Do manufacturers quote mean time to failure of pushfit plumbing? I'm
trying to decide whether to do some re-plumbing using trad methods or
some more of this new new fangled stuff.

Peter.

Peter wrote:
Do manufacturers quote mean time to failure of pushfit plumbing? I'm
trying to decide whether to do some re-plumbing using trad methods or
some more of this new new fangled stuff.

Peter.

In the larger B&Qs they have a least 3 ranges of pushfit. The quoted life
span is up to 50 years.
Thats for the Equator range the others are 25-30years

In the larger B&Qs they have a least 3 ranges of pushfit. The quoted life
span is up to 50 years.
Thats for the Equator range the others are 25-30years

So reckon on ten to be safe!

In message , Peter Crosland
writes
In the larger B&Qs they have a least 3 ranges of pushfit. The quoted life
span is up to 50 years.
Thats for the Equator range the others are 25-30years

So reckon on ten to be safe!


Well, at least 'till xmas eve
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geoff

"Peter Crosland" wrote in message ...
In the larger B&Qs they have a least 3 ranges of pushfit. The quoted life
span is up to 50 years.
Thats for the Equator range the others are 25-30years

So reckon on ten to be safe!

Upto?? Then why would one buy this stuff?

Regards, NT

"Peter" wrote in message
. ..
Do manufacturers quote mean time to failure of pushfit plumbing? I'm
trying to decide whether to do some re-plumbing using trad methods or
some more of this new new fangled stuff.

Peter.

The Hep2O flexible Push Fit Plumbing System has a design life in excess of
50 years when installed in normal domestic central heating or hot and cold
water services, and carries a 50 year guarantee against defects in materials
or manufacturing.

The Hep2O system (previously Acorn) has been manufactured and used for 25
years.

Further informtion is at: -

http://www.hep2o.co.uk

The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team
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"Peter" wrote in message
. ..
Do manufacturers quote mean time to failure of pushfit plumbing? I'm
trying to decide whether to do some re-plumbing using trad methods or
some more of this new new fangled stuff.


Hi

It seems crazy to me to save an hours work and fit something that may
flood the place 20 years later. I wouldn't touch it myself.

The future can seem a long way off, but it comes anyway. Imagine if
you'd fitted pushfit in 1972, thinking 'millennium? hah' and now got
flooded from it. Not for me thanks.

Proper pipework fittings are
a) known to work well from experience
b) have a very long life
c) are a bit more work, but not much.

Some things are no big if they fail, but plumbing has consequences out
of all proportion to its cost.

Regards, NT

"Hepworth Plumbing Products" wrote in message ...

Further informtion is at: -

http://www.hep2o.co.uk

The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team


If Mr or Ms Hep can provide
a) independant data that shows pushfit to be as reliable as solder,
solvent and compression
and
b) a 50 year guarantee that covers damage to the house and will still
be genuinely claimable on in 50 years time

then I might well be convinced.

Regards, NT

In article ,
(N. Thornton) writes:

Hi

It seems crazy to me to save an hours work and fit something that may
flood the place 20 years later. I wouldn't touch it myself.

I'd be dubious about the longevity of the o-ring seal.
Normally, I see up to perhaps ~20 years life of those
in similar circumstances.

The future can seem a long way off, but it comes anyway. Imagine if
you'd fitted pushfit in 1972, thinking 'millennium? hah' and now got
flooded from it. Not for me thanks.

Proper pipework fittings are
a) known to work well from experience
b) have a very long life
c) are a bit more work, but not much.

d) need [more] skilled workforce to correctly assemble.
This is the big one -- plumbers have become impossible to get
hold of. (A friend having an extension built has been told by
the builder that he will not be able to get a plumber to do
the plumbine parts, due to extremely short supply.) A less
skilled workforce can probably do a more reliable pushfit
installation than they could a soldered copper one.

Personally, as my DIY time is free and I can do soldered
copper fittings without any problems, that is what I use.
However, I can see a market for pushfit.

--
Andrew Gabriel

On 29 Sep 2003 12:21:06 GMT, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
(N. Thornton) writes:

Hi

It seems crazy to me to save an hours work and fit something that may
flood the place 20 years later. I wouldn't touch it myself.

I'd be dubious about the longevity of the o-ring seal.
Normally, I see up to perhaps ~20 years life of those
in similar circumstances.

The future can seem a long way off, but it comes anyway. Imagine if
you'd fitted pushfit in 1972, thinking 'millennium? hah' and now got
flooded from it. Not for me thanks.

Proper pipework fittings are
a) known to work well from experience
b) have a very long life
c) are a bit more work, but not much.

d) need [more] skilled workforce to correctly assemble.
This is the big one -- plumbers have become impossible to get
hold of. (A friend having an extension built has been told by
the builder that he will not be able to get a plumber to do
the plumbine parts, due to extremely short supply.) A less
skilled workforce can probably do a more reliable pushfit
installation than they could a soldered copper one.

