Hi all.
I have a wide bay window that I want to fit
radiator(s) to.
The room size (12' x 14' x 10'height) requires 7560 btu but thats not
factoring in the gas fire.
The window sill is 54cm above the floor.
The bay (not rounded) measurements are about 70cm x 115cm x 70cm (full width
2.25m)

The Myson web site infers that its possible.
There is a web site http://www.radiatorfactory.co.uk/ are
telling us it can be done for a handsome price.

Any of you got experience of this?

thanks,

Arthur

51 wrote:

I have a wide bay window that I want to fit radiator(s) to.
The room size (12' x 14' x 10'height) requires 7560 btu but thats not
factoring in the gas fire.
The window sill is 54cm above the floor.
The bay (not rounded) measurements are about 70cm x 115cm x 70cm (full
width 2.25m)

The Myson web site infers that its possible.
There is a web site http://www.radiatorfactory.co.uk/ are
telling us it can be done for a handsome price.

A bay window is a window built with several sides; a bow window is one
window build with a curve.

You can fit a series of smaller ones in either to get around awkward
shapes.

But why fit a radiator in a window?

You would be heating the outer wall of the building. Even if well
insulated, it would be more sensible to have it on an inside wall. And
it would be nearer the boiler too I imagine.

On 2006-11-12 11:46:20 +0000, "51" said:

Hi all.
I have a wide bay window that I want to fit
radiator(s) to.
The room size (12' x 14' x 10'height) requires 7560 btu but thats not
factoring in the gas fire.
The window sill is 54cm above the floor.
The bay (not rounded) measurements are about 70cm x 115cm x 70cm (full
width 2.25m)

The Myson web site infers that its possible.
There is a web site http://www.radiatorfactory.co.uk/ are
telling us it can be done for a handsome price.

Any of you got experience of this?

thanks,

Arthur

I've looked at it.

Myson certainly do do customised radiators but they are very expensive
- I would be surprised if it were less than £1k for something like this.

In a house that I had some years ago, there was a bay window with
angles where we looked at sourcing a radiator to fit. I couldn't find
a price under £1500 and that was early 1980s.

In the end, I found a radiator type where there was one in the range
that fitted the centre section pretty much exactly. I then found two
others that fitted the sides. I butted them fairly close together
and joined them at the bottom and top using chromed male to copper
fittings (no valves) and short lengths of 22mm chromed tube bent to the
required angle.

I was a little concerned about water flow and heat distribution among
the three radiators but it worked well - there was no perceivable
difference between the three in terms of temperature, although measured
it was about 3 degrees between equivalent places at each end radiator.

Visually, it was acceptably OK and not really noticable compared with a
single radiator.

In article , 51 panggaspams51@
btinternet.com writes
Hi all.
I have a wide bay window that I want to fit
radiator(s) to.
The room size (12' x 14' x 10'height) requires 7560 btu but thats not
factoring in the gas fire.
The window sill is 54cm above the floor.
The bay (not rounded) measurements are about 70cm x 115cm x 70cm (full width
2.25m)

The Myson web site infers that its possible.
There is a web site http://www.radiatorfactory.co.uk/ are
telling us it can be done for a handsome price.

Any of you got experience of this?

I've stayed in a place that had one and it had been done very neatly by cut
and shut, done by an old hand type plumber who did it as a bit of a
speciality (it was a while ago). No idea of price but it scared me a bit that it
was a non-standard solution wrt maintainability.

I realise you have limited space but in a similar situation I have
compensated for the window loss with a small single convector in the
middle of the window and heated the main part of the room separately. A
TRV on the window rad stops it getting too hot there when the curtains are
drawn.
--
fred
Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla

On 12 Nov 2006 03:59:26 -0800, Weatherlawyer wrote:

But why fit a radiator in a window?

You would be heating the outer wall of the building. Even if well
insulated, it would be more sensible to have it on an inside wall. And
it would be nearer the boiler too I imagine.

Normal wisdom is that a radiator elsewhere in the room starts rapid
convection around the room. Hot air rises from the rad to the ceiling,
air is cooled and sinks by the window. This then sets up a nice cold
draft across the floor...

My experience shows that this does happen in the real world.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

In article ,
"51" writes:
Hi all.
I have a wide bay window that I want to fit
radiator(s) to.
The room size (12' x 14' x 10'height) requires 7560 btu but thats not
factoring in the gas fire.
The window sill is 54cm above the floor.
The bay (not rounded) measurements are about 70cm x 115cm x 70cm (full width
2.25m)

The Myson web site infers that its possible.
There is a web site http://www.radiatorfactory.co.uk/ are
telling us it can be done for a handsome price.

Any of you got experience of this?

Apparently, the couriers will do it for free if you get one
mail order. The snag is you can't specify in advance exactly
where you want the bends.

