Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

Had a break-in today and all me tools nearly went,they only got away with
camera as I must have disturbed them? whilst letting myself in.

TIA

In article ,
George wrote:
Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

Had a break-in today and all me tools nearly went,they only got away with
camera as I must have disturbed them? whilst letting myself in.

I see it on high fences etc so it can't be banned. But I'd guess your wall
would have to be higher than a person could reach before it was considered
safe for this use. Sticking it on top of a 5 ft wall might be considered
as a danger to others.

--
*According to my calculations, the problem doesn't exist.

Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
George wrote:
Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

Had a break-in today and all me tools nearly went,they only got away
with
camera as I must have disturbed them? whilst letting myself in.

I see it on high fences etc so it can't be banned. But I'd guess your wall
would have to be higher than a person could reach before it was considered
safe for this use. Sticking it on top of a 5 ft wall might be considered
as a danger to others.

--
*According to my calculations, the problem doesn't exist.

Dave Plowman London SW
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Wall is about 7' or just over?

Wall is about 7' or just over?

The Highways Act gives the highway authority (which may be the council)
powers over barbed etc wire on land adjoining a highway. I think the
practice on that is to accept it if it is over 2.4m. Whether they
would take action if it is a bit lower is another matter: I think it
depends on whether it is likely to cause injury to users of the highway.
And IIRC the onus wd be on them to serve a notice requiring its removal.
It used to count in your favour if you put up signs warning people. But
I don't know how many languages you would have to use these days. (Are
you in Wales?)

Perhaps a word with your local crime reduction officer?
--
Robin

On 1 Nov, 23:15, "George" wrote:
Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

Had a break-in today and all me tools nearly went,they only got away with
camera as I must have disturbed them? whilst letting myself in.

TIA

No it is not banned.

You owe a duty of care to anyone entering your land (even intruders)
and if they are injured then they may have a claim against you. Their
business and intentions on your land, the location of the wire, and
any warning signs would all be considered. Whether an intruder cuts
themselves on razor wire, barbed wire, a rose bush or a splinter from
the fence is all the same.

In any case, your house insurance would normally cover you from any
such civil claims.

Put the wire up, and fix some warning signs in a prominent place.

dg

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On 1 Nov, 23:15, "George" wrote:
Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

Had a break-in today and all me tools nearly went,they only got away with
camera as I must have disturbed them? whilst letting myself in.

TIA

No it is not banned.

You owe a duty of care to anyone entering your land (even intruders)
and if they are injured then they may have a claim against you. Their
business and intentions on your land, the location of the wire, and
any warning signs would all be considered. Whether an intruder cuts
themselves on razor wire, barbed wire, a rose bush or a splinter from
the fence is all the same.

In any case, your house insurance would normally cover you from any
such civil claims.


So would the smackhead/scumbag getting a good kicking. Burglars have NO
rights, don't forget that.
The CPS and Probation Service think criminals have rights unfortunately and
the victim is always put last. The more they do wrong, the more they are
rewarded. Ask a burglar not to do it again politely and he will laugh, give
him a good kicking and he will understand that.
Put the wire up, I doubt you will get any complaints!


Put the wire up, and fix some warning signs in a prominent place.

dg

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:21:46 -0000, "john"
wrote:


"dg" wrote in message
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On 1 Nov, 23:15, "George" wrote:
Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

Had a break-in today and all me tools nearly went,they only got away with
camera as I must have disturbed them? whilst letting myself in.

TIA

No it is not banned.

You owe a duty of care to anyone entering your land (even intruders)
and if they are injured then they may have a claim against you. Their
business and intentions on your land, the location of the wire, and
any warning signs would all be considered. Whether an intruder cuts
themselves on razor wire, barbed wire, a rose bush or a splinter from
the fence is all the same.

In any case, your house insurance would normally cover you from any
such civil claims.


So would the smackhead/scumbag getting a good kicking. Burglars have NO
rights, don't forget that.
The CPS and Probation Service think criminals have rights unfortunately and
the victim is always put last. The more they do wrong, the more they are
rewarded. Ask a burglar not to do it again politely and he will laugh, give
him a good kicking and he will understand that.
Put the wire up, I doubt you will get any complaints!


The laws that give them rights are trespass laws, dating back to times
when joe common couldn't really go anywhere much without trespassing.
The laws made sense then - with property ownership so widespread and
common now, I would say it's time the laws were changed so that anyone
who has criminal intent has no right to duty of care.

