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I really hate painting gloss. Trouble is, all the woodwork in our (60s)
house is painted white, and it's mostly looking grubby now, so I'm going to have to re-paint it all. There's bloody miles of it, plus some big panels on the stairs. Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. Can I get away with that? John |
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I really hate painting gloss. Trouble is, all the woodwork in our (60s) house is painted white, and it's mostly looking grubby now, so I'm going to have to re-paint it all. There's bloody miles of it, plus some big panels on the stairs. Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. Can I get away with that? I think a good sugar soaping would be fine, but have you considered getting a few quotes to have it done by a decorator, seeing as you hate it so much (as I do!). Might not be as expensive as you think. Si |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:40:17 +0100, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote: I think a good sugar soaping would be fine, but have you considered getting a few quotes to have it done by a decorator, seeing as you hate it so much (as I do!). Might not be as expensive as you think. That's what I do, I found a retired P&D that likes to keep his hand in. £60 a day plus materials. |
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"jal" wrote in message ... I really hate painting gloss. Trouble is, all the woodwork in our (60s) house is painted white, and it's mostly looking grubby now, so I'm going to have to re-paint it all. There's bloody miles of it, plus some big panels on the stairs. Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. Can I get away with that? John I can sympathise - when I did my hall stairs and landing last year prior to sale it felt like the Forth Bridge ! 14 Edwardian 4 panel doors, and acres of 17" high skirtings, architraves etc. Quite a bit to be said for boring modern houses ! AWEM |
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jal wrote:
I really hate painting gloss. Trouble is, all the woodwork in our (60s) house is painted white, and it's mostly looking grubby now, so I'm going to have to re-paint it all. There's bloody miles of it, plus some big panels on the stairs. Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. Can I get away with that? John It can't hurt to wrap some wet-and-dry paper around the cloth or sponge you're going to wash it down with. -- LSR |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:16:31 +0100, LSR wrote:
jal wrote: I really hate painting gloss. Trouble is, all the woodwork in our (60s) house is painted white, and it's mostly looking grubby now, so I'm going to have to re-paint it all. There's bloody miles of it, plus some big panels on the stairs. Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. Can I get away with that? John It can't hurt to wrap some wet-and-dry paper around the cloth or sponge you're going to wash it down with. You can buy sponges with emery faces in several grades. -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:40:17 +0100, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot" wrote: I think a good sugar soaping would be fine, but have you considered getting a few quotes to have it done by a decorator, seeing as you hate it so much (as I do!). Might not be as expensive as you think. That's what I do, I found a retired P&D that likes to keep his hand in. £60 a day plus materials. Yup. There's no shame, even in a DIY group, paying someone to do something you find incredibly tedious. Si |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:14:59 +0100, jal wrote:
I really hate painting gloss. Trouble is, all the woodwork in our (60s) house is painted white, and it's mostly looking grubby now, so I'm going to have to re-paint it all. There's bloody miles of it, plus some big panels on the stairs. Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. Can I get away with that? John It's possible to purchse liquid sander. This is like Sugar soap but also prepares the surface for painting. |
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Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
Steve Pearce wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:40:17 +0100, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot" wrote: I think a good sugar soaping would be fine, but have you considered getting a few quotes to have it done by a decorator, seeing as you hate it so much (as I do!). Might not be as expensive as you think. That's what I do, I found a retired P&D that likes to keep his hand in. £60 a day plus materials. Yup. There's no shame, even in a DIY group, paying someone to do something you find incredibly tedious. Si Sugar soap is really designed to remove grease and other alkali soluble gunk, and I don't think many of us live like that nowadays. Interesting that sugar is quite a good abrasive, as is bicarbonate of soda, but nothing IME makes the job any easier |
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Stuart Noble wrote:
Sugar soap is really designed to remove grease and other alkali soluble gunk, and I don't think many of us live like that nowadays. Most of what sticks dirt togther is grease of some form or another. Either from human skin or often from trace quantities in the air (or large quantities if one lives in diesel-soaked London.). Interesting that sugar is quite a good abrasive, as is bicarbonate of soda, but nothing IME makes the job any easier I don't know if you are random word associating, but sugar soap has nothing to do with sugar. And bicarbonate of soda works pretty much like sugar soap in that it will solubilise lipids. |
