Chums

I'm slowly (as is my wont) progressing thoughts about asking for a
dropped kerb permission, to park on the front garden. (The nature of
the road is that is required planning permission).

The local council are being helpful in email communication, but their
latest states


xxx Rd is classified as a Secondary Distributor Road and the Highway
Authority would not allow the formation of a vehicle access without an
off street turning arrangement. Clearly, this would not be achievable
within the dimensions of your front garden and any planning
application would be recommended for refusal.


which appears to be saying that they're expecting the vehicle access
to be big enough to turn a vehicle around on it. The neighbouring
houses all have narrower gardens, being terraced, and one actually has
a picasso parked on it, which pretty much takes up all the available
space when its parked on there, never mind being able to turn it!

Of all the houses, ours has the widest garden, but on account of a bay
window, it's not as deep. On account of this, our intention is to buy
a super-mini, which would actually be small enough to turn on the
parking space in front of the house.

Anyone had experience of this specific objections to a dropped kerb?

M

Maurice W wrote:
Chums

I'm slowly (as is my wont) progressing thoughts about asking for a
dropped kerb permission, to park on the front garden. (The nature of
the road is that is required planning permission).

The local council are being helpful in email communication, but their
latest states

xxx Rd is classified as a Secondary Distributor Road and the Highway
Authority would not allow the formation of a vehicle access without an
off street turning arrangement. Clearly, this would not be achievable
within the dimensions of your front garden and any planning
application would be recommended for refusal.

which appears to be saying that they're expecting the vehicle access
to be big enough to turn a vehicle around on it. The neighbouring
houses all have narrower gardens, being terraced, and one actually has
a picasso parked on it, which pretty much takes up all the available
space when its parked on there, never mind being able to turn it!

Of all the houses, ours has the widest garden, but on account of a bay
window, it's not as deep. On account of this, our intention is to buy
a super-mini, which would actually be small enough to turn on the
parking space in front of the house.

Anyone had experience of this specific objections to a dropped kerb?

M

No experience of planning permission refusal but ISTR that there ws an
episode of Property Ladder where they showed a turntable as a solution
to parking problems. Cottage near Ross-on-Wye IIRC.

Andrew

Maurice W presented the following explanation :
Chums

I'm slowly (as is my wont) progressing thoughts about asking for a
dropped kerb permission, to park on the front garden. (The nature of
the road is that is required planning permission).

The local council are being helpful in email communication, but their
latest states


xxx Rd is classified as a Secondary Distributor Road and the Highway
Authority would not allow the formation of a vehicle access without an
off street turning arrangement. Clearly, this would not be achievable
within the dimensions of your front garden and any planning
application would be recommended for refusal.


which appears to be saying that they're expecting the vehicle access
to be big enough to turn a vehicle around on it. The neighbouring
houses all have narrower gardens, being terraced, and one actually has
a picasso parked on it, which pretty much takes up all the available
space when its parked on there, never mind being able to turn it!

Of all the houses, ours has the widest garden, but on account of a bay
window, it's not as deep. On account of this, our intention is to buy
a super-mini, which would actually be small enough to turn on the
parking space in front of the house.

Anyone had experience of this specific objections to a dropped kerb?

M

As mentioned by Andrew - you can buy a drive on turn table, which
allows a car to be spun around in just a little more than its own
length.

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"Maurice W" wrote in message
...
Chums

I'm slowly (as is my wont) progressing thoughts about asking for a
dropped kerb permission, to park on the front garden. (The nature of
the road is that is required planning permission).

The local council are being helpful in email communication, but their
latest states


xxx Rd is classified as a Secondary Distributor Road and the Highway
Authority would not allow the formation of a vehicle access without an
off street turning arrangement. Clearly, this would not be achievable
within the dimensions of your front garden and any planning
application would be recommended for refusal.


which appears to be saying that they're expecting the vehicle access
to be big enough to turn a vehicle around on it. The neighbouring
houses all have narrower gardens, being terraced, and one actually has
a picasso parked on it, which pretty much takes up all the available
space when its parked on there, never mind being able to turn it!