--
Andrew Gabriel

fred wrote:
In article , 51 panggaspams51@
btinternet.com writes
Hi all.
I have a wide bay window that I want to fit
radiator(s) to.
The room size (12' x 14' x 10'height) requires 7560 btu but thats not
factoring in the gas fire.
The window sill is 54cm above the floor.
The bay (not rounded) measurements are about 70cm x 115cm x 70cm (full width
2.25m)

The Myson web site infers that its possible.
There is a web site http://www.radiatorfactory.co.uk/ are
telling us it can be done for a handsome price.

Any of you got experience of this?

I've stayed in a place that had one and it had been done very neatly by cut
and shut, done by an old hand type plumber who did it as a bit of a
speciality (it was a while ago). No idea of price but it scared me a bit that it
was a non-standard solution wrt maintainability.

I realise you have limited space but in a similar situation I have
compensated for the window loss with a small single convector in the
middle of the window and heated the main part of the room separately. A
TRV on the window rad stops it getting too hot there when the curtains are
drawn.

All a radiator is, is a container through which hot water flows with a
large surface area.

There are many ways to achieve this short of buying a custom built jobbie.

Line the walls with insulation, lay some UFH pipe in there and plaster
over it?

Get a load of copper pipe, bend it to shape and make parallel bars,
joint it all up with T connectors..and get it chromed at an electro-platers?

Get a scrap car door and seal it carefully, spray it up in magenta, and
fit pipes to it. Get an award for design. Better still get some electrc
fans and the front and rad. off a 1910 rolls royce complete with lady
and chrome.


The mind boggles.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:58:44 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:



Get a scrap car door and seal it carefully, spray it up in magenta, and
fit pipes to it. Get an award for design. Better still get some electrc
fans and the front and rad. off a 1910 rolls royce complete with lady
and chrome.


Ah, you've been to the Guggenheim haven't you .


The mind boggles.

It boggled mine.

DG

In article , The Natural
Philosopher writes

All a radiator is, is a container through which hot water flows with a
large surface area.

There are many ways to achieve this short of buying a custom built jobbie.

Line the walls with insulation, lay some UFH pipe in there and plaster
over it?

Get a load of copper pipe, bend it to shape and make parallel bars,
joint it all up with T connectors..and get it chromed at an electro-platers?

Get a scrap car door and seal it carefully, spray it up in magenta, and
fit pipes to it. Get an award for design. Better still get some electrc
fans and the front and rad. off a 1910 rolls royce complete with lady
and chrome.

. . . and the point you were making was :-?
--
fred
Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla

On 12 Nov 2006 03:59:26 -0800 someone who may be "Weatherlawyer"
wrote this:-

But why fit a radiator in a window?

To avoid cold draughts caused by the mechanism already outlined.
This is not such a problem if the building has more than single
glazing.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

"51" wrote in message
...
Hi all.
I have a wide bay window that I want to fit
radiator(s) to.
The room size (12' x 14' x 10'height) requires 7560 btu but thats not
factoring in the gas fire.
The window sill is 54cm above the floor.
The bay (not rounded) measurements are about 70cm x 115cm x 70cm (full
width 2.25m)

The Myson web site infers that its possible.
There is a web site http://www.radiatorfactory.co.uk/ are
telling us it can be done for a handsome price.

Any of you got experience of this?

thanks,

Arthur



I don't know where you are geographically, but about 15 years ago I
purchased two such radiators from http://www.ashfordheating.com (in
Stanwell, near Heathrow)

I dropped in a template of the bays (lining paper and sellotape), and a few
days later picked up the rads.

Basically they were standard "Warmastyle" round top rads which had been cut
(top and bottom - on the outward face), bent, welded and repainted.

I don't recall it being expensive, and it was a competent job.

David

Vortex wrote:
"51" wrote in message
...

Hi all.
I have a wide bay window that I want to fit
radiator(s) to.
The room size (12' x 14' x 10'height) requires 7560 btu but thats not
factoring in the gas fire.
The window sill is 54cm above the floor.
The bay (not rounded) measurements are about 70cm x 115cm x 70cm (full
width 2.25m)

The Myson web site infers that its possible.
There is a web site http://www.radiatorfactory.co.uk/ are
telling us it can be done for a handsome price.


I don't know where you are geographically, but about 15 years ago I
purchased two such radiators from http://www.ashfordheating.com (in
Stanwell, near Heathrow)

I dropped in a template of the bays (lining paper and sellotape), and a few
days later picked up the rads.

Basically they were standard "Warmastyle" round top rads which had been cut
(top and bottom - on the outward face), bent, welded and repainted.

I don't recall it being expensive, and it was a competent job.

David


a local car welder should be able to do that for a small fraction of
1500. And respray it for you. Just check they leak test it before you
get it back


NT

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:42:41 -0000 someone who may be "Vortex"
wrote this:-

Basically they were standard "Warmastyle" round top rads which had been cut
(top and bottom - on the outward face), bent, welded and repainted.

I don't recall it being expensive, and it was a competent job.

A house that used to be in the family had a double panel radiator
which had been modified in much the same way, with an angled bit at
each end in order to fit into a bay window. Certainly a neat and
competent job which lasted for 30 odd years between installation and
the time the house was sold.