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Stuart Noble wrote: Sugar soap is really designed to remove grease and other alkali soluble gunk, and I don't think many of us live like that nowadays. Most of what sticks dirt togther is grease of some form or another. Either from human skin or often from trace quantities in the air (or large quantities if one lives in diesel-soaked London.). Interesting that sugar is quite a good abrasive, as is bicarbonate of soda, but nothing IME makes the job any easier I don't know if you are random word associating I have nothing better to do , but sugar soap has nothing to do with sugar. Sugar with soap (or washing up liquid)is a damned fine hand cleaner as it happens, and it's reasonable to suppose its abrasive qualities were not unknown to decorators. Then again, maybe someone just decided "sugar soap" was a great name for something that had nothing to do with sugar. And bicarbonate of soda works pretty much like sugar soap in that it will solubilise lipids. I believe sugar soap is now based on a fairly insipid detergent rather than the phosphates it used to consist of. Bicarb is sparingly soluble in water, hence its effectiveness as a mild abrasive in a paste. |
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On Aug 1, 5:10 pm, Stuart Noble
wrote: Steve Firth wrote: Stuart Noble wrote: Sugar soap is really designed to remove grease and other alkali soluble gunk, and I don't think many of us live like that nowadays. Most of what sticks dirt togther is grease of some form or another. Either from human skin or often from trace quantities in the air (or large quantities if one lives in diesel-soaked London.). Interesting that sugar is quite a good abrasive, as is bicarbonate of soda, but nothing IME makes the job any easier I don't know if you are random word associating I have nothing better to do , but sugar soap has nothing to do with sugar. Sugar with soap (or washing up liquid)is a damned fine hand cleaner as it happens, and it's reasonable to suppose its abrasive qualities were not unknown to decorators. Then again, maybe someone just decided "sugar soap" was a great name for something that had nothing to do with sugar. And bicarbonate of soda works pretty much like sugar soap in that it will solubilise lipids. I believe sugar soap is now based on a fairly insipid detergent rather than the phosphates it used to consist of. Bicarb is sparingly soluble in water, hence its effectiveness as a mild abrasive in a paste. This is an interesting discussion, I painted some woodwork last year using DPBW and I am about to do some more as I decorate other rooms this month. But I have noticed that the wood I re-painted last year looks no brighter now than wood that I am about to re-paint that is a few years old. Is there a reason that even DPBW yellows so quickly. Im almost wondering whether there is any point in painting it anway since it will look the same next year as it does now! Is it in my prep or the paint I wonder! Rajeev |
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Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. I HATE "Glossing", not so much the actual painting but the sheer effort involved in keeping everything clean (ie brushes after painting, carpet whilst it is on going, wall paper if leaving it on after painting etc.) Your method sounds like a plan, however you may also want to knock of any "snots" (collections of paint around e.g. a piece of lint)and give everything (that is to be glossed) a light sanding (possibly a "£20 special" sander from Lidl). Best of the lot is an empty room. Ceiling to be painted, walls to be papered. Ceiling gets emulsioned, letting a *little" paint cover the top of the wall then Gloss the woodwork letting a *little* paint cover the wall then paper any where the trimming is just a tad tight the wee bit extra paint shows through (the ceiling or woodwork colour) and doesn't catch the eye so much. The glossing is so much easier if carpet or masking is not involved. -- www.cheesesoup.myby.co.uk |
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"jal" wrote in message ... I really hate painting gloss. Trouble is, all the woodwork in our (60s) house is painted white, and it's mostly looking grubby now, so I'm going to have to re-paint it all. There's bloody miles of it, plus some big panels on the stairs. Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. Can I get away with that? John I second John Evans's suggestion of liquid sander. The only one I've seen on sale is I think called Easy Sand and is made by International. Works well and avoids the dust from sanding which I hate. |
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"jal" wrote in message ... I really hate painting gloss. Trouble is, all the woodwork in our (60s) house is painted white, and it's mostly looking grubby now, so I'm going to have to re-paint it all. There's bloody miles of it, plus some big panels on the stairs. Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. Can I get away with that? John I second John Evans's suggestion of liquid sander. The only one I've seen on sale is I think called Easy Sand and is made by International. Works well and avoids the dust from sanding which I hate. I don't know that it does anything much at all other than slightly polish the surface. If it doesn't attack the finish in any way and powders off if you dust the surface, what use is it? |
