/council housing originally.

In the US (some states at least), there's a rule along the lines
(can't recall exact details)... An appliance with a 6' power cord
must be able to be positioned anywhere around the edge of the room
and plugged in, without the cord crossing any doorway. I quite like
that idea.


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On 1 Jan, 14:07, Mogga wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.

How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)
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Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for deliveryhttp://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk
Or get it delivered for free

83 - 4bed house

In article ,
Mogga wrote:
How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

How about how many not having something permanently plugged in?

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On 01/01/2008 14:54 F wrote:

84, also in 4 bedroom house. You can't have too many!

In the interests of transparency/accuracy, that's counting a double as two.

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On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:54:22 UTC, F wrote:

On 01/01/2008 14:07 Mogga wrote:

How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

84, also in 4 bedroom house. You can't have too many!

80, but it's 5 bed. (and 27 UTP sockets for the network)

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from (Andrew Gabriel) contains these words:

In the US (some states at least), there's a rule along the lines
(can't recall exact details)... An appliance with a 6' power cord
must be able to be positioned anywhere around the edge of the room
and plugged in, without the cord crossing any doorway. I quite like
that idea.

True and it's good. However whether you can actually USE the said
appliance in the said receptacle is another question completely. No
ring circuits in the US and with the low voltage it doesn't take much to
use up the available current from a radial circuit to the point at which
the circuit breaker trips at the panel in the basement.

In article , Bob Eager
scribeth thus
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:54:22 UTC, F wrote:

On 01/01/2008 14:07 Mogga wrote:

How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

84, also in 4 bedroom house. You can't have too many!

80, but it's 5 bed. (and 27 UTP sockets for the network)

Jeezz.. I thought our 24 was enough!..seems not!...


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"Mogga" wrote in message
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.

and how many three bedroom houses do you know with a kitchen AND a utility
room AND two reception rooms?

OK no doubt there are some, but the normal little box does not.

Anyway, I have 8 in the living room, 4 in the kitchen (not counting the
under worktop ones that the washers are permanently wired into), 6 in the
master and 4 in the second bedroom. And none in the hallway which makes
vacuuming it a bugger.

tim

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Mogga writes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.


How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

Is that counting doubles as 1 or 2?

it's individual sockets. so a double is 2.

tim

"Anne Jackson" wrote in message
...
The message from Mogga contains these
words:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.


How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

20 in a three bedroom. Most of them have been changed to double sockets,
and there's a couple of 'trebles'. This house was built in 1948.

You got lucky. The 1950's house that I first rented had 1 single socket in
each bedroom, 2 singles in the living room and 2 singles (plus one on the
cooker switch, as was normal then) in the kitchen. Even if all the singles
were changed to doubles there would still only be 15.

tim

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:11:41 UTC, "tim....."
wrote:


"Mogga" wrote in message
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.

and how many three bedroom houses do you know with a kitchen AND a utility
room AND two reception rooms?

OK no doubt there are some, but the normal little box does not.

Anyway, I have 8 in the living room, 4 in the kitchen (not counting the
under worktop ones that the washers are permanently wired into), 6 in the
master and 4 in the second bedroom. And none in the hallway which makes
vacuuming it a bugger.

Ah. Forgot the two in the hallway. 82.

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"Mogga" wrote in message
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.


How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

Lets see now....

actual sockets in the main house 39
in my indoor workshop 22
outdoor sockets 6
garage and outdoor workshop 24
summer house plus hut 5

That count includes about eight sockets into which I have had to add 4 to 12
way strip sockets for the likes of TV's and PC's etc, but the strip outlets
themselves have been omitted from the count. Twin outlets counted as 2. It
seems every I redecorate a room, I need to consider adding yet more outlets.



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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:29:41 +0000, Colin Wilson wrote:

How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

48 IIRC (10 in the computer room alone)

39 3 bed house. Wiring about 25 years old with some extras.


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"tim....." wrote in
:

"Mogga" wrote in message
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets,
more than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the
National House Building Council's technical standards - revised
up last year from 21 sockets - which cover more than 80% of new
homes built in the UK.

and how many three bedroom houses do you know with a kitchen AND a
utility room AND two reception rooms?

OK no doubt there are some, but the normal little box does not.

Err... This one has. But then it's an 1830s twin fronted terraced
house, and probably doesn't count as a 'normal little box'.

Anyway, I have 8 in the living room, 4 in the kitchen (not
counting the under worktop ones that the washers are permanently
wired into), 6 in the master and 4 in the second bedroom. And
none in the hallway which makes vacuuming it a bugger.

