What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would happen
if he didn't put the building notice in.

Cheers

Martin
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Martin Carroll

Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would happen
if he didn't put the building notice in.

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked for
proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot produce the
documentation then they will have to pay to get it inspected and approved.
It is much easier and cheaper to get it done according to the rules.

Peter Crosland

"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
...
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would happen
if he didn't put the building notice in.

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked for
proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot produce the
documentation then they will have to pay to get it inspected and approved.
It is much easier and cheaper to get it done according to the rules.

Peter Crosland


I cannot understand why he would not notify it. Unless its not being fitted
properly.

Rgds
Steve
(also unvented registered)

Stephen Dawson wrote:
"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
...
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?


I cannot understand why he would not notify it. Unless its not being fitted
properly.

To save the building notice fee presumably.

David

Lobster wrote:
Stephen Dawson wrote:
"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
...
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?


I cannot understand why he would not notify it. Unless its not being
fitted properly.

To save the building notice fee presumably.

David


I would assume that he is qualified and registered through a company he
works for but the registration will not cover him for doing a homer for a
mate. Corgi registration normally works this way I believe.

cheers

David

wrote:
On 7 Dec,
DM wrote:

I would assume that he is qualified and registered through a company he
works for but the registration will not cover him for doing a homer for a
mate. Corgi registration normally works this way I believe.

I think I saw on their website sometime recently that they have set up a
class of registration to cover the homers.

Found it

http://www.trustcorgi.com/news/corgi/AdditionalCORGIRegistration.htmx

Still costs £175 though.


Interesting... It also notes that people may well be in breach of their
employment contract if they carry out such work. It is a slightly dubious
position for many people to be in, - by taking out the registration they
show there intent to carry out extra jobs. This could put them in a tight
spot with their employers, and I imagine for a lot of them the tax man as
well.

Still it gets Corgi an extra few bob , which is all they are interested in
at the end of the day as far as I can tell


cheers

David

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:21 -0000, Peter Crosland wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would happen
if he didn't put the building notice in.

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked for
proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot produce the
documentation then they will have to pay to get it inspected and approved.
It is much easier and cheaper to get it done according to the rules.

Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

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Peter Lynch wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:21 -0000, Peter Crosland wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would
happen if he didn't put the building notice in.

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked
for proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot
produce the documentation then they will have to pay to get it
inspected and approved. It is much easier and cheaper to get it done
according to the rules.

Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

In theory yes but it would be stupid to do so.

Peter Crosland

Peter Crosland wrote:
Peter Lynch wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:21 -0000, Peter Crosland wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would
happen if he didn't put the building notice in.
If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked
for proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot
produce the documentation then they will have to pay to get it
inspected and approved. It is much easier and cheaper to get it done
according to the rules.
Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

In theory yes but it would be stupid to do so.


Not really.

Peter Crosland

On Dec 6, 11:30 pm, "Peter Crosland" wrote:
Peter Lynch wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:21 -0000, Peter Crosland wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would
happen if he didn't put the building notice in.

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked
for proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot
produce the documentation then they will have to pay to get it
inspected and approved. It is much easier and cheaper to get it done
according to the rules.

Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

In theory yes but it would be stupid to do so.

Peter Crosland

It was eminently sensible for the buyer of the last house I sold.

MBQ

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:58:21 +0000, Peter Lynch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:21 -0000, Peter Crosland wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would happen
if he didn't put the building notice in.

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked
for proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot
produce the documentation then they will have to pay to get it
inspected and approved. It is much easier and cheaper to get it done
according to the rules.

Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

That maybe so, but there will be many buyers who will take the solicitor
more seriously than is warranted.

The cost to someone who is qualified to put a building notice in quite
small (£2.50 for me), so why i this guy not doing it? Is it that he
really isn't qualified?


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Ed Sirett wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:58:21 +0000, Peter Lynch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:21 -0000, Peter Crosland wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would
happen if he didn't put the building notice in.

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked
for proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot
produce the documentation then they will have to pay to get it
inspected and approved. It is much easier and cheaper to get it done
according to the rules.

Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

That maybe so, but there will be many buyers who will take the
solicitor more seriously than is warranted.

The cost to someone who is qualified to put a building notice in quite
small (£2.50 for me), so why i this guy not doing it? Is it that he
really isn't qualified?

More likely that its a cash job & the building notice would create a paper
trail that HMRC could follow.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

In article , Ed Sirett
writes
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:58:21 +0000, Peter Lynch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:21 -0000, Peter Crosland wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would happen
if he didn't put the building notice in.

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked
for proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot
produce the documentation then they will have to pay to get it
inspected and approved. It is much easier and cheaper to get it done
according to the rules.

Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

That maybe so, but there will be many buyers who will take the solicitor
more seriously than is warranted.

The cost to someone who is qualified to put a building notice in quite
small (£2.50 for me), so why i this guy not doing it? Is it that he
really isn't qualified?



£2.50! How do you manage that? The cost would be £117.50, hence the
question in the first place.

Martin

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Martin Carroll

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:05:37 +0000, Martin Carroll wrote:

In article , Ed Sirett
writes
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:58:21 +0000, Peter Lynch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:21 -0000, Peter Crosland wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would
happen if he didn't put the building notice in.

