I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to
buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to
fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

--
Ian

On 2007-08-02 09:52:28 +0100, ian said:

I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able
to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big
to fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

Everybody ignores the whole silly thing as they should do.

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On 2007-08-02 09:52:28 +0100, ian said:

I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able
to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big
to fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

Everybody ignores the whole silly thing as they should do.

It's all you can do really. The number of things I do regularly that i'm not
(only of late it would seem) really allowed to beggars belief.

On Aug 2, 9:52 am, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to
buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to
fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

--
Ian

If you redesignate them as combined light and heating devices,
suddenly they're almost 100% efficient!

A

wrote

If you redesignate them as combined light and heating devices,
suddenly they're almost 100% efficient!

Sounds good until you realise that much of the heat will float? out the back
of the fitting.
If you have a single storey kitchen extension (as I do) this is waste heat
:-(

Phil

On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to
buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to
fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

--
Ian

By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be heading
for avocado bathroom suite status.

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:04:39 -0700, Anita Palley
wrote:

On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to
buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to
fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

--
Ian

By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be heading
for avocado bathroom suite status.

Nah - chocolate brown...

--
Frank Erskine

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On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to
buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to
fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

--
Ian

By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be heading
for avocado bathroom suite status.

Avacado will probably be back in by then

Andy

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On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding
mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we
will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be
able to
buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too
big to
fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

--
Ian

By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be
heading
for avocado bathroom suite status.

Avacado will probably be back in by then

Andy



No, by 2009 they will have realised that the mercury in energy
efficient bulbs is a pollutant and will have banned them all, along
with the incandescent ones, so we will be back to reeds dipped in lamb
fat !

AWEM

On Aug 2, 11:34 am, "Andrew Mawson"
wrote:
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On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding
mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we
will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be
able to
buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too
big to
fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

--
Ian

By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be
heading
for avocado bathroom suite status.

Avacado will probably be back in by then

Andy

No, by 2009 they will have realised that the mercury in energy
efficient bulbs is a pollutant and will have banned them all, along
with the incandescent ones, so we will be back to reeds dipped in lamb
fat !

Which will have to be imported due to the decimation of sheep farming
caused by the CAP, etc.

MBQ

On Aug 2, 9:52 am, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to
buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to
fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

--
Ian

LV halogen is pretty darn efficient, totally different from your 60W
GLS that really has reached end of useful life.

CFL and CCFL may be energy efficient in consumption but really do
question embodied energy and end of life energy costs. You do get them
in MR16 size but output is less than overwhelming.

LED is catching up fast but next years will be twice as bright and
half the cost.

Adam

On 2 Aug, 11:46, Adam Aglionby wrote:
On Aug 2, 9:52 am, ian wrote:

I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to
buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to
fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

--
Ian

LV halogen is pretty darn efficient, totally different from your 60W
GLS that really has reached end of useful life.

CFL and CCFL may be energy efficient in consumption but really do
question embodied energy and end of life energy costs. You do get them
in MR16 size but output is less than overwhelming.

LED is catching up fast but next years will be twice as bright and
half the cost.

Adam

the embodied energy is small compared to the energy saved in use.

Re future proofing, the simple answer is to use fittings that will
take a range of options. Whether the future is cfl, gls, halogen or
LED, suitably sized BC socketed uplighters will take all of these.
Ditto downlighters, but with higher run cost.

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Rewiring_Tips


NT

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On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding
mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we
will
all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be
able to
buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too
big to
fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

--
Ian

By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be
heading
for avocado bathroom suite status.

Avacado will probably be back in by then

Andy



No, by 2009 they will have realised that the mercury in energy
efficient bulbs is a pollutant and will have banned them all, along
with the incandescent ones, so we will be back to reeds dipped in lamb
fat !

AWEM

And vegetarians will live in the dark

Tony

In message . com,
writes
Re future proofing, the simple answer is to use fittings that will
take a range of options. Whether the future is cfl, gls, halogen or
LED, suitably sized BC socketed uplighters will take all of these.
Ditto downlighters, but with higher run cost.

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Rewiring_Tips


NT


Interesting. Thanks NT.

--
Ian

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:00:22 +0100, "TheScullster"
wrote:


wrote

If you redesignate them as combined light and heating devices,
suddenly they're almost 100% efficient!

Sounds good until you realise that much of the heat will float? out the back
of the fitting.
If you have a single storey kitchen extension (as I do) this is waste heat
:-(

Phil


I might not be wasted - it will probably keep the snow off the roof.

In article m,
Adam Aglionby writes:
On Aug 2, 9:52 am, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will

If this is an extension subject to building regs, Part L will
almost certainly require you use lighting of = 40lm/W, which
rules out halogens anyway. (Another option if your BCO allows
is to fit high efficiency lighting in another commonly used
room instead, as it's only required in a proportion of the
commonly used rooms.)

all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to
buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find
energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to
fit in the fitting), so what happens then?

LV halogen is pretty darn efficient, totally different from your 60W
GLS that really has reached end of useful life.

They are better, but don't come close to CFLs.

CFL and CCFL may be energy efficient in consumption but really do
question embodied energy and end of life energy costs.

Quite insignificant compared with filament lamp consumption.

You do get them
in MR16 size but output is less than overwhelming.

It's a mismatch of technologies. Fluorescent lamps make poor
compact light sources.

LED is catching up fast but next years will be twice as bright and
half the cost.

LED technology has always claimed to be "just around the corner",
but has consistently failed to produce any usable technology for
a decade (other than a few specialised applications). For those who
want to stick with minature high intensity sources, metal halide
has already taken over from halogens commercially, and this trend
will continue into domestic market as the initial purchase price
drops.

Halogen may well make a come-back too with a significant rise in
efficiency. A number of lamp manufacturers are working on halogen
(and other) filaments with micro pattening on the surface which
prevents emission of longer wavelengths (Infra-red), enabling the
filament to operate at the same temperature at significantly lower
power input.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 2 Aug, 22:09, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

Halogen may well make a come-back too with a significant rise in
efficiency. A number of lamp manufacturers are working on halogen
(and other) filaments with micro pattening on the surface which
prevents emission of longer wavelengths (Infra-red), enabling the
filament to operate at the same temperature at significantly lower
power input.

Sounds interesting. Would any such patterning not evaporate fairly
soon? Do you have a link?


NT