I am buying an old access road to a Factory to turn it into garden, and
distribute sections to the neighbours. It is far more complicated than
that. :-( It is IMO far better to have the locals owning the land rather
than an absentee landlord. A small amount of Fly Tipping has occurred.

There are *redundant* Gas, Electricity and Water Services along the length
of the road, once used by the factory. I have contacted the companies in
charge of the *physical* networks.

The gas supplier Northern Gas Networks/United Utilities are Quoting GBP
1073.95 to disconnect the 4 inch main. Is this legal? Because as I see
it is just maintenance of their network? I have never had any advantage

The Electricity YEDL supplier, on the other hand, are offering to remove
the cable "at YEDL cost"

Cutting off the water is just a matter of turning off an existing tap next
to the existing meter, so I for see no problems. Yorkshire water have not
yet got back to me

The Planning Department, are proving helpful, and have *said* that there
would be no problems, but have charged me GBP 32 for an official answer to
my question about Change of Use Planning permission which I fully expect to
get.

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On 2007-04-25 14:01:38 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
said:

I am buying an old access road to a Factory to turn it into garden, and
distribute sections to the neighbours. It is far more complicated than
that. :-( It is IMO far better to have the locals owning the land rather
than an absentee landlord. A small amount of Fly Tipping has occurred.

There are *redundant* Gas, Electricity and Water Services along the length
of the road, once used by the factory. I have contacted the companies in
charge of the *physical* networks.

The gas supplier Northern Gas Networks/United Utilities are Quoting GBP
1073.95 to disconnect the 4 inch main. Is this legal? Because as I see
it is just maintenance of their network? I have never had any advantage

The Electricity YEDL supplier, on the other hand, are offering to remove
the cable "at YEDL cost"

Cutting off the water is just a matter of turning off an existing tap next
to the existing meter, so I for see no problems. Yorkshire water have not
yet got back to me

The Planning Department, are proving helpful, and have *said* that there
would be no problems, but have charged me GBP 32 for an official answer to
my question about Change of Use Planning permission which I fully expect to
get.

posted to uk.legal.moderated and uk.d-i-y

If it was and is a private road, surely the costs associated with the
services provision are with the owners?

An obvious question. Why do the services need to be removed or
disconnected anyway? It''s not as though your neighbours, in planting
their brassicas are going to dig them up.....

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:01:38 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:

snip

There are *redundant* Gas, Electricity and Water Services along the length
of the road, once used by the factory. I have contacted the companies in
charge of the *physical* networks.

The gas supplier Northern Gas Networks/United Utilities are Quoting GBP
1073.95 to disconnect the 4 inch main. Is this legal? Because as I see
it is just maintenance of their network? I have never had any advantage

Ask them what right they have to be present on the land.

In very general terms, utility companies usually never bothered with
wayleaves or easements for services crossing land that were wholly under
the ownership of the person to whom supply was being given, like the owner
of the factory, IYSWIM. In other words, if the person who wanted the supply
wouldn't give permission for the service to cross their land, they didn't
get a supply!

If, by some slight chance they've got a wayleave, that's determinable if
you give them notice. They've got to remove the equipment at the end of the
notice period, unless they can demonstrate they have a need for the
equipment to remain in situ, when they could apply for a compulsory
wayleave. As they're prepared to remove it at your expense, it seems like
that's not the case.

If they've got a permanent easement, then you're stuffed. Pay up!

--
the dot wanderer at tesco dot net

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:29:41 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:

|!On 2007-04-25 14:01:38 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
said:
|!
|! I am buying an old access road to a Factory to turn it into garden, and
|! distribute sections to the neighbours. It is far more complicated than
|! that. :-( It is IMO far better to have the locals owning the land rather
|! than an absentee landlord. A small amount of Fly Tipping has occurred.
|!
|! There are *redundant* Gas, Electricity and Water Services along the length
|! of the road, once used by the factory. I have contacted the companies in
|! charge of the *physical* networks.
|!
|! The gas supplier Northern Gas Networks/United Utilities are Quoting GBP
|! 1073.95 to disconnect the 4 inch main. Is this legal? Because as I see
|! it is just maintenance of their network? I have never had any advantage
|!
|! The Electricity YEDL supplier, on the other hand, are offering to remove
|! the cable "at YEDL cost"
|!
|! Cutting off the water is just a matter of turning off an existing tap next
|! to the existing meter, so I for see no problems. Yorkshire water have not
|! yet got back to me
|!
|! The Planning Department, are proving helpful, and have *said* that there
|! would be no problems, but have charged me GBP 32 for an official answer to
|! my question about Change of Use Planning permission which I fully expect to
|! get.
|!
|! posted to uk.legal.moderated and uk.d-i-y
|!
|!If it was and is a private road, surely the costs associated with the
|!services provision are with the owners?
|!
|!An obvious question. Why do the services need to be removed or
|!disconnected anyway? It''s not as though your neighbours, in planting
|!their brassicas are going to dig them up.....

I will excavate my bit about 3 ft deep to build a garage.
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"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
...
I am buying an old access road to a Factory to turn it into garden, and
distribute sections to the neighbours. It is far more complicated than
that. :-( It is IMO far better to have the locals owning the land rather
than an absentee landlord. A small amount of Fly Tipping has occurred.

There are *redundant* Gas, Electricity and Water Services along the length
of the road, once used by the factory. I have contacted the companies in
charge of the *physical* networks.

The gas supplier Northern Gas Networks/United Utilities are Quoting GBP
1073.95 to disconnect the 4 inch main. Is this legal? Because as I see
it is just maintenance of their network?

It is not maintenance, as there is no fault with the network. They need to
dig a hole, disconnect a large pipe, make it safe and make good the hole. If
the disconnection is on the public highway, they probably need to make good
in two stages, in order to achieve the minimum standards required. The price
seems quite fair for the work involved.

The Electricity YEDL supplier, on the other hand, are offering to remove
the cable "at YEDL cost"

Copper cable is worth money.

Colin Bignell

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:01:38 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:

posted to uk.legal.moderated and uk.d-i-y

Presumably multiple-posted, since AIUI it automatically gets rejected from
a moderated group if it's cross-posted to an unmoderated one - ?

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:08:45 GMT, John Stumbles
wrote:

|!On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:01:38 +0100, Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|!
|! posted to uk.legal.moderated and uk.d-i-y
|!
|!Presumably multiple-posted, since AIUI it automatically gets rejected from
|!a moderated group if it's cross-posted to an unmoderated one - ?

If for any reason the moderated group rejects something, it does not appear
in the unmoderated groups.
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