Personally, as my DIY time is free and I can do soldered
copper fittings without any problems, that is what I use.
However, I can see a market for pushfit.

I use pushfit because I'm crap at soldering and haven't got the time
and resource to practice until I'm any good - most often a job needs
to be done NOW, like today when I unscrewed a floorboard and
discovered that a year ago I'd managed to screw into the cold water
pipe that feeds the bath

As an aside I was in the local plumbers merchants for another reason
(bloody 1 1/4" waste on the bath innit) and noticed ALL the current
plumbing products, even Kuterlite and Yorkshire, were guaranteed for
25 years. Doesn't that drop us into a swings/roundabouts scenario?

cheers

witchy/binarydinosaurs

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
(N. Thornton) writes:

Hi

It seems crazy to me to save an hours work and fit something that may
flood the place 20 years later. I wouldn't touch it myself.

I'd be dubious about the longevity of the o-ring seal.
Normally, I see up to perhaps ~20 years life of those
in similar circumstances.

The future can seem a long way off, but it comes anyway. Imagine if
you'd fitted pushfit in 1972, thinking 'millennium? hah' and now got
flooded from it. Not for me thanks.

Proper pipework fittings are
a) known to work well from experience
b) have a very long life
c) are a bit more work, but not much.

d) need [more] skilled workforce to correctly assemble.
This is the big one -- plumbers have become impossible to get
hold of. (A friend having an extension built has been told by
the builder that he will not be able to get a plumber to do
the plumbine parts, due to extremely short supply.) A less
skilled workforce can probably do a more reliable pushfit
installation than they could a soldered copper one.

Personally, as my DIY time is free and I can do soldered
copper fittings without any problems, that is what I use.
However, I can see a market for pushfit.


The time-cost justifications change when you are getting paid a fixed
price to do the job.
20 years would be quite enough to get me out of the house and paid 8-).


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

(Andrew Gabriel) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(N. Thornton) writes:

Hi

It seems crazy to me to save an hours work and fit something that may
flood the place 20 years later. I wouldn't touch it myself.

I'd be dubious about the longevity of the o-ring seal.
Normally, I see up to perhaps ~20 years life of those
in similar circumstances.

The future can seem a long way off, but it comes anyway. Imagine if
you'd fitted pushfit in 1972, thinking 'millennium? hah' and now got
flooded from it. Not for me thanks.

Proper pipework fittings are
a) known to work well from experience
b) have a very long life
c) are a bit more work, but not much.

d) need [more] skilled workforce to correctly assemble.
This is the big one -- plumbers have become impossible to get
hold of. (A friend having an extension built has been told by
the builder that he will not be able to get a plumber to do
the plumbine parts, due to extremely short supply.) A less
skilled workforce can probably do a more reliable pushfit
installation than they could a soldered copper one.

Yup, tho compression would be as easy as pushfit, skill wise. A
compressed metal ring should last way better than a rubber washer.


Personally, as my DIY time is free and I can do soldered
copper fittings without any problems, that is what I use.
However, I can see a market for pushfit.

Me too, but once you understand the ins and outs of it I still can't
see a reason to choose it. I suspect it may become one of those no-nos
like aluminium wiring. They seemed like a good idea at the time, but
with a bit more thought we could have avoided them. I can see plumbers
in 30 years saying 'pushfit? well you'll need that replumbed for your
insurance to be valid'

Having said that, pushfit used for external downpipes shouldn't matter
too much if they leak.

Regards, NT

In article ,
says...
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(N. Thornton) writes:

Hi

It seems crazy to me to save an hours work and fit something that may
flood the place 20 years later. I wouldn't touch it myself.

I'd be dubious about the longevity of the o-ring seal.
Normally, I see up to perhaps ~20 years life of those
in similar circumstances.

The future can seem a long way off, but it comes anyway. Imagine if
you'd fitted pushfit in 1972, thinking 'millennium? hah' and now got
flooded from it. Not for me thanks.

Proper pipework fittings are
a) known to work well from experience
b) have a very long life
c) are a bit more work, but not much.

d) need [more] skilled workforce to correctly assemble.
This is the big one -- plumbers have become impossible to get
hold of. (A friend having an extension built has been told by
the builder that he will not be able to get a plumber to do
the plumbine parts, due to extremely short supply.) A less
skilled workforce can probably do a more reliable pushfit
installation than they could a soldered copper one.

Yup, tho compression would be as easy as pushfit, skill wise. A
compressed metal ring should last way better than a rubber washer.


Personally, as my DIY time is free and I can do soldered
copper fittings without any problems, that is what I use.
However, I can see a market for pushfit.

Me too, but once you understand the ins and outs of it I still can't
see a reason to choose it. I suspect it may become one of those no-nos
like aluminium wiring. They seemed like a good idea at the time, but
with a bit more thought we could have avoided them. I can see plumbers
in 30 years saying 'pushfit? well you'll need that replumbed for your
insurance to be valid'

I tend to agree. What the makers seem to be saying is it has roughly
the same lifespan as elctrical wiring (give or take a decade or 2).
Thus in future having a house re-plumbed for insurance purposes will be
as standard a proceeedure as re-wireing is now.