32 doubles here = 64 sockets
(I see elsethread that 1 x double = 2)

And yes, there are useful sockets in the hall (including 1 under the
stairs for the colour laser printer that SWMBO hates (too big,
doesn't match the decor) and soon my newly acquired NAS) and on the
landing. But the number excludes the 3 doubles in the shed, not to
mention the 30A outlet for the kiln and the assorted dedicated FCUs
around the place...

We had the electrics revamped as part of the renovation - the power
circuits were radial, so the ring final circuits are new, as is the
submain out to the shed. The sparky who did the work said he'd never
seen so many sockets in a small house...

Kind regards

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Mogga wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.


How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

Counting a double as two I get about 93. Got another 24 in my workshop,
and about 8 in the other outbuilding. (1956, 5 bed extended semi -
re-wired once prior to our owning it, and then dramatically extended
electrics since)

(However that excludes the 68 or so in my office that are on the ends of
flying leads in equipment racks and on UPSs etc).

By comparison, my neighbour (unaltered 3 bed semi) had something like 16
in total before I rewired it. (he's got 70 inside and two outside now)

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Owain wrote:

Anyway, aren't they plugs

No they're sockets, or socket-outlets in formal BS 7671-speak. (Cue
'60s BBC2: "it might be a plug to you, but it's a socket-to-me" boom boom.)

and the things you plug into them are plugtops?

"Plug-top" has become common industry parlance for "plug" but AIUI it
originally referred to the body of the plug containing the terminals and
fuse (if any), but excluding the external pins.

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"Mogga" wrote in message
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.


How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

My dads has 11 in a three bed.
Needless to say there are a few extentions about.

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:07:54 +0000, Mogga
wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.

I don't see what business it is of the NHBC how many sockets I have in
my house.

--
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Frank Erskine wrote:
I don't see what business it is of the NHBC how many sockets I have in
my house.


It isn't. But it is their business to suggest how many should go into a
new house built to NHBC standards.

Andy (A mere 40 sockets here)

In article ,
says...
How many sockets do you have?


About half what we need.

30, I think. And another 12 in the conservatory and 18 in the
garage/workshop.

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In article , owain47125
@stirlingcity.coo.uk says...
My mother's house, built in 1968 with NHBC, had 7 singles, including the
cooker point. The smallest bedroom had none.

When we lived in Hounslow the old dear up the road had the original
electricity company "minimum installation" - two sockets and two lights,
IIRC.
She had a flying lead running to upstairs to power a bedside lamp and
that was it.
She also had an outside toilet. The up-side to all this was she had a
peppercorn rent.

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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:36:23 +0000, Andy Champ
wrote:

Frank Erskine wrote:
I don't see what business it is of the NHBC how many sockets I have in
my house.


It isn't. But it is their business to suggest how many should go into a
new house built to NHBC standards.

Andy (A mere 40 sockets here)


But at the same time as we're being harrassed about using less energy
maybe having so many sockets encourages you to waste energy? If you
had limited sockets you'd have to unplug chargers and other wasteful
leave-ons wouldn't you?
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On 02/01/2008 10:39 Mogga wrote:

But at the same time as we're being harrassed about using less energy
maybe having so many sockets encourages you to waste energy?

No, it just makes using what you're using more convenient/easier/safer.
It's the attitude to energy use (and saving £££s) that matters in terms
of using less.

We've got two toilets: a friend once told me we should pay more in water
charges. Must have thought that two toilets meant we peed twice as often...

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In article ,
F wrote:
But at the same time as we're being harrassed about using less energy
maybe having so many sockets encourages you to waste energy?

No, it just makes using what you're using more convenient/easier/safer.
It's the attitude to energy use (and saving £££s) that matters in terms
of using less.

Not sure about that. If you have plenty sockets you'll leave things - like
wall warts - plugged in and they take some current even when not actually
in use. If you have to unplug them to plug in something else
they can't. ;-)

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Mogga wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.

How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)
--
http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk
Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery
http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk
Or get it delivered for free

In a 4-bed mid-60s 3-storey terrace, about 16, from memory. The wiring's
original, about half of the sockets and light switches look to be
original, and the circuit breaker box still has its signed QA sticker
dated some time in early 1965. Needless to say, there are a few more
extensions and multiplugs than most houses have. I'm leaving it up the the
next owner to think about a total rewire. Just out of interest, is there a
minimum height for new-fit sockets? A neighbour rewired his (identical)
house, and fitted a lot more sockets, all about 500mm up the wall.

"Robert Campbell" wrote in message
...
Mogga wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.