Of all the houses, ours has the widest garden, but on account of a bay
window, it's not as deep. On account of this, our intention is to buy
a super-mini, which would actually be small enough to turn on the
parking space in front of the house.

Anyone had experience of this specific objections to a dropped kerb?

Don't know about the regs but doubt very the car you would be using would
have anything to do with their decision. If it did, then you could tell them
you want to put a driveway in /drop the kerb to accommodate a motor bike.

S.

"Maurice W" wrote in message
...
Chums

I'm slowly (as is my wont) progressing thoughts about asking for a
dropped kerb permission, to park on the front garden. (The nature of
the road is that is required planning permission).

The local council are being helpful in email communication, but their
latest states


xxx Rd is classified as a Secondary Distributor Road

Wossat then?

and the Highway
Authority would not allow the formation of a vehicle access without an
off street turning arrangement. Clearly, this would not be achievable
within the dimensions of your front garden and any planning
application would be recommended for refusal.

....

Anyone had experience of this specific objections to a dropped kerb?

In our street people just do it themselves.

It's messy but ...

Mary

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:56:22 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Maurice W" wrote in message
.. .

Anyone had experience of this specific objections to a dropped kerb?

In our street people just do it themselves.

It's messy but ...

The trouble with tampering with the footway like that is that as soon
as a pedestrian has any accident - slipping, tripping or whatever,
even if it isn't your fault, the LA will (rightly) wash their hands of
the matter and the pedestrian may very well sue you.

--
Frank Erskine

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:56:22 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Maurice W" wrote in message
.. .
Chums

I'm slowly (as is my wont) progressing thoughts about asking for a
dropped kerb permission, to park on the front garden. (The nature of
the road is that is required planning permission).

The local council are being helpful in email communication, but their
latest states


xxx Rd is classified as a Secondary Distributor Road

Wossat then?

and the Highway
Authority would not allow the formation of a vehicle access without an
off street turning arrangement. Clearly, this would not be achievable
within the dimensions of your front garden and any planning
application would be recommended for refusal.

...

Anyone had experience of this specific objections to a dropped kerb?

In our street people just do it themselves.

It's messy but ...

Mary

On my street someone's using a large plank of wood.

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"Mogga" wrote in message
news
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Anyone had experience of this specific objections to a dropped kerb?

In our street people just do it themselves.

It's messy but ...

Mary

On my street someone's using a large plank of wood.

We use a couple of wedges of wood laid on the road to ease the caravan
wheels from the gutter (cambered) over the road kerb. We painted marks on
the kerb to make positioning easy.

Mary

Even if you get it agreed our local council quoted me £800 just to lower the
kerb - I figured its cheaper to lay the drive and leave the kerb as is -
been working for me for 5 years no probs!

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Mitch wrote:

Even if you get it agreed our local council quoted me £800 just to
lower the kerb - I figured its cheaper to lay the drive and leave the
kerb as is - been working for me for 5 years no probs!


I have heard it claimed (here, I think) that you are breaking the law if you
drive over a footpath which *doesn't* have a dropped kerb. Don't know
whether it's true - but it would be worth checking.
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Roger Mills presented the following explanation :
I have heard it claimed (here, I think) that you are breaking the law if you
drive over a footpath which *doesn't* have a dropped kerb. Don't know whether
it's true - but it would be worth checking.

--

That is true as is parking part on a kerb, but both laws are widely
ignored. In our street only one house in ten with a drive has a legal
dropped kerb for access - ours is one of those one in ten.

In your situation - I would check around to see how many others on your
street have a proper dropped kerb and if several have got away with it
- just create a drive without one.

I think legally there is the advantage with a legal dropped kerb that
if someone parks across the entrance the obstruction law will more
likely be enforced.

--

Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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Roger Mills presented the following explanation :
I have heard it claimed (here, I think) that you are breaking the law if
you drive over a footpath which *doesn't* have a dropped kerb. Don't know
whether it's true - but it would be worth checking.

--

That is true as is parking part on a kerb, but both laws are widely
ignored.