On 2 Nov, 00:21, "john" wrote:
"dg" wrote in message

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On 1 Nov, 23:15, "George" wrote:
Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

Had a break-in today and all me tools nearly went,they only got away with
camera as I must have disturbed them? whilst letting myself in.

TIA

No it is not banned.

You owe a duty of care to anyone entering your land (even intruders)
and if they are injured then they may have a claim against you. Their
business and intentions on your land, the location of the wire, and
any warning signs would all be considered. Whether an intruder cuts
themselves on razor wire, barbed wire, a rose bush or a splinter from
the fence is all the same.

In any case, your house insurance would normally cover you from any
such civil claims.

So would the smackhead/scumbag getting a good kicking. Burglars have NO
rights, don't forget that.
The CPS and Probation Service think criminals have rights unfortunately and
the victim is always put last. The more they do wrong, the more they are
rewarded. Ask a burglar not to do it again politely and he will laugh, give
him a good kicking and he will understand that.
Put the wire up, I doubt you will get any complaints!



Put the wire up, and fix some warning signs in a prominent place.

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Yes, any burglar deserves a kicking. Tip - afterwards take the body
and dump it on someone elses land

But don't confuse the civil and criminal courts. A clued up burglar
will most likely win a claim for damages in the civil court if the
landowner is proved negligent. But for the same incident, no criminal
offence may have been committed, so the Police and CPS would not be
involved.

dg

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john wrote:
So would the smackhead/scumbag getting a good kicking. Burglars have NO
rights, don't forget that.

Are you related to dribble? Just because you say something doesn't make it
true. The day all rights are withdrawn from criminals is the day
civilisation ceases.

The CPS and Probation Service think criminals have rights unfortunately
and the victim is always put last.

The CPS and Probation service only deal with criminals. Not victims.

The more they do wrong, the more they are rewarded.

It would be silly to ask of proof of this, I suppose.

Ask a burglar not to do it again politely and he will laugh, give him a
good kicking and he will understand that.

So you assume you are a stronger individual than any burglar - or do you
think having right on your side will protect you? For many they might well
be the one getting the kicking instead if they tackle a burglar.

Put the wire up, I doubt you will get any complaints!

I suppose anti-climb paint doesn't fit into your ideal of retribution on
anyone who dares climb your garden wall - regardless of reason?

--
*Happiness is seeing your mother-in-law on a milk carton

Dave Plowman London SW
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"George" wrote in message
.uk...
Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

Had a break-in today and all me tools nearly went,they only got away with
camera as I must have disturbed them? whilst letting myself in.

TIA


I have it along the inside edge of a high wall. It can't be reached unless
someone climbs where they shouldn't. Combined with the sticky black paint
it's very effective. I found hand prints and part of a jacket one morning.
I am considering plugging the razor wire in to the mains next.
Burglars deserve everything they get.

"john" wrote in message
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"George" wrote in message
.uk...
Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

Had a break-in today and all me tools nearly went,they only got away
with
camera as I must have disturbed them? whilst letting myself in.

TIA


I have it along the inside edge of a high wall. It can't be reached
unless
someone climbs where they shouldn't. Combined with the sticky black paint
it's very effective. I found hand prints and part of a jacket one
morning.
I am considering plugging the razor wire in to the mains next.
Burglars deserve everything they get.




Have you been burgaled in the past? reason being if you have how efficiant
were the finger print COS plods?

On Nov 2, 12:23 am, "George" wrote:

reason being if you have how efficiant were the finger print COS plods?

They are as efficient as anyone who can take fingerprints and access a
police computer. But whether they want to spend their allocated
expenses for the year doing that sort of thing is another guess
entirely.

George wrote:
"john" wrote in message
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"George" wrote in message
.uk...
Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

Had a break-in today and all me tools nearly went,they only got away
with
camera as I must have disturbed them? whilst letting myself in.

TIA


I have it along the inside edge of a high wall. It can't be reached
unless
someone climbs where they shouldn't. Combined with the sticky black paint
it's very effective. I found hand prints and part of a jacket one
morning.
I am considering plugging the razor wire in to the mains next.
Burglars deserve everything they get.




Have you been burgaled in the past? reason being if you have how efficiant
were the finger print COS plods?


They are Ok.

It's the *average* plod that is moronic, lazy ad tied up in paperwork.

On 2 Nov, 00:17, "john" wrote:
"George" wrote in message

.uk... Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

I have it along the inside edge of a high wall. It can't be reached unless
someone climbs where they shouldn't. .....

snip

Burglars deserve everything they get.