How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)
--
http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk
Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery
http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk
Or get it delivered for free

In a 4-bed mid-60s 3-storey terrace, about 16, from memory. The wiring's
original, about half of the sockets and light switches look to be
original, and the circuit breaker box still has its signed QA sticker
dated some time in early 1965. Needless to say, there are a few more
extensions and multiplugs than most houses have. I'm leaving it up the the
next owner to think about a total rewire. Just out of interest, is there a
minimum height for new-fit sockets? A neighbour rewired his (identical)
house, and fitted a lot more sockets, all about 500mm up the wall.

Not for new-fit sockets as such but for sockets in new build (including
extensions etc) - minimum 450mm. New sockets in existing build are exampt
IIRC. I guess they just did what they were used to. Access for differently
abled etc., who may purchase the property after you.


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On 02/01/2008 13:54 Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If you have plenty sockets you'll leave things - like
wall warts - plugged in and they take some current even when not actually
in use. If you have to unplug them to plug in something else
they can't. ;-)

I can see that, but it's also the point I was making. If you're
bothered, you turn them off when they're not being used.

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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:27:43 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:07:54 +0000, Mogga
wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.

I don't see what business it is of the NHBC how many sockets I have in
my house.

I they didn't do that then they would do what a developer did for a brand
new 2 bed flat in 1978. Total 12 (most of which were doubles).

At least by specifying the standard some scumbag cheap skate might be
prevented from making a balls-up just to save a tiny fraction of the
total cost.


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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:15:08 +0000 (UTC), Ed Sirett
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:27:43 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:07:54 +0000, Mogga
wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.

I don't see what business it is of the NHBC how many sockets I have in
my house.

I they didn't do that then they would do what a developer did for a brand
new 2 bed flat in 1978. Total 12 (most of which were doubles).

Surely it's up to the buyer to decide how many sockets (and
whereabouts) in the house?

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In message , Mogga
writes

How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

I'm not sure, a quick estimate gives around 150, but that includes shed,
garage etc., and also fixed_in_place extension sockets.



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writes

We've got two toilets: a friend once told me we should pay more in
water charges. Must have thought that two toilets meant we peed twice
as often...

Sounds a bit like the government wanting to CO2_tax cars on CO2gm/km,
rather than just putting the CO2_tax on the petrol you actually use /
the CO2 you actually emit . . . and then not bothering to CO2_tax
domestic gas and electricity.

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bof wrote:
In message , Mogga
writes

How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

I'm not sure, a quick estimate gives around 150, but that includes shed,
garage etc., and also fixed_in_place extension sockets.



Just had a count up and In this 4 bed house there are 125 sockets, this
does not include shed or any 4 way exts of which there are a few.

Mogga wrote:


How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

44 in a 2 bed.

Mogga wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm

A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.

How many sockets do you have?

(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

House built in 1970:

Lounge: 1x single, 1x double
Dining Area: 2x single
Hall: 1x single
Kitchen: 1x double, 1x single.
Landing: 1x single
Bedrooms (3): 2x single

Total: 16

Extension leads:

Lounge: 1x6w, 1x4w
Kitchen: 2x4w
Dining Area: 1x6w
Bedrooms: 2x6w, 2x4w
Power to garage: 1x4w, then 3x4w

Total: 60

Grand Total: 76
..

In message , Mogga
writes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6705313.stm
A three-bedroom house built today must have at least 38 sockets, more
than twice as many as 30 years ago. This is set by the National House
Building Council's technical standards - revised up last year from 21
sockets - which cover more than 80% of new homes built in the UK.


How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

We have 65 (I think) in what is a largish Victorian 4 bed - so we have a
pantry, utility, 3 recp. etc. Some are in odd places as well. eg the 2
doubles in the dining room are now inside built in cupboards. 7 sockets
in sitting room, but TV/audio etc. all run out of one socket in one
corner

We had IIRC 54 in our old 3 bed semi that I had rewired (sounds low now
I think about it)

Not including all the multiway extensions though.....

What about room average then? (not inc. bathrooms/toilets, but hallway
and landing 1 room each)

Current house: 4.65

Old house: 6.75


--
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How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

92 outlets in a 1895 terrace, rewired in 1993.
4 bed, 2 kitchen, cellar, laundry room, 2 bath, shed, roof spaces.

I need more in the office for the computer stuff. Will have to put
another ring in.

--
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On 4 Jan, 15:21, wrote:
How many sockets do you have?
(We have 68 in a 4 bed)

92 outlets in a 1895 terrace, rewired in 1993.
4 bed, 2 kitchen, cellar, laundry room, 2 bath, shed, roof spaces.

I need more in the office for the computer stuff. Will have to put
another ring in.

--
JGH

Two kitchens. Sounds interesting.
Simon.