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked
for proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot
produce the documentation then they will have to pay to get it
inspected and approved. It is much easier and cheaper to get it done
according to the rules.

Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

That maybe so, but there will be many buyers who will take the solicitor
more seriously than is warranted.

The cost to someone who is qualified to put a building notice in quite
small (£2.50 for me), so why i this guy not doing it? Is it that he
really isn't qualified?



£2.50! How do you manage that? The cost would be £117.50, hence the
question in the first place.

Martin

Once you have joined one of the 'guilds' then self-certification and
notification is fairly cheap. Of course it takes a huge amount up front
to join, register and renew.


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The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html

Ed Sirett wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:58:21 +0000, Peter Lynch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:21 -0000, Peter Crosland wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would happen
if he didn't put the building notice in.
If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked
for proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot
produce the documentation then they will have to pay to get it
inspected and approved. It is much easier and cheaper to get it done
according to the rules.
Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

That maybe so, but there will be many buyers who will take the solicitor
more seriously than is warranted.

The cost to someone who is qualified to put a building notice in quite
small (£2.50 for me), so why i this guy not doing it? Is it that he
really isn't qualified?



As I understand it, if you are Corgi registered through a company the
registration only covers work done for that company. Doing a homer for a
mate would therefore not be covered.

Cheers

David

On 2007-12-06 22:58:21 +0000, Peter Lynch said:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:21 -0000, Peter Crosland wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would happen
if he didn't put the building notice in.

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked for
proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot produce the
documentation then they will have to pay to get it inspected and approved.
It is much easier and cheaper to get it done according to the rules.

Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

If they choose, but then that wouldn't justify an army of latter-day
Deryck Guylers advising on these things.

Peter Lynch wrote:

Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

This all assumes that the vendor even discloses that they had any work
done. Depending on what it is, it may or may not be obvious.

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John Rumm wrote:
Peter Lynch wrote:

Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.

This all assumes that the vendor even discloses that they had any work
done. Depending on what it is, it may or may not be obvious.

Of course vendors are often economical with the truth but they will have to
give written confirmation that all necessary consnet shave been obtained.
Lying could cost them a lot if found out.

Peter Crosland

Peter Crosland wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
Peter Lynch wrote:

Isn't it up to the potential buyer to decide whether to just go ahead
anyway?
Obviously their solicitor will huff and puff and say you've _got_ to
provide the paperwork, but can't the buyer just ignore that.
This all assumes that the vendor even discloses that they had any work
done. Depending on what it is, it may or may not be obvious.

Of course vendors are often economical with the truth but they will have to
give written confirmation that all necessary consnet shave been obtained.
Lying could cost them a lot if found out.

Not really - an option on most of the query forms for sellers allow "I
don't know" or "I can't remember" as acceptable responses.

More to the point there is usually no guidance at all as to what
consents one would be expected to get for various improvements. Hence
most people will legitimately answer "yes" or "I have no idea"
regardless and be none the wiser.

Unless you have a good working knowledge of building regs you are
unlikely to even be aware when and where building notices are supposed
to have been submitted. What is more this is a moving target - each year
more (often increasingly trivial) aspects become notifiable, and it
seems the general level of respect for the rules, and the level of
interest of the conveyancing solicitors declines in direct response.

For example, a query might be asked as to whether any windows have been
replaced, with a follow on note to supply copies of any guarantees that
may be in force. No mention is made of regs compliance or FENSA certs.

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Peter Crosland wrote:
Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would happen
if he didn't put the building notice in.

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked for
proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot produce the
documentation then they will have to pay to get it inspected and approved.
It is much easier and cheaper to get it done according to the rules.


Mumble mumble done before my time mumble mumble take out 200 quid of
contingency insurance and give it to the purchaser mumble mumble.
\
Peter Crosland

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Peter Crosland wrote:

If the property owner tries to sell the property (s)he will be asked for
proof that the work has been authorised. If the owner cannot produce the
documentation then they will have to pay to get it inspected and approved.
It is much easier and cheaper to get it done according to the rules.


Mumble mumble done before my time mumble mumble take out 200 quid of
contingency insurance and give it to the purchaser mumble mumble.
\

A friend of mine qualified as a Demostic Installer, at some cost to
himself, but wound up with very little work.

Since I can't believe that the area he lives in has stopped having
electrical work done, it raises the question of how much work in fact
get reported/certified.

A run-down repossessed house just down the road from here has been
enjoying the attention of a gang of people who work there 18 hours a
day. None of them speak English. From the chiselling sounds there's a
lot of chasing-out being done. One wonders if these people are
following the regs; but it seems they've bought it to do up and flog
at a profit.

Has anyone any estimates for what percentage of work gets notified?

Terry Fields wrote:

A friend of mine qualified as a Demostic Installer

OOPS!

ITYKWIM.

Martin Carroll wrote:
What are the consequences of not notifying Building Control about
notifiable work?

Plumber friend of mine is putting in a unvented system (he has the
qualification to do this) and asked me if I knew what the would happen
if he didn't put the building notice in.

Nothing. Who is to say?

What is the sound of one hand clapping?


Cheers

Martin