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Ceiling lights in 2009?
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini
spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? -- Ian |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
On 2007-08-02 09:52:28 +0100, ian said:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? Everybody ignores the whole silly thing as they should do. |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-08-02 09:52:28 +0100, ian said: I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? Everybody ignores the whole silly thing as they should do. It's all you can do really. The number of things I do regularly that i'm not (only of late it would seem) really allowed to beggars belief. |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
On Aug 2, 9:52 am, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? -- Ian If you redesignate them as combined light and heating devices, suddenly they're almost 100% efficient! A |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
wrote If you redesignate them as combined light and heating devices, suddenly they're almost 100% efficient! Sounds good until you realise that much of the heat will float? out the back of the fitting. If you have a single storey kitchen extension (as I do) this is waste heat :-( Phil |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? -- Ian By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be heading for avocado bathroom suite status. |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:04:39 -0700, Anita Palley
wrote: On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote: I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? -- Ian By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be heading for avocado bathroom suite status. Nah - chocolate brown... -- Frank Erskine |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
"Anita Palley" wrote in message oups.com... On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote: I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? -- Ian By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be heading for avocado bathroom suite status. Avacado will probably be back in by then Andy |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
"Andy McKenzie" wrote in message ... "Anita Palley" wrote in message oups.com... On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote: I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? -- Ian By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be heading for avocado bathroom suite status. Avacado will probably be back in by then Andy No, by 2009 they will have realised that the mercury in energy efficient bulbs is a pollutant and will have banned them all, along with the incandescent ones, so we will be back to reeds dipped in lamb fat ! AWEM |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
On Aug 2, 11:34 am, "Andrew Mawson"
wrote: "Andy McKenzie" wrote in message ... "Anita Palley" wrote in message roups.com... On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote: I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? -- Ian By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be heading for avocado bathroom suite status. Avacado will probably be back in by then Andy No, by 2009 they will have realised that the mercury in energy efficient bulbs is a pollutant and will have banned them all, along with the incandescent ones, so we will be back to reeds dipped in lamb fat ! Which will have to be imported due to the decimation of sheep farming caused by the CAP, etc. MBQ |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
On Aug 2, 9:52 am, ian wrote:
I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? -- Ian LV halogen is pretty darn efficient, totally different from your 60W GLS that really has reached end of useful life. CFL and CCFL may be energy efficient in consumption but really do question embodied energy and end of life energy costs. You do get them in MR16 size but output is less than overwhelming. LED is catching up fast but next years will be twice as bright and half the cost. Adam |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
On 2 Aug, 11:46, Adam Aglionby wrote:
On Aug 2, 9:52 am, ian wrote: I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? -- Ian LV halogen is pretty darn efficient, totally different from your 60W GLS that really has reached end of useful life. CFL and CCFL may be energy efficient in consumption but really do question embodied energy and end of life energy costs. You do get them in MR16 size but output is less than overwhelming. LED is catching up fast but next years will be twice as bright and half the cost. Adam the embodied energy is small compared to the energy saved in use. Re future proofing, the simple answer is to use fittings that will take a range of options. Whether the future is cfl, gls, halogen or LED, suitably sized BC socketed uplighters will take all of these. Ditto downlighters, but with higher run cost. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Rewiring_Tips NT |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... "Andy McKenzie" wrote in message ... "Anita Palley" wrote in message oups.com... On 2 Aug, 09:52, ian wrote: I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? -- Ian By 2009 they will have gone out of fashion anyway, and will be heading for avocado bathroom suite status. Avacado will probably be back in by then Andy No, by 2009 they will have realised that the mercury in energy efficient bulbs is a pollutant and will have banned them all, along with the incandescent ones, so we will be back to reeds dipped in lamb fat ! AWEM And vegetarians will live in the dark Tony |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:00:22 +0100, "TheScullster"
wrote: wrote If you redesignate them as combined light and heating devices, suddenly they're almost 100% efficient! Sounds good until you realise that much of the heat will float? out the back of the fitting. If you have a single storey kitchen extension (as I do) this is waste heat :-( Phil I might not be wasted - it will probably keep the snow off the roof. |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
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Adam Aglionby writes: On Aug 2, 9:52 am, ian wrote: I'm planning a new kitchen and bathroom, and intended embedding mini spotlights in the ceilings. However, someone pointed out that we will If this is an extension subject to building regs, Part L will almost certainly require you use lighting of = 40lm/W, which rules out halogens anyway. (Another option if your BCO allows is to fit high efficiency lighting in another commonly used room instead, as it's only required in a proportion of the commonly used rooms.) all be forced to go green in a couple of years, and will only be able to buy energy- efficient bulbs from then on. I doubt you will find energy-efficient mini spots (even if they exist, they will be too big to fit in the fitting), so what happens then? LV halogen is pretty darn efficient, totally different from your 60W GLS that really has reached end of useful life. They are better, but don't come close to CFLs. CFL and CCFL may be energy efficient in consumption but really do question embodied energy and end of life energy costs. Quite insignificant compared with filament lamp consumption. You do get them in MR16 size but output is less than overwhelming. It's a mismatch of technologies. Fluorescent lamps make poor compact light sources. LED is catching up fast but next years will be twice as bright and half the cost. LED technology has always claimed to be "just around the corner", but has consistently failed to produce any usable technology for a decade (other than a few specialised applications). For those who want to stick with minature high intensity sources, metal halide has already taken over from halogens commercially, and this trend will continue into domestic market as the initial purchase price drops. Halogen may well make a come-back too with a significant rise in efficiency. A number of lamp manufacturers are working on halogen (and other) filaments with micro pattening on the surface which prevents emission of longer wavelengths (Infra-red), enabling the filament to operate at the same temperature at significantly lower power input. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
Ceiling lights in 2009?
On 2 Aug, 22:09, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
Halogen may well make a come-back too with a significant rise in efficiency. A number of lamp manufacturers are working on halogen (and other) filaments with micro pattening on the surface which prevents emission of longer wavelengths (Infra-red), enabling the filament to operate at the same temperature at significantly lower power input. Sounds interesting. Would any such patterning not evaporate fairly soon? Do you have a link? NT |
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