I remember a traffic cop going up a street I used to live at and putting
tickets on cars that had parked facing the wrong way. i.e. they had to cross
the opposite lane of traffic to drive off!! I guess they were really bored
that day and looking for something to do.

Steven.

"Steven" wrote in message
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....
I remember a traffic cop going up a street I used to live at and putting
tickets on cars that had parked facing the wrong way. i.e. they had to
cross the opposite lane of traffic to drive off!!

That is only an offence after lighting up time, as cars parked facing the
wrong way cannot show the correct colours of lights, which includes
reflectors and numberplate backgrounds.

Colin Bignell

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
...
Roger Mills presented the following explanation :
I have heard it claimed (here, I think) that you are breaking the law if
you drive over a footpath which *doesn't* have a dropped kerb. Don't know
whether it's true - but it would be worth checking.

--

That is true as is parking part on a kerb, ....

In the absence of any waiting restrictions or local bye-laws, there is
nothing inherently illegal about parking on the pavement. It is, however,
usually quite difficult to do that without driving on it, which is illegal.

....
I think legally there is the advantage with a legal dropped kerb that if
someone parks across the entrance the obstruction law will more likely be
enforced.

More important, you can apply for a white line entrance marking, which is
surprisingly effective at stopping people from doing so.

Colin Bignell

"nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message
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More important, you can apply for a white line entrance marking, which is
surprisingly effective at stopping people from doing so.

That's an idea - how does one go about it?

Mary

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
...
Roger Mills presented the following explanation :
I have heard it claimed (here, I think) that you are breaking the law if
you drive over a footpath which *doesn't* have a dropped kerb. Don't know
whether it's true - but it would be worth checking.

--

That is true as is parking part on a kerb, but both laws are widely
ignored. In our street only one house in ten with a drive has a legal
dropped kerb for access - ours is one of those one in ten.

In your situation - I would check around to see how many others on your
street have a proper dropped kerb and if several have got away with it -
just create a drive without one.

I think legally there is the advantage with a legal dropped kerb that if
someone parks across the entrance the obstruction law will more likely be
enforced.

--

Regards,
Harry

IANAL: AIUI, it's an _absolute_ offense to 'drive on the pavement'.

A ' proper dropped kerb' off the council will include a legal 'Easement'
permitting vehicles to be driven from the Public Highway -across the
Counicil;s pavement - onto your property.

--

Brian

"Roger Mills" wrote in message
...
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Mitch wrote:

Even if you get it agreed our local council quoted me £800 just to
lower the kerb - I figured its cheaper to lay the drive and leave the
kerb as is - been working for me for 5 years no probs!


I have heard it claimed (here, I think) that you are breaking the law if
you drive over a footpath which *doesn't* have a dropped kerb. Don't know
whether it's true - but it would be worth checking.

The primary legislation is Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835, which
prohibits driving on that part of the highway set aside for the use of
pedestrians. There are also provisions in the Road Traffic Acts that apply.
Proper authority for a dropped kerb includes permission under the relevant
legislation to cross the footway for the purpose of access.

Colin Bignell

On 12 Oct, 22:09, "Roger Mills" wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Mitch wrote:
Even if you get it agreed our local council quoted me £800 just to
lower the kerb - I figured its cheaper to lay the drive and leave the
kerb as is - been working for me for 5 years no probs!

I have heard it claimed (here, I think) that you are breaking the law if you
drive over a footpath which *doesn't* have a dropped kerb. Don't know
whether it's true - but it would be worth checking.


Driving acoss the pavement is an offence if there is no dropeed kerb.
However, I believe that having your car parked on the garden is not
considered evidence that you drove it there; you migh thave craned it
there for example, or dismatled it and rebuiklt it bit by bit. in
just the same way as parking on the pavement might cause the offence
of 'obstruction' but is not proof of driving on the pavement.

Robert

"Maurice W" wrote in message
...
....
Of all the houses, ours has the widest garden, but on account of a bay
window, it's not as deep. On account of this, our intention is to buy
a super-mini, which would actually be small enough to turn on the
parking space in front of the house....

