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Projected lifespan of pushfix plumbing?
Do manufacturers quote mean time to failure of pushfit plumbing? I'm
trying to decide whether to do some re-plumbing using trad methods or some more of this new new fangled stuff. Peter. |
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Peter wrote:
Do manufacturers quote mean time to failure of pushfit plumbing? I'm trying to decide whether to do some re-plumbing using trad methods or some more of this new new fangled stuff. Peter. In the larger B&Qs they have a least 3 ranges of pushfit. The quoted life span is up to 50 years. Thats for the Equator range the others are 25-30years |
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Projected lifespan of pushfix plumbing?
In the larger B&Qs they have a least 3 ranges of pushfit. The quoted life
span is up to 50 years. Thats for the Equator range the others are 25-30years So reckon on ten to be safe! |
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In message , Peter Crosland
writes In the larger B&Qs they have a least 3 ranges of pushfit. The quoted life span is up to 50 years. Thats for the Equator range the others are 25-30years So reckon on ten to be safe! Well, at least 'till xmas eve -- geoff |
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"Peter Crosland" wrote in message ...
In the larger B&Qs they have a least 3 ranges of pushfit. The quoted life span is up to 50 years. Thats for the Equator range the others are 25-30years So reckon on ten to be safe! Upto?? Then why would one buy this stuff? Regards, NT |
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"Peter" wrote in message
. .. Do manufacturers quote mean time to failure of pushfit plumbing? I'm trying to decide whether to do some re-plumbing using trad methods or some more of this new new fangled stuff. Peter. The Hep2O flexible Push Fit Plumbing System has a design life in excess of 50 years when installed in normal domestic central heating or hot and cold water services, and carries a 50 year guarantee against defects in materials or manufacturing. The Hep2O system (previously Acorn) has been manufactured and used for 25 years. Further informtion is at: - http://www.hep2o.co.uk The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team -- Tel: +44 (0)1709 856 300 |Hepworth Plumbing Products Fax: +44 (0)1709 856 301 |Edlington Lane, Edlington Email: |Doncaster, UK http://www.hepworthplumbing.co.uk |DN12 1BY |
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"Hepworth Plumbing Products" wrote in message ...
"Peter" wrote in message . .. Do manufacturers quote mean time to failure of pushfit plumbing? I'm trying to decide whether to do some re-plumbing using trad methods or some more of this new new fangled stuff. Hi It seems crazy to me to save an hours work and fit something that may flood the place 20 years later. I wouldn't touch it myself. The future can seem a long way off, but it comes anyway. Imagine if you'd fitted pushfit in 1972, thinking 'millennium? hah' and now got flooded from it. Not for me thanks. Proper pipework fittings are a) known to work well from experience b) have a very long life c) are a bit more work, but not much. Some things are no big if they fail, but plumbing has consequences out of all proportion to its cost. Regards, NT |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , (N. Thornton) writes: Hi It seems crazy to me to save an hours work and fit something that may flood the place 20 years later. I wouldn't touch it myself. I'd be dubious about the longevity of the o-ring seal. Normally, I see up to perhaps ~20 years life of those in similar circumstances. The future can seem a long way off, but it comes anyway. Imagine if you'd fitted pushfit in 1972, thinking 'millennium? hah' and now got flooded from it. Not for me thanks. Proper pipework fittings are a) known to work well from experience b) have a very long life c) are a bit more work, but not much. d) need [more] skilled workforce to correctly assemble. This is the big one -- plumbers have become impossible to get hold of. (A friend having an extension built has been told by the builder that he will not be able to get a plumber to do the plumbine parts, due to extremely short supply.) A less skilled workforce can probably do a more reliable pushfit installation than they could a soldered copper one. Personally, as my DIY time is free and I can do soldered copper fittings without any problems, that is what I use. However, I can see a market for pushfit. The time-cost justifications change when you are getting paid a fixed price to do the job. 20 years would be quite enough to get me out of the house and paid 8-). -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
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(Andrew Gabriel) wrote in message ...