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"soup" wrote in message k... jal wrote: Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. I HATE "Glossing", not so much the actual painting but the sheer effort involved in keeping everything clean (ie brushes after painting, carpet whilst it is on going, wall paper if leaving it on after painting etc.) SNIP I've totally given up washing gloss paint brushes. At the end of the day I wrap them tightly in cling film. Next day I smooth them out with a rag soaked in white spirit and carry on painting. At the end of the job the brush gets thrown away and a new one bought for the next job. Saves a huges amount of time and considerable amounts of white spirit. AWEM |
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"Stuart Noble" wrote in message news rrh wrote: "jal" wrote in message ... I really hate painting gloss. Trouble is, all the woodwork in our (60s) house is painted white, and it's mostly looking grubby now, so I'm going to have to re-paint it all. There's bloody miles of it, plus some big panels on the stairs. Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. Can I get away with that? John I second John Evans's suggestion of liquid sander. The only one I've seen on sale is I think called Easy Sand and is made by International. Works well and avoids the dust from sanding which I hate. I don't know that it does anything much at all other than slightly polish the surface. If it doesn't attack the finish in any way and powders off if you dust the surface, what use is it? I think it does attack the finish. It certainly takes a bit of the shine off gloss. The instructions say paint within 6 hours for best results. That implies to me that it softens the finish or in some other way makes it better as a surface for new paint. |
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"Stuart Noble" wrote in message news rrh wrote: "jal" wrote in message ... I really hate painting gloss. Trouble is, all the woodwork in our (60s) house is painted white, and it's mostly looking grubby now, so I'm going to have to re-paint it all. There's bloody miles of it, plus some big panels on the stairs. Is Sugar Soap good enough to prepare the surfaces? I'm thinking: a good wash with Sugar Soap (and presumably a good rinse); undercoat Dulux Professional Brilliant White; topcoat DPBW. Can I get away with that? John I second John Evans's suggestion of liquid sander. The only one I've seen on sale is I think called Easy Sand and is made by International. Works well and avoids the dust from sanding which I hate. I don't know that it does anything much at all other than slightly polish the surface. If it doesn't attack the finish in any way and powders off if you dust the surface, what use is it? I think it does attack the finish. It certainly takes a bit of the shine off gloss. The instructions say paint within 6 hours for best results. That implies to me that it softens the finish or in some other way makes it better as a surface for new paint. If it attacked the surface, it would have to contain a strong solvent. AFAIK these products are simply fine abrasives in a gel. Any abrading is done by the user in the removal of the dried film, so you might as well sand in the first place |
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I've totally given up washing gloss paint brushes. At the end of the job the brush gets thrown away and a new one bought for the next job. I must admit that tends to happen with me too. I start with lots of good intentions that I am going to clean these brushes but every time when I am finished the brushes get the Heave-Ho. The only trouble with this approach is that if you get good brushes it's money down the drain and if you get cheapo brushes the finish is not as good as desired. Does anyone have a (cheap and easy) method of cleaning Gloss brushes that doesn't involve gallons and gallons of white spirit (are there any P&Ds in the house)? -- www.cheesesoup.myby.co.uk |
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If it attacked the surface, it would have to contain a strong solvent. AFAIK these products are simply fine abrasives in a gel. Any abrading is done by the user in the removal of the dried film, so you might as well sand in the first place I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong. These products are completely liquid; no gel, no abrasive. They DO attack the surface, and it is wise to wear chemical proof gloves when using these products. "Sugar Soap" is a trade name for finely ground Sodium Carbonate (Washing Soda). I find that the best results are obtained if the solution is applied with the type of kitchen sponge that has the green "Scotchbrite" face; this increases the penetration of the solution. It is very important that the surface is thoroughly rinsed after using the solution. |
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"Andrew Mawson" wrote: I've totally given up washing gloss paint brushes. At the end of the day I wrap them tightly in cling film. Next day I smooth them out with a rag soaked in white spirit and carry on painting. At the end of the job the brush gets thrown away and a new one bought for the next job. Saves a huges amount of time and considerable amounts of white spirit. AWEM Interesting tip, but I wouldn't like to throw my brushes away as I've had some of them for over twenty years, although I don't tend to mix household synthetic oil paints with vehicle coach enamels as the household paints tend to silt up the stock quite quickly. I have other brushes reserved only for emulsions, cleaning is a pain but worth it on expensive brushes, but I do recycle white spirit etc for future use. Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes Using a British RISC Operating System 100% immune to any Windows virus. "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce |
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On 1 Aug, 20:29, soup wrote:
Andrew Mawson wrote: I've totally given up washing gloss paint brushes. At the end of the job the brush gets thrown away and a new one bought for the next job. I must admit that tends to happen with me too. I start with lots of good intentions that I am going to clean these brushes but every time when I am finished the brushes get the Heave-Ho. The only trouble with this approach is that if you get good brushes it's money down the drain and if you get cheapo brushes the finish is not as good as desired. Does anyone have a (cheap and easy) method of cleaning Gloss brushes that doesn't involve gallons and gallons of white spirit (are there any P&Ds in the house)? --www.cheesesoup.myby.co.uk Go to a trade supplier e.g. Brewers, and buy a professional's brush store. It wont clean your brushes, but if you put a wet brush into one it will be ready for use the next time you need it, even if it's a year later. The only time I clean a brush is when I've been using a colour I know I'm not likely to use again. |
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"rrh" wrote: I don't know that it does anything much at all other than slightly polish the surface. If it doesn't attack the finish in any way and powders off if you dust the surface, what use is it? I think it does attack the finish. It certainly takes a bit of the shine off gloss. The instructions say paint within 6 hours for best results. That implies to me that it softens the finish or in some other way makes it better as a surface for new paint. Flatting gloss paint usually does soften the surface and there is a time scale that the prepared surface should be painted within, it is not unusual to paint within say six hours after flatting. Fresh paint applied over the top will have a better bond during this time scale (which differs with certain paints), the bonding will not be as strong if the area is painted after the time scale and the prepared paint has had time to fully harden again. This is often called "breathing time" in the trade where a paint is allowed to breath or harden usually after a good wet flatting. Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes Using a British RISC Operating System 100% immune to any Windows virus. "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce |
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This is an interesting discussion, I painted some woodwork last year
using DPBW and I am about to do some more as I decorate other rooms this month. But I have noticed that the wood I re-painted last year looks no brighter now than wood that I am about to re-paint that is a few years old. Is there a reason that even DPBW yellows so quickly. Im almost wondering whether there is any point in painting it anway since it will look the same next year as it does now! Is it in my prep or the paint I wonder! Rajeev BW paint was brought out in the 60s for external use. It contains certain additives derived from titanium that are beneficially affected by ultra violet light, in that the UV keeps the paint from yellowing. The effect is reversible by subjecting the yellowed paint to a UV light source, E.G. a tanning lamp. In my own home I use only normal white paint such as Dulux Trade White Paint. I prefer customers who specify BW as I know that I'll be back to them to repaint a lot sooner! |
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Andrew Mawson wrote: I've totally given up washing gloss paint brushes. At the end of the job the brush gets thrown away and a new one bought for the next job. I must admit that tends to happen with me too. I start with lots of good intentions that I am going to clean these brushes but every time when I am finished the brushes get the Heave-Ho. The only trouble with this approach is that if you get good brushes it's money down the drain and if you get cheapo brushes the finish is not as good as desired. Does anyone have a (cheap and easy) method of cleaning Gloss brushes that doesn't involve gallons and gallons of white spirit (are there any P&Ds in the house)? I keep a 2 litre container of WS just for brush washing. The solids collect at the bottom so it can be reused almost indefinitely. Doesn't get them 100% clean, but washing up liquid and hot water does the rest. Bought a pack of 7 brushes in the Pound Shop the other day. The 2" got me through half a litre of oil paint on to masonry without shedding its bristles |
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If it attacked the surface, it would have to contain a strong solvent. AFAIK these products are simply fine abrasives in a gel. Any abrading is done by the user in the removal of the dried film, so you might as well sand in the first place I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong. These products are completely liquid; no gel, no abrasive. You're referring to liquid sanders now? Those I've used are gelled to stop them running off the surface. How else could you apply them to vertical surfaces? They DO attack the surface, and it is wise to wear chemical proof gloves when using these products. How do they attack the surface. If by alkali action, they would have no effect on acrylics. "Sugar Soap" is a trade name for finely ground Sodium Carbonate (Washing Soda). Until recently it was mainly a trade name for trisodium phosphate. Finely ground soda wouldn't stay fine for long given its hygroscopic nature, which is why it isn't supplied in that form. I find that the best results are obtained if the solution is applied with the type of kitchen sponge that has the green "Scotchbrite" face; this increases the penetration of the solution. It is very important that the surface is thoroughly rinsed after using the solution. |