The requirement will be for there to be sufficient space to turn a car of a
specific size, usually the 95th percentile, not whichever car you happen to
own at the time.

Colin Bignell

On 12 Oct, 17:45, Maurice W wrote:
Chums

I'm slowly (as is my wont) progressing thoughts about asking for a
dropped kerb permission, to park on the front garden. (The nature of
the road is that is required planning permission).

The local council are being helpful in email communication, but their
latest states



xxx Rd is classified as a Secondary Distributor Road and the Highway
Authority would not allow the formation of a vehicle access without an
off street turning arrangement. Clearly, this would not be achievable
within the dimensions of your front garden and any planning
application would be recommended for refusal.



which appears to be saying that they're expecting the vehicle access
to be big enough to turn a vehicle around on it. The neighbouring
houses all have narrower gardens, being terraced, and one actually has
a picasso parked on it, which pretty much takes up all the available
space when its parked on there, never mind being able to turn it!

Of all the houses, ours has the widest garden, but on account of a bay
window, it's not as deep. On account of this, our intention is to buy
a super-mini, which would actually be small enough to turn on the
parking space in front of the house.

Anyone had experience of this specific objections to a dropped kerb?

M

Yes i had a run in with my local council on a similar issue . I live
in a street in which every house with a car owner was given a dropped
kerb free if charge . My house previously was owned by an old lady so
she never applied for one . So i have been driving up the kerb with a
little piece of timber snuggling the kerb , and parking on my garden
without problem .

Then i got a letter through my door saying i was breaking some by-law
dating from 1878 ? stating i was driving illegally over a highway and
byway . LOL i could face criminal prosecution ! . So i rang the
council and i asked if i could have a dropped kerb like my
nieghbours , they promptly sent a guy round , and this guy spent an
hour with is little book and pen scribbling notes . then he went .

3 weeks later i got a letter saying it would cost me 699 quid ! ,
lol , it would cost of me a bag of bitumen and two kerbs at the time
around 20 quid all in , i just ripped up the letter and threw it
away .

Im still the only one without a dropped kerb , i still drive over the
path ( like my neighbors ) and i have never heard from them since ( 10
years ago ). If i do i will fight them . This is sheer lunacy .

In article , Maurice W
writes
Chums

I'm slowly (as is my wont) progressing thoughts about asking for a
dropped kerb permission, to park on the front garden. (The nature of
the road is that is required planning permission).

The local council are being helpful in email communication, but their
latest states


xxx Rd is classified as a Secondary Distributor Road and the Highway
Authority would not allow the formation of a vehicle access without an
off street turning arrangement. Clearly, this would not be achievable
within the dimensions of your front garden and any planning
application would be recommended for refusal.


which appears to be saying that they're expecting the vehicle access
to be big enough to turn a vehicle around on it. The neighbouring
houses all have narrower gardens, being terraced, and one actually has
a picasso parked on it, which pretty much takes up all the available
space when its parked on there, never mind being able to turn it!

Of all the houses, ours has the widest garden, but on account of a bay
window, it's not as deep. On account of this, our intention is to buy
a super-mini, which would actually be small enough to turn on the
parking space in front of the house.

Anyone had experience of this specific objections to a dropped kerb?

M


I am currently going through a planning process on a renovation
property, at the pre-application discussion stage.

There is no off-road access at the moment and the plan is to make a
couple of parking spaces on the area of the front garden.

I spoke to the LA about this and they initially said they had no
problems with this but would require a turning area so as to "allow
entry and exit in a forward gear".

This would be problematical given the proposed ideas for a side
extension to the existing property and so I asked to meet them on site
to discuss the options.

I met a council officer who recognised that the position of the property
allowed good eyelines in both directions and given that in the 15-20
minutes we were on site about 2 cars passed the property (it is in a
quite Wiltshire village, but is on a classified road) she agreed that a
turning area would not be necessary. We did also have a look at a few
of the neighbouring properties which clearly did not have turning areas.

She has since followed this up in writing.

I don't know if this will help you, but it shows that a common sense
approach can be made if the relevant parties are willing.

Cheers

Martin

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Martin Carroll