The alternative of using three radiators, which has been outlined by
another poster, is another way of doing much the same thing by DIY.
However, with increased insulation such things are less necessary in
many houses.

In a house currently in the family the two bow windows have single
panel radiators, which have been rolled to the correct radius.
Obviously they don't have convector fins on the back. I assume there
are still places capable of rolling things into curves. They look
rather pleasing, just as the bay window radiator did, because they
are obviously made specially for the job.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:42:41 -0000 someone who may be "Vortex"
wrote this:-

Basically they were standard "Warmastyle" round top rads which had been
cut
(top and bottom - on the outward face), bent, welded and repainted.

I don't recall it being expensive, and it was a competent job.

A house that used to be in the family had a double panel radiator
which had been modified in much the same way, with an angled bit at
each end in order to fit into a bay window. Certainly a neat and
competent job which lasted for 30 odd years between installation and
the time the house was sold.

The alternative of using three radiators, which has been outlined by
another poster, is another way of doing much the same thing by DIY.
However, with increased insulation such things are less necessary in
many houses.

In a house currently in the family the two bow windows have single
panel radiators, which have been rolled to the correct radius.
Obviously they don't have convector fins on the back. I assume there
are still places capable of rolling things into curves. They look
rather pleasing, just as the bay window radiator did, because they
are obviously made specially for the job.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54


Arthur

Look at

/www.plumbingpages.com/featurepages/Bendandcurve.cfm

Also

I recently had a 80 inch (old money) curved by a firm in north london (Ace
Engineering), suprisingly it only cost £42.00 + vat. This firm also bends
rads by cutting and rewelding. My rad was only with them for 48 hours and
came back in the required shape and resprayed. All from a template made from
lining paper.

Worth trying you local metalwork/engineering firms.

Alec

"Alho" wrote in message
...

"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:42:41 -0000 someone who may be "Vortex"
wrote this:-

Basically they were standard "Warmastyle" round top rads which had been
cut
(top and bottom - on the outward face), bent, welded and repainted.

I don't recall it being expensive, and it was a competent job.

A house that used to be in the family had a double panel radiator
which had been modified in much the same way, with an angled bit at
each end in order to fit into a bay window. Certainly a neat and
competent job which lasted for 30 odd years between installation and
the time the house was sold.

The alternative of using three radiators, which has been outlined by
another poster, is another way of doing much the same thing by DIY.
However, with increased insulation such things are less necessary in
many houses.

In a house currently in the family the two bow windows have single
panel radiators, which have been rolled to the correct radius.
Obviously they don't have convector fins on the back. I assume there
are still places capable of rolling things into curves. They look
rather pleasing, just as the bay window radiator did, because they
are obviously made specially for the job.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54


Arthur

Look at

/www.plumbingpages.com/featurepages/Bendandcurve.cfm

Also

I recently had a 80 inch (old money) curved by a firm in north london (Ace
Engineering), suprisingly it only cost £42.00 + vat. This firm also bends
rads by cutting and rewelding. My rad was only with them for 48 hours and
came back in the required shape and resprayed. All from a template made
from lining paper.

Worth trying you local metalwork/engineering firms.

Alec

Not a bad idea.

A

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2006-11-12 11:46:20 +0000, "51" said:

Hi all.
I have a wide bay window that I want to fit
radiator(s) to.
The room size (12' x 14' x 10'height) requires 7560 btu but thats not
factoring in the gas fire.
The window sill is 54cm above the floor.
The bay (not rounded) measurements are about 70cm x 115cm x 70cm (full
width 2.25m)

The Myson web site infers that its possible.
There is a web site http://www.radiatorfactory.co.uk/ are
telling us it can be done for a handsome price.

Any of you got experience of this?

thanks,

Arthur

I've looked at it.

Myson certainly do do customised radiators but they are very expensive - I
would be surprised if it were less than £1k for something like this.

In a house that I had some years ago, there was a bay window with angles
where we looked at sourcing a radiator to fit. I couldn't find a price
under £1500 and that was early 1980s.

In the end, I found a radiator type where there was one in the range that
fitted the centre section pretty much exactly. I then found two others
that fitted the sides. I butted them fairly close together and joined
them at the bottom and top using chromed male to copper fittings (no
valves) and short lengths of 22mm chromed tube bent to the required angle.

I was a little concerned about water flow and heat distribution among the
three radiators but it worked well - there was no perceivable difference
between the three in terms of temperature, although measured it was about
3 degrees between equivalent places at each end radiator.

Visually, it was acceptably OK and not really noticable compared with a
single radiator.



What was the length of the distance between the rads when complete?
I would assume 5" to be the minumum practical width bearing in mind the
difficulty of bending a short length of chrome pipe to such an angle.

Arthur

On 2006-11-20 23:22:08 +0000, "51" said:

What was the length of the distance between the rads when complete?
I would assume 5" to be the minumum practical width bearing in mind the
difficulty of bending a short length of chrome pipe to such an angle.

Arthur

It was a long time ago, but IIRC, the gap was around 100mm.

The pipe was initially cut longer for bending and then cut to the
correct length.