In article , (N. Thornton) writes: Hi It seems crazy to me to save an hours work and fit something that may flood the place 20 years later. I wouldn't touch it myself. I'd be dubious about the longevity of the o-ring seal. Normally, I see up to perhaps ~20 years life of those in similar circumstances. The future can seem a long way off, but it comes anyway. Imagine if you'd fitted pushfit in 1972, thinking 'millennium? hah' and now got flooded from it. Not for me thanks. Proper pipework fittings are a) known to work well from experience b) have a very long life c) are a bit more work, but not much. d) need [more] skilled workforce to correctly assemble. This is the big one -- plumbers have become impossible to get hold of. (A friend having an extension built has been told by the builder that he will not be able to get a plumber to do the plumbine parts, due to extremely short supply.) A less skilled workforce can probably do a more reliable pushfit installation than they could a soldered copper one. Yup, tho compression would be as easy as pushfit, skill wise. A compressed metal ring should last way better than a rubber washer. Personally, as my DIY time is free and I can do soldered copper fittings without any problems, that is what I use. However, I can see a market for pushfit. Me too, but once you understand the ins and outs of it I still can't see a reason to choose it. I suspect it may become one of those no-nos like aluminium wiring. They seemed like a good idea at the time, but with a bit more thought we could have avoided them. I can see plumbers in 30 years saying 'pushfit? well you'll need that replumbed for your insurance to be valid' Having said that, pushfit used for external downpipes shouldn't matter too much if they leak. Regards, NT |
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says... (Andrew Gabriel) wrote in message ... In article , (N. Thornton) writes: Hi It seems crazy to me to save an hours work and fit something that may flood the place 20 years later. I wouldn't touch it myself. I'd be dubious about the longevity of the o-ring seal. Normally, I see up to perhaps ~20 years life of those in similar circumstances. The future can seem a long way off, but it comes anyway. Imagine if you'd fitted pushfit in 1972, thinking 'millennium? hah' and now got flooded from it. Not for me thanks. Proper pipework fittings are a) known to work well from experience b) have a very long life c) are a bit more work, but not much. d) need [more] skilled workforce to correctly assemble. This is the big one -- plumbers have become impossible to get hold of. (A friend having an extension built has been told by the builder that he will not be able to get a plumber to do the plumbine parts, due to extremely short supply.) A less skilled workforce can probably do a more reliable pushfit installation than they could a soldered copper one. Yup, tho compression would be as easy as pushfit, skill wise. A compressed metal ring should last way better than a rubber washer. Personally, as my DIY time is free and I can do soldered copper fittings without any problems, that is what I use. However, I can see a market for pushfit. Me too, but once you understand the ins and outs of it I still can't see a reason to choose it. I suspect it may become one of those no-nos like aluminium wiring. They seemed like a good idea at the time, but with a bit more thought we could have avoided them. I can see plumbers in 30 years saying 'pushfit? well you'll need that replumbed for your insurance to be valid' I tend to agree. What the makers seem to be saying is it has roughly the same lifespan as elctrical wiring (give or take a decade or 2). Thus in future having a house re-plumbed for insurance purposes will be as standard a proceeedure as re-wireing is now. I think i'll carry on doing what I'm doing now - use pushfit when in a hurry on easily accessable areas and copper when doing a proper job. Thanks to everybody for their contributions. Peter. |
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On Monday, 29 September 2003 13:21:06 UTC+1, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
I'd be dubious about the longevity of the o-ring seal. Normally, I see up to perhaps ~20 years life of those in similar circumstances. As we're now at 17 years, any advance on #20 years? And is it a serious problem given the tendency of cheap copper pipe to pinhole? Owain |
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"Hepworth Plumbing Products" wrote in message ...