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Mr Fuxit wrote:
wise to wear chemical proof gloves when using these products. "Sugar Soap" is a trade name for finely ground Sodium Carbonate (Washing Soda). I find that the best results are obtained if the solution is applied with the type of kitchen sponge that has the green "Scotchbrite" face; this increases the penetration of the solution. It is very important that the surface is thoroughly rinsed after using the solution. Leyland SDM do decorators versions of the 'Scotchbrite' scourers in 3 grades soft/normal/hard these are much bigger 12"x4" than the kitchen version. work very well with sugar soap. Why gloss and Brilliant white, personally I prefer a flatter finish and a more natural rather than a fluorescent 'whiter than white' look. -- djc |
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"Sugar Soap" is a trade name for finely ground Sodium Carbonate (Washing Soda). Not quite: Material Safety Data Sheet SACHET & PACKAGING SERVICES LTD SAFETY PRODUCT DATA SHEET (in accordance with EEC Directive 91/155/EEC) 1.0 IDENTIFICATION OF PRODUCT/MANUFACTURE AND COMPANY 1.1 PRODUCT NAME / CODE : Sugar Soap Powder [snip] 2.0 COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS 2.1 Blend of Sodium Sesquicarbonate, Sodium Alkylbenzene Sulphonate (&) Sodium Tripolyphosphate. Some blends include sodium silicate as a mild abrasive. |
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On 2007-08-01 14:01:22 +0100, Owain said:
Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote: Yup. There's no shame, even in a DIY group, paying someone to do something you find incredibly tedious. On the other hand, if you're paying someone to do something the wife finds incredibly tedious ... Unless it's ironing, of course. Owain You mean that they should always do the ironing whether they like it or not? |
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On 2007-08-01 14:01:22 +0100, Owain said: Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote: Yup. There's no shame, even in a DIY group, paying someone to do something you find incredibly tedious. On the other hand, if you're paying someone to do something the wife finds incredibly tedious ... Unless it's ironing, of course. Owain You mean that they should always do the ironing whether they like it or not? Do people still iron things? I see no benefit to ironing bed linen and, if Roman Abramovich doesn't iron his shirts, why should I? |
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On 2007-08-03 10:36:46 +0100, Stuart Noble
said: Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-08-01 14:01:22 +0100, Owain said: Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote: Yup. There's no shame, even in a DIY group, paying someone to do something you find incredibly tedious. On the other hand, if you're paying someone to do something the wife finds incredibly tedious ... Unless it's ironing, of course. Owain You mean that they should always do the ironing whether they like it or not? Do people still iron things? I see no benefit to ironing bed linen and, if Roman Abramovich doesn't iron his shirts, why should I? Yes, but I'd always thought of you as having more class than Roman. |
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Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-08-03 10:36:46 +0100, Stuart Noble said: Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-08-01 14:01:22 +0100, Owain said: Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote: Yup. There's no shame, even in a DIY group, paying someone to do something you find incredibly tedious. On the other hand, if you're paying someone to do something the wife finds incredibly tedious ... Unless it's ironing, of course. Owain You mean that they should always do the ironing whether they like it or not? Do people still iron things? I see no benefit to ironing bed linen and, if Roman Abramovich doesn't iron his shirts, why should I? Yes, but I'd always thought of you as having more class than Roman. I think he has the edge. That vagrant look isn't easy |
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Andy Hall wrote: On the other hand, if you're paying someone to do something the wife finds incredibly tedious ... Unless it's ironing, of course. You mean that they should always do the ironing whether they like it or not? You know she really loves you when she uses a sleeve board on your shirts... Only my mother ever did that |
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Sugar Soap -- good enough?
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-08-03 10:36:46 +0100, Stuart Noble said: Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-08-01 14:01:22 +0100, Owain said: Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote: Yup. There's no shame, even in a DIY group, paying someone to do something you find incredibly tedious. On the other hand, if you're paying someone to do something the wife finds incredibly tedious ... Unless it's ironing, of course. Owain You mean that they should always do the ironing whether they like it or not? Do people still iron things? I see no benefit to ironing bed linen and, if Roman Abramovich doesn't iron his shirts, why should I? Yes, but I'd always thought of you as having more class than Roman. Beware....he may be a 'Greek' bearing/baring gifts! ;-) Don. |
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