True for burglars etc, but what about little johnny who has just
kicked his football over? The law should protect children who often do
things without thinking, and without the same malicious intent as a
burglar.

dg

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On 2 Nov, 00:17, "john" wrote:
"George" wrote in message

.uk... Is that banned
from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

I have it along the inside edge of a high wall. It can't be reached
unless
someone climbs where they shouldn't. .....

snip

Burglars deserve everything they get.

True for burglars etc, but what about little johnny who has just
kicked his football over? The law should protect children who often do
things without thinking, and without the same malicious intent as a
burglar.

TBH the way it's going to work is razor wire that's obvious on the top of a
fence or wall is not going to get you in court. Dig a hole on your side of
the wall and fill it with razor wire, and it probably will.

I'll state the obvious, since no-one else has...
o If you annoy/injure a burglar - he may take revenge
---- vandalism of car, house, you, family
---- bricks to arson to put it bluntly
o If you discourage a burglar - they choose an easier target
---- a determined thief WILL get past anything
---- break-&-enter, with a gun, to take car keys

My suggestion would be "plastic wire/spikes" plus anti-climb
paint because they truly utterly hate the grease-paints etc. A
notice to the effect that anti-climb paint is in use discourages.

Then ensure locks are up to scratch, plus visible ideally.
(I mean patio doors with drop-down or slide-over beam).

Then security PIR - although there are 2 schools of thought re
they provide a deterrant or they provide sharp shadow places
to hide and turn off once someone stops moving vs always-on.

UV spray markers are another idea, personal & fitted.
Never seen a fitted one, but it would be useful - next time they
go past appropriate lighting they glow & it takes time to get off.

Most obviously have tools where they are not visible and sheds
that basically have minimal windows re making entry harder.

Wire that cuts has the advantage of leaving DNA, but that is
likely to occur with most methods of entry. Make sure the
backdoor can not be kicked in if even remotely secluded,
and realise uPVC windows are not exactly strong things.

Not difficult to rig an alarm to dial a phone, or for a mobile
to be wired to turn on things internally or turn a car off etc.
Just avoid the temptation to link it to a large quantity of TNT.

Now I wonder if a rail gun would come under Part P...
--
DB.

"Dorothy Bradbury" wrote in message

My suggestion would be "plastic wire/spikes" plus anti-climb
paint because they truly utterly hate the grease-paints etc. A
notice to the effect that anti-climb paint is in use discourages.

Then ensure locks are up to scratch, plus visible ideally.
(I mean patio doors with drop-down or slide-over beam).

Then security PIR - although there are 2 schools of thought re
they provide a deterrant or they provide sharp shadow places
to hide and turn off once someone stops moving vs always-on.

UV spray markers are another idea, personal & fitted.
Never seen a fitted one, but it would be useful - next time they
go past appropriate lighting they glow & it takes time to get off.

Most obviously have tools where they are not visible and sheds
that basically have minimal windows re making entry harder.

Wire that cuts has the advantage of leaving DNA, but that is
likely to occur with most methods of entry. Make sure the
backdoor can not be kicked in if even remotely secluded,
and realise uPVC windows are not exactly strong things.

Not difficult to rig an alarm to dial a phone, or for a mobile
to be wired to turn on things internally or turn a car off etc.
Just avoid the temptation to link it to a large quantity of TNT.

Now I wonder if a rail gun would come under Part P...
--
DB.



Nah! I've superpassed the razor wire and installed recorded message on a
looped dictaphone connected up to a louder hailer which are both connected
to the passive infared at the back,when set off it emits quite loudly....GET
OUT OF MY DAMN PROPERTY YOU PIECE OF ****.
However the neighbours cat is a pain in the backside for prowling at night.
:-)

On 2007-11-02 14:26:59 +0000, "George" said:

Nah! I've superpassed the razor wire and installed recorded message on a
looped dictaphone connected up to a louder hailer which are both connected
to the passive infared at the back,when set off it emits quite loudly....GET
OUT OF MY DAMN PROPERTY YOU PIECE OF ****.

That's no way to greet the postman.....

"George" wrote in message
.uk...
Is that banned from securing your property at the back ie along backyard
wall?

Had a break-in today and all me tools nearly went,they only got away with
camera as I must have disturbed them? whilst letting myself in.

Plant a load of hawthorne and lay a hedge. You'll be cursing for weeks after
at all the thorns that got through your leather gloves, so burglars will
hardly like it .