Further informtion is at: - http://www.hep2o.co.uk The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team If Mr or Ms Hep can provide a) independant data that shows pushfit to be as reliable as solder, solvent and compression and b) a 50 year guarantee that covers damage to the house and will still be genuinely claimable on in 50 years time then I might well be convinced. Regards, NT |
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"N. Thornton" wrote in message om... "Hepworth Plumbing Products" wrote in message ... Further informtion is at: - http://www.hep2o.co.uk The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team If Mr or Ms Hep can provide a) independant data that shows pushfit to be as reliable as solder, solvent and compression and b) a 50 year guarantee that covers damage to the house and will still be genuinely claimable on in 50 years time then I might well be convinced. Regards, NT Has anyone seen a guarantee for Bosswhite and Hemp or CAF joints? I think there is just as much chance if not more that EPDM seals will be around and giving good service for longer than Hemp or other fibres YMMV |
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John wrote:
"N. Thornton" wrote in message om... "Hepworth Plumbing Products" wrote in message ... Further informtion is at: - http://www.hep2o.co.uk The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team If Mr or Ms Hep can provide a) independant data that shows pushfit to be as reliable as solder, solvent and compression and b) a 50 year guarantee that covers damage to the house and will still be genuinely claimable on in 50 years time then I might well be convinced. Regards, NT Has anyone seen a guarantee for Bosswhite and Hemp or CAF joints? I think there is just as much chance if not more that EPDM seals will be around and giving good service for longer than Hemp or other fibres Organic rubber degrades after 30 years or so. Butyls are probably good for longer. Thats what the pipes and O-rings are made off. YMMV |
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Projected lifespan of pushfix plumbing?
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Thornton writes "Hepworth Plumbing Products" wrote in message ... Further informtion is at: - http://www.hep2o.co.uk The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team If Mr or Ms Hep can provide a) independant data that shows pushfit to be as reliable as solder, solvent and compression and b) a 50 year guarantee that covers damage to the house and will still be genuinely claimable on in 50 years time then I might well be convinced. Regards, NT Pushfit has been in use for 25yrs, probably longer in fact, how long do you want to wait before it proves itself? The only plumbing damage I've had was caused by pinpricks in copper pipe, probably thin imported stuff, and leaking compression joints, do you want to hang on while I look for the guarantee that covered them? Do you know of any plumbing related materials and devices i.e boilers, radiators, appliances etc., that have a guarantee that covers damage to the house if they fail? -- David |
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David @chapellllhouse.demon.co.uk wrote in message ...
In article , N. Thornton writes "Hepworth Plumbing Products" wrote in message ... http://www.hep2o.co.uk If Mr or Ms Hep can provide a) independant data that shows pushfit to be as reliable as solder, solvent and compression and b) a 50 year guarantee that covers damage to the house and will still be genuinely claimable on in 50 years time then I might well be convinced. Pushfit has been in use for 25yrs, probably longer in fact, I didn't know that. how long do you want to wait before it proves itself? I dont know. How long does soldered copper piping last? How long do compression fittings last? How long does pushfit last? I dont have any definitive answers to those qs, but I would expect [on a gut level only] that synthetic rubber seals are unlikely to last as well as solder or copper olives. I'd be perfectly happy to be proved wrong on that. Do you know of any plumbing related materials and devices i.e boilers, radiators, appliances etc., that have a guarantee that covers damage to the house if they fail? No, and thats just why I am still at this point wary of installing something that I expect to fail some day, with, in this case, possibly rather damaging consequences. If someone actually has hard data I'd love to see it. After all, its perfectly possible that pushfit could turn out to be more reliable than the others. Until I have more info tho, I'd prefer to avoid it. Regards, NT |
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being in a plumbing field, i personaly think that solvent based upvc pipes and fittings (sewerage purpose) are much more reliable then push fit or o-ring type.
the reasons are as follows... 1.solvent jointing is much more cost effective then the push fit.. 2.easy installation (no additional precautions are required) 3.doese not effect from freezing or icing conditions.( cold areas) 4.withstand 100 degree celcius boiling water . and much more -- For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...ing-16830-.htm |
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