I think i'll carry on doing what I'm doing now - use pushfit when in a
hurry on easily accessable areas and copper when doing a proper job.

Thanks to everybody for their contributions.

Peter.

"N. Thornton" wrote in message
om...
"Hepworth Plumbing Products" wrote in
message ...

Further informtion is at: -

http://www.hep2o.co.uk

The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team


If Mr or Ms Hep can provide
a) independant data that shows pushfit to be as reliable as solder,
solvent and compression
and
b) a 50 year guarantee that covers damage to the house and will still
be genuinely claimable on in 50 years time

then I might well be convinced.

Regards, NT

Has anyone seen a guarantee for Bosswhite and Hemp or CAF joints? I think
there is just as much chance if not more that EPDM seals will be around and
giving good service for longer than Hemp or other fibres

YMMV

John wrote:

"N. Thornton" wrote in message
om...

"Hepworth Plumbing Products" wrote in

message ...

Further informtion is at: -

http://www.hep2o.co.uk

The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team


If Mr or Ms Hep can provide
a) independant data that shows pushfit to be as reliable as solder,
solvent and compression
and
b) a 50 year guarantee that covers damage to the house and will still
be genuinely claimable on in 50 years time

then I might well be convinced.

Regards, NT


Has anyone seen a guarantee for Bosswhite and Hemp or CAF joints? I think
there is just as much chance if not more that EPDM seals will be around and
giving good service for longer than Hemp or other fibres



Organic rubber degrades after 30 years or so. Butyls are probably good
for longer.

Thats what the pipes and O-rings are made off.


YMMV

In article , N.
Thornton writes
"Hepworth Plumbing Products" wrote in
message ...

Further informtion is at: -

http://www.hep2o.co.uk

The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team


If Mr or Ms Hep can provide
a) independant data that shows pushfit to be as reliable as solder,
solvent and compression
and
b) a 50 year guarantee that covers damage to the house and will still
be genuinely claimable on in 50 years time

then I might well be convinced.

Regards, NT

Pushfit has been in use for 25yrs, probably longer in fact, how long do
you want to wait before it proves itself? The only plumbing damage I've
had was caused by pinpricks in copper pipe, probably thin imported
stuff, and leaking compression joints, do you want to hang on while I
look for the guarantee that covered them? Do you know of any plumbing
related materials and devices i.e boilers, radiators, appliances etc.,
that have a guarantee that covers damage to the house if they fail?



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David

David @chapellllhouse.demon.co.uk wrote in message ...
In article , N.
Thornton writes
"Hepworth Plumbing Products" wrote in
message ...

http://www.hep2o.co.uk

If Mr or Ms Hep can provide
a) independant data that shows pushfit to be as reliable as solder,
solvent and compression
and
b) a 50 year guarantee that covers damage to the house and will still
be genuinely claimable on in 50 years time

then I might well be convinced.


Pushfit has been in use for 25yrs, probably longer in fact,

I didn't know that.

how long do
you want to wait before it proves itself?

I dont know. How long does soldered copper piping last? How long do
compression fittings last? How long does pushfit last? I dont have any
definitive answers to those qs, but I would expect [on a gut level
only] that synthetic rubber seals are unlikely to last as well as
solder or copper olives. I'd be perfectly happy to be proved wrong on
that.


Do you know of any plumbing
related materials and devices i.e boilers, radiators, appliances etc.,
that have a guarantee that covers damage to the house if they fail?

No, and thats just why I am still at this point wary of installing
something that I expect to fail some day, with, in this case, possibly
rather damaging consequences.

If someone actually has hard data I'd love to see it. After all, its
perfectly possible that pushfit could turn out to be more reliable
than the others. Until I have more info tho, I'd prefer to avoid it.

Regards, NT

being in a plumbing field, i personaly think that solvent based upvc pipes and fittings (sewerage purpose) are much more reliable then push fit or o-ring type.
the reasons are as follows...
1.solvent jointing is much more cost effective then the push fit..
2.easy installation (no additional precautions are required)
3.doese not effect from freezing or icing conditions.( cold areas)
4.withstand 100 degree celcius boiling water .
and much more

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On Monday, 29 September 2003 13:21:06 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
I'd be dubious about the longevity of the o-ring seal.
Normally, I see up to perhaps ~20 years life of those
in similar circumstances.

As we're now at 17 years, any advance on #20 years?

And is it a serious problem given the tendency of cheap copper pipe to pinhole?

Owain

On 25/09/2020 18:56, wrote:
On Monday, 29 September 2003 13:21:06 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
I'd be dubious about the longevity of the o-ring seal.
Normally, I see up to perhaps ~20 years life of those
in similar circumstances.

As we're now at 17 years, any advance on #20 years?
18 years and not a sign of an issue

And is it a serious problem given the tendency of cheap copper pipe to pinhole?

Owain



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